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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2024 11:30:18 GMT 1
Winchester and Shipley two of the last remnants of the Cotterill team, which for all its faults was filled with leaders and players taking responsibility, it felt like they were playing for each other and for the fans - whether that was Leahy, Pennington, Bennett, Dunkley, Shipley, Udoh, Marosi etc.
Sadly the connection and identity are missing this season, because the senior players just aren’t good enough to be raising standards and driving the team forward, and the younger players don’t have the environment to prosper. It’s a mess of a squad.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 11:33:25 GMT 1
That performance today was as bad as it gets IMO. There was absolutely no quality from anybody, but there was also a lack of heart and desire which really is unacceptable. It didn’t feel as though we were in control of the game at any point today. We were so bad in possession. I was expecting a period of sustained pressure in the second half, but it never came. And neither did any chances. this is not true Tom came on and played like a wizard on the wing, he put a ball across many times , including for shipley wise open to head in and he missed , we score what I though was a good goal, Savins kicking was superb, the defending was sloppy in the first half, hoole was slow to everything, Nsiala was even slower, again like most of the season corners or crosses from the right side of our defence were popped into an empty goal at the back post, there have been games this season where the effort could be described as , as bad as it gets but yesterday wasnt one on them for most players |
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Post by jontifree on Nov 3, 2024 11:34:18 GMT 1
At least it would give us a shot at survival - the status quo isn’t working. Even Hurst knows that much of the responsibility lies at his door. Some manager out there might just relish the fight to survive, proving his worth in the process. I don’t see any fight in Hurst it could more like give us a good shot at massive financial problems ps did you go yesterday ? If the figures I have seen are true then it might just be worth the gamble to sack Hurst and bring in somebody who can hopefully get some fight out of this lot. League One teams receive £1,322,200 from the EFL & Premier League combined League Two teams receive £902,000 A difference of £420,200 So even if we had to pay Hurst £200,000 (highly unlikely it's anything close to that) and DID survive we would still be over £200k better off. Whatever is done (or not done) is a gamble but I just cannot see us surviving under Hurst. |
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Post by lancsman on Nov 3, 2024 11:37:05 GMT 1
When they equalised my next thought was their next goal will be soon. Every game is the same.
Asad state of affairs.
It won’t change until Hurst goes.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 11:37:55 GMT 1
damn trains, approaching crewe it was announced only the front 2 coaches would be heading for shrewsbury, so another mad scramble for a seat, oh well another long day in the history of following the town we were poor first half, we livened up 2nd half but just couldn't put the final ball away, mostly from not connecting with it, again a goal ruled out for a dodgy looking offside, would like to see it again , I can handle losing to lower league opposition in the cup, its what the cup is all about, when its the other way around its fantastic but not to be today, next week however is a must win, hoping they dont have a new manager in place by then ( thats Burton ) ;-) Hurst report was more critical of the team, especially the disappointing ineffective 2nd half. Fans are disappointed because the teams got a 16% win ratio since Hurst arrived. With Burton being a ‘must win’ game what should happen if we don’t? if we dont beat Burton we can all go on about how fantastically run their club is and what could have been  |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 11:41:35 GMT 1
Winchester and Shipley two of the last remnants of the Cotterill team, which for all its faults was filled with leaders and players taking responsibility, it felt like they were playing for each other and for the fans - whether that was Leahy, Pennington, Bennett, Dunkley, Shipley, Udoh, Marosi etc. Sadly the connection and identity are missing this season, because the senior players just aren’t good enough to be raising standards and driving the team forward, and the younger players don’t have the environment to prosper. It’s a mess of a squad. # The Weekly Im going fishing for bites about Cotterill on the match thread  |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 11:47:12 GMT 1
it could more like give us a good shot at massive financial problems ps did you go yesterday ? If the figures I have seen are true then it might just be worth the gamble to sack Hurst and bring in somebody who can hopefully get some fight out of this lot. League One teams receive £1,322,200 from the EFL & Premier League combined League Two teams receive £902,000 A difference of £420,200 So even if we had to pay Hurst £200,000 (highly unlikely it's anything close to that) and DID survive we would still be over £200k better off. Whatever is done (or not done) is a gamble but I just cannot see us surviving under Hurst. hurst has well over 2 years left, how much do you think he's on a week ? seeing we are over budget this season, what kind of mess will we be in if we blow a massive chunk of next seasons budget on a new manager who might take us down anyway and who do you think wants to jump in a buy the club during all this ? |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 11:50:12 GMT 1
When they equalised my next thought was their next goal will be soon. Every game is the same. Asad state of affairs. It won’t change until Hurst goes. never mind, had Lloyd popped in his 1 on 1 right after it was 2-1, and then his goal stood you might instead have been calling us jammy barstewards like you have done in the past after a win |
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Post by DiglisShrew on Nov 3, 2024 11:58:12 GMT 1
If the figures I have seen are true then it might just be worth the gamble to sack Hurst and bring in somebody who can hopefully get some fight out of this lot. League One teams receive £1,322,200 from the EFL & Premier League combined League Two teams receive £902,000 A difference of £420,200 So even if we had to pay Hurst £200,000 (highly unlikely it's anything close to that) and DID survive we would still be over £200k better off. Whatever is done (or not done) is a gamble but I just cannot see us surviving under Hurst. hurst has well over 2 years left, how much do you think he's on a week ? seeing we are over budget this season, what kind of mess will we be in if we blow a massive chunk of next seasons budget on a new manager who might take us down anyway and who do you think wants to jump in a buy the club during all this ? Are you telling me that our Chairman gave Hurst a 3 year contract ?? If so , I’m genuinely shocked but hopefully he will have included performance related clauses to minimise costs of compensation should he be sacked for failing to achieve them . |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 12:11:51 GMT 1
hurst has well over 2 years left, how much do you think he's on a week ? seeing we are over budget this season, what kind of mess will we be in if we blow a massive chunk of next seasons budget on a new manager who might take us down anyway and who do you think wants to jump in a buy the club during all this ? Are you telling me that our Chairman gave Hurst a 3 year contract ?? If so , I’m genuinely shocked but hopefully he will have included performance related clauses to minimise costs of compensation should he be sacked for failing to achieve them . im pretty sure the club mentioned it somewhere, dont forget you'll need to pay doig off too and then find a new manager who can work with our team and team of coaches ( are they part of the problem too ? ) and then all we need is for the new manager who is now seriously over budget to turn Nsiala & Pierre into world beaters what happens if the new manager takes us down this season ? just pay him off and start again ? this is all a big ask of the one guy you want out of our club ASAP if not earlier but hey the fans know best eg lets widen the pitch lets widen the pitch lets widen the pitch so all our players can be on their knees after 60 mins gasping for breath ;-) |
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Post by kenwood on Nov 3, 2024 12:27:42 GMT 1
Let’s widen the pitch so our players can be on their knees after 60 mins gasping for breath ?
You’ve got that wrong.
It’s so that our players can be nearer our fans to hear the abuse shouted at them.
What’s the point of shouting “ Shipley your s**te “ when he can’t hear you!
Always here to help.👍
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Post by chirkshrew on Nov 3, 2024 12:37:48 GMT 1
Widening the pitch was a good idea....until we assembled one of the worst squad of players I've seen since 73/74....no effort,no desire,can't be bothered,can't pass or trap a ball,no leader.....shall I go on???!!!!......as the song goes,or nearly....."we're on the road to nowhere"
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Post by jontifree on Nov 3, 2024 12:51:41 GMT 1
Length of his contract (or clauses contained within) have not been disclosed just a statement from Hurst last season saying "..it's beyond the end of the season..."
As I said, it is a gamble to sack him and bring someone new in as that may not work either. To not replace him does seem like just accepting the inevitable.
I know you like playing devils advocate (and I do enjoy watching the fallout occasionally) but what would you do? The current situation clearly isn't working. The players themselves do have to take a large chunk of the blame but Hurst just does not appear to be able to motivate them.
There doesn't seem to be any sort of togetherness, rather there seems to be an acceptance that we turn up, we lose, we go home. Something has to change.
The constant shuffling of the pack by Hurst reminds me of the final days of Micky Mellon.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 13:06:09 GMT 1
Length of his contract (or clauses contained within) have not been disclosed just a statement from Hurst last season saying "..it's beyond the end of the season..." As I said, it is a gamble to sack him and bring someone new in as that may not work either. To not replace him does seem like just accepting the inevitable. I know you like playing devils advocate (and I do enjoy watching the fallout occasionally) but what would you do? The current situation clearly isn't working. The players themselves do have to take a large chunk of the blame but Hurst just does not appear to be able to motivate them. There doesn't seem to be any sort of togetherness, rather there seems to be an acceptance that we turn up, we lose, we go home. Something has to change. The constant shuffling of the pack by Hurst reminds me of the final days of Micky Mellon. unless I dreamt it im sure Liam mentioned it was 3 years at one of the online meetings, apologies if im wrong, I remember thinking does that mean it unusually ends in January 27, or is it June 26 or June 27, thus 2.5 or 3.5 years |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 3, 2024 13:12:38 GMT 1
Just maybe it's not Hurst out we need, it's an on the pitch leader to enforce Hurst's plans during the game.
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Post by chirkshrew on Nov 3, 2024 13:14:50 GMT 1
I'll hold my hands up and say I wanted Hurst back,and thought he would knock the players into shape,and get them fit,no problem....alas,I was very wrong..... honestly,we need to go back to the basics very quickly....the players can't pass a ball from A to B for a start,they can't control a ball properly....all basic things you need to do in football.would a change of manager be any use,with this squad of players we've got....would a new manager get a tune out of them....I doubt it very much,with what I'm seeing.... they're all at national league north level imho🤦🤷
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 13:39:01 GMT 1
Just maybe it's not Hurst out we need, it's an on the pitch leader to enforce Hurst's plans during the game. the lack of a strong captain is something quite relevant, some of the top managers over the years have giving it to a young player and its been a hit not sure we've even got one of those either worthy at the moment though, we dont really have a player in the side than sure of starting one game to the next, the manager really is in a pickle with his side |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2024 13:39:58 GMT 1
Winchester and Shipley two of the last remnants of the Cotterill team, which for all its faults was filled with leaders and players taking responsibility, it felt like they were playing for each other and for the fans - whether that was Leahy, Pennington, Bennett, Dunkley, Shipley, Udoh, Marosi etc. Sadly the connection and identity are missing this season, because the senior players just aren’t good enough to be raising standards and driving the team forward, and the younger players don’t have the environment to prosper. It’s a mess of a squad. # The Weekly Im going fishing for bites about Cotterill on the match thread Do you not think that the current team is lacking leadership? Both on and off the pitch? |
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Post by Pilch on Nov 3, 2024 13:42:56 GMT 1
# The Weekly Im going fishing for bites about Cotterill on the match thread Do you not think that the current team is lacking leadership? Both on and off the pitch? read the post I literally posted as you were busy questioning me about what I was typing about ;-) |
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Post by Exkeeper on Nov 3, 2024 13:46:59 GMT 1
What good will sacking Hurst do? Waste more money (which we don’t have) new manger would then be needed…. who would be interested given the budget and also the fact we are a club in the process of being sold. Like everyone I’m annoyed by the results and fed up, but at the same time realistically what good would changing the manager now do? People thinking managers like Pearson,Lowe etc would want to come here are way off the mark. If we are close to a takeover happening then I agree it's pointless sacking Hurst. However that's the big question, are we close or just going through the standard "looking for investment", if its the latter then we can't stick with Hurst until a takeover happens because how long will it be? If we were to sack him then clearly we aren't going to be attracting big names in our position but when do we anyway? I've got no doubt that there would still be a lot of interest and there may be someone out there who can get the team fit, organised and actually showing some passion I am sure that if I was an out of work football manager, I would be aware of any club fighting (or just accepting) relegation and I would be on the phone to Mr Wycherley promoting my self by saying “I can save you - how much have I got to spend?” End of conversation as the phone is slammed down. |
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Post by stainesr on Nov 3, 2024 13:53:18 GMT 1
I'll hold my hands up and say I wanted Hurst back,and thought he would knock the players into shape,and get them fit,no problem....alas,I was very wrong..... honestly,we need to go back to the basics very quickly....the players can't pass a ball from A to B for a start,they can't control a ball properly....all basic things you need to do in football.would a change of manager be any use,with this squad of players we've got....would a new manager get a tune out of them....I doubt it very much,with what I'm seeing.... they're all at national league north level imho🤦🤷 I wanted him in too. I think it's an interesting point about fitness. We recruited and signed so late compared with other clubs that Hurst got no time to work with players in pre season and get them up to speed. Resulted in low fitness levels for the low standard players we have signed and the shambles we see today. I can't say I'm thrilled with Hurst's management at the moment but everyone could see this season was heading for a disaster with all the rubbish that they came out with during the summer. Relying on loan and out of contract players to get us through was never going to work. I just wonder how long Hurst can take this, many managers would have walked at this point - he's had no backing from the chairman and senior management financially. As I have said previously, I think Roland wants the club to get relegated because he would rather stay in charge. He would rather continue to run the place with a shoestring budget than do the right thing and sell up. League Two football suits him because he hasn't got the stomach or the contacts to fund a League One club. I have heard rumours about some of the ridiculous riders he put on a deal with the last consortium that came along, maybe we will get lucky and a decent buyer will come along who happens to have an Aries star sign (that's why he signed Grant Holt). So in conclusion my verdict is Hurst stay and do your best until the deal is done, and please Roland say goodbye and thanks for building a great stadium and excellent training facilities, it's a tremendous achievement but times have changed. As for Moore...I have several four letter words that will get censored by the website, please just go and take your hopeless signings with you. |
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Post by jontifree on Nov 3, 2024 13:54:30 GMT 1
Length of his contract (or clauses contained within) have not been disclosed just a statement from Hurst last season saying "..it's beyond the end of the season..." As I said, it is a gamble to sack him and bring someone new in as that may not work either. To not replace him does seem like just accepting the inevitable. I know you like playing devils advocate (and I do enjoy watching the fallout occasionally) but what would you do? The current situation clearly isn't working. The players themselves do have to take a large chunk of the blame but Hurst just does not appear to be able to motivate them. There doesn't seem to be any sort of togetherness, rather there seems to be an acceptance that we turn up, we lose, we go home. Something has to change. The constant shuffling of the pack by Hurst reminds me of the final days of Micky Mellon. unless I dreamt it im sure Liam mentioned it was 3 years at one of the online meetings, apologies if im wrong, I remember thinking does that mean it unusually ends in January 27, or is it June 26 or June 27, thus 2.5 or 3.5 years You may be right although hopefully not. I’m just going on what I’ve read. I would hope that there are performance clauses in the contract allowing us a get out at a reduced settlement figure. We may have to wait until we hit the threshold for these to be triggered (points/league position by date or after set number of games). In the scenario where he is contracted until the end of this season, what would you do? Of course we don’t have to sack Doig. He might fancy a go himself or he may choose to leave if Hurst is dispatched. |
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Post by Exkeeper on Nov 3, 2024 14:12:18 GMT 1
No team containing Benning, Ojo and Toto is giving me what I wanted. If you are playing with a flat back four. Nurse must start on the mleft and someone of the right side who doesn’t get turned inside out every time a winger attacks him. Whenever Toto starts, you automatically know you will need to score at least two to have a chance. Ojo is like a 24 handicap golfer on the greens, he has no idea of “touch” as every pass is either over hit or under hit. He is not good enough to play for STFC. Vale fans are laughing at us relieving them of some surplus rubbish. None of us are happy with Hurst be we know the only viable alternative would be Mickey Moore so be careful what you wish for. Ojo looks like a non-league player, but for some reason he seems to be the first name on the team sheet every week. I’d take Winchester, Rossiter, Perry and Shipley in the middle before him. Doesn’t seem to offer anything other than a simple passing game which includes loads of misplaced passes and poor touches. My take as to why he is the first name on the sheet is that Hurst knows him from Sc***horpe, a club that was in turmoil at a seriously lower level and anyone who could put his boots on the correct feet would stand out. |
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Post by pughywasfree on Nov 3, 2024 14:17:34 GMT 1
If the figures I have seen are true then it might just be worth the gamble to sack Hurst and bring in somebody who can hopefully get some fight out of this lot. League One teams receive £1,322,200 from the EFL & Premier League combined League Two teams receive £902,000 A difference of £420,200 So even if we had to pay Hurst £200,000 (highly unlikely it's anything close to that) and DID survive we would still be over £200k better off. Whatever is done (or not done) is a gamble but I just cannot see us surviving under Hurst. hurst has well over 2 years left, how much do you think he's on a week ? seeing we are over budget this season, what kind of mess will we be in if we blow a massive chunk of next seasons budget on a new manager who might take us down anyway and who do you think wants to jump in a buy the club during all this ? Where have you seen the contract length? |
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Post by pughywasfree on Nov 3, 2024 14:24:09 GMT 1
I'll hold my hands up and say I wanted Hurst back,and thought he would knock the players into shape,and get them fit,no problem....alas,I was very wrong..... honestly,we need to go back to the basics very quickly....the players can't pass a ball from A to B for a start,they can't control a ball properly....all basic things you need to do in football.would a change of manager be any use,with this squad of players we've got....would a new manager get a tune out of them....I doubt it very much,with what I'm seeing.... they're all at national league north level imho🤦🤷 Sorry but that's simply not true. Some of our football this season has been up there with the best I have seen from a town team. If it wasn't for some p**s poor finishing and terrible mistakes at the back we would be well up the table. We have gone toe to toe with some decent teams and creates several great chances each games. Performances have tailored off in the last couple of games now heads are starting to drop but to suggest we are that useless is wrong imo. Midfielders/wingers have not been the issue this season, its what has happened in front and behind them! |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Nov 3, 2024 14:33:04 GMT 1
I'll hold my hands up and say I wanted Hurst back,and thought he would knock the players into shape,and get them fit,no problem....alas,I was very wrong..... honestly,we need to go back to the basics very quickly....the players can't pass a ball from A to B for a start,they can't control a ball properly....all basic things you need to do in football.would a change of manager be any use,with this squad of players we've got....would a new manager get a tune out of them....I doubt it very much,with what I'm seeing.... they're all at national league north level imho🤦🤷 Sorry but that's simply not true. Some of our football this season has been up there with the best I have seen from a town team. If it wasn't for some p**s poor finishing and terrible mistakes at the back we would be well up the table. We have gone toe to toe with some decent teams and creates several great chances each games. Performances have tailored off in the last couple of games now heads are starting to drop but to suggest we are that useless is wrong imo. Midfielders/wingers have not been the issue this season, its what has happened in front and behind them! Yeah when you put it like that it not so bad, if we could defend or score goals then we would higher up the league. |
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Post by Bordershrew on Nov 3, 2024 14:36:09 GMT 1
hurst has well over 2 years left, how much do you think he's on a week ? seeing we are over budget this season, what kind of mess will we be in if we blow a massive chunk of next seasons budget on a new manager who might take us down anyway and who do you think wants to jump in a buy the club during all this ? Where have you seen the contract length? 2.5 years the DoF told me at Brackley |
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Post by gtismygod on Nov 3, 2024 14:48:07 GMT 1
That performance today was as bad as it gets IMO. There was absolutely no quality from anybody, but there was also a lack of heart and desire which really is unacceptable. It didn’t feel as though we were in control of the game at any point today. We were so bad in possession. I was expecting a period of sustained pressure in the second half, but it never came. And neither did any chances. this is not true Tom came on and played like a wizard on the wing, he put a ball across many times , including for shipley wise open to head in and he missed , we score what I though was a good goal, Savins kicking was superb, the defending was sloppy in the first half, hoole was slow to everything, Nsiala was even slower, again like most of the season corners or crosses from the right side of our defence were popped into an empty goal at the back post, there have been games this season where the effort could be described as , as bad as it gets but yesterday wasnt one on them for most players Completely disagree. It was in the top five worst Town performances I’ve ever seen. Whilst Bloxham was probably the best of an awful bunch yesterday, to say he played like a wizard is a stretch to say the least. I think he dug out two decent crosses and won a corner, but that was about it. Shipley could not have headed it in from that angle, I was right in line with it. He did the right thing in laying it off for Castledine whose shot was blocked. You were no doubt in the seats so wouldn’t really have been able to see. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 3, 2024 14:49:08 GMT 1
It's a shame Bennett's past it...
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Post by gtismygod on Nov 3, 2024 14:49:26 GMT 1
I'll hold my hands up and say I wanted Hurst back,and thought he would knock the players into shape,and get them fit,no problem....alas,I was very wrong..... honestly,we need to go back to the basics very quickly....the players can't pass a ball from A to B for a start,they can't control a ball properly....all basic things you need to do in football.would a change of manager be any use,with this squad of players we've got....would a new manager get a tune out of them....I doubt it very much,with what I'm seeing.... they're all at national league north level imho🤦🤷 Sorry but that's simply not true. Some of our football this season has been up there with the best I have seen from a town team. If it wasn't for some p**s poor finishing and terrible mistakes at the back we would be well up the table. We have gone toe to toe with some decent teams and creates several great chances each games. Performances have tailored off in the last couple of games now heads are starting to drop but to suggest we are that useless is wrong imo. Midfielders/wingers have not been the issue this season, its what has happened in front and behind them! Hyperbole from you both. I think the truth is somewhere in between. We’ve played some good stuff in spells of matches, but terrible finishing combined with awful second halves means that it normally counts for nothing. |
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