Beefy
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Post by Beefy on Oct 23, 2024 9:40:53 GMT 1
I’m sorry but I do think that now it’s time for Hurst and Doig to go.
Yes he’s had no money and any manager would probably struggle but he’s just far too defeatist and negative not in his philosophy but in his general demeanour
The comments about not wanting to have a go at 0-2 at home to Exeter in case we lost by 4 or 5 were pathetic.
He comes across as though town fans are deluded to even expect us to compete. He claimed he was even unaware that we had lost 4 out of 6 at home which was very odd.
He’s rarely in the technical area too which isn’t a good look.
He’s turning into another John Askey
Time to roll the dice there is nothing to lose now
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2024 9:47:17 GMT 1
Agree with the sentiment but it’s utterly pointless whilst the ownership is in limbo. The whole club is paralysed for now and we just have to watch it unfold.
Bringing back Hurst could end up being Roland’s last terrible decision.
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Post by belfastshrew on Oct 23, 2024 9:49:31 GMT 1
I agree with Beefy. Surely he would agree to mutual termination with that record...3 wins in 24 competitive games. Then get any freebie coach in. It doesn't really matter who we bring in because we are getting relegated anyway, if they keep us up then thats fab. A free hit for a new coach maybe
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Post by GlosShrew on Oct 23, 2024 9:53:59 GMT 1
Northampton away last January - seems such a long time ago!!!
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 23, 2024 9:54:21 GMT 1
Got no money to sack him, close the thread.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Oct 23, 2024 9:57:25 GMT 1
I agree with Beefy. Surely he would agree to mutual termination with that record...3 wins in 24 competitive games. Then get any freebie coach in. It doesn't really matter who we bring in because we are getting relegated anyway, if they keep us up then thats fab. A free hit for a new coach maybe Why would he agree to a mutual termination? He probably know's he will get sacked in the next few months, either Roland bites the bullet or the new owner does. Either way, he's getting a nice pay off and I don't blame him, he won't get a job in L1 again and suspect not many L2 clubs would be after him either. But with a record of 26 points from a possible 93, there's no doubt the only thing that is saving him is the impending takeover |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2024 9:59:56 GMT 1
I’m sorry but I do think that now it’s time for Hurst and Doig to go. Yes he’s had no money and any manager would probably struggle but he’s just far too defeatist and negative not in his philosophy but in his general demeanour The comments about not wanting to have a go at 0-2 at home to Exeter in case we lost by 4 or 5 were pathetic. He comes across as though town fans are deluded to even expect us to compete. He claimed he was even unaware that we had lost 4 out of 6 at home which was very odd. He’s rarely in the technical area too which isn’t a good look. He’s turning into another John Askey Time to roll the dice there is nothing to lose now As much as I agree he isn't that animated on the side that's his style as manager , each to their own , what do you want ? A manager who runs down the touch line like klopp , a manager who rages and spits in the face of the 4th official and kicks bottles , bit like klopp 🤩 As I've said many times , just follow the light and see where it goes , we have a chairman who wants out , and now you are asking him to find a couple of hundred grand to get rid and find a new manager who will be faced with the choice of nsiala or Pierre , we've just lost 2 games that could have gone either way , ( eg 2 Wins ) imagine had we won both of those and changed the manager , you'd think the chairman was barmy , Roll on Barnsley , a winnable game , likely not to happen , but at least more to moan about 😉 |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 23, 2024 10:01:26 GMT 1
I agree with Beefy. Surely he would agree to mutual termination with that record...3 wins in 24 competitive games. Then get any freebie coach in. It doesn't really matter who we bring in because we are getting relegated anyway, if they keep us up then thats fab. A free hit for a new coach maybe Why would he agree to a mutual termination? He probably know's he will get sacked in the next few months, either Roland bites the bullet or the new owner does. Either way, he's getting a nice pay off and I don't blame him, he won't get a job in L1 again and suspect not many L2 clubs would be after him either. But with a record of 26 points from a possible 93, there's no doubt the only thing that is saving him is the impending takeover Not saying we should sack him but surely we’d have some sort of minimum performance clause in his contract? Hes certainly hit it if we have. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2024 10:06:32 GMT 1
Let hope we win on Saturday and we can concentrate on moaning about things like a random area of the ground instead 🥳🥳🥳
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Post by belfastshrew on Oct 23, 2024 10:06:58 GMT 1
Why would he agree to a mutual termination? He probably know's he will get sacked in the next few months Do we actually know PH's contract? |
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Post by secretshrew on Oct 23, 2024 10:09:06 GMT 1
Whilst his win record is very poor, I don’t think we’re THAT far away from having a decent team.
Get Shipley, Nurse, Feeney x2, Winchester, O Reilly, Sagoe, Rossiter, Castledine in that team with a run of games and keep Nsiala & Pierre away and we won’t be far away. We’re certainly not getting tonked by teams.
Roll on Saturday!
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Post by ProudSalopian on Oct 23, 2024 10:30:17 GMT 1
Let hope we win on Saturday and we can concentrate on moaning about things like a random area of the ground instead 🥳🥳🥳 I thought you'd be happy with this thread, you are normally complaining that Hurst gets a free ride from fans and is immune from criticism |
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Post by thesensationaljt on Oct 23, 2024 10:38:36 GMT 1
I'm not going to defend Hurst, I never wanted him back in the fust place, but we aren't getting much luck at the moment, the old saying comes to mind, "It's a good job we're having bad luck, or we wouldn't have any luck at all".
But if you want to leave Hurst, don't let me stop you.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 23, 2024 10:45:48 GMT 1
Surely the obvious stand in for Hurst when he inevitably gets sacked is for Moore to take over in his role of Director of Football?
That role is there in just this sort of situation where the manager/coach moves on, but the pressure to recruit a new one is less as there is a figure who knows the club set up and transfer policy who can hold the fort
There is obviously a cost to cancelling Hursts contract, but with the form we’re in and a tricky looking November ahead we might well be into sacking season soon
The big unknown of course is whether there is a mystery buyer poised to step in the near future who may see things differently.
My money though would be on Hurst to go before Christmas and Moore to take the first team duties until the end of the season
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2024 10:47:46 GMT 1
Let hope we win on Saturday and we can concentrate on moaning about things like a random area of the ground instead 🥳🥳🥳 I thought you'd be happy with this thread, you are normally complaining that Hurst gets a free ride from fans and is immune from criticism The threads not about me |
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Oct 23, 2024 10:54:10 GMT 1
Surely the obvious stand in for Hurst when he inevitably gets sacked is for Moore to take over in his role of Director of Football? That role is there in just this sort of situation where the manager/coach moves on, but the pressure to recruit a new one is less as there is a figure who knows the club set up and transfer policy who can hold the fort There is obviously a cost to cancelling Hursts contract, but with the form we’re in and a tricky looking November ahead we might well be into sacking season soon The big unknown of course is whether there is a mystery buyer poised to step in the near future who may see things differently. My money though would be on Hurst to go before Christmas and Moore to take the first team duties until the end of the season Would almost be up for this just to see how it goes. I've been really, really disappointed with Hurst this season. While the back end of last season was a long way off perfect, he did what I was expecting of him and hoped he'd do - made us more solid, helped us have a plan and it always felt like we were going to compete in games, especially away from home. That all seems to have largely disappeared this season, and it feels like he's lost any form of bravery. I'd give him a few more games as I never like to see us make a change unless it's necessary, but lose at Burton and I think I'd make a change. |
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Post by suttonshrew on Oct 23, 2024 10:58:09 GMT 1
I have a lot of time for PH and CD and have been lucky enough to speak to them both at length. They want success here just like we do. Personally id say wait until the chairman has found a buyer and we know where we are then, if by some miracle a billionaire appears and wants to chuck £50m at the club then all of a sudden Shrewsbury becomes the place to be. Lurching form Hurst to an unknown like Taylor or Ricketts wont help us in the long term
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Post by mattmw on Oct 23, 2024 11:08:30 GMT 1
Surely the obvious stand in for Hurst when he inevitably gets sacked is for Moore to take over in his role of Director of Football? That role is there in just this sort of situation where the manager/coach moves on, but the pressure to recruit a new one is less as there is a figure who knows the club set up and transfer policy who can hold the fort There is obviously a cost to cancelling Hursts contract, but with the form we’re in and a tricky looking November ahead we might well be into sacking season soon The big unknown of course is whether there is a mystery buyer poised to step in the near future who may see things differently. My money though would be on Hurst to go before Christmas and Moore to take the first team duties until the end of the season Would almost be up for this just to see how it goes. I've been really, really disappointed with Hurst this season. While the back end of last season was a long way off perfect, he did what I was expecting of him and hoped he'd do - made us more solid, helped us have a plan and it always felt like we were going to compete in games, especially away from home. That all seems to have largely disappeared this season, and it feels like he's lost any form of bravery. I'd give him a few more games as I never like to see us make a change unless it's necessary, but lose at Burton and I think I'd make a change. To me the spirit seems to have been knocked out of Hurst. He’s a very different figure to the one who was here in his first spell Don’t think he was ever a tactical genius, but the combination of exceptional fitness and 3-4 really good quality players saw him do well back then Now it’s clear that even with extra training and 13 games done there is no way this squad will get the high level of fitness needed to play that style of football, and without that press and work rate we’re easy fodder for a half decent side to take us apart We don’t have the physicality as a squad to play Peters route one style that got us out of trouble in his initial spell with us, and with the budget we have getting quality possession based players in is unlikely too Think Hurst is experienced to know the games up really, and I’m not sensing much fight left in him. Could well be a mutual parting of the ways for him to go to a lower league club could suit all parties - a bit like when Mellon was allowed to leave |
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Oct 23, 2024 11:19:24 GMT 1
The players aren't good enough and Hurst can only work with what he has.
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Post by johnno on Oct 23, 2024 11:21:05 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2024 11:21:08 GMT 1
You can understand some fans being a bit over-romantic and expecting a dream return, but really the club leadership should’ve looked at it objectively and realised that it was a long shot gamble at best, and idiocy at worst.
I’ll still never get over the statement when he was appointed from Moore claiming we did an exhaustive management search and he recommended Hurst to the chairman. Don’t think anyone was naive or gullible enough to believe that one and couldn’t believe they even came out with it.
That said, as with all managers when at the games I’ll keep supporting them whilst they’re in position.
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Post by iestywfc on Oct 23, 2024 11:52:49 GMT 1
not many options with your current budgetary restraints:
Neal Ardley - So so NL manager
Danny Searle - as above
Andy Crosby - got Vale relegated
Ryan Lowe - return of your star striker but a bit of a renegade and would leave at the drop of a hat
Gareth Ainsworth - loves no budget jobs
Pete Wild - obvious choice IMO
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2024 12:17:29 GMT 1
Let hope we win on Saturday and we can concentrate on moaning about things like a random area of the ground instead 🥳🥳🥳 I thought you'd be happy with this thread, you are normally complaining that Hurst gets a free ride from fans and is immune from criticism And for what it's worth no , even thought I campaigned against having hurst back , he's here and I'll support him to the bitter end , I'm happy to criticise him like I am to any manager , but pay him off for bad results and gamble on someone else , not a chance , that's why our ground doesn't have things like railings , I'd rather have railings in league 2 than listen to moaners at the wrong end of league 1 demanding success |
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Post by Riversider on Oct 23, 2024 12:30:26 GMT 1
Agree with the sentiment but it’s utterly pointless whilst the ownership is in limbo. The whole club is paralysed for now and we just have to watch it unfold. This is exactly my feelings on the situation. Seems zero point sacking a manager, to hire another one, to be taken over and go through it all again. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Oct 23, 2024 12:59:49 GMT 1
No point in sacking hursty.....the players are not good enough.... they're players that have been bought on a lower league 2 budget, simple as,and bringing a new manager in, wouldn't make much difference in my opinion 🤷
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Post by tractorshrew on Oct 23, 2024 13:11:58 GMT 1
I’ve always supported Hurst but I think it’s time for a change before relegation becomes inevitable. I know we can say he hasn’t got the players, but our lack of ability and confidence to score goals points to poor coaching in my opinion.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Oct 23, 2024 13:29:43 GMT 1
Why is eveyrone talking like a takeover is imminent?
Even if there is a buyer it won't happen this season.
If at all.
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EvoTheShrew
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Post by EvoTheShrew on Oct 23, 2024 13:30:47 GMT 1
I don’t see the point.
We are completely unattractive to any potential experienced manager or head coach that would offer any chance of keeping us up.
What is the point in bringing in a rookie into this situation. They would have a 5/10% chance of keeping us up.
The situation we are in is directly driven by decisions that have been taken at the top. If Wycherley is expecting £12m for a club that this time next season will be mid-table League Two fodder then he is delusional.
Here we have a case of someone reaping what they have sown and it will be soon coming home to roost.
If I had £50m to chuck at at football club like ours then I would be waiting until relegation and then stepping in like a messiah to save the club and have a real go at an early promotion from League Two to cement a good relationship with the fan base.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Oct 23, 2024 13:34:44 GMT 1
not many options with your current budgetary restraints: Neal Ardley - So so NL manager Danny Searle - as above Andy Crosby - got Vale relegated Ryan Lowe - return of your star striker but a bit of a renegade and would leave at the drop of a hat Gareth Ainsworth - loves no budget jobs Pete Wild - obvious choice IMO Would be amazed if Lowe was remotely interested in it, would imagine he'll be touting for higher potential L1/lower end Championship. Ainsworth probably the same, and petty as it is I don't think he'd be accepted here after his Wycombe days. Pete Wild would seem like an ok choice in the circumstances. Think it's all hypothetical for now, Hurst isn't going anywhere just yet. |
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 23, 2024 13:35:57 GMT 1
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