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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 31, 2024 21:44:32 GMT 1
Listened on the Radio and it seemed a completely different feeling. Making Feeney captain and bringing in Gilliead proved inspired. I agree , Feeney made a difference as CB, a combination of perry and Gilliead have improved the midfield |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 31, 2024 21:52:06 GMT 1
Big smile on my face which cannot be wiped!! Savin - 6.5 Benning - 7 Feeney - 7 Nsiala - 7 Hooĺe - 7.5 Shipley - 6 Perry - 7.5 Gilliead - 7 Castledine - 7.5 O'Reilly - 7 Lloyd - 7.5 Bloxham - 8 Marquis - 6 im going Savin 7, didnt have a save to make, in fact had nothing to do, but do remember some decent distribution, hoole I'll give 7, shiipley 6.5, kept going to the full 90, put in some decent challenges , Perry 8 worked hard off the ball and made some telling interceptions, gilliead 7.5 fitted in very well, Castledine 8.5 , my man of the match, 100% effort , read the game inside out, a natural, orielly, 6.5. not his best game but did work hard for the opening goal, lloyd 7 , decent game, Bloxham, howler when clean through to start with but more than made up for it 8, marquis, 6.5 , seems to operate well with lloyd whilst on others I agree with |
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 31, 2024 22:12:55 GMT 1
Fantastic result, outstanding performance in the second half.
Gillead looks a good addition next to Perry whose looked so much better in a deeper role than as an attacking mid.
George Lloyd never stopped running and we were first to everything.
Exactly what we needed but two tough games coming up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 22:19:00 GMT 1
On a side note, but how accurate are these match stats? I'm just wondering how a side can get 70% possession and yet lose 3-0 and have 1 shot on target.
By the way just as impressive by the Town XI to limit them to that if true.
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Post by AlisonS on Aug 31, 2024 22:35:36 GMT 1
It has seemed a very long season already since the ko at Stevenage - so how good it feels to end August with such an exhilarating win! Particular mentions to the regularly maligned esp Taylor Perry and Tom Bloxham, who showed what they can bring to the team. The loanees were classy. Off the scoresheet, so slightly eclipsed, but my MOM would be George Lloyd - the lone striker can be a thankless role, and he is not the tallest, but he worked so hard and was a handful all afternoon. Let’s hope we keep the injuries down and can find the right team selections - it might turn out to be a better season than some might think
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Post by pughywasfree on Aug 31, 2024 22:37:55 GMT 1
On a side note, but how accurate are these match stats? I'm just wondering how a side can get 70% possession and yet lose 3-0 and have 1 shot on target. By the way just as impressive by the Town XI to limit them to that if true. Shot stat is correct from memory. They did have a lot of the ball but it was with there defence. They could not get into our box. |
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Post by blueboy48 on Aug 31, 2024 23:05:18 GMT 1
These possession stats can be quite misleading as it includes defenders passing the ball across the backline and then back to the keeper.
In fairness to Orient today they had good possession all the way up to our penalty box but couldn't find any sort of final ball. I give credit to our defence for that with the help of our midfielders.
We had a lot less possession but were more dynamic and took more risks to try to create chances. Its not just about possession but what you do with it.
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Post by edgmond on Aug 31, 2024 23:10:00 GMT 1
Talk about a back handed slap. If you cannot get positive after that performance god help you. Orient are a good team and their performance was very good. We stopped their threats and made their defense look ordinary. Orient were shocking. Very poor side. We took our chances and worked hard. Pleasing signs to see. Good to get that first win and a very convincing one at that. Doesn't change my opinion mind. Here we go again. Damned with faint praise. If a side plays well the pressure will cause mistakes from the opposition. It doesn’t automatically make that opposition a ‘very poor side’. Let’s credit our players for making Orient look relatively poor on the day rather than portraying it as Town vs someone from the lower echelons of non league. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 31, 2024 23:15:25 GMT 1
Just seen the goals. Great 1st from Bloxham, 2nd wasnt too shabby either.
But the opener from Castledine was class and well worked by the other youngster.
Dont think our journeyman would have worked that one tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2024 23:50:33 GMT 1
Orient were shocking. Very poor side. We took our chances and worked hard. Pleasing signs to see. Good to get that first win and a very convincing one at that. Doesn't change my opinion mind. Here we go again. Damned with faint praise. If a side plays well the pressure will cause mistakes from the opposition. It doesn’t automatically make that opposition a ‘very poor side’. Let’s credit our players for making Orient look relatively poor on the day rather than portraying it as Town vs someone from the lower echelons of non league. No no. Orient were shocking. We were excellent. While Boxham still can't defend for LG1 standard (anyone else see Hoole point it out to him who he needed to mark!) he can definitely score goals. No damming praise here. Credit to Hurst to send out a player not working in the system and getting two in, both signings yesterday were amazing and I'm a lot more hopeful of staying up. Still believe we need a change at the top. And win the next 5 and I'd still be saying it. |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 1, 2024 6:41:53 GMT 1
I know people will talk about the link up play between ToR and Leo but the hood up play by Lloyd was impressive. For a little fella he puts himself about
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Post by SamHarvey on Sept 1, 2024 8:01:57 GMT 1
Things always feel so much better after 3 points on a Saturday 😄
Pleased for all involved. A solid game next Saturday, so at least we have a bit of positivity heading into it 👍🏻
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 1, 2024 8:05:31 GMT 1
Just seen the goals. Great 1st from Bloxham, 2nd wasnt too shabby either. But the opener from Castledine was class and well worked by the other youngster. Dont think our journeyman would have worked that one tbh. They were all good well taken goals, that were clinical but my favourite was the first in the way the accurate passing and off the ball movement opened orient up |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 1, 2024 8:07:07 GMT 1
The goals will be a big boost for bloxhams confidence.
I am pleased for him we won't our academy players to improve and progress
I have been critical of him for the same reason other fans are critical of him.
Whilst Hoole had a better game a contributing factor was that he was not put under pressure in the way Peterborough turned him inside out.
A source of concern in the orient game was the huge gaps left on left wing between Bloxham and Hoole, mainly due to Bloxham not tracking back. If there number 3 had been a better player we would have got punished for it. One thing I found irritating was number of times two town players crashed into each other going for the same ball this happened at least four times and a player could have been injured just communicate better and it does not hapoen
At least today we got away with that and we could all leave the ground with a smile on our faces
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2024 8:10:03 GMT 1
Did anyone else see Bloxham kick the ball at beckles right at the end to get a throw in. Gosh he hit that hard... 🤪
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 1, 2024 8:18:19 GMT 1
I know people will talk about the link up play between ToR and Leo but the hood up play by Lloyd was impressive. For a little fella he puts himself about Yes he did a great job he also managed to hold of much bigger defenders whilst holding up the ball for others to get forward |
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Post by darkshrew on Sept 1, 2024 8:18:57 GMT 1
We needed that - so glad we managed to do more than a nervy 1-0
Savin - 6 - deserves a clean sheet; looking the part. Cannot understand the primary school movement of all the players to one side of the pitch when he is going to hoof it long - it doesn't work.
Benning - 6 - much better than midweek and seemed to improve as the match went on - I think he needs a decent covering centre back alongside him. We need to have throw in routines worked out for him.
Feeney - 7 - some important interceptions and tackles, played the captain role well and covered for Nsiala and Benning when needed. I worry when he gets shifted to right back for Wrexham because he really does cover well for the others.
Nsiala - 4 - looked like he was lacking confidence (and mobility) - in the first half he was REALLY not happy to have the ball passed to him along the back. I think lucky that they seemed poor in the final third.
Hooĺe - 6 - some clever interceptions and some decent challenges - overall significantly better performance than midweek. As with Benning, we need throw in routines to keep possession.
Shipley - 6 - started with some feisty nibbles at the opposition and played with heart which usually means that we play better as a team - again too wasteful with freekicks.
Perry - 7 - my MoM; all over the place and did nothing wrong; broke up play well and distributed it well - like having a new player.
Gilliead - 6 - did his job and filled the hole that was Harrison Biggins - some neat touches and covered well; looks promising if he can slot in this easily.
Castledine - 7 - composed finish, battled hard generally and made some nice passes; but what a skillful player when receiving the ball.
O'Reilly - 6 - fantastic ball through to Castledine for the first and generally did well, but very silly booking - Doig needs to give him the hairdryer over that.
Lloyd - 7 - he jumps like a salmon and runs around like he is powered by a Duracell battery - was underwhelmed when I saw him instead of Marquis on the team sheet, but he was really bright and won balls and created for others. Have been wanting him to play behind Marquis in the number 10 role, but couldn't really tell if it will work from the last 10 minutes.
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Bloxham - 7 - the enigma that is Tom Bloxham; which one will we get ? What a finish for the first. If he could recapture the Reading away form from last season he would be one hell of a player.
Marquis - 5 - must be kicking himself not to have been in the starting 11 for that.
Nurse - 5 - nice to see him back.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 1, 2024 9:13:14 GMT 1
On a side note, but how accurate are these match stats? I'm just wondering how a side can get 70% possession and yet lose 3-0 and have 1 shot on target. By the way just as impressive by the Town XI to limit them to that if true. I was thinking the same , in the opening 20 mins that ball was mostly with us and mostly in orients half albeit outside of the box ( I commented on it to scooter sat next to me ) , at a rough guess I thought we had more possession overall than they did , and when they did have it they were doing nothing with it It's a totally misleading stat and at times I think whoever is compiling it fell asleep |
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Post by shrewswolf on Sept 1, 2024 9:23:39 GMT 1
We hardly touched the ball first half, so the possession stats will be right imo.
It’s funny, I’ve watched so, so many bad League One teams over the years, teams who can’t pass, who make horrendous mistakes, ill disciplined, teams who look destined for the drop. Town have been that side themselves on many occasions. Orient don’t come anywhere near that category for me. We limited them to very little for all their possession, and they were definitely a downgrade on Huddersfield & P’boro (but that’s obvious) but they, especially first half, were more than capable and passed the ball around very well.
First 20 minutes felt like the counter attacking set up was working, Orient appeared the better team in the manner of the way both were playing but we, I thought, always looked more likely when we did get forward. Between the goal and half time it felt like it was hanging on for dear life time.
For the second half to be such a contrast was a huge relief. Perry and Gilliead left huge gaps first half as they exploited them being dragged out of position but they steadied the ship after half time and Perry especially was excellent. Not quite as excellent as O’Reilly and Castledine who look the level above everyone else, but even they (or Bloxham, who managed a sub appearance that weakened us massively to begin with but ended with two great goals), don’t get MOM. For me that was Lloyd. He was inspired, pacy, ran channels, won headers, got between defenders, held it up. Just great I thought. Marquis has had an easy ride if you ask me and I’m glad Hurst has seen through his sub standard start to the season. Lloyd deserves a run of games now.
Also shoutout to Nsiala who had his best game so far but so nearly still cost us a couple of times, and Hoole who looked like a proper full back for the first time this season.
Good win.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 1, 2024 9:35:49 GMT 1
im glad Hurst finally took the advice me and exkeeper gave him after the stevenage game ;-) I have said this before and still stand by it. Whatever the question, Bloxham is not the answer. He is not a winger, he is not an out and out striker and he is not a No 10 type of advanced m/f. He is still young and when he is wearing the STFC shirt I wish him well but at present I forsee as spell of bench warming. he tires so quickly, but does have the occasional burst of speed, I think he could make a useful super sub when most legs are a bit weary but he's not a starter for me |
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 1, 2024 9:37:20 GMT 1
On a side note, but how accurate are these match stats? I'm just wondering how a side can get 70% possession and yet lose 3-0 and have 1 shot on target. By the way just as impressive by the Town XI to limit them to that if true. I was thinking the same , in the opening 20 mins that ball was mostly with us and mostly in orients half albeit outside of the box ( I commented on it to scooter sat next to me ) , at a rough guess I thought we had more possession overall than they did , and when they did have it they were doing nothing with it It's a totally misleading stat and at times I think whoever is compiling it fell asleep I always wondered how they measure it. Only thing I can think of is somebody is there watching with 2 buttons in front of them  Edit: I thought i'd look it up. So it turns out it doesnt actually account for how much of the ball you have, the stat is dictated by the amount of times a player receives the ball. So a passing team can have the ball for less amount of time but because they pass it around the back a few times the stat looks more in their favour. Pretty useless stat tbh. analyisport.com/insights/how-is-the-possession-stat-calculated-in-football/#:~:text=%27%20They%20define%20a%20possession%20as,create%20percentages%20for%20each%20team. "Possession Measured as Time on the Ball The most basic way of measuring possession is by recording the amount of time that each team has control of the ball during the match. Control here is used in a broad sense. The ball is generally considered to be in the control of the team to have most recently touched it, regardless of the type of touch. This way of measuring is simple and only requires somebody watching the game with a couple of stopwatches, manually recording when possession changes. When the ball is out of play, the clock is stopped for both teams. It is a method which is easy to understand. There are, however, major flaws to it. One major issue is that this method does not measure the extent to which players are actually in control of the ball. A desperate long clearance from a defender that results in the ball being up in the air for several seconds before dropping to an opponent can count for the same amount of possession as a few quick short passes around the midfield. The amount of control a team has over the ball clearly differs in these two examples, but the old basic way of measuring possession does not factor this in. How Opta Measure Possession Analysts developed another method based on the number of passes. If in a game there was a total of 800 passes made by both teams, one team making 480 and the other 320, then the first team was deemed to have had 60% possession. This was the method that the analysts at Opta used until 2017. It gives more of a sense of which team was controlling the ball than relying on time, but there are flaws to it. It does not include types of possession such as dribbling or knocking the ball past an opponent to run on to it. Since 2017, Opta has used a new metric, based not on the number of passes but the number of ‘possessions.’ They define a possession as starting when a player takes a controlled touch of the ball and ending when he no longer has control due to an event such as an interception or a shot. The number of possessions in a game is then added together to create percentages for each team. Opta send a three-man team to each game they cover. The team apply the possession criteria to judge the extent to which touches are controlled. Their data is used by the BBC, BT Sport, Sky Sports and the Premier League, making it the possession stat you are most likely to see." |
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Post by wakemanender on Sept 1, 2024 9:40:23 GMT 1
Orient manager said that it was their worst performance in the two and half years he had been there. Very poor team and hopefully there are others of a similar standard who will finish below us. A lot will depend on how we look after our young loan stars. It's a long season for them.
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Post by pughywasfree on Sept 1, 2024 9:54:31 GMT 1
Orient clearly had quality in there side but they looked devoid of confidence (we should know how that feels after the last few years). They got into good positions but looked to offload the ball backwards when they had the opportunity to cross or run at someone. Same with the midfield who as soon as they got the ball would look for a defender to pass it to. Hurst spoke about us doing the same thing on a few occasions last season.
The most positive thing for me was that we looked the complete opposite despite the worst start possible to the campaign.
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Post by camdenshrew on Sept 1, 2024 10:03:15 GMT 1
Well done Salop. I really didn't expect that.
The link-up play between Castledine and O'Reilly was excellent. I also hope Bloxham can kick on from here and use his goals and their example as a motivation. I'm still not convinced he is a right winger and would like to see him use his height and play down the centre now and again. Perhaps he could chop and change with Lloyd as games progress?
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Post by Pilch on Sept 1, 2024 10:11:19 GMT 1
Orient were shocking. Very poor side. We took our chances and worked hard. Pleasing signs to see. Good to get that first win and a very convincing one at that. Doesn't change my opinion mind. Here we go again. Damned with faint praise. If a side plays well the pressure will cause mistakes from the opposition. It doesn’t automatically make that opposition a ‘very poor side’. Let’s credit our players for making Orient look relatively poor on the day rather than portraying it as Town vs someone from the lower echelons of non league. exactly, I had the debate this week about the final game of last season, we lost 3-1, awful result but it wasnt the full story, I still think we were the better side, but some fans just take the result and base their opinion on the game on just that, yesterday 3-0, I mean what a hammering ? except it wasnt, up until 82 mins when tom as good as put the game to bed I felt they were growing into the game and that dreaded equaliser was coming, for once we got everything spot on and beat the side who won away to Millwall in the week, so far they have lost away to Charlton and home to brum & bolton, they also beat Newport 4-1 in the league cup, they have just had a tough start like we have |
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Post by darkshrew on Sept 1, 2024 10:22:31 GMT 1
im glad Hurst finally took the advice me and exkeeper gave him after the stevenage game ;-) he tires so quickly, but does have the occasional burst of speed, I think he could make a useful super sub when most legs are a bit weary but he's not a starter for me David Fairclough is the only role Bloxham can hope to play, O’Reilly will always be ahead of him on the team sheet. |
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Post by jontifree on Sept 1, 2024 10:33:59 GMT 1
Bloxham's first was obviously a stonker but his second goal really pleased me with the composure he showed. Maybe having that first one took away some of the fear of having a shot but he still could have blasted it or looked for the pass, so to see him confidently slot it past the keeper was a great moment.
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Post by flixo84 on Sept 1, 2024 10:53:16 GMT 1
I know people will talk about the link up play between ToR and Leo but the hood up play by Lloyd was impressive. For a little fella he puts himself about I thought Lloyd was really impressive yesterday, also pleased to see another strong performance from Perry. |
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Post by cabanas2017 on Sept 1, 2024 12:36:45 GMT 1
On a side note, but how accurate are these match stats? I'm just wondering how a side can get 70% possession and yet lose 3-0 and have 1 shot on target. By the way just as impressive by the Town XI to limit them to that if true. I was thinking the same , in the opening 20 mins that ball was mostly with us and mostly in orients half albeit outside of the box ( I commented on it to scooter sat next to me ) , at a rough guess I thought we had more possession overall than they did , and when they did have it they were doing nothing with it It's a totally misleading stat and at times I think whoever is compiling it fell asleep Exactly what I thought as well. A more accurate is the possession in the opponents 18 yard box |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2024 13:03:37 GMT 1
Yes agree when you see 70% you naturally assume the team was dominant but its not the case if the ball was with the defenders as I suspected.
Seemed a very exciting game on the radio with the crowd acting as a 12th man.
Well done again, the Meadow should be a hard place to come to.
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