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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 21, 2024 11:56:55 GMT 1
Mmmm things don't look great do they. I hate being beaten by my kids at anything and the youngest of them is 40!!!! I got used to it a long time ago, my eldest is into board games and shows no mercy to her elders |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 21, 2024 12:01:36 GMT 1
Don’t worry lads, Micky’s on the case. We’ve loaned out some of the academy to tier 11, and he’s now busy preparing to distance himself from the signings just like he did when Taylor was under pressure last night we pumped aimless crosses towards the back post,. where the smallest guy on the pitch was waiting ( orielly ). the guy who is one of the best ive seen for years with the ball at his feet,. but obviously not an ariel threat at least twice last night we had a guy through on goal who instead of shooting , took a srange option to send the ball wide we had kayode on the bench who was a handful last tuesday in the air , as he was saturday when he came on , albeit out of position on the wing seems to me , we had the tools last night to complete a simple task but the guy in charge of them hadnt set them up correctly buy hey you concentrate on your cheap shots at micky moore and the chairman , its all you do, its really helpful too Tacticaly it was a bit of a mess, Fulham played from the back, they were good on the ball , town did not press hard enough and when we did press it was inconsistent, they were given far to much time on the ball and we allowed them to play to there strengths and did not alter our tactics |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 21, 2024 12:03:01 GMT 1
Not the most pressing issue but how in earth can the attendance be given as 1,206 when there are very clearly about 400 people at the game. ]I thought the same thing when I heard the announcement. |
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 21, 2024 12:19:21 GMT 1
Not the most pressing issue but how in earth can the attendance be given as 1,206 when there are very clearly about 400 people at the game. ]I thought the same thing when I heard the announcement. Cant see any club overstating attendance (tax and VAT implications) they usually understate them. Must admit I did count the away attendance and got to high 20’s then they announced 100+. Fact is we’d have given them between 50 and 100 as complimentary (for players, staff and sponsors) which will have been counted in attendance even if not used. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 21, 2024 12:20:45 GMT 1
]I thought the same thing when I heard the announcement. Cant see any club overstating attendance (tax and VAT implications) they usually understate them. Must admit I did count the away attendance and got to high 20’s then they announced 100+. Fact is we’d have given them between 50 and 100 as complimentary (for players, staff and sponsors) which will have been counted in attendance even if not used. Thanks for explaining that |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 12:22:58 GMT 1
An attendance of around 1200 would suggest that the Wycherley stand was about half full, and it clearly fails the basic eyesight test on that, all blocks looked a third full at best.
I expect we lost money putting that show on last night, it’s high time the competition was put to bed or significantly changed.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 12:43:30 GMT 1
maybe consider the chairman is desperare to sell , and isnt putting any more extra cash into the club, one reason being he wont get it back , there other is there is no thanks for doing so, he might think there is a better chance of selling when the club goes down and has a large debt, that seems to be the time most clubs sell, so fasten your seatbelts and hang on 😶 Why won’t he get his money back ? I’m sure the money being introduced by him will be in the form of loans interest free or otherwise and repayable as part of any sale ? There again you usually know more than most so maybe he has been making gifts instead . fact is we've always been such a well run club , along came the 3 big C's Covid , Cotterill & Caldwell , all helped blow our rainy day funds and now unfortunately its started raining he only stands a remote chance of getting that money back if hes putting it in himself interest free and keeping the club out of debt, that clearly isn't going to happen , no one wants to pay the going rate, so hes already losing out I believe from now on that isn't going to happen, we are going to use commercial loans to pay off bills, we are now entering the world of rollercoaster football debt like all the other clubs, the club will get devalued, the longer it goes on the less the chairman gets, the quicker it happens the buyer knows it will cost them more money to take over and run the club, catch 22 but telling him to sell is the most pointless waste of time, I can imagine RW every time he reads "he needs to sell". goes into Basil Fawlty mode and shouts "im trying to sell"  |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 12:50:01 GMT 1
Not the most pressing issue but how in earth can the attendance be given as 1,206 when there are very clearly about 400 people at the game. before I made my prediction yesterday of 1,232, I looked at the tickets sold and counted about 900, that didnt include sov members, away fans, or complimentary tickets , prize winners, or player comps (home & away) , or anyone who turned up and bought one at the ticket office always nice to have a conspiracy though |
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Post by DiglisShrew on Aug 21, 2024 12:55:20 GMT 1
Why won’t he get his money back ? I’m sure the money being introduced by him will be in the form of loans interest free or otherwise and repayable as part of any sale ? There again you usually know more than most so maybe he has been making gifts instead . fact is we've always been such a well run club , along came the 3 big C's Covid , Cotterill & Caldwell , all helped blow our rainy day funds and now unfortunately its started raining he only stands a remote chance of getting that money back if hes putting it in himself interest free and keeping the club out of debt, that clearly isn't going to happen , no one wants to pay the going rate, so hes already losing out I believe from now on that isn't going to happen, we are going to use commercial loans to pay off bills, we are now entering the world of rollercoaster football debt like all the other clubs, the club will get devalued, the longer it goes on the less the chairman gets, the quicker it happens the buyer knows it will cost them more money to take over and run the club, catch 22 but telling him to sell is the most pointless waste of time, I can imagine RW every time he reads "he needs to sell". goes into Basil Fawlty mode and shouts "im trying to sell" The “going rate” is what someone is prepared to pay but often a compromise. There seems to be lots of comments (including from you ? ) that the sellers price is £10m - perhaps that’s what a putting off buyers 🤔 Of the three “C”s he did appoint two of them but I’ll let him off the Covid epidemic!! 😉 |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 21, 2024 12:56:13 GMT 1
An attendance of around 1200 would suggest that the Wycherley stand was about half full, and it clearly fails the basic eyesight test on that, all blocks looked a third full at best. I expect we lost money putting that show on last night, it’s high time the competition was put to bed or significantly changed. There's money to be made in this competition, I think someone posted earlier what the EFL pay out, it's certainly worth being in. Plus, Nurse, Feeney, Winchester, etc. may well be reintroduced after injury with a run out in this competition and it gives the contracted players and loanees a chance to measure up against top class I21s |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 12:56:44 GMT 1
fact is we've always been such a well run club , along came the 3 big C's Covid , Cotterill & Caldwell , all helped blow our rainy day funds and now unfortunately its started raining he only stands a remote chance of getting that money back if hes putting it in himself interest free and keeping the club out of debt, that clearly isn't going to happen , no one wants to pay the going rate, so hes already losing out I believe from now on that isn't going to happen, we are going to use commercial loans to pay off bills, we are now entering the world of rollercoaster football debt like all the other clubs, the club will get devalued, the longer it goes on the less the chairman gets, the quicker it happens the buyer knows it will cost them more money to take over and run the club, catch 22 but telling him to sell is the most pointless waste of time, I can imagine RW every time he reads "he needs to sell". goes into Basil Fawlty mode and shouts "im trying to sell" The “going rate” is what someone is prepared to pay but often a compromise. There seems to be lots of comments (including from you ? ) that the sellers price is £10m - perhaps that’s what a putting off buyers 🤔 Of the three “C”s he did appoint two of them but I’ll let him off the Covid epidemic!! 😉 The Covid epidemic that every club from Premier League to pub league all had to contend with, and most seem to be cracking on. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 13:02:23 GMT 1
The “going rate” is what someone is prepared to pay but often a compromise. There seems to be lots of comments (including from you ? ) that the sellers price is £10m - perhaps that’s what a putting off buyers 🤔 Of the three “C”s he did appoint two of them but I’ll let him off the Covid epidemic!! 😉 The Covid epidemic that every club from Premier League to pub league all had to contend with, and most seem to be cracking on. they didnt have 2 other C's though did they |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 13:06:51 GMT 1
Yeah, just listened to Hurst's post match interview. He's talking about the basics being all wrong, he is talking about one or two players heads starting to drop already and there doesn't seem to be any reinforcements heading our way anytime soon. Four games in, 10 goals conceded, three defeats (one of which was against a side playing two centre backs aged 17 apparently), the one draw (at home to League Two side) and no wins. After Posh Hurst was talking about each game being a cup final, that's what he deems is the situation we find ourselves in. What a mess.  If he can sort this mess out then I think you could argue it would be a bigger achievement than reaching the play off final. The injury update I hope is not as bad as feared otherwise it will become even more of a mountain to climb. Both Feeney's out, plus Nurse, Rossiter and possibly Winchester sidelined? And we are only in August. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 21, 2024 13:12:47 GMT 1
An attendance of around 1200 would suggest that the Wycherley stand was about half full, and it clearly fails the basic eyesight test on that, all blocks looked a third full at best. I expect we lost money putting that show on last night, it’s high time the competition was put to bed or significantly changed. There's money to be made in this competition, I think someone posted earlier what the EFL pay out, it's certainly worth being in. Plus, Nurse, Feeney, Winchester, etc. may well be reintroduced after injury with a run out in this competition and it gives the contracted players and loanees a chance to measure up against top class I21s The other big plus you didnt mention, a chance to see if there are any suitable young loanees to try and entice here the next time the transfer window opens. |
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 21, 2024 13:14:31 GMT 1
Not the most pressing issue but how in earth can the attendance be given as 1,206 when there are very clearly about 400 people at the game. before I made my prediction yesterday of 1,232, I looked at the tickets sold and counted about 900, that didnt include sov members, away fans, or complimentary tickets , prize winners, or player comps (home & away) , or anyone who turned up and bought one at the ticket office always nice to have a conspiracy though Coincidentally 1232 is the figure for the lowest League Home attendance by STFC v. Charlton during power cut era |
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Post by WATR on Aug 21, 2024 13:26:44 GMT 1
Not the most pressing issue but how in earth can the attendance be given as 1,206 when there are very clearly about 400 people at the game. before I made my prediction yesterday of 1,232, I looked at the tickets sold and counted about 900, that didnt include sov members, away fans, or complimentary tickets , prize winners, or player comps (home & away) , or anyone who turned up and bought one at the ticket office always nice to have a conspiracy though How is it a conspiracy? It’s incredibly obvious that stand wasn’t even close to half full. When I looked before the game, swathes of block 2 were “sold”, yet they appear to be deserted watching the highlights. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2024 13:41:02 GMT 1
Not the most pressing issue but how in earth can the attendance be given as 1,206 when there are very clearly about 400 people at the game. before I made my prediction yesterday of 1,232, I looked at the tickets sold and counted about 900, that didnt include sov members, away fans, or complimentary tickets , prize winners, or player comps (home & away) , or anyone who turned up and bought one at the ticket office always nice to have a conspiracy though That's the problem with the club there always is! The little girls, the stories coming out about players and then CEO's etc. Always start in the sovereign suite don't they... 😉 |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 13:46:50 GMT 1
before I made my prediction yesterday of 1,232, I looked at the tickets sold and counted about 900, that didnt include sov members, away fans, or complimentary tickets , prize winners, or player comps (home & away) , or anyone who turned up and bought one at the ticket office always nice to have a conspiracy though That's the problem with the club there always is! The little girls, the stories coming out about players and then CEO's etc. Always start in the sovereign suite don't they... 😉 wtf are you on about ? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 13:50:49 GMT 1
before I made my prediction yesterday of 1,232, I looked at the tickets sold and counted about 900, that didnt include sov members, away fans, or complimentary tickets , prize winners, or player comps (home & away) , or anyone who turned up and bought one at the ticket office always nice to have a conspiracy though How is it a conspiracy? It’s incredibly obvious that stand wasn’t even close to half full. When I looked before the game, swathes of block 2 were “sold”, yet they appear to be deserted watching the highlights. it wouldn't be half full, its holds closer to 2800 than 2400, like I said, I counted about 900 sold in the afternoon, not counting the sov suite, where most will have stayed in the bar watching it on the tv why would the club invent extra sales when they would have to give the opposition more money and pay more tax ? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 21, 2024 14:00:08 GMT 1
There's money to be made in this competition, I think someone posted earlier what the EFL pay out, it's certainly worth being in. Plus, Nurse, Feeney, Winchester, etc. may well be reintroduced after injury with a run out in this competition and it gives the contracted players and loanees a chance to measure up against top class I21s The other big plus you didnt mention, a chance to see if there are any suitable young loanees to try and entice here the next time the transfer window opens. Another plus, get a nice evening and new lads and dads turn up for a cheap night out in the holidays. If the team put on a good show, they might come back for a full price match... |
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Post by WATR on Aug 21, 2024 14:35:28 GMT 1
How is it a conspiracy? It’s incredibly obvious that stand wasn’t even close to half full. When I looked before the game, swathes of block 2 were “sold”, yet they appear to be deserted watching the highlights. it wouldn't be half full, its holds closer to 2800 than 2400, like I said, I counted about 900 sold in the afternoon, not counting the sov suite, where most will have stayed in the bar watching it on the tv why would the club invent extra sales when they would have to give the opposition more money and pay more tax ? Artificially inflated with unused freebies to look more attractive to sponsors would be my guess. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 14:37:07 GMT 1
it wouldn't be half full, its holds closer to 2800 than 2400, like I said, I counted about 900 sold in the afternoon, not counting the sov suite, where most will have stayed in the bar watching it on the tv why would the club invent extra sales when they would have to give the opposition more money and pay more tax ? Artificially inflated with unused freebies to look more attractive to sponsors would be my guess. oh, I get you, bit like every other club then |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 21, 2024 14:46:05 GMT 1
The Covid epidemic that every club from Premier League to pub league all had to contend with, and most seem to be cracking on. they didnt have 2 other C's though did they Ironically, those two C's, when taken on, looked like two of the best appointments Roland had ever made. A top Scottish CEO and a manager who had been where we wanted to be, the Championship.
Was anyone against either appointment when they were made?
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 21, 2024 16:44:56 GMT 1
Not the most pressing issue but how in earth can the attendance be given as 1,206 when there are very clearly about 400 people at the game. before I made my prediction yesterday of 1,232, I looked at the tickets sold and counted about 900, that didnt include sov members, away fans, or complimentary tickets , prize winners, or player comps (home & away) , or anyone who turned up and bought one at the ticket office always nice to have a conspiracy though Complimentary (inc. players comps both sides and any other give aways) show as sold on the system, they all have a seat allocated to them……….. |
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 21, 2024 16:47:56 GMT 1
before I made my prediction yesterday of 1,232, I looked at the tickets sold and counted about 900, that didnt include sov members, away fans, or complimentary tickets , prize winners, or player comps (home & away) , or anyone who turned up and bought one at the ticket office always nice to have a conspiracy though How is it a conspiracy? It’s incredibly obvious that stand wasn’t even close to half full. When I looked before the game, swathes of block 2 were “sold”, yet they appear to be deserted watching the highlights. Reserved for the comps….. 👍 |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 16:49:12 GMT 1
before I made my prediction yesterday of 1,232, I looked at the tickets sold and counted about 900, that didnt include sov members, away fans, or complimentary tickets , prize winners, or player comps (home & away) , or anyone who turned up and bought one at the ticket office always nice to have a conspiracy though Complimentary (inc. players comps both sides and any other give aways) show as sold on the system, they all have a seat allocated to them……….. exactly, the whole of block 3 & 4 were unavailable yesterday, I didnt count them as I stated, add those to the 900ish we sold from 1,2,5,6,7 and you get around 1200 |
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 21, 2024 19:26:43 GMT 1
Not the most pressing issue but how in earth can the attendance be given as 1,206 when there are very clearly about 400 people at the game. I thought this, absolutely farcical to claim 1,200, you’d find more populous places if you were dumped in the middle of the Sahara desert |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 22:01:32 GMT 1
Not the most pressing issue but how in earth can the attendance be given as 1,206 when there are very clearly about 400 people at the game. I thought this, absolutely farcical to claim 1,200, you’d find more populous places if you were dumped in the middle of the Sahara desert maybe its because thats how tmany ickets were sold or taken up all clubs do it, used to be funny when arsenal sold out and the ground was half empty not sure why you are complaining, according to Kieran Maguire the football finance expert the biggest reason is to satisfy potential buyers when they do their due diligence and want to see what the average gate is, he mentioned a game at Brighton ( his club ) the ground is hard to get to and public transport was on strike, the game had been moved for tv, it was a sell out and he reckons less than half turned up and there was a big laugh when the sell out attendance was announced |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 4, 2024 16:02:03 GMT 1
meanwhile Barnsley lost at home to kids having led 2-0 Wycombe along with Udoh & Leahy lost to league 2 opposition bristol rovers lost on pens to kids crawley lost to kids other sides lost to kids too in the early days of this comp, us and other sides used to brush the kids aside the gap is getting wider, or shorter in the case of the kids v league 1 & 2 I wonder how many others are having tantrums tonight last night saw 5 league sides taking on under 21 sides 2 managed a draw 3 lost |
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