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Post by shrewswolf on Aug 20, 2024 23:11:36 GMT 1
I did try and tell people that Hoole was third or fourth choice at Bristol Rovers. It didn’t exactly bode well.
I’m sure Moore on In The Stiffs alluded to us throwing more money at his signing than originally intended as well. Dear oh dear from all involved!
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Post by SamHarvey on Aug 20, 2024 23:15:56 GMT 1
meanwhile Barnsley lost at home to kids having led 2-0 Wycombe along with Udoh & Leahy lost to league 2 opposition bristol rovers lost on pens to kids crawley lost to kids other sides lost to kids too in the early days of this comp, us and other sides used to brush the kids aside the gap is getting wider, or shorter in the case of the kids v league 1 & 2 I wonder how many others are having tantrums tonight  its only a game , dry your eyes and move on, just huddersfield away next I predict no meltdowns for ages and then 3 come along at once ;-) night night , sleep tight , shall I leave the light on for you ;-) Barnsley were in the play offs last season, after spending time in the championship, and will likely be there again this season. Wycombe have had a number of good seasons, have been making encouraging signings and are under new ownership with money to spend. Crawley are on the back of an unexpected promotion, and have won 2 from 2 in the league. It’s no wonder they’re probably not bothered. Not exactly comparable to us. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 20, 2024 23:26:22 GMT 1
Looking to the positives. Another 90 minutes under the belt and playing together, hopefully that puts us in better stead looking ahead to the weekend. Other than that, O'Reilly is decent enough (as we already know) and Sagoe Jr looked good at times too.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 20, 2024 23:56:48 GMT 1
I remember when Jake King took the reins at the Gay Meadow. He raided his old club Telford for his first signings and a respected Coach said to me, “if you sign too many players from the Conference, you will end up playing in the Conference. I think that still applies now - sign enough from Bargain basement and you Wii end up playing at their level! Would have been interesting taking our place this season in the LOI....😀 |
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Post by WATR on Aug 21, 2024 6:44:46 GMT 1
Not the most pressing issue but how in earth can the attendance be given as 1,206 when there are very clearly about 400 people at the game.
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Post by pughywasfree on Aug 21, 2024 6:55:02 GMT 1
21 shots, 1 goal. Some very poor finishing tonight. We should have won that very comfortably. Once again positives to take but losing 2-1 to a bunch of teenagers just adds to the worry. Enlighten me on the positives, because that last sentence in your comment kind of sums things up. Pierre looked very sharp Savin's distribution was great again, one throw put Sagoe clean through Saved a pen which will boost Savin's confidence Biggins was a lot more involved than I have seen him be recently with some positive play and decent interceptions, hopefully we are beginning to see what he is about. We actually had a pattern of play that created space Sagoe Jr was brilliant and a constant threat, his link up play with Benning improved a lot throughout the match O'Reilly looked hungry and made a fair few chances out of nothing (when was the last time we had a player like that) We made a bucket load of chances Savin had bugger all to do most of the night (one horribly deflected goal and the other goal was the only time in the night our defence got took apart) The players had another game to gel and to increase fitness levels. Obviously there are also negatives but it was an irrelevant game after a poor start to the season so I think it would be more beneficial to focus on the positivise. |
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Post by darkshrew on Aug 21, 2024 7:09:41 GMT 1
Savin - 6 - saved a penalty, scuffed a few kicks but generally looked ok
Hoole - 4 - run ragged by their winger and looked tired - worried we have no cover for him
Nsiala - 5 - much better than Saturday, but he and Pierre were too easily beaten
Pierre - 5 - was ok individiaully but as a pair he and Nsiala were exposed too often
Benning - 5 - linked up well a few times with Sagoe, but looked tired; don't think he deserved that booking
Winchester - 5 - worrying groin injury after running around and breaking up play as usual
O'Reilly - 6 - usual trickery and looked a constant threat when he had the ball; actually had a couple of shots (none on target)
Biggins - 5 - his best game for us so far and some decent corners, but caught in possession too often
Shipley - 5 - better when he came onto the wing, wasted corner and didn't take control as he can
Sagoe - 6 - didn't touch the ball in the first 20 minutes but really came into the game and was disappointed he came off as his running at them caused them real problems
Lloyd - 5 - did ok but playing as a lone striker is not a role that will ever work - he needs to be in just behind a target man (not along side)
Perry - 5 - actually did really well when he came on - no errors and closed down well
Kayode - 5 - playing alongside Lloyd doesn't work - he is a target man who can knock it down to Lloyd - he had the beating of their defence in the air yet we played it to him in the air only twice
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 7:18:35 GMT 1
meanwhile Barnsley lost at home to kids having led 2-0 Wycombe along with Udoh & Leahy lost to league 2 opposition bristol rovers lost on pens to kids crawley lost to kids other sides lost to kids too in the early days of this comp, us and other sides used to brush the kids aside the gap is getting wider, or shorter in the case of the kids v league 1 & 2 I wonder how many others are having tantrums tonight its only a game , dry your eyes and move on, just huddersfield away next I predict no meltdowns for ages and then 3 come along at once ;-) night night , sleep tight , shall I leave the light on for you ;-) Barnsley were in the play offs last season, after spending time in the championship, and will likely be there again this season. Wycombe have had a number of good seasons, have been making encouraging signings and are under new ownership with money to spend. Crawley are on the back of an unexpected promotion, and have won 2 from 2 in the league. It’s no wonder they’re probably not bothered. Not exactly comparable to us. Oh they weren't bothered , I didn't realise that , we didn't look bothered either |
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Post by pughywasfree on Aug 21, 2024 8:08:44 GMT 1
Anyone feeling a bit low this morning don't bother watching PH interview.
He only expects 1 more addition. The fact we do not have the budget for another loan player on top is worrying.
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Post by SamHarvey on Aug 21, 2024 8:24:57 GMT 1
Anyone feeling a bit low this morning don't bother watching PH interview. He only expects 1 more addition. The fact we do not have the budget for another loan player on top is worrying. I know. Wasn’t that a depressing listen this morning 😅🤦🏻♂️ |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 21, 2024 8:59:49 GMT 1
Yeah, just listened to Hurst's post match interview. He's talking about the basics being all wrong, he is talking about one or two players heads starting to drop already and there doesn't seem to be any reinforcements heading our way anytime soon. Four games in, 10 goals conceded, three defeats (one of which was against a side playing two centre backs aged 17 apparently), the one draw (at home to League Two side) and no wins. After Posh Hurst was talking about each game being a cup final, that's what he deems is the situation we find ourselves in. What a mess.  If he can sort this mess out then I think you could argue it would be a bigger achievement than reaching the play off final. |
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Post by gtismygod on Aug 21, 2024 9:00:58 GMT 1
Wow, one more addition. Truly incredible. Nine seasons battling away for our status in this division has culminated in this.
A threadbare squad of over the hill journeymen and youngsters who don’t look up to it. We wouldn't even be able to compete in League Two with this budget.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Aug 21, 2024 9:15:40 GMT 1
I fail to see how there aren't funds to at least get another RB and CB in. I appreciate the finances the last few seasons were dire but this squad was put together on a shoestring, Shipley is the only high earner remaining, ticket prices were increased - if we're making a financial loss with this squad... what is the point?
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Post by blamber on Aug 21, 2024 9:19:34 GMT 1
Wow, one more addition. Truly incredible. Nine seasons battling away for our status in this division has culminated in this. A threadbare squad of over the hill journeymen and youngsters who don’t look up to it. We wouldn't even be able to compete in League Two with this budget. Is our budget much reduced from last season? Moore told us at the start of last season that the playing budget wasn't any different from the season before. With apparently just one more to come in and our largely bargain basement squad with points to prove, it must be the lowest budget in the league by some margin. |
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Post by gtismygod on Aug 21, 2024 9:21:23 GMT 1
I fail to see how there aren't funds to at least get another RB and CB in. I appreciate the finances the last few seasons were dire but this squad was put together on a shoestring, Shipley is the only high earner remaining, ticket prices were increased - if we're making a financial loss with this squad... what is the point? It’s remarkable. Again, we couldn’t fill the bench last night. And that included Cairns who is a kid. Have we filled it once yet? And we’re told there’ll only be one more signing. We’re supposedly a League One football club, not a Sunday league side. Yet everyone else in the division seems to have a squad of 23-27 players, even the lesser clubs. |
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Post by dachshund on Aug 21, 2024 9:22:55 GMT 1
Don’t worry lads, Micky’s on the case. We’ve loaned out some of the academy to tier 11, and he’s now busy preparing to distance himself from the signings just like he did when Taylor was under pressure
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Post by gtismygod on Aug 21, 2024 9:25:21 GMT 1
Wow, one more addition. Truly incredible. Nine seasons battling away for our status in this division has culminated in this. A threadbare squad of over the hill journeymen and youngsters who don’t look up to it. We wouldn't even be able to compete in League Two with this budget. Is our budget much reduced from last season? Moore told us at the start of last season that the playing budget wasn't any different from the season before. With apparently just one more to come in and our largely bargain basement squad with points to prove, it must be the lowest budget in the league by some margin. It may well be around the same level as last season, but we simply aren’t able to scrape by on that any more. Everything is getting more and more expensive: players, wages, overheads, ticket prices etc. Our budget has to increase also if we’re going to compete. Combine our stagnant budget with probably the strongest and wealthiest League One of all time, and you’ve got a recipe for disaster. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 21, 2024 9:27:52 GMT 1
Enlighten me on the positives, because that last sentence in your comment kind of sums things up. Pierre looked very sharp Savin's distribution was great again, one throw put Sagoe clean through Saved a pen which will boost Savin's confidence Biggins was a lot more involved than I have seen him be recently with some positive play and decent interceptions, hopefully we are beginning to see what he is about. We actually had a pattern of play that created space Sagoe Jr was brilliant and a constant threat, his link up play with Benning improved a lot throughout the match O'Reilly looked hungry and made a fair few chances out of nothing (when was the last time we had a player like that) We made a bucket load of chances Savin had bugger all to do most of the night (one horribly deflected goal and the other goal was the only time in the night our defence got took apart) The players had another game to gel and to increase fitness levels. Obviously there are also negatives but it was an irrelevant game after a poor start to the season so I think it would be more beneficial to focus on the positivise. Stop being positive. This thread isnt about being positive 😀 |
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Post by gtismygod on Aug 21, 2024 9:30:55 GMT 1
Pierre looked very sharp Savin's distribution was great again, one throw put Sagoe clean through Saved a pen which will boost Savin's confidence Biggins was a lot more involved than I have seen him be recently with some positive play and decent interceptions, hopefully we are beginning to see what he is about. We actually had a pattern of play that created space Sagoe Jr was brilliant and a constant threat, his link up play with Benning improved a lot throughout the match O'Reilly looked hungry and made a fair few chances out of nothing (when was the last time we had a player like that) We made a bucket load of chances Savin had bugger all to do most of the night (one horribly deflected goal and the other goal was the only time in the night our defence got took apart) The players had another game to gel and to increase fitness levels. Obviously there are also negatives but it was an irrelevant game after a poor start to the season so I think it would be more beneficial to focus on the positivise. Stop being positive. This thread isnt about being positive 😀 Wow, just seen Pughy’s post. You have to admire the positivity. If I came up with a hundred adjectives to describe Pierre, ‘sharp’ would be nowhere near the list. Is Biggins being ‘more involved’ a nice way of saying that he gave the ball away even more often than we’ve seen previously? |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 21, 2024 9:32:15 GMT 1
This was my second game of the season and our defence are just good enough, the issues have been already discussed.
What will Hurst do? The obvious one is get two center backs otherwise we are going to have a very long season and we are going to concede a lot of goals.
The other issue is the lack of a physical holding middield player which leads to more pressure on the defence.
It does not say much for our defence or midfield when they get turned over by a bunch of teenagers.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 21, 2024 9:37:49 GMT 1
Enlighten me on the positives, because that last sentence in your comment kind of sums things up. Pierre looked very sharp Savin's distribution was great again, one throw put Sagoe clean through Saved a pen which will boost Savin's confidence Biggins was a lot more involved than I have seen him be recently with some positive play and decent interceptions, hopefully we are beginning to see what he is about. We actually had a pattern of play that created space Sagoe Jr was brilliant and a constant threat, his link up play with Benning improved a lot throughout the match O'Reilly looked hungry and made a fair few chances out of nothing (when was the last time we had a player like that) We made a bucket load of chances Savin had bugger all to do most of the night (one horribly deflected goal and the other goal was the only time in the night our defence got took apart) The players had another game to gel and to increase fitness levels. Obviously there are also negatives but it was an irrelevant game after a poor start to the season so I think it would be more beneficial to focus on the positivise. Please keep been posative |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 21, 2024 9:41:29 GMT 1
Anyone feeling a bit low this morning don't bother watching PH interview. He only expects 1 more addition. The fact we do not have the budget for another loan player on top is worrying. If that is the case we are stuffed,!! unless Hurst can performed a miracle |
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 21, 2024 9:47:19 GMT 1
This was my second game of the season and our defence are just good enough, the issues have been already discussed. What will Hurst do? The obvious one is get two center backs otherwise we are going to have a very long season and we are going to concede a lot of goals. The other issue is the lack of a physical holding middield player which leads to more pressure on the defence. It does not say much for our defence or midfield when they get turned over by a bunch of teenagers. The last line of that post sums it up. People putting positive spin on the performance need to qualify it by recognising that we were playing against kids, many of whom would normally be in the queue for their A level results tomorrow if the hadn’t been picked up by a Football Club. |
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Post by hectord0g137 on Aug 21, 2024 9:55:43 GMT 1
Mmmm things don't look great do they. I hate being beaten by my kids at anything and the youngest of them is 40!!!!
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Post by pughywasfree on Aug 21, 2024 9:59:52 GMT 1
This was my second game of the season and our defence are just good enough, the issues have been already discussed. What will Hurst do? The obvious one is get two center backs otherwise we are going to have a very long season and we are going to concede a lot of goals. The other issue is the lack of a physical holding middield player which leads to more pressure on the defence. It does not say much for our defence or midfield when they get turned over by a bunch of teenagers. The last line of that post sums it up. People putting positive spin on the performance need to qualify it by recognising that we were playing against kids, many of whom would normally be in the queue for their A level results tomorrow if the hadn’t been picked up by a Football Club. That's a fair point. A point that was irrilevent on Saturday when we was up against a team that had more quality than us in every position. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 10:01:13 GMT 1
Don’t worry lads, Micky’s on the case. We’ve loaned out some of the academy to tier 11, and he’s now busy preparing to distance himself from the signings just like he did when Taylor was under pressure last night we pumped aimless crosses towards the back post,. where the smallest guy on the pitch was waiting ( orielly ). the guy who is one of the best ive seen for years with the ball at his feet,. but obviously not an ariel threat at least twice last night we had a guy through on goal who instead of shooting , took a srange option to send the ball wide we had kayode on the bench who was a handful last tuesday in the air , as he was saturday when he came on , albeit out of position on the wing seems to me , we had the tools last night to complete a simple task but the guy in charge of them hadnt set them up correctly buy hey you concentrate on your cheap shots at micky moore and the chairman , its all you do, its really helpful too |
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Post by blamber on Aug 21, 2024 10:03:00 GMT 1
It's not that we've lost in the pizza cup to an U21 side. So did others. But the difference is that Barnsley, for example, had a line up that was all changed from the one that beat Lincoln on Saturday. And Wycombe started with just two. We started with 8 players that started against Posh. The concern is that we do not have anywhere near enough players in our squad, nor anywhere near the quality, to be properly equipped to compete in this league. Even the small squad model deployed by Cotterill in 2022/23 had 24, not counting the youth team players.
I also can't believe that our playing budget (which I assume stayed the same as last season) can only stretch to 21 players, largely cast offs and those at the end of their careers, particularly with Marosi, Flanagan and Bayliss now off the books.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 21, 2024 10:31:57 GMT 1
It's not that we've lost in the pizza cup to an U21 side. So did others. But the difference is that Barnsley, for example, had a line up that was all changed from the one that beat Lincoln on Saturday. And Wycombe started with just two. We started with 8 players that started against Posh. The concern is that we do not have anywhere near enough players in our squad, nor anywhere near the quality, to be properly equipped to compete in this league. Even the small squad model deployed by Cotterill in 2022/23 had 24, not counting the youth team players. I also can't believe that our playing budget (which I assume stayed the same as last season) can only stretch to 21 players, largely cast offs and those at the end of their careers, particularly with Marosi, Flanagan and Bayliss now off the books. maybe consider the chairman is desperare to sell , and isnt putting any more extra cash into the club, one reason being he wont get it back , there other is there is no thanks for doing so, he might think there is a better chance of selling when the club goes down and has a large debt, that seems to be the time most clubs sell, so fasten your seatbelts and hang on 😶 |
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Post by DiglisShrew on Aug 21, 2024 11:38:31 GMT 1
It's not that we've lost in the pizza cup to an U21 side. So did others. But the difference is that Barnsley, for example, had a line up that was all changed from the one that beat Lincoln on Saturday. And Wycombe started with just two. We started with 8 players that started against Posh. The concern is that we do not have anywhere near enough players in our squad, nor anywhere near the quality, to be properly equipped to compete in this league. Even the small squad model deployed by Cotterill in 2022/23 had 24, not counting the youth team players. I also can't believe that our playing budget (which I assume stayed the same as last season) can only stretch to 21 players, largely cast offs and those at the end of their careers, particularly with Marosi, Flanagan and Bayliss now off the books. maybe consider the chairman is desperare to sell , and isnt putting any more extra cash into the club, one reason being he wont get it back , there other is there is no thanks for doing so, he might think there is a better chance of selling when the club goes down and has a large debt, that seems to be the time most clubs sell, so fasten your seatbelts and hang on 😶 Why won’t he get his money back ? I’m sure the money being introduced by him will be in the form of loans interest free or otherwise and repayable as part of any sale ? There again you usually know more than most so maybe he has been making gifts instead . |
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 21, 2024 11:55:09 GMT 1
It's not that we've lost in the pizza cup to an U21 side. So did others. But the difference is that Barnsley, for example, had a line up that was all changed from the one that beat Lincoln on Saturday. And Wycombe started with just two. We started with 8 players that started against Posh. The concern is that we do not have anywhere near enough players in our squad, nor anywhere near the quality, to be properly equipped to compete in this league. Even the small squad model deployed by Cotterill in 2022/23 had 24, not counting the youth team players. I also can't believe that our playing budget (which I assume stayed the same as last season) can only stretch to 21 players, largely cast offs and those at the end of their careers, particularly with Marosi, Flanagan and Bayliss now off the books. maybe consider the chairman is desperare to sell , and isnt putting any more extra cash into the club, one reason being he wont get it back , there other is there is no thanks for doing so, he might think there is a better chance of selling when the club goes down and has a large debt, that seems to be the time most clubs sell, so fasten your seatbelts and hang on 😶 If that’s his plan he’s going to have a very uncomfortable few months / years. Calculating building up debt to get a sale done whilst slipping down the leagues. Perhaps he’s already started his plan? Or is it just someone’s wild imagination? |
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