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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 10:43:53 GMT 1
p**s poor opening day attendance, 5,000 at most there, people have had enough with the establishment in charge I had suggested a crowd of 5,570 in the pre match thread. Might have sounded a bit negative but ticket sales didn't seem that healthy at the time. Early kick off, on TV, holiday time contributory factors? early kick off live on tv and summer holidays big factors, the family stand was more than half empty as most will be on holiday , they will have been counted anyway yesterday but its a good benchmark to say if season ticket holders couldn't make it despite having a already paid then normal number will also be down |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Aug 18, 2024 12:39:16 GMT 1
Happy Sunday Everyone... Longest current winless run in the top four tiers of English football (league games) 1️⃣Shrewsbury Town - 9 2️⃣Cambridge United - 8 3️⃣Luton Town - 8 4️⃣Morecambe - 7 5️⃣Preston North End - 7 Another uplifting stat Teams that have gone the longest without back-to-back league wins (Top four tiers) 1️⃣Rotherham United - 80 2️⃣Shrewsbury Town - 64 3️⃣Grimsby Town - 60 4️⃣Carlisle United - 59 5️⃣Sheffield United - 42 |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 12:47:41 GMT 1
lol , the doom and gloom stat hunters are here already
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Post by mattmw on Aug 18, 2024 13:15:27 GMT 1
I wasn't there yesterday but was at Stevenage. From what I saw at the Lamax it's not hard to work out that we are in for another season of struggle. What Cotterill spent in his final season with us is probably what we need as a budget to consistently be competitive in this division. But clearly, that sort of spend is not deemed affordable or sustainable for our club by the current regime. So, until Roland sells or more investment is secured, our sights will be set on doing better than other smaller clubs like Cambridge, Crawley, Northampton and Exeter. The problem is that our budget may be even smaller than those clubs. Where typically, we would try and work with a small squad that has some quality, we currently have a very small squad with very limited quality. The only plus is that we have got two very tough games against Posh and away at Stevenage (where we always lose) out of the way and we still have a couple of weeks to bring in some meaningful reinforcements - hopefully a central defender with some pace is among them. Very good summary I think. Realistically there is unlikely to be any sale of the club during the course of the season, and in all probability not for sometime in the future until the decision to sell is no longer in the Chairman's hands. So assuming the Chairman doesn't have a few million each season to spend on continuing subsidising a realistic league one budget, I think running a much lower sustainable budget that breaks even or makes a small loss is realistically the only option open to us. So we are very much back in the postion of competing with the like of Cambridge, Crawley, Northampton and Exeter, rather than the Peterborough's, Birmingham, Charltons and dare I say it the Wrexham's of this division. While there is the potential for a manager to out perform that, the harsh reality is we're now operating on a bottom league one/top of league 2 budget, and will be for some significant time to come. The knock on impact of that is of course that its not an overly great "product" to sell to supporters old and new, and I suspect attendances will suffer this season which won't help the finances either and it all feels a bit like things are going backwards at the club. |
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Post by belfastshrew on Aug 18, 2024 13:24:35 GMT 1
Peterborough are a top side in this league, with money and talent abound. We are neither, and we know why...it's been debated to death.
We never expected to beat them yesterday. So put the opposition to one side and look at our performance in isolation. Against Stevenage we were god-awful. Yesterdays performance was an immense improvement.
We lost 1-0 against Stevenage, we lost badly. We lost 1-4 against Peterborough, we lost well.
Get my drift folks? As someone else posted...if we play like that we will be beating teams.
I was entertained yesterday. I thought all of the players gave 100%. We can't ask any more of them. Nsiala and Pierre are not world class. I don't understand what people expect us to be able to do 🤷♂️
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2024 13:30:37 GMT 1
Peterborough are a top side in this league, with money and talent abound. We are neither, and we know why...it's been debated to death. We never expected to beat them yesterday. So put the opposition to one side and look at our performance in isolation. Against Stevenage we were god-awful. Yesterdays performance was an immense improvement. We lost 1-0 against Stevenage, we lost badly. We lost 1-4 against Peterborough, we lost well. Get my drift folks? As someone else posted...if we play like that we will be beating teams. I was entertained yesterday. I thought all of the players gave 100%. We can't ask any more of them. Nsiala and Pierre are not world class. I don't understand what people expect us to be able to do 🤷♂️ Regarding your last sentence, I think that in itself is the problem. People don’t expect much more than being turned over 4-1 in our own home, and that’s such a sorry state of where we are and where expectations for this season are. Yes Peterborough are a good team, but we’ve taken points off them in the past, yet this season it seems like every time we play one of the 17/18 bigger clubs than us we have nothing more than a hope and a prayer. |
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Post by belfastshrew on Aug 18, 2024 13:47:13 GMT 1
Regarding your last sentence, I think that in itself is the problem. People don’t expect much more than being turned over 4-1 in our own home, and that’s such a sorry state of where we are and where expectations for this season are. Yes Peterborough are a good team, but we’ve taken points off them in the past, yet this season it seems like every time we play one of the 17/18 bigger clubs than us we have nothing more than a hope and a prayer. You're right, the expectation bar is very low. But the scoreline flattered them yesterday. It was a much closer game than 1-4. If we had a better defence I would be confident of staying up. I'm 50/50 at the moment. Not much more we can expect this season sadly, a cup run would be nice wouldn't it! |
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 18, 2024 13:52:28 GMT 1
lol , the doom and gloom stat hunters are here already And just some facts Town were 17 points behind and with an inferior gd of 34 goals with Herefird so if that wasn't lu k to get promoted that season I would like to know what is ? |
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Post by servernaside on Aug 18, 2024 14:31:15 GMT 1
Having read many of the postings on this thread over the past 24 hours, I can only conclude that the bulk of them are what I would describe as 'froth and nonsense'.
Of course we are all disappointed at yesterdays' result, although I suspect that had we not allowed ourselves to be defensively ripped open twice in the last few minutes, a 1-2 defeat against a very good Posh side would not have seemed bad enough to produce the cascade of criticism about the club and its ownership as it has.
People need to step back and have a look at the overall performance of this club relative to its size, average gates and catchment area. Virtually all the clubs in the two higher leagues - Premier & Championship, are located in cities and towns with far greater populations and therefore average gates, than Shrewsbury. Virtually all teams in Leagues 1 & 2 are located in towns and cities more akin to the size of Shrewsbury with a few stragglers like Birmingham City, Charlton and Huddersfield who have fallen on hard times.
Where exactly do the doom-mongers think a club like Shrewsbury should be in the league hierarchy? Premier League or Championship at minimum if I get the gist of some of the comments on here.
With regard to the oft repeated 'RW out' routine, a new owner isn't going change those fundamental demographics and if we're talking about 'investment' and 'budgets' where do people think that money is coming from? Unless the club is bought by an extremely wealthy individual who buys it as a hobby - unlikely and with predictable consequences when he gets bored), then any sensible businessman would tell you that there would be no significant return on the investment, if indeed any at all.
Attendances are never going to exceed 7-8,000 per game on a regular basis, no matter how well the team is performing. Where would be the economic return?
Posters should take a look at the clubs in Leagues 1 & 2 and then come back and tell me honestly that STFC should rightfully be competing at a higher level. I think that you'll find that League One is as good as it's ever going to get for a provincial club in a town of this size.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee, guys.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2024 14:35:18 GMT 1
Peterborough are a top side in this league, with money and talent abound. We are neither, and we know why...it's been debated to death. We never expected to beat them yesterday. So put the opposition to one side and look at our performance in isolation. Against Stevenage we were god-awful. Yesterdays performance was an immense improvement. We lost 1-0 against Stevenage, we lost badly. We lost 1-4 against Peterborough, we lost well. Get my drift folks? As someone else posted...if we play like that we will be beating teams. I was entertained yesterday. I thought all of the players gave 100%. We can't ask any more of them. Nsiala and Pierre are not world class. I don't understand what people expect us to be able to do 🤷♂️ Regarding your last sentence, I think that in itself is the problem. People don’t expect much more than being turned over 4-1 in our own home, and that’s such a sorry state of where we are and where expectations for this season are. Yes Peterborough are a good team, but we’ve taken points off them in the past, yet this season it seems like every time we play one of the 17/18 bigger clubs than us we have nothing more than a hope and a prayer. Didn't Paul Hurst say that he expects 16 clubs this season to be in with a shout of promotion/the play offs? If Posh are one of those then we face a tough old season. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 14:44:14 GMT 1
lol , the doom and gloom stat hunters are here already And just some facts Town were 17 points behind and with an inferior gd of 34 goals with Herefird so if that wasn't lu k to get promoted that season I would like to know what is ? 2rd 3rd 4th & 5th place that season meant those 4 sides went into a play off on equal terms bit like in 2018 when 4 sides including us with a far superior points tally than the other 3 sides |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Aug 18, 2024 16:07:47 GMT 1
We never expected to beat them yesterday. I don't disagree but that probably sums up how bad things are. Peterborough are a good side and have more money than us but they are not a massive ex PL club who are a giant at this level like a Sheff Weds, Sunderland, Derby, etc. The fact we are so accepting of a defeat to Peterborough does show (to me anyway) how defeatist our fan base are. Like you said, why we are in this position has been done to death. And I don't disagree that you can't question the effort put in by the players yesterday, some will shrug their shoulders and just say "it is what it is", that's fine, but others (myself included) will question where the club is heading. With the signings we made in the summer I expected a hard season, it doesn't mean I have to be happy about it though. |
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Post by ar**chairfan on Aug 18, 2024 16:11:06 GMT 1
Having read many of the postings on this thread over the past 24 hours, I can only conclude that the bulk of them are what I would describe as 'froth and nonsense'. Of course we are all disappointed at yesterdays' result, although I suspect that had we not allowed ourselves to be defensively ripped open twice in the last few minutes, a 1-2 defeat against a very good Posh side would not have seemed bad enough to produce the cascade of criticism about the club and its ownership as it has. People need to step back and have a look at the overall performance of this club relative to its size, average gates and catchment area. Virtually all the clubs in the two higher leagues - Premier & Championship, are located in cities and towns with far greater populations and therefore average gates, than Shrewsbury. Virtually all teams in Leagues 1 & 2 are located in towns and cities more akin to the size of Shrewsbury with a few stragglers like Birmingham City, Charlton and Huddersfield who have fallen on hard times. Where exactly do the doom-mongers think a club like Shrewsbury should be in the league hierarchy? Premier League or Championship at minimum if I get the gist of some of the comments on here. With regard to the oft repeated 'RW out' routine, a new owner isn't going change those fundamental demographics and if we're talking about 'investment' and 'budgets' where do people think that money is coming from? Unless the club is bought by an extremely wealthy individual who buys it as a hobby - unlikely and with predictable consequences when he gets bored), then any sensible businessman would tell you that there would be no significant return on the investment, if indeed any at all. Attendances are never going to exceed 7-8,000 per game on a regular basis, no matter how well the team is performing. Where would be the economic return? Posters should take a look at the clubs in Leagues 1 & 2 and then come back and tell me honestly that STFC should rightfully be competing at a higher level. I think that you'll find that League One is as good as it's ever going to get for a provincial club in a town of this size. Time to wake up and smell the coffee, guys. That is, I fear, a sober, if depressing, assessment, but aren't we poor fans not allowed to hope any more...  ? As I say, it's depressing! |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Aug 18, 2024 16:20:07 GMT 1
Time to wake up and smell the coffee, guys. Some of us have done that a long time ago which is why we are questioning where we are heading under a two man board consisting of Roland and his accountant. As for the rest of your post, most of it seems to be on the basis that some fans think we should be playing higher than L1, but can you show me a single post which suggests that? |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 18, 2024 16:30:21 GMT 1
Are there really Town fans here who think we ought to be Premier League or Championship at a minimum? I must be reading a different board.  Anyhow, just your regular reminder that it wasn't that long ago that Burton spent two seasons in the Championship. Sure, they didn't do an awful lot once they got there but I wouldn't expect Town to do so either. But they got there. And so have the likes of Crewe, Doncaster, MK, Gillingham, Wycombe and one or two others I wouldn't say were too far off when it comes to size and average gates. All have played in the second tier since we last did (over 30 years ago). Yes, its difficult. But its not beyond a club like Town because others have proven that. I guess the first thing you would need to do is to establish yourself in League One in the hope that every now and then things click and you trouble the play-offs. I gather that was the plan and yet even that seems to be beyond us. Wycombe Wanderers, for example, have reached two play off finals twice since we last did (a club who get less through the gate than we do but are in a position to poach players from us). Forget the doom-mongers who think we should be happy or content with season after season struggling at this level. Its not asking too much to expect and demand more. Hurst understands that, it was good to hear him recognise that and encouraging that he saw it as something that needed to be addressed. However, with that said, you can only work with the tools given (or rather, what you can afford). |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 16:34:36 GMT 1
Are there really Town fans here who think we ought to be Premier League or Championship at a minimum? I must be reading a different board. Anyhow, just your regular reminder that it wasn't that long ago that Burton spent two seasons in the Championship. Sure, they didn't do an awful lot once they got there but I wouldn't expect Town to do so either. But they got there. And so have the likes of Crewe, Doncaster, MK, Gillingham, Wycombe and one or two others I wouldn't say were too far off when it comes to size and average gates. All have played in the second tier since we last did (over 30 years ago). Yes, its difficult. But its not beyond a club like Town because others have proven that. I guess the first thing you would need to do is to establish yourself in League One in the hope that every now and then things click and you trouble the play-offs. I gather that was the plan and yet even that seems to be beyond us. Wycombe Wanderers, for example, have reached two play off finals twice since we last did (a club who get less through the gate than we do but are in a position to poach players from us). Forget the doom-mongers who think we should be happy or content with season after season struggling at this level. Its not asking too much to expect and demand more. Hurst understands that, it was good to hear him recognise that and encouraging that he saw it as something that needed to be addressed. However, with that said, you can only work with the tools given (or rather, what you can afford). Are there really Town fans here ( aka doom -mongers ) who think we should be happy or content with season after season struggling at this level, I must be reading a different board. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 18, 2024 16:40:09 GMT 1
We never expected to beat them yesterday. The fact we are so accepting of a defeat to Peterborough does show (to me anyway) how defeatist our fan base are. It does. That we have Town fans who just seem to be resigned to this. I just don't get it. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 16:46:29 GMT 1
The fact we are so accepting of a defeat to Peterborough does show (to me anyway) how defeatist our fan base are. It does. That we have Town fans who just seem to be resigned to this. I just don't get it. remind us what you are moaning at ? seems like you are resigned to relegation already too many fans given up after game 2 how sad |
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Post by belfastshrew on Aug 18, 2024 17:16:21 GMT 1
Although I accepted a result was unlikely against P'bro...I'm still positive about a performance 🤷♂️ no doom-mongering from me.
As Pilch says, as long as we have a club to support...not even too concerned if we go down. Our level is our level 🤷♂️
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 18, 2024 17:16:43 GMT 1
It does. That we have Town fans who just seem to be resigned to this. I just don't get it. remind us what you are moaning at ? seems like you are resigned to relegation already too many fans given up after game 2 how sad That was in response to this... We never expected to beat them yesterday.That's in response to a League One home game against Peterborough United. Thankfully we now seem to have a manager in place who at least wants to move us on from this mentality. It seems some of our fans haven't, however. How sad. As for relegation, if you ever see me post something along the lines of "we didn't expect to stay up anyway" then get back to me. |
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Post by vladimir on Aug 18, 2024 17:21:42 GMT 1
Hearing that Rossiter may need a scan is for me the worst news of the day. Absolute chasm in our midfield without him and Winchester will wear himself out by October trying to do everything.
Desperate need for a mid on loan for me.
Hopefully a few can play themselves into some form and confidence on Tuesday.
At least on the plus side we carry some threat now and o'reilly is a near certainty to create chances every game.
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 18, 2024 17:21:48 GMT 1
remind us what you are moaning at ? seems like you are resigned to relegation already too many fans given up after game 2 how sad That was in response to this... We never expected to beat them yesterday.That's in response to a League One home game against Peterborough United. Thankfully we now seem to have a manager in place who at least wants to move us on from this mentality. It seems some of our fans haven't, however. How sad. As for relegation, if you ever see me post something along the lines of "we didn't expect to stay up anyway" then get back to me. It just shows how long we have been neglected and how far we have fallen behind, that such a malaise and mentality has infested itself throughout the core of our club. We must always be allowed to dream big, and demand better. Otherwise what is the point. I’ll never give in to those wishing to suppress any scintilla of expectation |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 17:26:36 GMT 1
remind us what you are moaning at ? seems like you are resigned to relegation already too many fans given up after game 2 how sad That was in response to this... We never expected to beat them yesterday.That's in response to a League One home game against Peterborough United. Thankfully we now seem to have a manager in place who at least wants to move us on from this mentality. It seems some of our fans haven't, however. How sad. As for relegation, if you ever see me post something along the lines of "we didn't expect to stay up anyway" then get back to me. There was a time on here that threads would have started highlighting 4 points from 9 games and zero wins So yeah glad we now have a manager who wants to move us on 🙄 |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 18, 2024 17:28:36 GMT 1
That was in response to this... We never expected to beat them yesterday.That's in response to a League One home game against Peterborough United. Thankfully we now seem to have a manager in place who at least wants to move us on from this mentality. It seems some of our fans haven't, however. How sad. As for relegation, if you ever see me post something along the lines of "we didn't expect to stay up anyway" then get back to me. There was a time on here that threads would have started highlighting 4 points from 9 games and zero wins So yeah glad we now have a manager who wants to move us on 🙄 This makes no sense to me at all, no idea what you are getting at. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 17:38:42 GMT 1
There was a time on here that threads would have started highlighting 4 points from 9 games and zero wins So yeah glad we now have a manager who wants to move us on 🙄 This makes no sense to me at all, no idea what you are getting at. well one minute you are criticising fans that you claim are happy with us struggling at this level ( not seen that but thats your claim ) next minute you are singing the praises of a manager on a run of zero wins in 9 and just 4 points now that makes no sense to me |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 18, 2024 17:43:35 GMT 1
This makes no sense to me at all, no idea what you are getting at. well one minute you are criticising fans that you claim are happy with us struggling at this level ( not seen that but thats your claim ) next minute you are singing the praises of a manager on a run of zero wins in 9 and just 4 points now that makes no sense to me Its refreshing to see a manager come in and recognize that there is a mentality within the club that needs to be addressed. I am sure he is trying to do so. That is a mentality that a number of fans seem to hold. As for a manager on a run of zero wins in 9 and just 4 points, as I have mentioned above, my focus is not on the manager, we need a change at the top. We need new investment. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 18, 2024 17:43:53 GMT 1
Ladies and gentlemen I declare the meltdown open , if only that Roland Wycherley header had crossed the line and made it 2-2 Funny how it's nothing to do with hurst 😝 at least we are losing more excitingly than last season have fun guys , I'll be back later to pick all the teddies up 🧸🧸🧸 For what it's worth , Savin was my mom today , pretty decent game 👍 We had a decent go at it , so close not to get back at 2-2 but then a scrappy goal and we folded , shame we lost feeney which didn't help and it might mean we have to chase another cb this week Just to ask Pilch, I'm just wondering why you are coming out with such things as "meltdown" and "pick all the teddies up" towards those who are unhappy, disappointed, concerned, etc. about the result? Were you not unhappy, disappointed, concerned about the result? What is this post all about? Who is it aimed at and why? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 18:32:47 GMT 1
Ladies and gentlemen I declare the meltdown open , if only that Roland Wycherley header had crossed the line and made it 2-2 Funny how it's nothing to do with hurst 😝 at least we are losing more excitingly than last season have fun guys , I'll be back later to pick all the teddies up 🧸🧸🧸 For what it's worth , Savin was my mom today , pretty decent game 👍 We had a decent go at it , so close not to get back at 2-2 but then a scrappy goal and we folded , shame we lost feeney which didn't help and it might mean we have to chase another cb this week Just to ask Pilch, I'm just wondering why you are coming out with such things as "meltdown" and "pick all the teddies up" towards those who are unhappy, disappointed, concerned, etc. about the result? Were you not unhappy, disappointed, concerned about the result? What is this post all about? Who is it aimed at and why? it was aimed at anyone who as soon as we go a couple of goals down turn to blaming the chairman like as if he was in goal and cocked up, bit like they did on Tuesday night, in case you missed it, the club is for sale, no genuine buyers is the issue as for myself, on the pre match thread I suggested 2-2 might be the best we could do yesterday but feared it might be 4-1 t them, im just a realist, I didnt cry or get upset, a point would have been nice , we almost got it at one point yet so near yet so far, im looking forward to Fulham on Tuesday now, hoping to see how all the other players perform if given chance, my biggest worry is our CBs, best 2 are both crocked, current 2 are too slow, im thinking maybe another loan might have to be had as a priority come on town |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 18, 2024 19:19:09 GMT 1
Just to ask Pilch, I'm just wondering why you are coming out with such things as "meltdown" and "pick all the teddies up" towards those who are unhappy, disappointed, concerned, etc. about the result? Were you not unhappy, disappointed, concerned about the result? What is this post all about? Who is it aimed at and why? it was aimed at anyone who as soon as we go a couple of goals down turn to blaming the chairman like as if he was in goal and cocked up, bit like they did on Tuesday night, in case you missed it, the club is for sale, no genuine buyers is the issue as for myself, on the pre match thread I suggested 2-2 might be the best we could do yesterday but feared it might be 4-1 t them, im just a realist, I didnt cry or get upset, a point would have been nice , we almost got it at one point yet so near yet so far, im looking forward to Fulham on Tuesday now, hoping to see how all the other players perform if given chance, my biggest worry is our CBs, best 2 are both crocked, current 2 are too slow, im thinking maybe another loan might have to be had as a priority come on town No, people aren't blaming the chairman as if he is in goal. That's complete nonsense. We look to the chairman because he owns the club, he holds the purse strings and that determines what the club can and can not afford on transfers and wages. And looking to recent seasons many of us feel that he has taken the club as far as he can and that we are getting left behind. We are not progressing. Therefore, we would like to see what new owners and new investment could bring to the club. And the line that there are no genuine buyers simply does not hold up now that we know the consortium who took over Burton wanted to buy Town. That would very much suggest they were genuine. So you don't cry or get upset so you're OK with it? You are OK with the performances and the results? Even a 4-1 loss at home to Peterborough United in League One? That's OK? You just shrug your shoulders and look forward to the next game? Fair enough. But I'm just wondering why, considering how the last few seasons have played out and how this one has started, you see a need to mock those who who are not happy with the current situation, who voice their concerns and their disappointment with the state of the club, performances and results. Why is that? Because as a realist you believe this is the best we can expect and hope for? And anyone doesn't think that is case, perfectly reasonable though considering how others are performing, deserves to the ridiculed? What's going on with that? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 19:34:05 GMT 1
it was aimed at anyone who as soon as we go a couple of goals down turn to blaming the chairman like as if he was in goal and cocked up, bit like they did on Tuesday night, in case you missed it, the club is for sale, no genuine buyers is the issue as for myself, on the pre match thread I suggested 2-2 might be the best we could do yesterday but feared it might be 4-1 t them, im just a realist, I didnt cry or get upset, a point would have been nice , we almost got it at one point yet so near yet so far, im looking forward to Fulham on Tuesday now, hoping to see how all the other players perform if given chance, my biggest worry is our CBs, best 2 are both crocked, current 2 are too slow, im thinking maybe another loan might have to be had as a priority come on town No, people aren't blaming the chairman as if he is in goal. That's complete nonsense. We look to the chairman because he owns the club, he holds the purse strings and that determines what the club can and can not afford on transfers and wages. And looking to recent seasons many of us feel that he has taken the club as far as he can and that we are getting left behind. We are not progressing. Therefore, we would like to see what new owners and new investment could bring to the club. And the line that there are no genuine buyers simply does not hold up now that we know the consortium who took over Burton wanted to buy Town. That would very much suggest they were genuine. So you don't cry or get upset so you're OK with it? You are OK with the performances and the results? Even a 4-1 loss at home to Peterborough United in League One? That's OK? You just shrug your shoulders and look forward to the next game? Fair enough. But I'm just wondering why, considering how the last few seasons have played out and how this one has started, you see a need to mock those who who are not happy with the current situation, who voice their concerns and their disappointment with the state of the club, performances and results. Why is that? Because as a realist you believe this is the best we can expect and hope for? And anyone doesn't think that is case, perfectly reasonable though considering how others are performing, deserves to the ridiculed? What's going on with that? I gave you the answer you asked for, am I free to go now or are you detaining me for further questioning ? |
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