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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 18, 2024 19:49:29 GMT 1
No, people aren't blaming the chairman as if he is in goal. That's complete nonsense. We look to the chairman because he owns the club, he holds the purse strings and that determines what the club can and can not afford on transfers and wages. And looking to recent seasons many of us feel that he has taken the club as far as he can and that we are getting left behind. We are not progressing. Therefore, we would like to see what new owners and new investment could bring to the club. And the line that there are no genuine buyers simply does not hold up now that we know the consortium who took over Burton wanted to buy Town. That would very much suggest they were genuine. So you don't cry or get upset so you're OK with it? You are OK with the performances and the results? Even a 4-1 loss at home to Peterborough United in League One? That's OK? You just shrug your shoulders and look forward to the next game? Fair enough. But I'm just wondering why, considering how the last few seasons have played out and how this one has started, you see a need to mock those who who are not happy with the current situation, who voice their concerns and their disappointment with the state of the club, performances and results. Why is that? Because as a realist you believe this is the best we can expect and hope for? And anyone doesn't think that is case, perfectly reasonable though considering how others are performing, deserves to the ridiculed? What's going on with that? I gave you the answer you asked for, am I free to go now or are you detaining me for further questioning ?  So if I have it right, you think they deserved to be mocked because when they are critical of the chairman they are "blaming the chairman like as if he was in goal and cocked up"?  Not because he happens to own and run the club and that the club has stalled and has shown no progress whatsoever since we arrived at this level again some ten years ago? Is that it? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 20:01:49 GMT 1
I gave you the answer you asked for, am I free to go now or are you detaining me for further questioning ? So if I have it right, you think they deserved to be mocked because when they are critical of the chairman they are "blaming the chairman like as if he was in goal and cocked up"? Not because he happens to own and run the club and that the club has stalled and has shown no progress whatsoever since we arrived at this level again some ten years ago? Is that it? staying the division for 10 years is progress in itself we've increased the fan base too and achieved far better cup averages too heres one I made earlier, it speaks for itself just for a bit of fun with most threads putting our chairman in the spotlight, I thought I have a closer look at how we have developed over the years im just counting the 4 most important stats from each season and producing the... Average league position Average FA CUP Progress Average League Cup Progress
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1st decade 15.4th in League 2 FA Cup Round 1.5 League Cup Round 1.1 Average Attendance 3737 2nd decade 3.9th in League 2 FA Cup Round 1.7 League Cup Round 1.8 Average Attendance 5525 current decade ( 8 years ) 15th League 1 FA Cup Round 3.125 League Cup Round 1.375 Average Attendance 6176 not to shabby as far as progress goes |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 18, 2024 20:17:28 GMT 1
So if I have it right, you think they deserved to be mocked because when they are critical of the chairman they are "blaming the chairman like as if he was in goal and cocked up"? Not because he happens to own and run the club and that the club has stalled and has shown no progress whatsoever since we arrived at this level again some ten years ago? Is that it? staying the division for 10 years is progress in itself we've increased the fan base too and achieved far better cup averages too heres one I made earlier, it speaks for itself just for a bit of fun with most threads putting our chairman in the spotlight, I thought I have a closer look at how we have developed over the years im just counting the 4 most important stats from each season and producing the... Average league position Average FA CUP Progress Average League Cup Progress
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1st decade 15.4th in League 2 FA Cup Round 1.5 League Cup Round 1.1 Average Attendance 3737 2nd decade 3.9th in League 2 FA Cup Round 1.7 League Cup Round 1.8 Average Attendance 5525 current decade ( 8 years ) 15th League 1 FA Cup Round 3.125 League Cup Round 1.375 Average Attendance 6176 not to shabby as far as progress goes I disagree. We have not progressed since reaching this level again in 2015. We continue to struggle. As far as I can see, when looking to this season we are right back to square one. Our first season back at this level saw a 20th place finish, we finished 19th didn't we last season? What are we expecting this season? Therefore, many do not see this as progress, we have in fact stalled. And if supporters do think this, considering what we have done at this level since returning, considering the current state of things, they deserved to be mocked? For not seeing 19th place in League One after ten years at this level as progress? Is that it? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 20:28:19 GMT 1
staying the division for 10 years is progress in itself we've increased the fan base too and achieved far better cup averages too heres one I made earlier, it speaks for itself I disagree. We have not progressed since reaching this level again in 2015. We continue to struggle. As far as I can see, when looking to this season we are right back to square one. Our first season back at this level saw a 20th place finish, we finished 19th didn't we last season? What are we expecting this season? Therefore, many do not see this as progress, we have in fact stalled. And if supporters do think this, considering what we have done at this level since returning, considering the current state of things, they deserved to be mocked? For not seeing 19th place in League One after ten years at this level as progress? Is that it? you stick to your fairytales and I'll continue to be a realist |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2024 20:50:51 GMT 1
"we've increased the fan base too and achieved far better cup averages too..."
and that's great but we are still skint even after all that and currently propping up the league.
Let's hope for an upturn in our league fortunes over the coming weeks and months.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 18, 2024 20:52:50 GMT 1
I disagree. We have not progressed since reaching this level again in 2015. We continue to struggle. As far as I can see, when looking to this season we are right back to square one. Our first season back at this level saw a 20th place finish, we finished 19th didn't we last season? What are we expecting this season? Therefore, many do not see this as progress, we have in fact stalled. And if supporters do think this, considering what we have done at this level since returning, considering the current state of things, they deserved to be mocked? For not seeing 19th place in League One after ten years at this level as progress? Is that it? you stick to your fairytales and I'll continue to be a realist So there it is, we got there in the end. Just to say of course, I don't see success at this level as a fairy tale. I think that's nonsense. But maybe it would be best if you did stick to your own thing. I mean rather than looking to mock those for simply having a perfectly reasonable opinion that might just differ from your own. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 20:53:43 GMT 1
"we've increased the fan base too and achieved far better cup averages too..." and that's great but we are still skint even after all that and currently propping up the league. Let's hope for an upturn in our league fortunes over the coming weeks and months. it was only 3 seasons ago we lost our 4 opening games without even scoring |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 18, 2024 20:59:32 GMT 1
"we've increased the fan base too and achieved far better cup averages too..." and that's great but we are still skint even after all that and currently propping up the league. Let's hope for an upturn in our league fortunes over the coming weeks and months. I really hope so because then maybe we wouldn't have posters lampooning individual players/the coach/the DofF/the Chairman every match - well, maybe, though I doubt it, there's always something to be moaned about. If our season does start to fire on all cylinders then I suppose we'll be back to bird poo on the seats or something. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2024 22:00:30 GMT 1
So if I have it right, you think they deserved to be mocked because when they are critical of the chairman they are "blaming the chairman like as if he was in goal and cocked up"? Not because he happens to own and run the club and that the club has stalled and has shown no progress whatsoever since we arrived at this level again some ten years ago? Is that it? staying the division for 10 years is progress in itself we've increased the fan base too and achieved far better cup averages too heres one I made earlier, it speaks for itself just for a bit of fun with most threads putting our chairman in the spotlight, I thought I have a closer look at how we have developed over the years im just counting the 4 most important stats from each season and producing the... Average league position Average FA CUP Progress Average League Cup Progress
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1st decade 15.4th in League 2 FA Cup Round 1.5 League Cup Round 1.1 Average Attendance 3737 2nd decade 3.9th in League 2 FA Cup Round 1.7 League Cup Round 1.8 Average Attendance 5525 current decade ( 8 years ) 15th League 1 FA Cup Round 3.125 League Cup Round 1.375 Average Attendance 6176 not to shabby as far as progress goes Ten years in League One is not massive progress. It is better that the average of the previous 18 years I'll grant you, but in our time supporting the Town we've seen tier 2 football for 8 years, so over my lifetime we are probably where we should be, but every football supporter wants better. I know I do. Non-league clubs want to make it into the 92, league 2 clubs want to move up to league 1 all the way up to the Premier League clubs that want to get into Europe. For any of that to happen you need the owners to show ambition and to fund that and also to put the right people in place and give them the tools to get to those targets. Staying up on the 2nd last weekend of the season should never be the height of that ambition and surely after 7 of the last 9 seasons being like that even you are hoping for more.
Your decades are a little misleading and more than a little biased. The first decade we were still at the Meadow with its crumbling infrastructure and we were in the fourth tier (or lower) for all but 1 season.
The second decade saw us move to the new ground and it took time for people to consider it home, the Meadow was home to many people, the new ground was just a place that we played our home games. A couple of high profile games started to get a few more people interested in supporting the club, the infrastructure and ability to get people to the games improved and attendances started to go up.
The third decade saw Hurst come in and a brilliant season that saw us pushing for promotion, reaching a Wembley final and a play-off final. The following seasons saw cup runs to the 4th round.
We have one of the worst attendances in the league. In 2019 we were 18th in league 1, in '20 we were 15th, '21 we dropped to 17th, '22 to 18th and '24 to 19th. The only season where we saw a significant improvement was '23 when people came to out to watch a side that looked as if they might just be capable of competing in this league rather than just surviving.
Just to point out, again, that in the 65 years since the divisions were changed from regional ones we have spent a grand total of 19 years in the 4th tier (or lower), 16 of those years have been on Wycherleys watch and if we're not bloody careful we will be adding to that in May.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 18, 2024 22:17:44 GMT 1
staying the division for 10 years is progress in itself we've increased the fan base too and achieved far better cup averages too heres one I made earlier, it speaks for itself Ten years in League One is not massive progress. It is better that the average of the previous 18 years I'll grant you, but in our time supporting the Town we've seen tier 2 football for 8 years, so over my lifetime we are probably where we should be, but every football supporter wants better. I know I do. Non-league clubs want to make in the 92, league 2 clubs want to move up to league 1 all the way up to the Premier League clubs that want to get into Europe. For any of that to happen you need the owners to show ambition and to fund that and also to put the right people in place and give them the tools to get to those targets. Staying up on the 2nd last weekend of the season should never be the height of that ambition and surely after 7 of the last 9 seasons being like that even you are hoping for more.
Your decades are a little misleading and more than a little biased. The first decade we were still at the Meadow with its crumbling infrastructure and we were in the fourth tier (or lower) for all but 1 season.
The second decade saw us move to the new ground and it took time for people to consider it home, the Meadow was home to many people, the new ground was just a place that we played our home games. A couple of high profile games started to get a few more people interested in supporting the club, the infrastructure and ability to get people to the games improved and attendances started to go up.
The third decade saw Hurst come in and a brilliant season that saw us pushing for promotion, reaching a Wembley final and a play-off final. The following seasons saw cup runs to the 4th round.
We have one of the worst attendances in the league. In 2019 we were 18th in league 1, in '20 we were 15th, '21 we dropped to 17th, '22 to 18th and '24 to 19th. The only season where we saw a significant improvement was '23 when people came to out to watch a side that looked as if they might just be capable of competing in this league rather than just surviving.
Just to point out, again, that in the 65 years since the divisions were changed from regional ones we have spent a grand total of 19 years in the 4th tier (or lower), 16 of those years have been on Wycherleys watch and if we're not bloody careful we will be adding to that in May.
Some of those fans might also remember Northampton town , Carlisle united , more recently Bradford , Oldham and Swindon in the top flight , it's not the 1980s any more where there was a more level playing field , it's about money , it's about needing a guy who burns money for a hobby , and then hoping he doesn't get bored like the guy at Southend has Keep dreaming for a dream to come true and also dream for it to not have a happy end but too never end i wonder if bury fans are currently moaning about the glory days |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2024 23:15:39 GMT 1
Ten years in League One is not massive progress. It is better that the average of the previous 18 years I'll grant you, but in our time supporting the Town we've seen tier 2 football for 8 years, so over my lifetime we are probably where we should be, but every football supporter wants better. I know I do. Non-league clubs want to make in the 92, league 2 clubs want to move up to league 1 all the way up to the Premier League clubs that want to get into Europe. For any of that to happen you need the owners to show ambition and to fund that and also to put the right people in place and give them the tools to get to those targets. Staying up on the 2nd last weekend of the season should never be the height of that ambition and surely after 7 of the last 9 seasons being like that even you are hoping for more.
Your decades are a little misleading and more than a little biased. The first decade we were still at the Meadow with its crumbling infrastructure and we were in the fourth tier (or lower) for all but 1 season.
The second decade saw us move to the new ground and it took time for people to consider it home, the Meadow was home to many people, the new ground was just a place that we played our home games. A couple of high profile games started to get a few more people interested in supporting the club, the infrastructure and ability to get people to the games improved and attendances started to go up.
The third decade saw Hurst come in and a brilliant season that saw us pushing for promotion, reaching a Wembley final and a play-off final. The following seasons saw cup runs to the 4th round.
We have one of the worst attendances in the league. In 2019 we were 18th in league 1, in '20 we were 15th, '21 we dropped to 17th, '22 to 18th and '24 to 19th. The only season where we saw a significant improvement was '23 when people came to out to watch a side that looked as if they might just be capable of competing in this league rather than just surviving.
Just to point out, again, that in the 65 years since the divisions were changed from regional ones we have spent a grand total of 19 years in the 4th tier (or lower), 16 of those years have been on Wycherleys watch and if we're not bloody careful we will be adding to that in May.
Some of those fans might also remember Northampton town , Carlisle united , more recently Bradford , Oldham and Swindon in the top flight , it's not the 1980s any more where there was a more level playing field , it's about money , it's about needing a guy who burns money for a hobby , and then hoping he doesn't get bored like the guy at Southend has Keep dreaming for a dream to come true and also dream for it to not have a happy end but too never end i wonder if bury fans are currently moaning about the glory days So tell us great oracle, what do you want? If it's turgid, losing football, flirting with relegation every year then fine, keep the status quo. I think you'll find however that most of us want a bit more than that. |
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Post by Scarecrow on Aug 18, 2024 23:53:22 GMT 1
Blue and amber won’t change as our fans have been conditioned to accept the “little old Shrewsbury under the benevolent Wychley” myth. Even if we finish bottom we’ll see these fans at the end of the year say “ah well, we can’t compete so what do you expect? It’s okay we are back to our level” acting like this isn’t our level. This is our level and frankly before Hollywood FC started marching up the divisions we were the ideal club to buy and invest in. Five years ago we had no major competitors for market share with Hereford, Chester, Wrexham and co all gone and no big city like Birmingham or Wolverhampton hoovering up fans in the town. That stadium, with proper investment and ownership could have led to sellouts every week with proper local initiatives. The corners could have been filled and we could have had attendances around the 10k mark every week with a competitive team on the field. I feel that chance is gone now though as I’m seeing kids across Shropshire with Wrexham shirts on.
Also looking at the maintenance on the ground this weekend I’m struck by two things. First how indefensible it is to have a third tier professional football league club with bird s*** on seats, cobwebs at the back of block 2 and clearly no basic standards of cleanliness. I don’t care if you are Roland in or out that stadium is not in the condition it should be for fans. Secondly if this is what Oldham fans saw when they saw their team tumble out of league one as the club had no investment and the ground was rotting around them.
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Post by servernaside on Aug 19, 2024 7:31:59 GMT 1
Time to wake up and smell the coffee, guys. Some of us have done that a long time ago which is why we are questioning where we are heading under a two man board consisting of Roland and his accountant. As for the rest of your post, most of it seems to be on the basis that some fans think we should be playing higher than L1, but can you show me a single post which suggests that? We have been in League One for almost ten years during which time we have reached a play-off final, reached a final of the EFL Cup and yes, have occasionally flirted with relegation. League One is where I would expect a club like Shrewsbury to be. The negativity of some posters on this board calling for radical change at the top, are clearly dissatisfied with League One and I can only conclude that they feel we should be playing at a higher level. How would you characterise it? |
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Post by servernaside on Aug 19, 2024 7:36:29 GMT 1
Some of those fans might also remember Northampton town , Carlisle united , more recently Bradford , Oldham and Swindon in the top flight , it's not the 1980s any more where there was a more level playing field , it's about money , it's about needing a guy who burns money for a hobby , and then hoping he doesn't get bored like the guy at Southend has Keep dreaming for a dream to come true and also dream for it to not have a happy end but too never end i wonder if bury fans are currently moaning about the glory days So tell us great oracle, what do you want? If it's turgid, losing football, flirting with relegation every year then fine, keep the status quo. I think you'll find however that most of us want a bit more than that. On what basis, during our current stay in League One, can you say that we have flirted with relegation every year? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 19, 2024 7:40:32 GMT 1
Some of those fans might also remember Northampton town , Carlisle united , more recently Bradford , Oldham and Swindon in the top flight , it's not the 1980s any more where there was a more level playing field , it's about money , it's about needing a guy who burns money for a hobby , and then hoping he doesn't get bored like the guy at Southend has Keep dreaming for a dream to come true and also dream for it to not have a happy end but too never end i wonder if bury fans are currently moaning about the glory days So tell us great oracle, what do you want? If it's turgid, losing football, flirting with relegation every year then fine, keep the status quo. I think you'll find however that most of us want a bit more than that. yeah I get your point , you just want to win , win and nothing but win can you name our biggest relegation battle over the last 10 seasons for us Go on just one game , name it |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 19, 2024 7:42:15 GMT 1
Blue and amber won’t change as our fans have been conditioned to accept the “little old Shrewsbury under the benevolent Wychley” myth. Even if we finish bottom we’ll see these fans at the end of the year say “ah well, we can’t compete so what do you expect? It’s okay we are back to our level” acting like this isn’t our level. This is our level and frankly before Hollywood FC started marching up the divisions we were the ideal club to buy and invest in. Five years ago we had no major competitors for market share with Hereford, Chester, Wrexham and co all gone and no big city like Birmingham or Wolverhampton hoovering up fans in the town. That stadium, with proper investment and ownership could have led to sellouts every week with proper local initiatives. The corners could have been filled and we could have had attendances around the 10k mark every week with a competitive team on the field. I feel that chance is gone now though as I’m seeing kids across Shropshire with Wrexham shirts on. Also looking at the maintenance on the ground this weekend I’m struck by two things. First how indefensible it is to have a third tier professional football league club with bird s*** on seats, cobwebs at the back of block 2 and clearly no basic standards of cleanliness. I don’t care if you are Roland in or out that stadium is not in the condition it should be for fans. Secondly if this is what Oldham fans saw when they saw their team tumble out of league one as the club had no investment and the ground was rotting around them. You've spent the last 5 or 6 seasons begging for the chairman to bring hurst back Some people get what they wish for |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2024 7:55:24 GMT 1
So tell us great oracle, what do you want? If it's turgid, losing football, flirting with relegation every year then fine, keep the status quo. I think you'll find however that most of us want a bit more than that. On what basis, during our current stay in League One, can you say that we have flirted with relegation every year? '18/'19 it was 2 points.
'20/'21 there was 7 points in it, which is almost creditable.
Last season we stayed up by 4 points.
Our squad this year is poorer than last seasons squad, we have played two, lost two in the league and scraped past a league 2 team in the cup.
How many of the last 10 years have you spent looking up the table with optimism rather than looking down with trepidation? I can think of 2.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 19, 2024 8:54:07 GMT 1
On what basis, during our current stay in League One, can you say that we have flirted with relegation every year? '18/'19 it was 2 points.
'20/'21 there was 7 points in it, which is almost creditable.
Last season we stayed up by 4 points.
Our squad this year is poorer than last seasons squad, we have played two, lost two in the league and scraped past a league 2 team in the cup.
How many of the last 10 years have you spent looking up the table with optimism rather than looking down with trepidation? I can think of 2.
You failed to name our biggest relegation game , not once have we kicked off with just 2 games remaining with relegation still a possibility That's pretty good for a yo-yo club which is what we we're at best 10 seasons ago |
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 19, 2024 9:16:47 GMT 1
'18/'19 it was 2 points.
'20/'21 there was 7 points in it, which is almost creditable.
Last season we stayed up by 4 points.
Our squad this year is poorer than last seasons squad, we have played two, lost two in the league and scraped past a league 2 team in the cup.
How many of the last 10 years have you spent looking up the table with optimism rather than looking down with trepidation? I can think of 2.
You failed to name our biggest relegation game , not once have we kicked off with just 2 games remaining with relegation still a possibility That's pretty good for a yo-yo club which is what we we're at best 10 seasons ago We literally did last season...  1-1 draw away at Charlton coupled with other results kept us up with 1 game to spare... |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 19, 2024 9:22:05 GMT 1
oh yeah , I totally forgot about our biggest relegation battle , the great escape part ii at the valley , how silly of me 🙄
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Post by ProudSalopian on Aug 19, 2024 9:32:19 GMT 1
We have been in League One for almost ten years during which time we have reached a play-off final, reached a final of the EFL Cup and yes, have occasionally flirted with relegation. League One is where I would expect a club like Shrewsbury to be. The negativity of some posters on this board calling for radical change at the top, are clearly dissatisfied with League One and I can only conclude that they feel we should be playing at a higher level. How would you characterise it? Since we have been promoted back into L1, our finishes have been 20th, 18th, 3rd, 18th, 15th, 17th, 18th & 12th & 19th. 9 seasons and 6 of them we have finished between 17th and 20th. Now I can't speak for any other town fan but when I question where our club is heading, it's not because I think we have some divine right to be playing at a higher level (far from it!), it's because I like to think that the height of our ambition shouldn't be to finish 17th. I'm not expecting/demanding promotion, I'm questioning why we are now in a position that we think beating Peterborough at home is beyond us. And the reason why some of us want 'radical change' is because they think the club is stuck in limbo until Roland finds a seller which suits his demands. I was recently speaking to a friend who was defending Roland, I asked him whether there is another professional football club in the country which is being run by a board consisting of an 82 year old man and his accountant, we don't even have a vice chairman. I have no doubt he cares about the club and doesn't want to leave us in a mess, but it's not a healthy way to be running a football club |
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Post by Minormorris64 on Aug 19, 2024 10:46:48 GMT 1
Blue and amber won’t change as our fans have been conditioned to accept the “little old Shrewsbury under the benevolent Wychley” myth. Even if we finish bottom we’ll see these fans at the end of the year say “ah well, we can’t compete so what do you expect? It’s okay we are back to our level” acting like this isn’t our level. This is our level and frankly before Hollywood FC started marching up the divisions we were the ideal club to buy and invest in. Five years ago we had no major competitors for market share with Hereford, Chester, Wrexham and co all gone and no big city like Birmingham or Wolverhampton hoovering up fans in the town. That stadium, with proper investment and ownership could have led to sellouts every week with proper local initiatives. The corners could have been filled and we could have had attendances around the 10k mark every week with a competitive team on the field. I feel that chance is gone now though as I’m seeing kids across Shropshire with Wrexham shirts on. Also looking at the maintenance on the ground this weekend I’m struck by two things. First how indefensible it is to have a third tier professional football league club with bird s*** on seats, cobwebs at the back of block 2 and clearly no basic standards of cleanliness. I don’t care if you are Roland in or out that stadium is not in the condition it should be for fans. Secondly if this is what Oldham fans saw when they saw their team tumble out of league one as the club had no investment and the ground was rotting around them. Just to point out that even in 1979/80 in the first season in the 2nd Tier and with opposition like Chelsea, Newcastle, West Ham etc filling the away end, the average attendance was 8758, so I'm afraid the chance of "sell outs" every other week are fantasy, the average the season before when winning the League was 6102. |
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Post by servernaside on Aug 19, 2024 10:55:57 GMT 1
That was in response to this... We never expected to beat them yesterday.That's in response to a League One home game against Peterborough United. Thankfully we now seem to have a manager in place who at least wants to move us on from this mentality. It seems some of our fans haven't, however. How sad. As for relegation, if you ever see me post something along the lines of "we didn't expect to stay up anyway" then get back to me. It just shows how long we have been neglected and how far we have fallen behind, that such a malaise and mentality has infested itself throughout the core of our club. We must always be allowed to dream big, and demand better. Otherwise what is the point. I’ll never give in to those wishing to suppress any scintilla of expectation Fallen behind who exactly? |
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Post by servernaside on Aug 19, 2024 11:02:08 GMT 1
Blue and amber won’t change as our fans have been conditioned to accept the “little old Shrewsbury under the benevolent Wychley” myth. Even if we finish bottom we’ll see these fans at the end of the year say “ah well, we can’t compete so what do you expect? It’s okay we are back to our level” acting like this isn’t our level. This is our level and frankly before Hollywood FC started marching up the divisions we were the ideal club to buy and invest in. Five years ago we had no major competitors for market share with Hereford, Chester, Wrexham and co all gone and no big city like Birmingham or Wolverhampton hoovering up fans in the town. That stadium, with proper investment and ownership could have led to sellouts every week with proper local initiatives. The corners could have been filled and we could have had attendances around the 10k mark every week with a competitive team on the field. I feel that chance is gone now though as I’m seeing kids across Shropshire with Wrexham shirts on. Also looking at the maintenance on the ground this weekend I’m struck by two things. First how indefensible it is to have a third tier professional football league club with bird s*** on seats, cobwebs at the back of block 2 and clearly no basic standards of cleanliness. I don’t care if you are Roland in or out that stadium is not in the condition it should be for fans. Secondly if this is what Oldham fans saw when they saw their team tumble out of league one as the club had no investment and the ground was rotting around them. You must be joking. We can't even completely sell out the home stands when we draw Man Utd in the cup. Filling in the corners? Where do you think all these 'fans' are coming from? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2024 11:32:11 GMT 1
'18/'19 it was 2 points.
'20/'21 there was 7 points in it, which is almost creditable.
Last season we stayed up by 4 points.
Our squad this year is poorer than last seasons squad, we have played two, lost two in the league and scraped past a league 2 team in the cup.
How many of the last 10 years have you spent looking up the table with optimism rather than looking down with trepidation? I can think of 2.
You failed to name our biggest relegation game , not once have we kicked off with just 2 games remaining with relegation still a possibility That's pretty good for a yo-yo club which is what we we're at best 10 seasons ago Would you rather be looking up the table and being remotely excited about pushing for the playoffs or looking down and working out where we can pick up enough points to avoid a late scrap to avoid relegation? One great season in ten, with another top half finish . Not great is it? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 19, 2024 12:09:05 GMT 1
You failed to name our biggest relegation game , not once have we kicked off with just 2 games remaining with relegation still a possibility That's pretty good for a yo-yo club which is what we we're at best 10 seasons ago Would you rather be looking up the table and being remotely excited about pushing for the playoffs or looking down and working out where we can pick up enough points to avoid a late scrap to avoid relegation? One great season in ten, with another top half finish . Not great is it? I'd rather us be winning the league , premier league , fa cup, league cup , champions league the lot We all have dreams , I just don't cry when they unrealistically don't happen , 2017/18 I still don't know how it happened , it was like 1979 ( almost ) so once and almost twice now in 138 years we've made the 2nd tier |
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Post by wakemanender on Aug 19, 2024 12:19:48 GMT 1
I personally and without any ambition whatsoever enjoy being a supporter of a lower league club. It has done me well for seventy years. I have no interest in the Championship or the Premier league. I sometimes look at the National league and below and see some clubs who we used to play years ago and am very grateful that thanks to Roland we are still in the league. I sadly fully expect us to be relegated this season thanks to Caldwell and Cotterill but hope for some success in League 2. Ive admitted that I have no big ambition for the club and further admit being a miserable old git but I was always at my happiest at the Gay Meadow and am content at the New Meadow. We are what we are and if you cant accept that maybe its time to latch onto a plastic club like Wrexham like so many others have done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2024 14:13:14 GMT 1
Would you rather be looking up the table and being remotely excited about pushing for the playoffs or looking down and working out where we can pick up enough points to avoid a late scrap to avoid relegation? One great season in ten, with another top half finish . Not great is it? I'd rather us be winning the league , premier league , fa cup, league cup , champions league the lot We all have dreams , I just don't cry when they unrealistically don't happen , 2017/18 I still don't know how it happened , it was like 1979 ( almost ) so once and almost twice now in 138 years we've made the 2nd tier I don't think anyone on here realistically expects us to be winning competitions or promotions every year, but to at least make a decent fist of trying every year should be the bare minimum. Every year I hope that this season is going to be the one and everyone should be hoping for the same, rather than accepting that just staying up is as good as we can hope for. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2024 14:18:08 GMT 1
I personally and without any ambition whatsoever enjoy being a supporter of a lower league club. It has done me well for seventy years. I have no interest in the Championship or the Premier league. I sometimes look at the National league and below and see some clubs who we used to play years ago and am very grateful that thanks to Roland we are still in the league. I sadly fully expect us to be relegated this season thanks to Caldwell and Cotterill but hope for some success in League 2. Ive admitted that I have no big ambition for the club and further admit being a miserable old git but I was always at my happiest at the Gay Meadow and am content at the New Meadow. We are what we are and if you cant accept that maybe its time to latch onto a plastic club like Wrexham like so many others have done. I'm a Shrewsbury Town supporter, end of. To suggest that those that wish for some tangible success for our club are plastic fans and should change their allegiance is offensive. You might be along some others happy to plod along in the lower reaches of this league with the odd drop down and maybe a promotion back up if we're lucky, but some of us want to see the club at least competing for top half finishes and maybe the occasional flirt with the playoffs. |
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Not because he happens to own and run the club and that the club has stalled and has shown no progress whatsoever since we arrived at this level again some ten years ago? Is that it? 
