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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 17, 2024 19:23:53 GMT 1
I thought at least with Hurst the squad would be super fit, but seeing comments regarding Toto and Pierre that doesn't appear to be the case, what have they been doing all pre season? The two centre backs could be as fit as Butcher's dogs but that doesn’t make them quick. All the extra training in the world won’t add pace otherwise I might have a go at making the next Olympics as a sprinter! |
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Post by harboroughshrew on Aug 17, 2024 19:41:35 GMT 1
A very worrying performance that mirrored a few home games (like Orient and Wycombe) towards the end of last season. This team looks nothing like a Hurst team - remember the two holding midfielders Ogogo and Godfrey from 'the Hurst season' who shielded their defence brilliantly and the ferocious way that Whalley and Rodman would protect their full-backs. Hoole and Benning were up against two of the best wingers in this division today and got zero help from our wide midfielders. Only Winchester seemed able to stop the Posh players running right through the middle and he cannot play them on his own.
Stowmarket Shrew put it more eloquently than I can but I largely agree with him - the worry is that, if the club continues to be run like this, we will pretty soon be languishing in League 2 and not even being competitive in that. Hurst has been given a pretty easy ride by the fans so far (and perhaps deservedly so given his past exploits with us and some improved away results since he returned) but, even with the poor hand he has been dealt, he just has to get this team better organised and turn around our dreadful home form under him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 19:54:29 GMT 1
There’s nothing more than many people on this forum like than a good meltdown. Throwing their toys out of the pram is something they must look forward to during the week. I appreciate everyone has their own view here, and some see this as meltdown. Not all of us do, and in my opinion I'm not 'melting down', I'm carefully and gently expressing my supreme displeasure. It's not just about today's performance and result either, this has been building for at least 18 months, and what we're seeing is the culmination and reality of the level of investment that we're making (or, in our case, not making), and the stark reality of exactly how far (or not) that goes at this level, in what is an uber competitive league this season. For me it's a mixture of frustration, annoyance and apathy, and a sense that Roland's appalling recent stewardship of the club, his arrogant failure to take any responsibility for the overspend, and his stubbornness to sell the club when by all accounts there was interest, has got us into this sorry, sorry state. Hurst can only do what he can do with what he's given, and when your recruitment strategy starts with bargain basement injury prone journeymen, he's got little to no chance. Yes, Peterborough are a good side, credit where it's due, but not only did they absolutely rip us a new one but, and more worryingly, we offered absolutely no resilience or stubbornness at the back, with our league 2 (at best) defence dragged all over the place. It'll be the same against Birmingham and Wrexham and Huddersfield and Bolton and Barnsley and Rotherham and even Stockport and probably Mansfield. Unable to compete off the pitch and with absolutely no chance on it. There's a sense that the rot and, worse still, the apathy is spreading. Roland's delinquency has got us in this mess and his stubbornness will lead us to league two, where his asset will be worth even less. I genuinely hope I'm wrong, and my support will never waver, and hasn't for one single day since my first match in February 1989, despite it being almost 25 years now since I left Shrewsbury. I was at Stevenage last week and will be doing the almost 450 mile round trip from Suffolk to Huddersfield next week, and I'll continue to do so for the rest of my life but, sorry, to suggest this is a meltdown is way off beam, and doesn't appreciate that, for some of us, this is NOT a knee jerk reaction to today's pathetic performance, rather it is a considered reaction to the way that Roland has mismanaged 'our' (yes, I know Roland owns the legal entity, but show me any real fan who doesn't agree that the fans own the spirit of a club, always have, always will) club and to his arrogant and aloof failure to take any responsibility as Chairman for the mess he has allowed this club to become. He has enough credit in the bank from me that I won't direct anything other than frustrated annoyance at him rather than true vitriol (although I don't expect all to be so kind) but, Roland, it is time to go! Good post. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 17, 2024 19:55:24 GMT 1
Have a day off Pilch, it’s boring Well, that takes the biscuit, people go on and on about bids that might or might not have happened, then, when people question it it's them that are told to "Have a day off". We have all heard about possible past bids, but only bids that might happen from now are of any relevance. Any older bids just ain't going to happen now! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 19:56:01 GMT 1
Dave Walton was pretty slow wasn't his nickname stitch, didn't mean he performed the way Pierre and Nsiala did today.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 19:57:34 GMT 1
A new season and our home form since Paul Hurst returned continues to be a worry.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 17, 2024 19:57:53 GMT 1
Have a day off Pilch, it’s boring were you signing the chairmans praises were you at 1-0 Up Mug |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 20:01:08 GMT 1
It important not to overreact but I definitely think we'll be relegated by game 44.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 17, 2024 20:07:09 GMT 1
You know full well what that's referring to... The blinded defence of the club is becoming more and more out of touch with what this club really needs. Change and investment and positive forward thinking. I have no idea what you are referring to , please give full details otherwise it looks like you a presuming s**te that didn't happen |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 17, 2024 20:11:27 GMT 1
It important not to overreact but I definitely think we'll be relegated by game 44. We might well be , I blame the new owners for not buying |
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Post by wookeywombat on Aug 17, 2024 20:14:13 GMT 1
Have a day off Pilch, it’s boring You were signing the chairmans praises were you at 1-0 Up Mug I was under the impression under the new directive everyone was supposed to be polite to each other. |
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Post by hectord0g137 on Aug 17, 2024 20:15:17 GMT 1
Fact 1 no one has any facts
Fact 2 everyone knows more than anyone else
Fact 3 both Fact 1 and 2 are true to those that believe them
Fact 4 most people are laughing at the implausability of Fact 1 and 2
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Post by Pilch on Aug 17, 2024 20:18:52 GMT 1
You were signing the chairmans praises were you at 1-0 Up Mug I was under the impression under the new directive everyone was supposed to be polite to each other. Have a day off you're boring |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 20:27:55 GMT 1
I was under the impression under the new directive everyone was supposed to be polite to each other. Have a day off you're boring No Pilch that's you. End of. You're not even defending the mess anymore! |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 17, 2024 20:29:21 GMT 1
Have a day off you're boring No Pilch that's you. End of. You're not even defending the mess anymore! Have a day off , your boring ( standard reply if you can't be bothered to debate , I'm a fast learner ) |
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Post by southshropblue on Aug 17, 2024 20:29:42 GMT 1
3 people today told me they think the club is stagnating- I dont think they are wrong
I dont mind losing to as good a side as Posh are this season -though the late goals given away were very poor and we need to recruit at centre back
If there is a plan for the whole club going forward ,it is hard to discern what it is .There seems to be little vision and little passion, little innovation which is all very worrying Hoping for better times ahead
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Post by Pilch on Aug 17, 2024 20:30:59 GMT 1
If only Roland had popped that header in
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Post by southstandviewer on Aug 17, 2024 20:34:06 GMT 1
We were out played today by a slicker quicker and fluid team, we battled hard for 60 mins but without Feeney we crumbled. We cannot rely on long range inaccurate passes from the back. When we tried to keep it on the ground it was better but we didn’t cope with their press where as they did with ours.
Marquis is not alone striker and so could do little. Hoole looked shot on 70 and was exposed time and time again.
Their keeper was lucky not to be booked and the header off the line would have made it 2-2, I’m not saying they wouldn’t have score against as us again but we tried.
Yes they could had more as well, how they missed from 2 yards was jaw dropping and also another what if.
We will improve but it might be painful for a while.
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Post by aw on Aug 17, 2024 20:34:30 GMT 1
If only Roland had popped that header in Think you'll find he's at St.Mirren now |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 17, 2024 20:38:56 GMT 1
We were out played today by a slicker quicker and fluid team, we battled hard for 60 mins but without Feeney we crumbled. We cannot rely on long range inaccurate passes from the back. When we tried to keep it on the ground it was better but we didn’t cope with their press where as they did with ours. Marquis is not alone striker and so could do little. Hoole looked shot on 70 and was exposed time and time again. Their keeper was lucky not to be booked and the header off the line would have made it 2-2, I’m not saying they wouldn’t have score against as us again but we tried. Yes they could had more as well, how they missed from 2 yards was jaw dropping and also another what if. We will improve but it might be painful for a while. Good review , exactly what happened 👍 |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 17, 2024 20:39:46 GMT 1
If only Roland had popped that header in Think you'll find he's at St.Mirren now Equally at fault 😝 |
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Post by lancsman on Aug 17, 2024 20:39:52 GMT 1
All being said …… right know Hurst is between the devil and the deep blue sea.
He needs a red dragon from somewhere.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 17, 2024 21:06:50 GMT 1
If only Roland had popped that header in Think you'll find he's at St.Mirren now Thing is, is Idowu going to sell the club? 😀 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 21:41:47 GMT 1
The problem is whilst it’s laudable that we’re trying to play more football and commit more numbers forward, the defence cannot cope when the opposition get past the midfield and are running at them. Not one of Hoole, Nsiala, Pierre or Benning look up to it defensively, and without resulting back to turgid safety first football with 10 bodies camped in our own box, I can’t see how things will improve at the back.
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Post by dibblydobbly on Aug 17, 2024 22:07:43 GMT 1
It’s all the myth of Roland Wychley. The man who saved us from destruction and the safe pair of hands who only ever does things in the best interests of Shrewsbury Town Football Club. Every single person and local businessman who’s tried to invest in the football club and buy part ownership has come into the football club fronting money but has been kicked out of the revolving door falling out with Roland. Was that in the best interests of Shrewsbury town or Roland Wychley? Moving to the new ground made us stabilise as a league two outfit at the time and surrounding ground was purchased with massive value into the future for development. Was that in the best interests of Shrewsbury town or Roland Wychley? Some of the land has been sold off to Aldi and local businesses the past few years and yet that money doesn’t seem to have been in the club accounts as far as I can tell. Was that in the best interests of Shrewsbury town or Roland Wychley? Running a balance of payments every season in league one, ensuring that the club never needs to have money put it from outside sources. Was that in the best interests of Shrewsbury town or Roland Wychley? When Steve and Brian overspent and the club lost money whilst Roland wasn’t watching the books, Roland made up the difference ensuring that his investment would survive and not lose value. Was that in the best interests of Shrewsbury town or Roland Wychley? Making Micky Moore Director of Football and ensuring the club would pick up bargains without the need for significant investment and trying to maintain our status as a league one club, hanging on every year. Was that in the best interests of Shrewsbury town or Roland Wychley? Roland is not a messiah and he’s ruining this football club. Has your keyboard jammed ? Just a point of clarity - Some Land was sold to LIDL and is properly reported in the June 2017 accounts. Not aware of any other sales of land to anyone else. Companies house page to get there is: find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00315587/filing-history?page=2Most of your list seems to be in he best interest of the football club, but I am sure I am usually wrong |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2024 22:17:59 GMT 1
I have no idea how our budget compares to previous seasons. That remains to be seen. Recruitment has been poor but of course PH acolytes will have the MM card to play. If anyone thinks that MM brought in Hurst, Doig, Nsiala and Nolan then they need a word with themselves. We can finger-point and blame all we like but Hurst has a job to do. If he can't do it, then he needs to jog on. Just like everything FL manager who can't put points on the board. Who do we then bring in? And to do what? How many managers have we had since we returned to League One? Lets leave aside the play-off season under Hurst because clearly that was a flash in the pan as we haven't come anywhere near again since. So we had Mellon, Askey, Ricketts, Cotterill, Taylor (and now back to Hurst). Of all those listed only one of them led us to a top half finish (just) and that was because, apparently, he overspent (as in, we couldn't afford a 12th place finish). All the others led us to 20th, 18th, 18th, 17th and 18th (leaving aside the season cut short by Covid) and more than once we have needed to replace the manager as there was a danger we were heading for relegation. So when I look to that, I'm now at the stage where I do not think changing manager will make any difference. Because it hasn't. I wouldn't say I'm a Hurst acolyte nor will I look to play the MM card, there is only one mainstay throughout all this and as far as I can see unless there is a change in ownership or we get additional investment then moving from one manager to the other seems akin to nothing more than rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. Early days yet of course. But three games in and no wins. It was poor against Stevenage. We managed a draw at home to a side in the division below having conceded three to them. Posh tore us a new one today. Not the best start. Hopefully Hurst can improve on things. But if he doesn't (lets hope he can!!) I do hope that the focus will be switched, if even somewhat, from the manager this time around.👍
Good post.
RW has been in charge for 28 years and in that time has got through 18 managers, starting with Fred Davies through to Matt Taylor and is now trying his luck with Hurst for a 2nd time. Of those 18 previous managers none have gone onto to noticeably bigger or better things, showing me that the chairman is clearly not a competent recruiter. The only thing close to a major success was Hurst first time around, but then he jumped ship to a higher level , however that plainly wasn't a success, seeing as he's back here trying to rebuild his reputation.
How much money do you reckon we've spent over those 28 years cancelling contracts for managers and coaching staff? How many players have those 18 managers brought in that were clearly not good enough and had their contracts paid up or sat out half their contract not even on the bench? How many players have we failed to tie down to longer term contracts for them to leave for nothing? How many of those managers have been left high and dry by the funds or lack thereof to bring in the players that we need to be competitive at this level? Personally I blame the chairman for bringing in mostly sub-par managers and then going on to hamstring them, giving them almost no chance to be successful. I've lost count of the executives that we've had even since the move to the new ground, most of which have been paid off. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pound flushed away. The buck stops at the chairmans door.
How many times does the band on the Titanic need to change the tune before someone realises that the bloody ship is going down regardless? The club has been treading water for at least 2 decades and in his 24 years in charge we have spent 16 of them in the fourth tier or lower. Since the change from North and South divisions in 1958 until RW took charge we spent around half a dozen seasons in the bottom tier. He has been a far from successful chairman over his tenure, even taking us down to the dark place which we were very fortunate to escape from, as over the season we certainly didn't deserve to get out.
The amount of sycophants saying how great it was that he saved the club is frankly puke inducing. He almost destroyed us when he put Ratcliffe in charge and only a huge slice of luck got us out of the Conference. If not for that luck we would have likely disappeared into the oblivion of non-league football or worse. How many would singing his praises then?
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Post by rickyspanish on Aug 17, 2024 22:50:07 GMT 1
Puke inducing 😳
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Post by Mr Brightside on Aug 17, 2024 22:51:51 GMT 1
Wow….. This must be a record number of dummies being spat out of prams. Can I remind everyone that this was our first home game of the season. Possibly against a team that will have designs on promotion. Calm down everyone… Only most people's 'meltdowns' are actually quite well considered concerns about the club's ownership and future - and nothing to do with the events on the pitch. These concerns haven't just suddenly reared their head because Toto Nsiala can't cope with League One forwards, I can assure you. |
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Post by belfastshrew on Aug 18, 2024 0:15:03 GMT 1
Hmm...I don't understand the doom and gloom...last 2 or 3 seasons we were asking for entertaining football. There's losing bad and there's losing good. We lost good today. The scoreline totally flattered them. We were equal for 80% of that game.
We are attacking ladies and gentlemen. Can you remember what that feels like? I barely can. We are threatening, and getting bodies forward. Long balls are actually being held up and chased for. Crosses are coming in. The players believe.
We should too.
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Post by shrewswolf on Aug 18, 2024 1:15:01 GMT 1
Hmm...I don't understand the doom and gloom...last 2 or 3 seasons we were asking for entertaining football. There's losing bad and there's losing good. We lost good today. The scoreline totally flattered them. We were equal for 80% of that game. We are attacking ladies and gentlemen. Can you remember what that feels like? I barely can. We are threatening, and getting bodies forward. Long balls are actually being held up and chased for. Crosses are coming in. The players believe. We should too. I agree we are trying to attack, and it’s refreshing, but to say we were equal for 80% of the game is absolute madness. P’boro were ‘next level’ once they rode our early storm. |
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