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Post by cabanas2017 on Jul 30, 2024 22:45:09 GMT 1
Big shout to GB Gold winners in the 4x200 meters freestyle. Fantastic performance and the same swimming team winning Gold in 2 successive Olympics
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 1, 2024 7:17:31 GMT 1
Pretty sure someone mentioned that this is the best ever start to an Olympics for GB. Not too shabby.
Not sure if anyone else has caught the tennis but Murray and Evans seem determined to put us through the mill. Both their two games have been enthralling, coming back twice when they looked dead and buried. What must be going through Murray's mind each time considering this will no doubt be his last appearance on a court I have no idea. But I think they go again today. Fingers crossed.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 2, 2024 13:49:19 GMT 1
You train so hard to get into the Olympics and then face such an unfair opponent, I felt very sorry for the Italian boxer but I am relieved she was not seriously hurt.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 2, 2024 14:46:09 GMT 1
Three gold medals on Friday - I remember when we'd struggle to get around that number across an entire Games.
Great effort.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 2, 2024 16:29:07 GMT 1
You train so hard to get into the Olympics and then face such an unfair opponent, I felt very sorry for the Italian boxer but I am relieved she was not seriously hurt. just seen it, felt sorry for the Italian girl, when did they introduce domestic violence to the olympics ? its a disgrace really |
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Aug 2, 2024 16:47:24 GMT 1
You train so hard to get into the Olympics and then face such an unfair opponent, I felt very sorry for the Italian boxer but I am relieved she was not seriously hurt. just seen it, felt sorry for the Italian girl, when did they introduce domestic violence to the olympics ? its a disgrace really This is a strange one, the Algerian didn't come out of nowhere and has been boxing for a number of years and has lost to women. Why has it suddenly become a cause célèbre? Has the sort of damage that was inflicted on the Italian occurred in other fights? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 2, 2024 16:59:08 GMT 1
just seen it, felt sorry for the Italian girl, when did they introduce domestic violence to the olympics ? its a disgrace really This is a strange one, the Algerian didn't come out of nowhere and has been boxing for a number of years and has lost to women. Why has it suddenly become a cause célèbre? Has the sort of damage that was inflicted on the Italian occurred in other fights? I guess if it was ever going to hit the headlines it was at the olympics, not sure what the solution is but something seems wrong and needs fixing for sure |
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 2, 2024 19:37:51 GMT 1
You train so hard to get into the Olympics and then face such an unfair opponent, I felt very sorry for the Italian boxer but I am relieved she was not seriously hurt. It was utterly disgraceful, when will this gender nonsense ever end… |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2024 20:35:25 GMT 1
Can someone explain precisely the issue they have with the Algerian girl? Cheers.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 2, 2024 21:13:37 GMT 1
Can someone explain precisely the issue they have with the Algerian girl? Cheers. you mean IMANE ? how is that pronounced out of curiosity ? are you serious ? heres my problem, its like putting an 8 year old male in the ring v Tyson fury and saying, what's the problem ? we dont need to explain just so you can start a petty war of words and pop a label on someone, the problem is clear to most something is wrong even if the paperwork suggests all is ok |
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Post by mcrshrew on Aug 2, 2024 23:23:24 GMT 1
Some clarification is needed here - Imane Khelif is not transgender and has not (I think) had any of the procedures to change sex / gender etc, but I think is actually one of those extremely rare cases of biological anomalies / intersex or similar (the exact information is not readily available.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 3, 2024 7:57:03 GMT 1
Big shout to GB Gold winners in the 4x200 meters freestyle. Fantastic performance and the same swimming team winning Gold in 2 successive Olympics as the saying goes sort of, never change a swimming team  |
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Post by manshrew on Aug 3, 2024 8:47:59 GMT 1
R.e the boxer - born a woman, is a woman (yes I admit somewhere along the line something happened with hormones) but still a woman. She is NOT transgender.
Just to put into context - if a heavyweight boxer is a man and just made the weight and one is 2 stone heavier, do we say anything? NO! We just say blimey he's a bit heavier, he'll have to be savvy to miss his punch.
Like someone else has posted, she has been beaten, so just need to change tactics.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 3, 2024 9:01:17 GMT 1
R.e the boxer - born a woman, is a woman (yes I admit somewhere along the line something happened with hormones) but still a woman. She is NOT transgender. Just to put into context - if a heavyweight boxer is a man and just made the weight and one is 2 stone heavier, do we say anything? NO! We just say blimey he's a bit heavier, he'll have to be savvy to miss his punch. Like someone else has posted, she has been beaten, so just need to change tactics. thats hardly a fair comparison , youve ignored the other 16 weight categories where 2 grams can make a difference , never mind 2 stones and also youve picked the male version of the sport where a guy at the top of his game isn't going to be troubled if he faces another guy that is basically a girl the Italian girl did change her tactics, she feared for her health so quit |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 3, 2024 9:37:24 GMT 1
Can only go on the information available of course but Khelif and Yu-ting were previously disqualified from competing because they had both failed IBA eligibility tests (Khelif at least, more than once). In 2023, IBA president Umar Kremlev said that DNA tests "proved they had XY chromosomes".
So whilst the IBA have such tests and criteria, the IOC simply go on what is written in someone's passport. Hence why both have been allowed to compete in the Olympics but are disqualified from other competitions.
However, from what is reported the IBA criteria will be introduced to the Olympics perhaps as soon as 2028.
Just to add, I don't see the relevance of whether either are trans gender (I don't think anyone here has claimed that). When it comes to sporting competition and more so combat sports the question is whether they are male or female. It is the safety of the competitors which is the priority, that overrides all else.
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Post by mattmw on Aug 3, 2024 10:51:02 GMT 1
Can only go on the information available of course but Khelif and Yu-ting were previously disqualified from competing because they had both failed IBA eligibility tests (Khelif at least, more than once). In 2023, IBA president Umar Kremlev said that DNA tests "proved they had XY chromosomes". So whilst the IBA have such tests and criteria, the IOC simply go on what is written in someone's passport. Hence why both have been allowed to compete in the Olympics but are disqualified from other competitions. However, from what is reported the IBA criteria will be introduced to the Olympics perhaps as soon as 2028. Just to add, I don't see the relevance of whether either are trans gender (I don't think anyone here has claimed that). When it comes to sporting competition and more so combat sports the question is whether they are male or female. It is the safety of the competitors which is the priority, that overrides all else. Reading on the BBC site last night isn’t there some concern on the IBA tests as they haven’t been made public and subject to peer review? It’s all quite confusing and way outside my knowledge base but the IBA is Russian led and so may have had some bias to it due to the Russian doping issues which have seen them banned from the Olympics - that seems the suggestion anyway All seems very hard to navigate but think it’s hard on all the athletes to have it take place within the games should have been sorted before hand |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 3, 2024 12:01:32 GMT 1
Can only go on the information available of course but Khelif and Yu-ting were previously disqualified from competing because they had both failed IBA eligibility tests (Khelif at least, more than once). In 2023, IBA president Umar Kremlev said that DNA tests "proved they had XY chromosomes". So whilst the IBA have such tests and criteria, the IOC simply go on what is written in someone's passport. Hence why both have been allowed to compete in the Olympics but are disqualified from other competitions. However, from what is reported the IBA criteria will be introduced to the Olympics perhaps as soon as 2028. Just to add, I don't see the relevance of whether either are trans gender (I don't think anyone here has claimed that). When it comes to sporting competition and more so combat sports the question is whether they are male or female. It is the safety of the competitors which is the priority, that overrides all else. Reading on the BBC site last night isn’t there some concern on the IBA tests as they haven’t been made public and subject to peer review? Yeah, something like that. Apparently the method and results remain confidential. I'm unsure how old either fighter is and whether they mean to compete at the next Olympics but it will be interesting to see if they allow themselves to be tested if required. I mean its reported on the BBC that when it came to the decision made by the IBA to disqualify them for IBA competition, Yu-ting did not appeal and Khelif did make an appeal but then later withdrew it. Other than that, I guess there is a fair bit of pushback because both fighters have been tested and disqualified previously and so people think they know that they should not be entering the ring with women as a result (but choose to do so anyhow). But then of course both wish to compete and if they are permitted to do so then they will of course do so (all involved have worked hard on their sport and want to compete). I think its possible to feel some empathy for all involved. Mind you, I'm not sure the current IOC's criteria (going on what is included on someone's passport) is sustainable. |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 3, 2024 15:52:28 GMT 1
(if anyone wants to continue the boxing debate, please start a new thread)
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Post by mattmw on Aug 3, 2024 15:56:29 GMT 1
Men's cycling road race coming towards a conclusion and a great atmosphere in the streets of Paris as they near the last 25Km of the race. The event is really showing the city off very well. Never visited Paris but looks very nice in the sun
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Post by Pilch on Aug 3, 2024 16:13:13 GMT 1
Men's cycling road race coming towards a conclusion and a great atmosphere in the streets of Paris as they near the last 25Km of the race. The event is really showing the city off very well. Never visited Paris but looks very nice in the sun yes, had it on for a while on and off, seems a completely different race to when they were in the hills  |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 3, 2024 16:28:19 GMT 1
lol, the guy in the lead, gets a puncture , managed to find a spare bike and get a push, just behind him is a guy on a motorcycle and one in a car, i love these fair sports ;-)
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Post by mattmw on Aug 3, 2024 17:37:05 GMT 1
lol, the guy in the lead, gets a puncture , managed to find a spare bike and get a push, just behind him is a guy on a motorcycle and one in a car, i love these fair sports ;-) I'd cycle more if a team of engineers in a van followed me everywhere with food, drink and a spare bike incase I get a puncture. I did enjoy the race but surely if you bike goes wrong thats all part of the sport and you shouldn't get a new one if it goes wrong? |
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Post by servernaside on Aug 3, 2024 18:09:15 GMT 1
lol, the guy in the lead, gets a puncture , managed to find a spare bike and get a push, just behind him is a guy on a motorcycle and one in a car, i love these fair sports ;-) I'd cycle more if a team of engineers in a van followed me everywhere with food, drink and a spare bike incase I get a puncture. I did enjoy the race but surely if you bike goes wrong thats all part of the sport and you shouldn't get a new one if it goes wrong? Would that logic apply if a football match was being played and the ball burst? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 3, 2024 18:14:04 GMT 1
I'd cycle more if a team of engineers in a van followed me everywhere with food, drink and a spare bike incase I get a puncture. I did enjoy the race but surely if you bike goes wrong thats all part of the sport and you shouldn't get a new one if it goes wrong? Would that logic apply if a football match was being played and the ball burst? yes, the trainer would come on, drop the new ball to Pierre and then get behind him and give him a push ;-) |
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Post by mattmw on Aug 3, 2024 18:24:00 GMT 1
I'd cycle more if a team of engineers in a van followed me everywhere with food, drink and a spare bike incase I get a puncture. I did enjoy the race but surely if you bike goes wrong thats all part of the sport and you shouldn't get a new one if it goes wrong? Would that logic apply if a football match was being played and the ball burst? We'll no because if you don't replace the ball in football no one can play? I'm not knocking cyclists as they seem as hard as nails and do suffer some horrific injuries but surely keeping you bike working correctly should be an important part of the competition and if it goes wrong you should be penalised in some way? |
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Aug 3, 2024 18:24:14 GMT 1
Is there any good events / finals on tonight worth watching?
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Post by mattmw on Aug 3, 2024 18:24:50 GMT 1
Would that logic apply if a football match was being played and the ball burst? yes, the trainer would come on, drop the new ball to Pierre and then get behind him and give him a push ;-) At times with Pierre's fitness that might not be a bad idea! |
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Post by mattmw on Aug 3, 2024 18:30:51 GMT 1
Is there any good events / finals on tonight worth watching? Women's 100 metre final at 8.20 which should see 37 year old Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce complete in her 5th Olympic final which is some going for a sprinter, although Richardson from USA is most likely winner of the Gold Edit - scrap that Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce is out of the semi finals which is a shame |
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Aug 3, 2024 18:34:34 GMT 1
Would that logic apply if a football match was being played and the ball burst? We'll no because if you don't replace the ball in football no one can play? I'm not knocking cyclists as they seem as hard as nails and do suffer some horrific injuries but surely keeping you bike working correctly should be an important part of the competition and if it goes wrong you should be penalised in some way? So you think that a rider with about 2 miles to go, having ridden for over 160 miles and has a 1.5 minute lead shouldn’t be allowed to finish because of having the misfortune to get a puncture? |
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Post by Pilch on Aug 3, 2024 18:37:39 GMT 1
Would that logic apply if a football match was being played and the ball burst? We'll no because if you don't replace the ball in football no one can play? I'm not knocking cyclists as they seem as hard as nails and do suffer some horrific injuries but surely keeping you bike working correctly should be an important part of the competition and if it goes wrong you should be penalised in some way? no sure if you know but im curious to find out, was it it own spare bike or just a generic spare ? and does every competitor have the same luxury ? fair enough if they all do id have been happy to see him get chucked one of those aerosole repair foam kits, and not have a push ;-) |
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