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Post by gtismygod on Jun 28, 2024 17:56:19 GMT 1
I think this whole story has been debunked really. The Reform canvasser is clearly a freelance actor.
I didn’t for a minute believe that somebody canvassing and trying to win votes for Reform would be talking to the general public about “shooting p***s”. The whole thing is ridiculous.
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Post by gtismygod on Jun 28, 2024 18:02:50 GMT 1
Most polls are showing that this vile racist fascist party are falling back in the polls as people start to see their true colours. I very much doubt there vote share will get into double figures on the day. If they do poll better than the Lib Dems then it really is time to emigrate to a tolerant, open minded , progressive country. I believe the Tories will do better than most people think in part because the reform bubble has burst and people can see that Farage is a liar and a Charlatan just like Boris Do you people have any idea how silly you sound referring to any party that’s right of centre as “fascists”. Which of Reform’s policies are fascist? |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jun 28, 2024 19:17:56 GMT 1
I would argue Reform are actually losing momentum with the more coverage they get. JLPartners has them down 3 points to 15%. BMGResearch has them down by 3 points to 16%. Even YouGov and Survation have them down a point to 17% and 14% respectively. Don't get me wrong, very good numbers for a new party, but no denying their momentum has slowed down. Probably a more accurate picture of where things are - although I think there will be a few more switchers back to the Tories from Reform when stood in the ballot box. Loyalty to a party is hard to overcome. |
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Post by rob62 on Jun 28, 2024 20:09:30 GMT 1
Militarism is the belief or the desire of a government or a people that a state should maintain a strong military capability and to use it aggressively to expand national interests and/or values.[1] It may also imply the glorification of the military and of the ideals of a professional military class and the "predominance of the armed forces in the administration or policy of the state"[2] (see also: stratocracy and military junta).
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Post by rob62 on Jun 28, 2024 20:11:54 GMT 1
Sorry the first part of the definition of Fascist is missing (not great at cut and paste)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2024 20:43:36 GMT 1
Sorry the first part of the definition of Fascist is missing (not great at cut and paste) Sounds like Farage I would not say that Farage is an openly fascist, more nationalistic and populist, but many of his followers are, many more are racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic and extremely anti-Islamic. Just as Moseley was a decent orator for the right, so is Farage, however while Moseley was open about his prejudices Farage has so far stepped back from that. Other similarities are the public school educations, the Tory party memberships, the foreign backers, the less than open financial arrangements and strangely enough, even with all that privilege that they have both convinced thousands of working people that they are on their on their side. Finding 'others' to point the finger at for all that ails your life is a common human condition and both Moseley and Farage were/are very adept at guiding those fingers to the correct 'others'.
Farage is sensible enough to keep as far away as possible from Tommy 'Ten Names' Robinson in public and possibly in private too, but he understands that Robinson and his ilk are his core support, so won't go too far in his criticism of him. Funnily enough neither of them like immigrants or milkshakes.
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jun 28, 2024 20:45:40 GMT 1
24 years serving My country in the armed forces. I have NEVER voted either for Facisism or Right wing. You can be proud and want the best for the future of our country without preaching kneejerk Left wing rhetoric
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 28, 2024 20:50:48 GMT 1
Only support I’ve seen is posters and a big sign in Shawbury but that will help Lib Dem’s hopefully
(likely one ****** (censored to avoid political bias ) )
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 28, 2024 20:54:25 GMT 1
Most polls are showing that this vile racist fascist party are falling back in the polls as people start to see their true colours. I very much doubt there vote share will get into double figures on the day. If they do poll better than the Lib Dems then it really is time to emigrate to a tolerant, open minded , progressive country. I believe the Tories will do better than most people think in part because the reform bubble has burst and people can see that Farage is a liar and a Charlatan just like Boris Do you people have any idea how silly you sound referring to any party that’s right of centre as “fascists”. Which of Reform’s policies are fascist? You’re right, that leaves a liar and a Charlatan……. That’ll do ! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2024 21:11:58 GMT 1
24 years serving My country in the armed forces. I have NEVER voted either for Facisism or Right wing. You can be proud and want the best for the future of our country without preaching kneejerk Left wing rhetoric I would imagine that there are very few people in the UK that have voted for an openly fascist party, but well done you, award yourself a pat on the back.
There are a lot of things about this country that bring me pride, but also a great many things that I am ashamed of. Being left wing doesn't make me want less for the future of the country than you do, I just want it for everyone, regardless of race, religion, gender or sexuality.
Many of the greatest achievements of this country have been when Labour governments have been in power or when the workers demanded change from the Tories.
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jun 28, 2024 21:46:04 GMT 1
We agree on so may things Neil but don't ever patronise me you don't know me
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Post by Pilch on Jun 28, 2024 21:51:39 GMT 1
24 years serving My country in the armed forces. I have NEVER voted either for Facisism or Right wing. You can be proud and want the best for the future of our country without preaching kneejerk Left wing rhetoric I would imagine that there are very few people in the UK that have voted for an openly fascist party, but well done you, award yourself a pat on the back.
There are a lot of things about this country that bring me pride, but also a great many things that I am ashamed of. Being left wing doesn't make me want less for the future of the country than you do, I just want it for everyone, regardless of race, religion, gender or sexuality.
Many of the greatest achievements of this country have been when Labour governments have been in power or when the workers demanded change from the Tories.
can I just say that I'm one of the first who have been preparing myself for the new labour government, I've got myself a 3 day a week job ;-) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2024 22:02:35 GMT 1
Claiming the right are all raging facists and racists is like claiming the left are all communists and want uncontrolled immigration. Both completely false but helps with point scoring and to create divisions.
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Post by rob62 on Jun 28, 2024 22:31:23 GMT 1
Farage is a big fan of the far right in America and the lovely freedom loving man Putin.
You can judge a man by the company he keeps
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 7:40:34 GMT 1
We agree on so may things Neil but don't ever patronise me you don't know me Fair enough, I'm sorry. That was uncalled for. Maybe ease up on calling it lefty rhetoric when people point out the similarities between Farage, Moseley, Powell, Trump and Putin. It's not lefty to want to put that level of hate into the bin of history. Yes there has been left wing hate over the years, but that is firmly in the past. Fascism and right wing extremism has been growing faster than any time since the 1930s. Even you must see that. Even worse is that in most cases it is carrying a cross. Mixing religion and politics is never a good thing. |
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Post by darkshrew on Jun 29, 2024 8:33:03 GMT 1
I think this whole story has been debunked really. The Reform canvasser is clearly a freelance actor. I didn’t for a minute believe that somebody canvassing and trying to win votes for Reform would be talking to the general public about “shooting p***s”. The whole thing is ridiculous. Aside from Farage is there anybody else saying that the guy was acting rather than just being himself ? The guy in question denies he was acting which would be very brave if that is not the case given Farage's proclivity to litigate. Nobody knows what the truth is regarding this chap, but the other Reform campaigners in the program were nearly as bad and you could argue that the reporter could only film what was in front of him. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 29, 2024 8:56:28 GMT 1
We agree on so may things Neil but don't ever patronise me you don't know me Fair enough, I'm sorry. That was uncalled for. Maybe ease up on calling it lefty rhetoric when people point out the similarities between Farage, Moseley, Powell, Trump and Putin. It's not lefty to want to put that level of hate into the bin of history. Yes there has been left wing hate over the years, but that is firmly in the past. Fascism and right wing extremism has been growing faster than any time since the 1930s. Even you must see that. Even worse is that in most cases it is carrying a cross. Mixing religion and politics is never a good thing. Is this for real? 😂 |
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jun 29, 2024 8:59:24 GMT 1
Apology accepted. To avoid further confusion my political views are my own. I don't foist them on anyone. Ours is a fair minded and tolerant society and I worry it is changing for the worst. I do not like the cancel culture and shutting down free speach is a dangerous thing
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 29, 2024 10:16:23 GMT 1
Lord knows what's happening with the claims that the person who made racist comments is an actor; seems a bizarre claim but I guess that's a wait and see and whether more information comes to light but even so, its this sort of thing that makes me think it wouldn't be an altogether bad thing to see Farage elected. I say that as I think it would be no bad thing to see someone willing to call out this sort of thing (whereas I can only think too many are unwilling to do so for fear of being labeled this, that or the other by the usual idiots). Don't think it hurts to see such double standards and hypocrisy called out. I think he was polling ahead in Clapton from what I recall but then I haven't seen anything since these comments were caught on camera and reported. You would think it will hurt him and Reform. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 29, 2024 10:23:08 GMT 1
Lord knows what's happening with the claims that the person who made racist comments is an actor; seems a bizarre claim but I guess that's a wait and see and whether more information comes to light but even so, its this sort of thing that makes me think it wouldn't be an altogether bad thing to see Farage elected. I say that as I think it would be no bad thing to see someone willing to call out this sort of thing (whereas I can only think too many are unwilling to do so for fear of being labeled this, that or the other by the usual idiots). Don't think it hurts to see such double standards and hypocrisy called out. I think he was polling ahead in Clapton from what I recall but then I haven't seen anything since these comments were caught on camera and reported. You would think it will hurt him and Reform. Oh the bloke is 100% a certified actor - it’s all over his website. The question is, was he acting in these clips or not? Who knows. What we do know is very little can be hidden these days, with social media on everything. Farage took a barrage of vile questions and accusations on BBC question time last night - not a surprise… but Already 1 of the questioners in a tiny audience “proportionally selected” has been outed as a BBC Employee, and another as a far left pro Palestine protestor who has brought anti semitic racism and disruption to London for many months now. For a party polling 20% and right of centre parties polling 35-40%, it was as biased as an audience can get - but not surprising in any way |
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 29, 2024 10:32:06 GMT 1
Lord knows what's happening with the claims that the person who made racist comments is an actor; seems a bizarre claim but I guess that's a wait and see and whether more information comes to light but even so, its this sort of thing that makes me think it wouldn't be an altogether bad thing to see Farage elected. I say that as I think it would be no bad thing to see someone willing to call out this sort of thing (whereas I can only think too many are unwilling to do so for fear of being labeled this, that or the other by the usual idiots). Don't think it hurts to see such double standards and hypocrisy called out. I think he was polling ahead in Clapton from what I recall but then I haven't seen anything since these comments were caught on camera and reported. You would think it will hurt him and Reform. More interested in the polls in Clackton personally 😉 The ‘story’ of him being an actor seems to have been introduced some time after the event. Not sure what the technical term is but a load af b******s springs to mind. Is Farage really suggesting the media paid an actor to discredit UKIP Reform |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 29, 2024 10:35:02 GMT 1
Lord knows what's happening with the claims that the person who made racist comments is an actor; seems a bizarre claim but I guess that's a wait and see and whether more information comes to light but even so, its this sort of thing that makes me think it wouldn't be an altogether bad thing to see Farage elected. I say that as I think it would be no bad thing to see someone willing to call out this sort of thing (whereas I can only think too many are unwilling to do so for fear of being labeled this, that or the other by the usual idiots). Don't think it hurts to see such double standards and hypocrisy called out. I think he was polling ahead in Clapton from what I recall but then I haven't seen anything since these comments were caught on camera and reported. You would think it will hurt him and Reform. More interested in the polls in Clackton personally 😉 The ‘story’ of him being an actor seems to have been introduced some time after the event. Not sure what the technical term is but a load af b******s springs to mind. Is Farage really suggesting the media paid an actor to discredit UKIP Reform Suggest you do a little bit of research, he admitted himself he is an actor www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13579777/amp/Yes-actor-Reform-campaigner-Activist-filmed-calling-Rishi-P-says-goaded-remarks-claims-racist-hes-Muslim-girlfriends-insists-wasnt-paid-infiltrate-party.htmlSo per my previous post to Stuttgarter, yes he is confirmed to be an actor, no it’s not confirmed if he was or wasn’t “acting” in that video Not seen a Clacton poll myself, since Starmer told Labours racist candidate to stay away from the constituency and removed funding / support for him |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 29, 2024 10:46:53 GMT 1
Lord knows what's happening with the claims that the person who made racist comments is an actor; seems a bizarre claim but I guess that's a wait and see and whether more information comes to light but even so, its this sort of thing that makes me think it wouldn't be an altogether bad thing to see Farage elected. I say that as I think it would be no bad thing to see someone willing to call out this sort of thing (whereas I can only think too many are unwilling to do so for fear of being labeled this, that or the other by the usual idiots). Don't think it hurts to see such double standards and hypocrisy called out. I think he was polling ahead in Clapton from what I recall but then I haven't seen anything since these comments were caught on camera and reported. You would think it will hurt him and Reform. More interested in the polls in Clackton personally 😉 Thanks. Its just not on holding these elections during the Euros; what with watching games and searching for tickets I'm not able to put as much time as I would like into such things.  Clackton is it. Noted. 👍 |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 29, 2024 10:49:22 GMT 1
Lord knows what's happening with the claims that the person who made racist comments is an actor; seems a bizarre claim but I guess that's a wait and see and whether more information comes to light but even so, its this sort of thing that makes me think it wouldn't be an altogether bad thing to see Farage elected. I say that as I think it would be no bad thing to see someone willing to call out this sort of thing (whereas I can only think too many are unwilling to do so for fear of being labeled this, that or the other by the usual idiots). Don't think it hurts to see such double standards and hypocrisy called out. I think he was polling ahead in Clapton from what I recall but then I haven't seen anything since these comments were caught on camera and reported. You would think it will hurt him and Reform. Oh the bloke is 100% a certified actor - it’s all over his website. The question is, was he acting in these clips or not? Who knows. What we do know is very little can be hidden these days, with social media on everything. Farage took a barrage of vile questions and accusations on BBC question time last night - not a surprise… but Already 1 of the questioners in a tiny audience “proportionally selected” has been outed as a BBC Employee, and another as a far left pro Palestine protestor who has brought anti semitic racism and disruption to London for many months now. For a party polling 20% and right of centre parties polling 35-40%, it was as biased as an audience can get - but not surprising in any way Yeah, I've seen one or two of the questions asked and comments as a result. I gave up on the BBC some time ago...👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 14:05:22 GMT 1
Apology accepted. To avoid further confusion my political views are my own. I don't foist them on anyone. Ours is a fair minded and tolerant society and I worry it is changing for the worst. I do not like the cancel culture and shutting down free speach is a dangerous thing Free speech, yes. Hate speech, no. That goes for all sides. My political leanings are well known on here, but I don't foist them onto anyone. If someone doesn't like my opinions they are free to block me. The same goes for religion, I have zero time for any flavour of Sky Daddy, but accept that others do. That is their choice and as long as it does not have a detrimental effect on my or anyone else's life I would fight for their right to believe. You are correct that ours is supposed to be a fair minded and tolerant society, but can you honestly say that you have seen intolerance towards people in your daily life? Even on here and the clubs FB feed we still get the hatred showing through when the rainbow laces come out. I would consider myself to be moderately left wing, certainly more left than Blair or Starmer. Others would have me down as a raging commie. Go figure. Anyway have a great day. I'm saving my celebrations for Friday when there is no blue in Shropshire apart from when it is interspersed with amber. |
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Post by mattmw on Jun 29, 2024 14:28:17 GMT 1
I went along the BBC Question Time event last year at Telford, and that audience was pretty varied.
We got asked a lot of questions before being offered a place in the audience about past voting, where I worked, topics I was interested in etc before being offered a place in the audience. We had to get there 2 hours before filming so got to talk to a range of people there and it did seem a good cross section of views and political outlooks. Knowing the local political scene a few local councillors there from different parties too. So from my experience they did seem to have at least attempted to select a varied audience.
That was the standard 5 members of the panel though, rather than the single politician being asked questions, so maybe the different style meant they picked a different audience. I think as Reform have no record in government - either local or nationally - the questioning is likely to be very focused on Farage rather than policy which didn't really lead to much debate.
Looking at the Reform manifesto it has a right old mix of policies - some which I'd get along with like allowing more development on the green belt, introducing PR and raising the starting rate of income tax to take poorer families out of initial tax band. But its also mixed in with some pretty mad stuff thats not really explained how it would work in practice such as using the military to fery migrants back to France.
Think by its very nature their 2029 election manifesto will be much more structured and more focused on the centre ground if they want to be elected in significant numbers to influence power, rather than just be outside as loud voice with no real representation
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 29, 2024 14:44:35 GMT 1
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jun 29, 2024 14:48:52 GMT 1
Thanks Neil you have a great day too
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2024 14:59:59 GMT 1
I went along the BBC Question Time event last year at Telford, and that audience was pretty varied. We got asked a lot of questions before being offered a place in the audience about past voting, where I worked, topics I was interested in etc before being offered a place in the audience. We had to get there 2 hours before filming so got to talk to a range of people there and it did seem a good cross section of views and political outlooks. Knowing the local political scene a few local councillors there from different parties too. So from my experience they did seem to have at least attempted to select a varied audience. That was the standard 5 members of the panel though, rather than the single politician being asked questions, so maybe the different style meant they picked a different audience. I think as Reform have no record in government - either local or nationally - the questioning is likely to be very focused on Farage rather than policy which didn't really lead to much debate. Looking at the Reform manifesto it has a right old mix of policies - some which I'd get along with like allowing more development on the green belt, introducing PR and raising the starting rate of income tax to take poorer families out of initial tax band. But its also mixed in with some pretty mad stuff thats not really explained how it would work in practice such as using the military to fery migrants back to France. Think by its very nature their 2029 election manifesto will be much more structured and more focused on the centre ground if they want to be elected in significant numbers to influence power, rather than just be outside as loud voice with no real representation I was listening to Radio Shropshire yesterday and some of Reform candidates ideas around public transport in the north of the county did actually make sense. In Telford over the last couple of years the council have brought in buses that cover the rural area and run from South Telford to Hortonwood via Stafford Park and Halesfield. Now people from all over Telford can get to work for £2 each way. It was disappointing that the Labour candidate didn't suggest something along the same lines for other parts of the county. www.telford.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/26373/express_100_timetable_from_2_october_2023.pdfThe bus routes 99 - 105 are immensely popular. I expect that Arriva and the local taxi firms are a little miffed, but hey ho. |
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 29, 2024 17:47:39 GMT 1
I went along the BBC Question Time event last year at Telford, and that audience was pretty varied. We got asked a lot of questions before being offered a place in the audience about past voting, where I worked, topics I was interested in etc before being offered a place in the audience. We had to get there 2 hours before filming so got to talk to a range of people there and it did seem a good cross section of views and political outlooks. Knowing the local political scene a few local councillors there from different parties too. So from my experience they did seem to have at least attempted to select a varied audience. That was the standard 5 members of the panel though, rather than the single politician being asked questions, so maybe the different style meant they picked a different audience. I think as Reform have no record in government - either local or nationally - the questioning is likely to be very focused on Farage rather than policy which didn't really lead to much debate. Looking at the Reform manifesto it has a right old mix of policies - some which I'd get along with like allowing more development on the green belt, introducing PR and raising the starting rate of income tax to take poorer families out of initial tax band. But its also mixed in with some pretty mad stuff thats not really explained how it would work in practice such as using the military to fery migrants back to France. Think by its very nature their 2029 election manifesto will be much more structured and more focused on the centre ground if they want to be elected in significant numbers to influence power, rather than just be outside as loud voice with no real representation I was listening to Radio Shropshire yesterday and some of Reform candidates ideas around public transport in the north of the county did actually make sense. In Telford over the last couple of years the council have brought in buses that cover the rural area and run from South Telford to Hortonwood via Stafford Park and Halesfield. Now people from all over Telford can get to work for £2 each way. It was disappointing that the Labour candidate didn't suggest something along the same lines for other parts of the county. www.telford.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/26373/express_100_timetable_from_2_october_2023.pdfThe bus routes 99 - 105 are immensely popular. I expect that Arriva and the local taxi firms are a little miffed, but hey ho. My step son project managed and introduced them…… integrated to replace some costly school bus routes too…… |
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