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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2024 19:40:47 GMT 1
MPs from all parties campaigned on Brexit, either for or against. Your stubborn refusal to accept that the Iraq war wasn't only a Labour policy is ridiculous, as is your constant blaming of 2024 Labour for the 2003 Labour government. Honest question mate , it would be nice to get an honest answer. Is Israel right to be continuing the slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza? Please don't go off on a tangent or try to twist the question around, just give us a straight answer. I know its been mentioned on here dozens of times in recent times but can someone remind me where the buck stops ? Labour were in charge of the country between 1997 & 2010 and you still blame the tories , lets get labour back in maybe they could redeem themselves and go and find those WOMD ;-) So you can't or won't answer my question. Shocker. Yes Labour were in government, but how many times do I have to explain that that vote would have failed without Tory support, so while I do blame Blair for mindlessly following Bush it would not have happened without the Tory support. There you go, I've given you another chance to answer. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2024 19:42:56 GMT 1
Oh great Gaza brought on another UK (yes UK!) election thread ffs 🙄 Last time I looked the terrorist group Hamas were still holding hundreds of hostages - why don’t they start by freeing them Happy for these posts to go to off topic thread as like 95% of the UK, I doubt Gaza comes close to people’s mind on here when casting a vote at a UK election - especially given the mountain of problems we face at home I brought it up because Pilch is constantly droning on about the deaths in Iraq and I was wondering if he had an opinion on the deaths in Gaza that most parties in the UK refused to condemn. |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2024 19:52:46 GMT 1
You are the guy that moans about brexit , you know the thing that needed labour to vote for to allow it to go ahead Ill just remind you I don't vote for either , what's your excuse ? MPs from all parties campaigned on Brexit, either for or against. Your stubborn refusal to accept that the Iraq war wasn't only a Labour policy is ridiculous, as is your constant blaming of 2024 Labour for the 2003 Labour government. Honest question mate , it would be nice to get an honest answer. Is Israel right to be continuing the slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza? Please don't go off on a tangent or try to twist the question around, just give us a straight answer. I really dont want to debate the Gaza Strip at all thanks, not the right time or place to discuss it anyway I keep my nose out of it, for all I know maybe the tories agreed to it. this is as relevant to the general election www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/paul-gascoigne-strips-totally-naked-23957827 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2024 21:36:23 GMT 1
The Reform party at its grassroots ladies and gentlemen:
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2024 22:05:03 GMT 1
The Reform party at its grassroots ladies and gentlemen: The swingometer will probably turn their way after that |
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Post by mattmw on Jun 28, 2024 8:20:11 GMT 1
The Reform party at its grassroots ladies and gentlemen: Assuming Farage is accurate in saying his main aim in leading Reform again is to challenge for power at the next general election, one of his big challenges will be to create a party structure that weeds out the more extreme views, while still appealing to the core voter bases A lot of politics is really dull boring work on the ground, and getting volunteers and staff to do that is no easy task - even Labour and Conservatives struggle with recruiting people. How reform goes about putting in that structure with checks and balances in their staffing will be quite a tricky process for them. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 28, 2024 8:44:04 GMT 1
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jun 28, 2024 9:48:42 GMT 1
I would argue Reform are actually losing momentum with the more coverage they get. JLPartners has them down 3 points to 15%. BMGResearch has them down by 3 points to 16%. Even YouGov and Survation have them down a point to 17% and 14% respectively. Don't get me wrong, very good numbers for a new party, but no denying their momentum has slowed down. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 28, 2024 10:02:35 GMT 1
I would argue Reform are actually losing momentum with the more coverage they get. JLPartners has them down 3 points to 15%. BMGResearch has them down by 3 points to 16%. Even YouGov and Survation have them down a point to 17% and 14% respectively. Don't get me wrong, very good numbers for a new party, but no denying their momentum has slowed down. But that's exactly what these targetted media attacks were designed to achieve We'll see on polling day, we all know Labour will get a huge majority, the real interest is in how much the Tory vote falls, and what in roads Reform can make, if any |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2024 10:05:06 GMT 1
Reform are getting no more scrutiny and attention than Labour or the Conservative parties. Given they’re now the self confessed third largest party in the country, surely they should expect people might actually dig a little deeper into who’s representing them on the streets.
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Post by cabanas2017 on Jun 28, 2024 10:18:28 GMT 1
Be ready to accept thousands of illegal migrants living in Shrewsbury and Shropshire under the new Labour government, cost of living will increase without a doubt, and regarding Labour quote of 14 years of chaos let’s not forget the outgoing Labour chancellor 14 years ago stated in his outgoing letter to the Conservative chancellor “there is no money left we have spent it all”.
I an no Sunack fan, but the economy is showing slight shoots of recovery and Starmer will inherit the economy in a far better state (even their is not good) than Labour left it 14 years ago.
Am I also right by my understanding Labour in Shrewsbury are against the NE relief road?
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 28, 2024 10:43:28 GMT 1
Be ready to accept thousands of illegal migrants living in Shrewsbury and Shropshire under the new Labour government, cost of living will increase without a doubt, and regarding Labour quote of 14 years of chaos let’s not forget the outgoing Labour chancellor 14 years ago stated in his outgoing letter to the Conservative chancellor “there is no money left we have spent it all”. I an no Sunack fan, but the economy is showing slight shoots of recovery and Starmer will inherit the economy in a far better state (even their is not good) than Labour left it 14 years ago. Am I also right by my understanding Labour in Shrewsbury are against the NE relief road? Yes they are, it'll be canned the moment they get in here and in wider Government - that alone puts me off voting for them Agree with the rest of your post |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2024 10:57:07 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jun 28, 2024 11:50:19 GMT 1
All metaphorical if course. Just showing that just as you wouldnt want to chose either Harris or Saville there is no good choise between Sunak or Starmer either. Both equally as bad in both cases. Sex offenders and pedophiles Or elected politicians. Very very different things. Your choice of imagery is very strange. Could have chosen two terrible Salop CB... Could have chosen 2 perfect examples , Biden & Trump |
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Post by mattmw on Jun 28, 2024 11:55:13 GMT 1
Be ready to accept thousands of illegal migrants living in Shrewsbury and Shropshire under the new Labour government, cost of living will increase without a doubt, and regarding Labour quote of 14 years of chaos let’s not forget the outgoing Labour chancellor 14 years ago stated in his outgoing letter to the Conservative chancellor “there is no money left we have spent it all”. I an no Sunack fan, but the economy is showing slight shoots of recovery and Starmer will inherit the economy in a far better state (even their is not good) than Labour left it 14 years ago. Am I also right by my understanding Labour in Shrewsbury are against the NE relief road? Just for context this link shows the current policies on housing asylum seekers in Shropshire under the current government policies www.shropshire.gov.uk/refugees-and-asylum-seekers/refugees-and-asylum-seekers-in-shropshire-faqs/On the North West Relief road The Conservatives are the only party supporting the policy of building the road, but have only so far committed £54 million to the project, with the caviat that if the road goes ahead the funding gap will be met locally by Shropshire Council and the current estimate of the build of the NWRR is £80 million. |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2024 11:56:02 GMT 1
Why would the media be scared? Of what, Reform winning a handful of seats? Hardly going to change the world. What's happening is that Reform is being subjected to proper scrutiny, which is what should happen to any party seeking power. It's not enough to fawn over the tobacco-stained grifter, Farage, and ignore the company he keeps (literally, as he owns 53% of Reform UK Party Ltd). Would you prefer the sociopathic racists to be left unexposed? And if the Greens (842 local councillors) are a "total irrelevance" to the election, what does that make Reform (10 local councillors)? |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2024 12:00:22 GMT 1
I would argue Reform are actually losing momentum with the more coverage they get. JLPartners has them down 3 points to 15%. BMGResearch has them down by 3 points to 16%. Even YouGov and Survation have them down a point to 17% and 14% respectively. Don't get me wrong, very good numbers for a new party, but no denying their momentum has slowed down. Not surprising that some think twice about voting for a party whose hypocritical owner/leader parrots Russian propaganda, dismisses awkward questions as "boring" and presides over teams of sometimes overt, sometimes closet racists. |
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Post by darkshrew on Jun 28, 2024 12:35:00 GMT 1
Be ready to accept thousands of illegal migrants living in Shrewsbury and Shropshire under the new Labour government, cost of living will increase without a doubt, and regarding Labour quote of 14 years of chaos let’s not forget the outgoing Labour chancellor 14 years ago stated in his outgoing letter to the Conservative chancellor “there is no money left we have spent it all”. I an no Sunack fan, but the economy is showing slight shoots of recovery and Starmer will inherit the economy in a far better state (even their is not good) than Labour left it 14 years ago. Am I also right by my understanding Labour in Shrewsbury are against the NE relief road? I'm not sure that there is a single point made here that stands up to a fact check |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 28, 2024 12:50:36 GMT 1
Why would the media be scared? Of what, Reform winning a handful of seats? Hardly going to change the world. What's happening is that Reform is being subjected to proper scrutiny, which is what should happen to any party seeking power. It's not enough to fawn over the tobacco-stained grifter, Farage, and ignore the company he keeps (literally, as he owns 53% of Reform UK Party Ltd). Would you prefer the sociopathic racists to be left unexposed? And if the Greens (842 local councillors) are a "total irrelevance" to the election, what does that make Reform (10 local councillors)? Sorry i must've forgot this was council elections. But whilst on the topic, what a lovely bloke this chap is... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-68970097As this is a General election, 6% in national polls suggest Green's are largely irrelevant. Stories are emerging that said Reform campaigner is infact an Actor by trade... be interesting to see where this goes in the coming days... |
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 28, 2024 13:12:47 GMT 1
Be ready to accept thousands of illegal migrants living in Shrewsbury and Shropshire under the new Labour government, cost of living will increase without a doubt, and regarding Labour quote of 14 years of chaos let’s not forget the outgoing Labour chancellor 14 years ago stated in his outgoing letter to the Conservative chancellor “there is no money left we have spent it all”. I an no Sunack fan, but the economy is showing slight shoots of recovery and Starmer will inherit the economy in a far better state (even their is not good) than Labour left it 14 years ago. Am I also right by my understanding Labour in Shrewsbury are against the NE relief road? I'm not sure that there is a single point made here that stands up to a fact check It’s the Tory bite back. Reminds me of the Boris’s lies about £10 million Turks turning up if you vote remain. As for slight recovery, he’s correct, recovery from the massive car crash Truss caused in one mini budget 👍 |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2024 13:13:43 GMT 1
Why would the media be scared? Of what, Reform winning a handful of seats? Hardly going to change the world. What's happening is that Reform is being subjected to proper scrutiny, which is what should happen to any party seeking power. It's not enough to fawn over the tobacco-stained grifter, Farage, and ignore the company he keeps (literally, as he owns 53% of Reform UK Party Ltd). Would you prefer the sociopathic racists to be left unexposed? And if the Greens (842 local councillors) are a "total irrelevance" to the election, what does that make Reform (10 local councillors)? Sorry i must've forgot this was council elections. But whilst on the topic, what a lovely bloke this chap is... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-68970097As this is a General election, 6% in national polls suggest Green's are largely irrelevant. Stories are emerging that said Reform campaigner is infact an Actor by trade... be interesting to see where this goes in the coming days... Inappropriate comments but not the most extreme, by a long way. Every party is relevant to an election. Seats in the Commons will be won by parties polling single figure percentages nationally. In a hung parliament those MPs can exert huge influence. Even if a party's candidate doesn't win a seat, the votes they win will help or hinder other candidates. It's easy to say with hindsight that something was irrelevant but it can't be said with any certainty in advance. Polling numbers are stated intentions, not votes. It might be a flawed democracy but we should have some respect for the process. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 28, 2024 13:28:58 GMT 1
Sorry i must've forgot this was council elections. But whilst on the topic, what a lovely bloke this chap is... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-68970097As this is a General election, 6% in national polls suggest Green's are largely irrelevant. Stories are emerging that said Reform campaigner is infact an Actor by trade... be interesting to see where this goes in the coming days... Every party is relevant to an election. Seats in the Commons will be won by parties polling single figure percentages nationally. In a hung parliament those MPs can exert huge influence. Even if a party's candidate doesn't win a seat, the votes they win will help or hinder other candidates. It's easy to say with hindsight that something was irrelevant but it can't be said with any certainty in advance. Polling numbers are stated intentions, not votes. It might be a flawed democracy but we should have some respect for the process. We'll have to agree to disagree on the highlighted point, I found his comments utterly reprehensible and worrying in a UK election. |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2024 14:06:58 GMT 1
Inappropriate comments but not the most extreme, by a long way. Every party is relevant to an election. Seats in the Commons will be won by parties polling single figure percentages nationally. In a hung parliament those MPs can exert huge influence. Even if a party's candidate doesn't win a seat, the votes they win will help or hinder other candidates. It's easy to say with hindsight that something was irrelevant but it can't be said with any certainty in advance. Polling numbers are stated intentions, not votes. It might be a flawed democracy but we should have some respect for the process. We'll have to agree to disagree on the highlighted point, I found his comments utterly reprehensible and worrying in a UK election. Why is it worrying in a general election? He's a local councillor in Leeds who said his win was a victory for Gaza - inappropriate, as I said, because I doubt it'll be much consolation to the bombed out people of Gaza. Is that really "utterly reprehensible" though? Millions of us are sympathetic to the plight of the people of Gaza. Are we utterly reprehensible too? Oh, and he praised Allah, which practising Muslims do several times a day and is no more disturbing than a Christian thanking God. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 28, 2024 14:11:08 GMT 1
We'll have to agree to disagree on the highlighted point, I found his comments utterly reprehensible and worrying in a UK election. Why is it worrying in a general election? He's a local councillor in Leeds who said his win was a victory for Gaza - inappropriate, as I said, because I doubt it'll be much consolation to the bombed out people of Gaza. Is that really "utterly reprehensible" though? Millions of us are sympathetic to the plight of the people of Gaza. Are we utterly reprehensible too? Oh, and he praised Allah, which practising Muslims do several times a day and is no more disturbing than a Christian thanking God. As i said, we'll have to agree to disagree on this, we won't find common ground on much of the above... My point was there are questionable characters in every party, sad reality of life |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2024 14:24:54 GMT 1
Why is it worrying in a general election? He's a local councillor in Leeds who said his win was a victory for Gaza - inappropriate, as I said, because I doubt it'll be much consolation to the bombed out people of Gaza. Is that really "utterly reprehensible" though? Millions of us are sympathetic to the plight of the people of Gaza. Are we utterly reprehensible too? Oh, and he praised Allah, which practising Muslims do several times a day and is no more disturbing than a Christian thanking God. As i said, we'll have to agree to disagree on this, we won't find common ground on much of the above... My point was there are questionable characters in every party, sad reality of life I agree with you on that last point. There'll always be people we dislike or object to in any party. It's just a question of whether someone crosses wherever we draw our personal line into something we consider more serious. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2024 15:27:20 GMT 1
Big Nige had to go and face the wrath of the Loose Women today. Apparantly it’s a fair excuse to be homophobic if you’ve had a few pints. Oh, and it’s all a channel four stitch up. You can see how he has such a good relationship with Donald Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2024 15:43:50 GMT 1
I would argue Reform are actually losing momentum with the more coverage they get. JLPartners has them down 3 points to 15%. BMGResearch has them down by 3 points to 16%. Even YouGov and Survation have them down a point to 17% and 14% respectively. Don't get me wrong, very good numbers for a new party, but no denying their momentum has slowed down. Are they really a new party though? UKIP, the Brexit Party, Reform. It's all an evolution of the original Anti-Federalist League set up in 1991 and the Referendum Party that ran for 3 years in the mid '90s. Look back at the history of those parties and the membership lists tie up, the donors overlap and the policies have all evolved from the same basic premise of a referendum on our EU membership. This has now morphed into a rabid anti-immigration stance which is not only appealing to the BNP, EDL, NF neanderthals and other various racists, but is being allowed to seep into the mainstream political arena.
Even back in '97 when Blair won a landslide the Referendum party managed to get 3% of the vote, to grow that 5 fold in 27 years isn't really all that impressive considering the amount of airtime that Farage has been given over the last 20 of those years. If Farage does win in Clacton he will no doubt do exactly the same thing as he did in Brussels, disrupt, disrupt and disrupt some more as long as it gets him airtime. The guy is a brilliant self publicist, I have to give him that, but he's still a twunt.
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Post by rob62 on Jun 28, 2024 16:12:49 GMT 1
Most polls are showing that this vile racist fascist party are falling back in the polls as people start to see their true colours.
I very much doubt there vote share will get into double figures on the day.
If they do poll better than the Lib Dems then it really is time to emigrate to a tolerant, open minded , progressive country.
I believe the Tories will do better than most people think in part because the reform bubble has burst and people can see that Farage is a liar and a Charlatan just like Boris
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 28, 2024 17:21:11 GMT 1
I would argue Reform are actually losing momentum with the more coverage they get. JLPartners has them down 3 points to 15%. BMGResearch has them down by 3 points to 16%. Even YouGov and Survation have them down a point to 17% and 14% respectively. Don't get me wrong, very good numbers for a new party, but no denying their momentum has slowed down. |
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Post by rob62 on Jun 28, 2024 17:46:34 GMT 1
The polls show a wide variation the numbers, and of course on the day it is turn out and tactical voting that will make a difference to the result
The very latest poll I have seen has Reform on 17.
I'm glad to say I have seen no evidence of support for them in Shropshire.
The only downside of this is that it may help the Tories
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