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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 7, 2024 11:34:29 GMT 1
What have they done so far ? 😝 Stopped the stupid Rwanda idea. Arranged new talks with junior doctors. Starmer's visiting the devolved nations to reviltalise relationships.
Going to take a lot of work to right the wrongs of the last 14 years though. How on earth are they going to get councils back on track? Stoke on Trent, for one, suffered a £20 million budget cut in the name of "austerity" and has never recovered.
I predict a surprise visit by Starmer to Ukraine in the next week or two.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 7, 2024 11:52:45 GMT 1
The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do.
Joseph Stalin.
A somewhat cynical view!
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 7, 2024 12:07:09 GMT 1
The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do. Joseph Stalin. A somewhat cynical view! From "hanging chads" to barracking the counters to "find some more votes", it's now the American way. Our first past the post system might seem "wrong", but the parties acceptance of the votes and gracious handover of power, (knowing their time was up perhaps) is the British way - apart from the mouthy Farage that is, always ready to jump on any bandwagen, an odious individual far too Trump like. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 7, 2024 12:22:10 GMT 1
The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do. Joseph Stalin. A somewhat cynical view! From "hanging chads" to barracking the counters to "find some more votes", it's now the American way. Our first past the post system might seem "wrong", but the parties acceptance of the votes and gracious handover of power, (knowing their time was up perhaps) is the British way - apart from the mouthy Farage that is, always ready to jump on any bandwagen, an odious individual far too Trump like. I believe there are questions being asked about Badenoch's result as a result of a significant number of postal votes failing to be sent out. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 7, 2024 13:02:22 GMT 1
From "hanging chads" to barracking the counters to "find some more votes", it's now the American way. Our first past the post system might seem "wrong", but the parties acceptance of the votes and gracious handover of power, (knowing their time was up perhaps) is the British way - apart from the mouthy Farage that is, always ready to jump on any bandwagen, an odious individual far too Trump like. I believe there are questions being asked about Badenoch's result as a result of a significant number of postal votes failing to be sent out. If there's been some sort of cock-up in one out of more than 600 constituencies then the systems working fairly well. |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jul 8, 2024 11:59:37 GMT 1
Don't expect a state pension at all when I'm able to retire - don't see how the state can sustain it.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jul 8, 2024 12:41:17 GMT 1
Don't expect a state pension at all when I'm able to retire - don't see how the state can sustain it. thought this myself for a few years now (My State Pension is at 67), which is why I have saved into Company Pension since 1988, which has resulted in being able to retire on November 1st at 59. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 8, 2024 13:42:53 GMT 1
Don't expect a state pension at all when I'm able to retire - don't see how the state can sustain it. thought this myself for a few years now (My State Pension is at 67), which is why I have saved into Company Pension since 1988, which has resulted in being able to retire on November 1st at 59. With an aging population who would never vote for any party threatening the state pension (though government's might chip away at it, increasing the retirement age, taxing it, etc.) there will be a state pension. But, if you want options like retiring early, paying off the life long mortgage you had to take out, fun in retirement, then join the company pension scheme, invest in a SIPP, provide for better retirement, as above.. |
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 8, 2024 13:43:58 GMT 1
Don't expect a state pension at all when I'm able to retire - don't see how the state can sustain it. thought this myself for a few years now (My State Pension is at 67), which is why I have saved into Company Pension since 1988, which has resulted in being able to retire on November 1st at 59. I retired at 57 my wife found me a part time job which worked out to be full time for another 10 years 😂 |
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Post by kenwood on Jul 8, 2024 14:09:50 GMT 1
Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but there has been talk about means testing the state retirement pension .
Now that’s a mighty kick in the gonads for some who are hoping to retire with a nice occupational pension and state pension like my good self .
I would hope that I would be with the everlasting choir before this kicks in .
Must admit when I heard of this initiative I broke out in a cold sweat .
All those young virile young men out there start populating the country with gay abandon ( not the best description I know ).The more people in the country in work and paying taxes would be a great help to safeguard our pension .
Keir Starmer increasing the child benefit for unlimited children would help . 😂😂
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 8, 2024 14:44:25 GMT 1
Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but there has been talk about means testing the state retirement pension . Now that’s a mighty kick in the gonads for some who are hoping to retire with a nice occupational pension and state pension like my good self . I would hope that I would be with the everlasting choir before this kicks in . Must admit when I heard of this initiative I broke out in a cold sweat . All those young virile young men out there start populating the country with gay abandon ( not the best description I know ).The more people in the country in work and paying taxes would be a great help to safeguard our pension . Keir Starmer increasing the child benefit for unlimited children would help . 😂😂 Means testing would be fair but highly unacceptable to the people it would affect. I have a generous company pension and my state pension is purely pocket money which pays for my hobbies, eating out etc. An elephant in the room re our falling birth rate is immigration. We are going to have to get our young tax paying workers from somewhere. Another is social care, at my age I want to build up good financial reserves so that I can pay for decent care when the time comes. |
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Post by kenwood on Jul 8, 2024 16:04:54 GMT 1
Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but there has been talk about means testing the state retirement pension . Now that’s a mighty kick in the gonads for some who are hoping to retire with a nice occupational pension and state pension like my good self . I would hope that I would be with the everlasting choir before this kicks in . Must admit when I heard of this initiative I broke out in a cold sweat . All those young virile young men out there start populating the country with gay abandon ( not the best description I know ).The more people in the country in work and paying taxes would be a great help to safeguard our pension . Keir Starmer increasing the child benefit for unlimited children would help . 😂😂 Means testing would be fair but highly unacceptable to the people it would affect. I have a generous company pension and my state pension is purely pocket money which pays for my hobbies, eating out etc. An elephant in the room re our falling birth rate is immigration. We are going to have to get our young tax paying workers from somewhere. Another is social care, at my age I want to build up good financial reserves so that I can pay for decent care when the time comes. Dont worry about building up good financial reserves . Snuff it early doors and let your kids benefit . Alternatively consider euthanasia. Who wants to exist lying in a bed with cot sides fighting for breath and being fed through a tube whilst family visit and stare in wonder at was once a fit and healthy human being .’No, not for me. Decisions , decisions - who ‘d be elderly 😂😂 |
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jul 8, 2024 16:08:33 GMT 1
Mmmm lovely new houses loads and loads of them. May I be the first to state nimbyism before anyone else
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 8, 2024 16:18:04 GMT 1
Mmmm lovely new houses loads and loads of them. May I be the first to state nimbyism before anyone else Anywhere that still voted in a Tory MP is to have loads of social housing built to swamp the local Tories with Labour and Reform voters?
So far, the rule changes are not really much more than what was the case before Gove scrapped them a year or so ago because of pressure from shire Tory MPs.
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jul 8, 2024 16:34:07 GMT 1
Brown field sites 100% yes. They are an eyesore. Green belt is disappearing at an alarming rate where I live. What's left is an invitation for fly tipping
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Post by venceremos on Jul 8, 2024 17:37:20 GMT 1
This video sums up quite nicely the injustices of the current FPTP system. Of course FPTP is something of an anachronism but, as we discovered with the 2011 PR referendum, finding a fair and workable replacement is much easier said than done. Interesting to contrast the UK and France just now. Here we had an 'unfair' FPTP election that produced an immediate and orderly transfer of power. In France, a 'fairer' two-stage voting process that's produced huge uncertainty as to the country's future political direction (but kept the far right out, thank God). One thing seems clear from both elections. The successful parties and a sizeable proportion of the voters understood how to make their voting system produce the desired result. It's the first election I've known where Labour and the Liberal Democrats/Greens have all exploited the nuances of FPTP to achieve a successful outcome for them. In principle I'll always favour a form of PR. I just don't yet know what that would be. A footnote to the Reform-led noise about how unfair the UK result was. As I've said earlier, you can't take a FPTP election result and project a PR election result from it, for many reasons. The popular vote should be looked at in a broader context than individual parties. If we say voters on the centre/left will have tended to vote either Labour, Liberal Democrat or Green, and those on the centre/right either Conservative/Reform/Brexit/Ukip over the last four elections, the popular votes divide as: 2015 Centre/left 46% : Centre/right 54% 2017 53% : 47% 2019 50% : 50% 2024 58% : 42% If you add in the SNP and Plaid Cymru (both centre/left parties), you can more or less add 2% to the left side and take 2% off the right ( so 60% : 40% on Thursday). I haven't seen anyone mention that Ukip polled 3.9m votes in 2015, compared to Reform's 4.1m in 2024. This is a broadly static continuation of right wing populism, not a surge, and the voting numbers show that overall the country has moved away from the right, not further towards it. |
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