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Post by Pilch on Jun 25, 2024 11:56:28 GMT 1
Conservative candidates involved in the betting on the election date now had party support withdrawn Not quite sure why it took Sunak a week to do it but finally got to the right decision Have they been found guilty yet ? |
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Post by mattmw on Jun 25, 2024 12:17:45 GMT 1
Conservative candidates involved in the betting on the election date now had party support withdrawn Not quite sure why it took Sunak a week to do it but finally got to the right decision Have they been found guilty yet ? The candidate standing in Welshpool did admit he’d had a bet on the election date, although the betting commission are still investigating the other three people involved |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 25, 2024 13:07:21 GMT 1
Have they been found guilty yet ? The candidate standing in Welshpool did admit he’d had a bet on the election date, although the betting commission are still investigating the other three people involved so no then |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2024 13:23:28 GMT 1
The candidate standing in Welshpool did admit he’d had a bet on the election date, although the betting commission are still investigating the other three people involved so no then He's the PPS for the Prime Minister! He's one of 3 of the closest MPs to the PM. He knew! But I forget myself. Of course if this were a labour MP you would also ask to request innocent before guilty. Of course. Yes. La de da... |
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Post by mattmw on Jun 25, 2024 13:26:01 GMT 1
The candidate standing in Welshpool did admit he’d had a bet on the election date, although the betting commission are still investigating the other three people involved so no then No that’s the role of the betting commission to investigate, but it’s normal practices to withdraw party support for a candidate if they are being investigated by a statutory body during an election campaign. Reform have withdrawn their support from a few of their candidates for similar reasons and at the Rochdale by election earlier in the year the Labour candidate had party support withdrawn over anti semitism comments that were being investigated during the campaign I maybe seems unfair to withdraw party support when a candidate is under investigate - innocent to proven guilty etc - but it’s standard practice with election campaigns to suspend candidates if investigations are launched during a campaign. Sunak could have saved some bad press over the last week by acting earlier with the suspensions |
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Post by darkshrew on Jun 25, 2024 13:40:51 GMT 1
The candidate standing in Welshpool did admit he’d had a bet on the election date, although the betting commission are still investigating the other three people involved so no then It is inconceivable that the two standing in the election have not been asked by the Tory party if they placed the bets. Sunak is possibly one of the best people to judge whether or not they had advance knowledge of the election date. Are you really proposing that Sunak waits until after the election for the gaming commission to conclude on whether these two placed the bets and whether they knew about the election dates ? Sunak knows those bits of information now - it would make no sense to wait until after the election to act. Even if the two denied placing the bets (which they haven't) then any sensible party would suspend them pending the results of the investigation; but I guess you know that. On the Starmer hypocrite point the Starmer quote that you posted as your proof is the maximum he could say to point out the lies in parliament of Johnson given that it is against parliamentary conduct rules to call someone out for lying. Starmer posted the comment that you quote after it was proven that Johnson had persistently lied to parliament in saying that the gatherings had not taken place when the emails of his own staff were uncovered that confirmed that the gatherings had indeed taken place. Starmer said Johnson should resign because of the confirmation of the gatherings which had been denied, not because of the investigation. You can also be obtuse and obfuscate the conclusion of the investigation into Starmer as well, but it is similarly factual that he did not lie to parliament and he was not found guilty of breaching the rules. Hence no hypocrisy. |
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Post by mattmw on Jun 25, 2024 15:02:08 GMT 1
Five more Met police officers now under investigation by police officers the Gambling Commission with some from the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection team. May explain why the action against the two prospective Conservative candidates was taken earlier today
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Post by mattmw on Jun 25, 2024 17:24:16 GMT 1
Five more Met police officers now under investigation by police officers the Gambling Commission with some from the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection team. May explain why the action against the two prospective Conservative candidates was taken earlier today Labour candidate also suspended in breaking news for more betting investigations on the election date. Might be easy to say who didn’t have a bet at this rate |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 25, 2024 17:38:23 GMT 1
Five more Met police officers now under investigation by police officers the Gambling Commission with some from the Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection team. May explain why the action against the two prospective Conservative candidates was taken earlier today Labour candidate also suspended in breaking news for more betting investigations on the election date. Might be easy to say who didn’t have a bet at this rate Starmer himself could hold up a bookies at gunpoint and some would find an excuse to still vote for him 😞 Maybe they could invade Russia , I heard a rumour they have weapons of mass destruction , or do they only pick on innocent countries and then conveniently stage the suicide for the guy who dreamt up the lie labour and tories should neither be allowed to participle in this election |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 25, 2024 17:55:23 GMT 1
Labour candidate also suspended in breaking news for more betting investigations on the election date. Might be easy to say who didn’t have a bet at this rate Starmer himself could hold up a bookies at gunpoint and some would find an excuse to still vote for him 😞 Maybe they could invade Russia , I heard a rumour they have weapons of mass destruction , or do they only pick on innocent countries and then conveniently stage the suicide for the guy who dreamt up the lie labour and tories should neither be allowed to participle in this election Unless you vote for the Labour candidate, Kawczynski might scrape in again. Tactical voting please! www.oddschecker.com/politics/uk-constituencies/next-uk-general-election-constituencies/shrewsbury |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 25, 2024 18:19:52 GMT 1
The Gambling Commission has uncovered information alleging that five more Metropolitan police officers placed bets on the date of the general election. The Met confirmed the latest allegations in a statement, which comes a week after it announced that a protection officer guarding the prime minister, Rishi Sunak, had been arrested for allegedly placing a bet on the election date. The Met said the five officers came from three units; the royalty and specialist protection unit, the same unit the officer arrested last week for alleged misconduct in public office is from. The other officers identified by the Gambling Commission are from the parliamentary and diplomatic protection command, which the Met leadership had vowed to reform after concerns about its culture after scandals involving Wayne Couzens and David Carrick, who were two of its members. The third is the central west basic command unit. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jun/25/more-met-officers-alleged-placed-election-bets |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 25, 2024 19:00:08 GMT 1
All right, fit and proper upstanding people who are wanting you to vote for them.
Not one of them worth voting for imo. All shiesters.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 25, 2024 23:25:05 GMT 1
Starmer himself could hold up a bookies at gunpoint and some would find an excuse to still vote for him 😞 Maybe they could invade Russia , I heard a rumour they have weapons of mass destruction , or do they only pick on innocent countries and then conveniently stage the suicide for the guy who dreamt up the lie labour and tories should neither be allowed to participle in this election Unless you vote for the Labour candidate, Kawczynski might scrape in again. Tactical voting please! www.oddschecker.com/politics/uk-constituencies/next-uk-general-election-constituencies/shrewsburyI don't want either of them in , what's the next choice ? |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 26, 2024 6:51:28 GMT 1
Starmer himself could hold up a bookies at gunpoint and some would find an excuse to still vote for him 😞 Maybe they could invade Russia , I heard a rumour they have weapons of mass destruction , or do they only pick on innocent countries and then conveniently stage the suicide for the guy who dreamt up the lie labour and tories should neither be allowed to participle in this election Unless you vote for the Labour candidate, Kawczynski might scrape in again. Tactical voting please! www.oddschecker.com/politics/uk-constituencies/next-uk-general-election-constituencies/shrewsburyI’d also rather Kawczynski be removed as MP… but I also don’t want a Prime Minister who’s as uninspiring as yesterdays dish water, who flip flops on many major issues depending on the weather of the day, who has offered a no policy campaign to try and get elected based on the polls, who won’t protect women’s rights, who won’t protect our borders, who won’t put working people and British people first - need I go on about the Labour Party… |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 26, 2024 9:24:24 GMT 1
I don't want either of them in , what's the next choice ? Regrettably, there isn't one under the insane FPTP rules. At least I've been able to vote Lib Dem in North Shropshire and for it to be a meaningful vote. |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 26, 2024 9:34:29 GMT 1
I’d also rather Kawczynski be removed as MP… but I also don’t want a Prime Minister who’s as uninspiring as yesterdays dish water, who flip flops on many major issues depending on the weather of the day, who has offered a no policy campaign to try and get elected based on the polls, who won’t protect women’s rights, who won’t protect our borders, who won’t put working people and British people first - need I go on about the Labour Party… I couldn't agree more about Labour, and would never vote for either them or the Tories. Anyone thinking about voting Labour should watch 'The Labour Files'. www.ajiunit.com/investigation/the-labour-files/and also read Asa Winstanley's 'Weaponising Anti-Semitism. How the Israel Lobby Brought Down Jeremy Corbyn'. orbooks.com/catalog/weaponising-anti-semitism/ |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 26, 2024 12:47:03 GMT 1
Conservative candidates involved in the betting on the election date now had party support withdrawn Not quite sure why it took Sunak a week to do it but finally got to the right decision Have they been found guilty yet ? They don't have to be. It's not a court of law and withdrawing party support isn't a legal punishment.. |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 26, 2024 12:48:40 GMT 1
I’d also rather Kawczynski be removed as MP… but I also don’t want a Prime Minister who’s as uninspiring as yesterdays dish water, who flip flops on many major issues depending on the weather of the day, who has offered a no policy campaign to try and get elected based on the polls, who won’t protect women’s rights, who won’t protect our borders, who won’t put working people and British people first - need I go on about the Labour Party… Tell us when you've something substantive to add, not just bullet points from Tory HQ. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 26, 2024 21:49:25 GMT 1
I’d also rather Kawczynski be removed as MP… but I also don’t want a Prime Minister who’s as uninspiring as yesterdays dish water, who flip flops on many major issues depending on the weather of the day, who has offered a no policy campaign to try and get elected based on the polls, who won’t protect women’s rights, who won’t protect our borders, who won’t put working people and British people first - need I go on about the Labour Party… Tell us when you've something substantive to add, not just bullet points from Tory HQ. Odd post, have you watched the debate tonight? Probably not I imagine you vote based on blind loyalty. Sir Keir still can’t accurately say what a woman is. He’s a danger to women’s rights and safety. He has no plan on illegal inmigration and won’t speak about legal migration Sad state of affairs that this leader and party are going to get a record breaking majority - off less votes then Corbyn got in 2017!! |
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 26, 2024 22:34:27 GMT 1
I fear the very worst when Kier staremore takes over on July 5th🤦🤦🤦😞
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Post by mattmw on Jun 26, 2024 23:16:18 GMT 1
Tell us when you've something substantive to add, not just bullet points from Tory HQ. Odd post, have you watched the debate tonight? Probably not I imagine you vote based on blind loyalty. Sir Keir still can’t accurately say what a woman is. He’s a danger to women’s rights and safety. He has no plan on illegal inmigration and won’t speak about legal migration Sad state of affairs that this leader and party are going to get a record breaking majority - off less votes then Corbyn got in 2017!! Thought it was Starmer’s worst performance in the debates but probably Sunak’s best. Think Starmer struggles with the to and fro of that style debate Think the debates don’t really get to actually discuss detail of the manifestos in detail which is a shame. For example from the debate you understandably say there is no plan on boarder controls by Labour, but the manifesto sets out a number of policies “Secure borders Britain is a tolerant and compassionate country. We have a proud tradition of welcoming people fleeing persecution and abuse. Schemes like Homes for Ukraine, Hong Kong humanitarian visas, and the Syrian resettlement programme have provided important routes for refugees seeking sanctuary. But the system needs to be controlled and managed and we need strong borders. The small boats crisis, fuelled by dangerous criminal smuggler gangs, is undermining our security and costing lives. Rather than a serious plan to confront this crisis, the Conservatives have offered nothing but desperate gimmicks. Their flagship policy – to fly a tiny number of asylum seekers to Rwanda – has already cost hundreds of millions of pounds. Even if it got off the ground, this scheme can only address fewer than one per cent of the asylum seekers arriving. It cannot work. Chaos in the Channel has been matched by chaos at home. The Conservatives’ unworkable laws have created a ‘perma-backlog’ of tens of thousands of asylum seekers, who are indefinitely staying in hotels costing the taxpayer millions of pounds every week. Labour will stop the chaos and go after the criminal gangs who trade in driving this crisis. We will create a new Border Security Command, with hundreds of new investigators, intelligence officers, and cross-border police officers. This will be funded by ending the wasteful Migration and Economic Development partnership with Rwanda. This new Command will work internationally and be supported by new counter-terrorism style powers, to pursue, disrupt, and arrest those responsible for the vile trade. We will seek a new security agreement with the EU to ensure access to real-time intelligence and enable our policing teams to lead joint investigations with their European counterparts. Labour will turn the page and restore order to the asylum system so that it operates swiftly, firmly, and fairly; and the rules are properly enforced. We will hire additional caseworkers to clear the Conservatives’ backlog and end asylum hotels, saving the taxpayer billions of pounds. Labour will set up a new returns and enforcement unit, with an additional 1,000 staff, to fast-track removals to safe countries for people who do not have the right to stay here. We will negotiate additional returns arrangements to speed up returns and increase the number of safe countries that failed asylum seekers can swiftly be sent back to. And we will also act upstream, working with international partners to address the humanitarian crises which lead people to flee their homes, and to strengthen support for refugees in their home region.” There are a number of key operational and strategic difference to these proposals to those in the Conservative manifesto, yet in none of the debates have I seen any serious discussion on the two different approaches which is disappointing. I agree that I think most votes will be cast based on blind loyalty to one party or another, but the quality of debates over the election period really hasn’t helped shed light on, and look at policy proposals in a serious fashion |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jun 27, 2024 8:16:34 GMT 1
I fear the very worst when Kier staremore takes over on July 5th🤦🤦🤦😞 He was poor during last nights debate but I’d be more fearful of the state of the country if the Tories get in for another five years, dread to think how long NHS waiting lists would be |
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 27, 2024 8:27:35 GMT 1
I’d also rather Kawczynski be removed as MP… but I also don’t want a Prime Minister who’s as uninspiring as yesterdays dish water, who flip flops on many major issues depending on the weather of the day, who has offered a no policy campaign to try and get elected based on the polls, who won’t protect women’s rights, who won’t protect our borders, who won’t put working people and British people first - need I go on about the Labour Party… I couldn't agree more about Labour, and would never vote for either them or the Tories. Anyone thinking about voting Labour should watch 'The Labour Files'. www.ajiunit.com/investigation/the-labour-files/and also read Asa Winstanley's 'Weaponising Anti-Semitism. How the Israel Lobby Brought Down Jeremy Corbyn'. orbooks.com/catalog/weaponising-anti-semitism/So you wouldn’t vote tactically in Shrewsbury to oust DK? I must have misunderstood your previous posts? |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 27, 2024 8:55:41 GMT 1
So you wouldn’t vote tactically in Shrewsbury to oust DK? I must have misunderstood your previous posts? You have indeed. I'm in North Shropshire and have already voted for the Lib Dem candidate Helen Morgan. |
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Post by northwestman on Jun 27, 2024 9:00:27 GMT 1
That said, if I was in DK's constituency I'd be having to vote Labour.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 27, 2024 9:36:16 GMT 1
I'm guessing election day must be looking pretty soon.
The title on this thread has it down as July 24th but the huge pile of leaflets dropped off by the postman today from all the local candidates is suggesting its July 4th. Guess they may know a thing or two.....
Anyway all leaflets have all been treated equally in this household, they have all been filed in the recycling bin.
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Post by dabber180 on Jun 27, 2024 9:39:20 GMT 1
How can anyone conceivably think a vote for the Lib Dems is in the best interests of this country. Simply no argument
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2024 12:11:23 GMT 1
How can anyone conceivably think a vote for the Lib Dems is in the best interests of this country. Simply no argument I feel the same about the tories and labour especially labour, it was like having Putin in charge last time they were around, what short memories some have, I bet the population of Iraq are fearing our version of the Taliban getting back in power |
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 27, 2024 12:20:40 GMT 1
How can anyone conceivably think a vote for the Lib Dems is in the best interests of this country. Simply no argument I feel the same about the tories and labour especially labour, it was like having Putin in charge last time they were around, what short memories some have, I bet the population of Iraq are fearing our version of the Taliban getting back in power Out of the options available who would you prefere as PM? You've told us who you don't want, who do you want? |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 27, 2024 12:45:15 GMT 1
I feel the same about the tories and labour especially labour, it was like having Putin in charge last time they were around, what short memories some have, I bet the population of Iraq are fearing our version of the Taliban getting back in power Out of the options available who would you prefere as PM? You've told us who you don't want, who do you want? im like you, I just spend all day telling everyone who not to vote for ;-) |
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