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Post by darkshrew on Jun 23, 2024 20:22:58 GMT 1
For once Shropshire looks like it could be a swing county - but it will call for some tactical voting. Shrewsbury - a two horse race between Conservative and Labour - if you are against the Tories (and even local Tories seem to be against Kawcysnki who is famed as being tall, unpleasantly arrogant, not very bright, never present in his constituency, and so effective that in 19 years he has never been given a position of responsibility by his own party), then you need to get behind Labour to make sure that Kawcynski does not continue on his gravy train. South Shropshire - a two horse race between Conservative and LibDem - if you want to oust the Tories then Matt Greene is the man and you will know that your vote has gone to a nice local bloke who will do a good job as your local MP. I know that many of us know Matt - let's hope he gets in so that we have someone decent representing us. Wrekin - a two horse race between the Tories and Labour - if you want Pritchard out (and who wouldn't - read his wiki) then you need to vote Labour. North Shropshire - Helen Morgan has done a damn good job, cannot see anyone wanting her gone as their MP - just shows you what a difference it makes to have someone good in the role. No bias in this posting then. No intention to sound or be independent - I think that the Tories remaining in power would be an awful outcome and would like people to vote tactically to get them out. I can understand people voting for a good local candidate regardless of party affiliation, but cannot see how that could be the case in Shropshire. You cannot even blame the local Tory members as the candidates in each of the four constituencies have been imposed by Conservative Central Office; if you take the time to read up on their backgrounds then you can see why there were objections to their being selected within the local Tory ranks. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 23, 2024 21:24:21 GMT 1
No bias in this posting then. No intention to sound or be independent - I think that the Tories remaining in power would be an awful outcome and would like people to vote tactically to get them |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2024 23:18:43 GMT 1
Wow. It really isn't anything like that. What strange imagery there. All metaphorical if course. Just showing that just as you wouldnt want to chose either Harris or Saville there is no good choise between Sunak or Starmer either. Both equally as bad in both cases. Sex offenders and pedophiles Or elected politicians. Very very different things. Your choice of imagery is very strange. Could have chosen two terrible Salop CB... |
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Post by belfastshrew on Jun 24, 2024 10:16:41 GMT 1
Waterfall and Flanagan
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 24, 2024 11:16:16 GMT 1
Wouldn’t class either of those as terrible. Inconsistent but hardly close to the worse we’ve had. Waterfall over 500 league games Flannigan over 300. Not bad for terrible players. |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 24, 2024 11:50:44 GMT 1
All metaphorical if course. Just showing that just as you wouldnt want to chose either Harris or Saville there is no good choise between Sunak or Starmer either. Both equally as bad in both cases. Sex offenders and pedophiles Or elected politicians. Very very different things. Your choice of imagery is very strange. Could have chosen two terrible Salop CB... strange imagery , and wow lets bring the town into it instead  the real issue is having got rid of Jimmy Saville only for Rolf Harris to get in power, it seems people now want to get rid of Rolf in hope Jim can fix it for us if will never change when the mentality is to tactical vote and elect previous basket cases how's about that then ? |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 24, 2024 12:07:04 GMT 1
Sex offenders and pedophiles Or elected politicians. Very very different things. Your choice of imagery is very strange. Could have chosen two terrible Salop CB... strange imagery , and wow lets bring the town into it instead the real issue is having got rid of Jimmy Saville only for Rolf Harris to get in power, it seems people now want to get rid of Rolf in hope Jim can fix it for us if will never change when the mentality is to tactical vote and elect previous basket cases how's about that then ? Yeh, think we are the same sort of wavelength. Only on here would it be disected and debated to somewhere completely different. On social media where it originated from most people had a laugh and have moved on to other fun things and more important matters without it being dragged into more serious comment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 12:43:41 GMT 1
strange imagery , and wow lets bring the town into it instead the real issue is having got rid of Jimmy Saville only for Rolf Harris to get in power, it seems people now want to get rid of Rolf in hope Jim can fix it for us if will never change when the mentality is to tactical vote and elect previous basket cases how's about that then ? Yeh, think we are the same sort of wavelength. Only on here would it be disected and debated to somewhere completely different. On social media where it originated from most people had a laugh and have moved on to other fun things and more important matters without it being dragged into more serious comment. Being flippant and then being called out on it shouldn't be a shock. Too many people moan about the quality of politicians etc and then think comments like yours under the defence of "only a joke" is going to improve the situation. I haven't got any time what so ever for Dan, but comparing him to those two! |
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Post by mattmw on Jun 24, 2024 12:49:45 GMT 1
Shrewsbury candidates are doing a hustings at Trinity Church in Meole at 7.30pm tonight, might go along and see what the issues Shrewsbury folk are asking. Euro games aren’t overly exciting tonight
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 24, 2024 16:59:45 GMT 1
Yeh, think we are the same sort of wavelength. Only on here would it be disected and debated to somewhere completely different. On social media where it originated from most people had a laugh and have moved on to other fun things and more important matters without it being dragged into more serious comment. Being flippant and then being called out on it shouldn't be a shock. Too many people moan about the quality of politicians etc and then think comments like yours under the defence of "only a joke" is going to improve the situation. I haven't got any time what so ever for Dan, but comparing him to those two! 🥱🥱 |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 24, 2024 17:27:29 GMT 1
heres all you need to know about starmer, hes a hypocrite
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Post by darkshrew on Jun 24, 2024 18:43:55 GMT 1
Shrewsbury candidates are doing a hustings at Trinity Church in Meole at 7.30pm tonight, might go along and see what the issues Shrewsbury folk are asking. Euro games aren’t overly exciting tonight It is being streamed live - trinitychurches.org/hustings/ |
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Post by darkshrew on Jun 24, 2024 18:51:03 GMT 1
heres all you need to know about starmer, hes a hypocrite But Pilch; the police investigated and concluded that no rules were broken - what is the point that you are making ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 18:53:57 GMT 1
Ouch, the general election thread experiment already becoming partisan argumentative nonsense only two pages in. Why does political debate always bring out the worst in people?
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Post by DiglisShrew on Jun 24, 2024 18:57:30 GMT 1
Ouch, the general election thread experiment already becoming partisan argumentative nonsense only two pages in. Why does political debate always bring out the worst in people? I suspect that’s exactly why it was suggested 🙄🤔 |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 24, 2024 20:07:58 GMT 1
Ouch, the general election thread experiment already becoming partisan argumentative nonsense only two pages in. Why does political debate always bring out the worst in people? Because people feel passionately about it. Not condoning abuse, but can sort of understand it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 20:15:37 GMT 1
Being flippant and then being called out on it shouldn't be a shock. Too many people moan about the quality of politicians etc and then think comments like yours under the defence of "only a joke" is going to improve the situation. I haven't got any time what so ever for Dan, but comparing him to those two! 🥱🥱 Yeah, very good. As reasoned as your original point wasn't. |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jun 24, 2024 20:27:22 GMT 1
Completely understand why everyone hates Starmer so much.
Remember that time he had a curry during lockdown that was completely legal? Could never get my vote.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 24, 2024 20:31:47 GMT 1
heres all you need to know about starmer, hes a hypocrite But Pilch; the police investigated and concluded that no rules were broken - what is the point that you are making ? the point I'm making is pretty clear, forget innocent until being proven guilty ( thats hypocritical itself coming from a lawyer ) he asked the PM to resign for the fact he was being investigated by the police he said that in a days after the policed announced they would be investing the PM 'one rule for them he said and one for the rest' he claimed seeing as he didn't resign when much later he himself was investigated by the police for the same offences then its clear his one rule for them he said and one for the rest is in fact correct , except he falls into the 'them' category as far as im concerned the 2 incidents were very much alike, bit like watching VAR rule out one decision and then ok another for virtually the same thing  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 20:35:10 GMT 1
But Pilch; the police investigated and concluded that no rules were broken - what is the point that you are making ? the point I'm making is pretty clear, forget innocent until being proven guilty ( thats hypocritical itself coming from a lawyer ) he asked the PM to resign for the fact he was being investigated by the police he said that in a days after the policed announced they would be investing the PM 'one rule for them he said and one for the rest' he claimed seeing as he didn't resign when much later he himself was investigated by the police for the same offences then its clear his one rule for them he said and one for the rest is in fact correct , except he falls into the 'them' category as far as im concerned the 2 incidents were very much alike, bit like watching VAR rule out one decision and then ok another for virtually the same thing Except it then turned out Boris and various other tories broke the law and were fined etc, and a whipped up Tory stoked investigation by the police into Starmer found no laws had been broken... It still infuriates me on the night Philip died they partied. The funeral as well. Honestly how anyone who says they're proud of the traditions and culture of this country can tolerate that alone is beyond me. |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 24, 2024 20:38:40 GMT 1
the point I'm making is pretty clear, forget innocent until being proven guilty ( thats hypocritical itself coming from a lawyer ) he asked the PM to resign for the fact he was being investigated by the police he said that in a days after the policed announced they would be investing the PM 'one rule for them he said and one for the rest' he claimed seeing as he didn't resign when much later he himself was investigated by the police for the same offences then its clear his one rule for them he said and one for the rest is in fact correct , except he falls into the 'them' category as far as im concerned the 2 incidents were very much alike, bit like watching VAR rule out one decision and then ok another for virtually the same thing Except it then turned out Boris and various other tories broke the law and were fined etc, and a whipped up Tory stoked investigation by the police into Starmer found no laws had been broken... It still infuriates me on the night Philip died they partied. The funeral as well. Honestly how anyone who says they're proud of the traditions and culture of this country can tolerate that alone is beyond me. that wasnt the point kier |
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Post by darkshrew on Jun 24, 2024 20:41:11 GMT 1
Shrewsbury candidates are doing a hustings at Trinity Church in Meole at 7.30pm tonight, might go along and see what the issues Shrewsbury folk are asking. Euro games aren’t overly exciting tonight It is being streamed live - trinitychurches.org/hustings/IMO the Green chap came across really very well, Labour and Lib Dems too. From the lack of applause I don't think that Kawcynski had many friends in the audience from the start, but by the end it seemed to have dwindled even further. The other three on the platform were clearly just out of their depth. |
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Post by mattmw on Jun 24, 2024 21:10:19 GMT 1
IMO the Green chap came across really very well, Labour and Lib Dems too. From the lack of applause I don't think that Kawcynski had many friends in the audience from the start, but by the end it seemed to have dwindled even further. The other three on the platform were clearly just out of their depth. Went along tonight and thought it was a very well attended meeting and good questions asked. Much better than tv debates. Judging that most of those attending were in the 60 plus age group and likely Church of England attendees the fact Daniel K got so little support was striking. If he can’t win those voters over he’s in big trouble Julia Buckley I thought had the best range of answers and policy suggestions but thought came across as a bit by the book and a bit staged, while the Green candidate read the room a bit better and answered the questions more directly. Liberal Dem got in mention of supporting Town twice - possibly a bit too focused on being local though. Reform guy seemed to keep saying we needed to fight for the country but wasn’t sure who we are fighting and the other two elderly chaps seemed a tad confused at being asked questions Overall good event though and interesting hearing the conversations leaving afterwards |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 21:28:26 GMT 1
Except it then turned out Boris and various other tories broke the law and were fined etc, and a whipped up Tory stoked investigation by the police into Starmer found no laws had been broken... It still infuriates me on the night Philip died they partied. The funeral as well. Honestly how anyone who says they're proud of the traditions and culture of this country can tolerate that alone is beyond me. that wasnt the point kier Never quite sure what your point might be. Permanent fishing trip 😉 |
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Post by layton on Jun 24, 2024 21:48:39 GMT 1
Except it then turned out Boris and various other tories broke the law and were fined etc, and a whipped up Tory stoked investigation by the police into Starmer found no laws had been broken... It still infuriates me on the night Philip died they partied. The funeral as well. Honestly how anyone who says they're proud of the traditions and culture of this country can tolerate that alone is beyond me. that wasnt the point kier The hypocrite point being made rather backfires in the context of the facts. If you look into the detail of what was going on you would understand that Starmer was calling on the PM to resign because of the fact that BoJo had lied to parliament and not because he was being investigated by the police. Not only did BoJo lie over a long period of time to parliament, he was found to have broken the rules from a legal standpoint; whereas Starmer came out of a detailed investigation and was found to have transgressed on neither point. Starmer was therefore not a hypocrite. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2024 22:00:23 GMT 1
Does this make up for the lack of bites on the other hobby? 😉 |
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 24, 2024 22:02:39 GMT 1
I’m just amazed Dominic Raab was wrong …….
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Post by Pilch on Jun 24, 2024 22:30:30 GMT 1
that wasnt the point kier The hypocrite point being made rather backfires in the context of the facts. If you look into the detail of what was going on you would understand that Starmer was calling on the PM to resign because of the fact that BoJo had lied to parliament and not because he was being investigated by the police. Not only did BoJo lie over a long period of time to parliament, he was found to have broken the rules from a legal standpoint; whereas Starmer came out of a detailed investigation and was found to have transgressed on neither point. Starmer was therefore not a hypocrite. I know what went on, Boris had a party and got rumbled starmer wanted him to resign on the back of getting investigated starmer had a party that also got investigated reneged on his own principles managed to pretend it was a working lunch at midnight ;-) beware of scams, youve been had |
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Post by mattmw on Jun 25, 2024 11:32:40 GMT 1
Conservative candidates involved in the betting on the election date now had party support withdrawn
Not quite sure why it took Sunak a week to do it but finally got to the right decision
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