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Post by ssshrew on Jun 8, 2024 5:34:07 GMT 1
Probably and for once Cameron looked important!
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Post by kenwood on Jun 8, 2024 8:04:51 GMT 1
Can't understand why all those ministers who say it was wrong to return from the D-Day commemorations early didn't whisper in his ear? Cameron, for one, an ex PM, didn't he think to say it won't look good if you are not in the photo with the other world leaders? Do they want him to fail? Go on, take a wild guess . 👍😂😂 |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 8, 2024 9:38:14 GMT 1
Can't understand why all those ministers who say it was wrong to return from the D-Day commemorations early didn't whisper in his ear? Cameron, for one, an ex PM, didn't he think to say it won't look good if you are not in the photo with the other world leaders? Do they want him to fail? Go on, take a wild guess . 👍😂😂 But if he fails, they fail. I suppose some can pick up lucrative jobs, but the party, that might go into a whole renewal phase, perhaps without so many different factions that have been the influence for so much policy over the years. Let's face it, without the fissions within the Conservative party Cameron would never even have held a Brexit vote. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 8, 2024 13:18:26 GMT 1
all celebrations for D D are special but commentators felt this would probably be the last one with the veteran's as many are a 100 plus which is rather poignant and another reason why Sunak leaving was very disrespectful.
he either does not understand what is important to many British people or does not care.
his advisors and Cameron should get some stick as well.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 8, 2024 13:26:28 GMT 1
all celebrations for D D are special but commentators felt this would probably be the last one with the veteran's as many are a 100 plus which is rather poignant and another reason why Sunak leaving was very disrespectful. he either does not understand what is important to many British people or does not care. his advisors and Cameron should get some stick as well. This is the sort of thing a real human being might have done: |
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Post by darkshrew on Jun 9, 2024 8:13:47 GMT 1
Go on, take a wild guess . 👍😂😂 But if he fails, they fail. I suppose some can pick up lucrative jobs, but the party, that might go into a whole renewal phase, perhaps without so many different factions that have been the influence for so much policy over the years. Let's face it, without the fissions within the Conservative party Cameron would never even have held a Brexit vote. I'm not sure that they are thinking beyond their own skin - criticising Sunak is good amongst their local party members, and possibly their electorate (but most feel that horse has long since bolted). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2024 12:46:15 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2qql1wk794oOh the poor love! No Sky TV when he was growing up? How devastating. It's a wonder that he survived. Also, sorry I'm late the D Day commemoration over ran. I ask everyone to please vote this entitled little s*** out of office. I don't care if you vote Labour, Reform, LibDem, Green or Count BinFace just get them out.
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Post by rob62 on Jun 12, 2024 13:23:36 GMT 1
With all due respect only the Lib Dems and Labour can beat the Tories in Shropshire.
Please think about your vote, and consider voting tacticaly supporting the best placed candidate to beat the Tories if you don't want a Tory MP
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Post by armchairfan on Jun 12, 2024 15:24:39 GMT 1
If it is indeed the case that the electorate considers its politicians to be dishonest and untrustworthy, why is that so many seem to believe that voting "tactically" - surely the most egregious example of political dishonesty and cowardice is such a good thing? Voting for something in which one simply does not believe mocks democracy!
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jun 12, 2024 16:15:53 GMT 1
If it is indeed the case that the electorate considers its politicians to be dishonest and untrustworthy, why is that so many seem to believe that voting "tactically" - surely the most egregious example of political dishonesty and cowardice is such a good thing? Voting for something in which one simply does not believe mocks democracy! Perhaps, but it's a side effect of the first past the post system. A Lib Dem or Labour MP would align with my interests much more than a Conservative one, so if the choice is voting tactically to choose the least worst option (in my opinion) then that is how it has to be. Judging by the betting odds and general feel from the campaign so far for the anti conservative tactical vote it's looking like: North Shropshire - Lib Dem Shrewsbury - Labour Telford - Labour South Shropshire - Lib Dem (as from what I can tell the Labour candidate is a paper candidate) |
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Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Jun 12, 2024 18:43:43 GMT 1
Let me tell you something....
This will be one of the most interesting General Elections in living history.
Yes Labour will win. But if polls are correct, in the context of everything Reforms' votes are going to be absolutely massive. Its the next election we shall see them as a strong force.
You're also going to see sectarian voting for the first time. People who don't recognise the law of government. Not man made laws. The only law they recognise is the law of their God. They don't give a flying nothing for the UK.
We're in for a tough fooookin' 5 years at least. The woke brigade and loony left are going to run rampage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2024 19:02:57 GMT 1
Let me tell you something.... This will be one of the most interesting General Elections in living history. Yes Labour will win. But if polls are correct, in the context of everything Reforms' votes are going to be absolutely massive. Its the next election we shall see them as a strong force. You're also going to see sectarian voting for the first time. People who don't recognise the law of government. Not man made laws. The only law they recognise is the law of their God. They don't give a flying nothing for the UK. We're in for a tough fooookin' 5 years at least. The woke brigade and loony left are going to run rampage. To be honest I think Reform would gain quite a few MPs if we had PR, but while the two main parties continue with their duopoly that ain't gonna happen. There are currently loads of sites and social media pages dedicated to encouraging people to vote tactically to ensure that the Tories lose as many seats as possible. There is nowhere in the country that Reform is a serious threat to any of the 3 parties. Even Clacton will be a stretch for Farage, but I doubt he'll finish behind a guy in a dolphin suit this time. I honestly don't think you know what 'woke' actually means. Try Google, it might help. As for the 'loony left' I can't believe even you could imagine that Starmer is in any way left wing. Perhaps compared to your heroes Tommy Ten Names, Farage and Oswald Moseley. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 12, 2024 21:19:53 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2qql1wk794oOh the poor love! No Sky TV when he was growing up? How devastating. It's a wonder that he survived. Also, sorry I'm late the D Day commemoration over ran. I ask everyone to please vote this entitled little s*** out of office. I don't care if you vote Labour, Reform, LibDem, Green or Count BinFace just get them out. I'm still going without Sky TV, but hey, I don't ask for your sympathy.
Seems the whole campaign has now shifted to the sympathy vote. They've upset the young with National Service. Plan to saddle those wanting to buy a house with a hundred per cent mortgage they might never pay off and if they do the poor quality housing that goes up these days will be requiring extensive repairs by then. Will continue to freeze tax thresholds so those working hard will pay more tax. Will upset pensioners when they reduce National Insurance as they don't pay it, just more and more tax, capital gains tax and tax on hard earned savings accumulated over a lifetime. Now they are pleading with us to save their skins.
There's one thing that the Conservative party needs to do, sort themselves out within the party, much like Labour have, too many of those long years they have been in power have been about doing things to appease the different factions of the party.
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Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Jun 12, 2024 21:52:49 GMT 1
Let me tell you something.... This will be one of the most interesting General Elections in living history. Yes Labour will win. But if polls are correct, in the context of everything Reforms' votes are going to be absolutely massive. Its the next election we shall see them as a strong force. You're also going to see sectarian voting for the first time. People who don't recognise the law of government. Not man made laws. The only law they recognise is the law of their God. They don't give a flying nothing for the UK. We're in for a tough fooookin' 5 years at least. The woke brigade and loony left are going to run rampage. To be honest I think Reform would gain quite a few MPs if we had PR, but while the two main parties continue with their duopoly that ain't gonna happen. There are currently loads of sites and social media pages dedicated to encouraging people to vote tactically to ensure that the Tories lose as many seats as possible. There is nowhere in the country that Reform is a serious threat to any of the 3 parties. Even Clacton will be a stretch for Farage, but I doubt he'll finish behind a guy in a dolphin suit this time. I honestly don't think you know what 'woke' actually means. Try Google, it might help. As for the 'loony left' I can't believe even you could imagine that Starmer is in any way left wing. Perhaps compared to your heroes Tommy Ten Names, Farage and Oswald Moseley. Perhaps you’re comfortable with 6-year olds be able to choose a gender? Comfortable that a growing Islamic movement is sweeping Europe? Comfortable with the possibilitly ofvSharia Law in the future etc Tommy Robinson EDL days were unsavoury. But he was right about the grooming gangs etc. He’s right that the Inion flag is now scorned upon etc etc I have never been a fan of Mosely. As for Farage, he’s the only leading individual who’s saying it as it is. |
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Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Jun 12, 2024 22:13:35 GMT 1
Labour have voted against every attempt to stop the boats. Various Labour MP’s have already said they’d welcome more economic migrants.
I never thought I’d see the day when the Jewish community was threatened and scared in the UK. Not the day an imported faith prayed across our main city streets and pavements, projected images on Big Ben etc etc. Testing the water.
This is just the start. We had a problem with Finsbury Park and Captain Hook. Now, brazen takeover videos are coming out of multiple centres.
Just look at Sweden and Germany for a yardstick. Because it’s coming here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2024 6:38:10 GMT 1
To be honest I think Reform would gain quite a few MPs if we had PR, but while the two main parties continue with their duopoly that ain't gonna happen. There are currently loads of sites and social media pages dedicated to encouraging people to vote tactically to ensure that the Tories lose as many seats as possible. There is nowhere in the country that Reform is a serious threat to any of the 3 parties. Even Clacton will be a stretch for Farage, but I doubt he'll finish behind a guy in a dolphin suit this time. I honestly don't think you know what 'woke' actually means. Try Google, it might help. As for the 'loony left' I can't believe even you could imagine that Starmer is in any way left wing. Perhaps compared to your heroes Tommy Ten Names, Farage and Oswald Moseley. Perhaps you’re comfortable with 6-year olds be able to choose a gender? Comfortable that a growing Islamic movement is sweeping Europe? Comfortable with the possibilitly ofvSharia Law in the future etc Tommy Robinson EDL days were unsavoury. But he was right about the grooming gangs etc. He’s right that the Inion flag is now scorned upon etc etc I have never been a fan of Mosely. As for Farage, he’s the only leading individual who’s saying it as it is. Am I comfortable that a growing Islamic movement is sweeping Europe? No, but I'm a vehement atheist, so I am against any religious movement having any say in my daily life. However I've been to the Czech Republic, Poland, France, Belgium, Holland and Greece over the last 2 or 3 years and have seen very little if any evidence of that occurring, although I have seen swastikas painted on walls in some of those countries which is equally disturbing. Comfortable with the possibility of Sharia law in the future? Again I obviously wouldn't be comfortable with that, but it ain't gonna happen. There are Sharia arbitration 'courts' in the UK to rule on disputes between Muslims, but they have no legal powers. Tommy Ten Names has exposed precisely zero grooming gangs and came close to causing the collapse of a grooming gang trial at Leeds Crown Court in 2019. The last time he came to Telford the biggest flag he and his fanboys were carrying was an Israeli one. The far right have tried for years to make the Union Flag theirs, but it isn't, it's all of ours even though your little Principality isn't depicted on it. Farage saying it as it is? Firstly Farage is descended from German immigrants, so him ranting about immigration is a bit bloody rich IMO. He also holds a German passport. Farage is a public school boy and was noted for his fascist views even then. He has only ever worked in the City. Let me ask you a question. Does this public school educated, merchant banker that has never done a day's honest graft in his entire entitled life really speak for you? He is nothing more than a Poundshop Enoch Powell. Now let's cover your first point. Six year olds being able to choose their gender. As someone that has LGBT+ family members, including trans I don't think you have a single feckin' clue what you're talking about. Do some fact checking before you post garbage like this please, Google can no doubt help with this. |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jun 13, 2024 8:05:19 GMT 1
I remember reading a football hooligan book (can't remember the title) and in it the author said the biggest trick Enoch Powell ever made was convincing the working classes (including football supporters) that he was one of their own. He was part of the elite and would have looked down upon them. And I feel the same with Farage, he talks about fighting against the establishment but in reality he's part of it, however he's popular because he's not afraid to say thing that some people in this country completely agree with it (but get told they shouldn't say).
Despite that, I think Reform aren't going to do much this time around, even if it is a small percentage, there are still enough of their candidates/campaigners who are complete lunatics who the main parties will highlight. And that will be enough to scare off more centre right supporters who don't want to be associated with a party that has people saying we should not have fought Hitler.
To be honest I'm expecting a low turnout, most people I know don't know who to vote for as don't want to vote Tory but aren't convinced by the alternatives. I think that will certainly be the case for a lot of Tory supporters who won't vote Tory but can't bring themselves to vote Labour or Lib Dem.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 13, 2024 9:05:40 GMT 1
I remember reading a football hooligan book (can't remember the title) and in it the author said the biggest trick Enoch Powell ever made was convincing the working classes (including football supporters) that he was one of their own. He was part of the elite and would have looked down upon them. And I feel the same with Farage, he talks about fighting against the establishment but in reality he's part of it, however he's popular because he's not afraid to say thing that some people in this country completely agree with it (but get told they shouldn't say). Despite that, I think Reform aren't going to do much this time around, even if it is a small percentage, there are still enough of their candidates/campaigners who are complete lunatics who the main parties will highlight. And that will be enough to scare off more centre right supporters who don't want to be associated with a party that has people saying we should not have fought Hitler. To be honest I'm expecting a low turnout, most people I know don't know who to vote for as don't want to vote Tory but aren't convinced by the alternatives. I think that will certainly be the case for a lot of Tory supporters who won't vote Tory but can't bring themselves to vote Labour or Lib Dem. You get vile comments emerging from candidates / members of all parties unfortunately, does make me laugh how much some get highlighted compared to others, in recent months Reform have acted swiftly to remove " dodgy" candidates. The Green's especially have had some seriously unsavoury members, and there's been plenty of vile comments from the left of the Labour party in recent years too - all should be condemned equally Agree on low turnout |
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Post by mattmw on Jun 13, 2024 17:15:50 GMT 1
Have to say I didn’t have “insider betting on date of election” as one of my election bingo picks this year, but this is a very odd story www.bbc.com/news/articles/cneevz8278eoIf true seems an odd thing to do, did he not think MP acting as an aid to the PM betting on the election date might have set Ladbrookes alters off? |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 13, 2024 17:17:48 GMT 1
I remember reading a football hooligan book (can't remember the title) and in it the author said the biggest trick Enoch Powell ever made was convincing the working classes (including football supporters) that he was one of their own. He was part of the elite and would have looked down upon them. And I feel the same with Farage, he talks about fighting against the establishment but in reality he's part of it, however he's popular because he's not afraid to say thing that some people in this country completely agree with it (but get told they shouldn't say). Despite that, I think Reform aren't going to do much this time around, even if it is a small percentage, there are still enough of their candidates/campaigners who are complete lunatics who the main parties will highlight. And that will be enough to scare off more centre right supporters who don't want to be associated with a party that has people saying we should not have fought Hitler. To be honest I'm expecting a low turnout, most people I know don't know who to vote for as don't want to vote Tory but aren't convinced by the alternatives. I think that will certainly be the case for a lot of Tory supporters who won't vote Tory but can't bring themselves to vote Labour or Lib Dem. You get vile comments emerging from candidates / members of all parties unfortunately, does make me laugh how much some get highlighted compared to others, in recent months Reform have acted swiftly to remove " dodgy" candidates. The Green's especially have had some seriously unsavoury members, and there's been plenty of vile comments from the left of the Labour party in recent years too - all should be condemned equally Agree on low turnout Indeed. We once had an MP who stated Mao did more good than harm. Every party has them.  And looking to the general and recent local elections there does seem to be a fair few candidates being reported, investigated, dropped etc. More so than the norm anyhow (although I guess social media is playing a part in that, I mean more than it has done before). And agree about the Greens, one to watch as I get the feeling its becoming a bit of a sanctuary for the Corbynite cranks and loons who have fled Labour since Starmer took over. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 13, 2024 18:10:16 GMT 1
...and Germany for a yardstick. Because it’s coming here. Its very much a wait and see. I still consider the EU elections as a bit of a free hit for most (where many will vote for parties they might not normally do just to send a message). Regarding the AFD for example, whether that vote count would play out at a national level, not sure (as they have been embroiled in some controversies of late, as in more than the usual). I guess we may know more in September when we have three state elections here in the East of the country where the AFD is strongest. As for the comparison, we had the CDU for a good while here until enough of the electorate thought they weren't interested in their concerns, they then turned the SPD and gave them a chance. Two and a half years in and the SPD coalition (along with the Greens and the FDP) is in a fair amount of trouble. Dissatisfaction levels at a record high, the SPD way behind in the polls and level with the AFD. So its the CDU now back and leading the way, not the AFD. I think that there is a good chance that, having finally been given a chance by the UK electorate, Labour might well be judged just as quick. I mean it could be a huge opportunity for Labour, if Labour get this right then I think its probable they would match 14 years and then some. But then when looking to Brexit, looking to the pandemic, looking to net zero, looking to immigration, looking to the identity politics that will inevitably follow (the "culture wars" will be stoked further still) then it could get difficult for Labour fairly quickly. But its certainly a "could". Then what you are then talking about "coming here" might happen. And if so, in what manner remains to be seen. As I think the CDU were in a better place to bounce back than the Tories are now. Interesting times ahead though as despite "first past the post" shielding the established parties if Labour does make a mess of it...  All eyes to France too of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2024 18:27:38 GMT 1
...and Germany for a yardstick. Because it’s coming here. Its very much a wait and see. I still consider the EU elections as a bit of a free hit for most (where many will vote for parties they might not normally do just to send a message). Regarding the AFD for example, whether that vote count would play out at a national level, not sure (as they have been embroiled in some controversies of late, as in more than the usual). I guess we may know more in September when we have three state elections here in the East of the country where the AFD is strongest. As for the comparison, we had the CDU for a good while here until enough of the electorate thought they weren't interested in their concerns, they then turned the SPD and gave them a chance. Two and a half years in and the SPD coalition (along with the Greens and the FDP) is in a fair amount of trouble. Dissatisfaction levels at a record high, the SPD way behind in the polls and level with the AFD. So its the CDU now back and leading the way, not the AFD. I think that there is a good chance that, having finally been given a chance by the UK electorate, Labour might well be judged just as quick. I mean it could be a huge opportunity for Labour, if Labour get this right then I think its probable they would match 14 years and then some. But then when looking to Brexit, looking to the pandemic, looking to net zero, looking to immigration, looking to the identity politics that will inevitably follow (the "culture wars" will be stoked further still) then it could get difficult for Labour fairly quickly. But its certainly a "could". Then what you are then talking about "coming here" might happen. And if so, in what manner remains to be seen. As I think the CDU were in a better place to bounce back than the Tories are now. Interesting times ahead though as despite "first past the post" shielding the established parties if Labour does make a mess of it... All eyes to France too of course. Excellent post. I'll bow to your greater knowledge of politics in Germany. You obviously know much more than most people not living there. I also can't disagree with you about the EU elections being a free hit as you put it. For instance Farage has stood in 7 Westminster by-elections and never even come close to winning, but with PR he managed 4 stints as an MEP. If Labour can at least be seen to be trying to sort out the mess that 14 years of Tory rule has caused there is a good chance that they'll get a 2nd term, it's not unfortunately a given though, as the print media especially will be on their backs from day 1. They really need to be showing some progress within the first couple of years to prevent that from becoming an issue. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 13, 2024 20:23:22 GMT 1
Yougov poll now puts Reform in to 2nd place, for the first time in their history
Labour continue to leak votes to Reform and Lib Dem’s and now lower than 2017 Corbyn. Not that it will matter with regard to a record majority, but shows how crap our system is
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Post by theNOTORIOUSfbs on Jun 13, 2024 21:31:53 GMT 1
...and Germany for a yardstick. Because it’s coming here. Its very much a wait and see. I still consider the EU elections as a bit of a free hit for most (where many will vote for parties they might not normally do just to send a message). Regarding the AFD for example, whether that vote count would play out at a national level, not sure (as they have been embroiled in some controversies of late, as in more than the usual). I guess we may know more in September when we have three state elections here in the East of the country where the AFD is strongest. As for the comparison, we had the CDU for a good while here until enough of the electorate thought they weren't interested in their concerns, they then turned the SPD and gave them a chance. Two and a half years in and the SPD coalition (along with the Greens and the FDP) is in a fair amount of trouble. Dissatisfaction levels at a record high, the SPD way behind in the polls and level with the AFD. So its the CDU now back and leading the way, not the AFD. I think that there is a good chance that, having finally been given a chance by the UK electorate, Labour might well be judged just as quick. I mean it could be a huge opportunity for Labour, if Labour get this right then I think its probable they would match 14 years and then some. But then when looking to Brexit, looking to the pandemic, looking to net zero, looking to immigration, looking to the identity politics that will inevitably follow (the "culture wars" will be stoked further still) then it could get difficult for Labour fairly quickly. But its certainly a "could". Then what you are then talking about "coming here" might happen. And if so, in what manner remains to be seen. As I think the CDU were in a better place to bounce back than the Tories are now. Interesting times ahead though as despite "first past the post" shielding the established parties if Labour does make a mess of it... All eyes to France too of course. Wait and see eh? Shouldn’t we be learning from Austria, Denmark, France, Germany, Sweden now? Thousands, and I mean thousands demanding a caliphate and sharia law with the black flags of ISIS, Taliban etc Those not privy to the takeover and hate videos coming out of the UK are in for one big shock sometime soon. And this General Election will be a pointer for sectarian and tactical voting from a population which has a very high level of redundant employment. Long term dependents who have no affinity with the UK. I say act now. Not wait for the inevitable. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 14, 2024 8:27:26 GMT 1
Its very much a wait and see. I still consider the EU elections as a bit of a free hit for most (where many will vote for parties they might not normally do just to send a message). Regarding the AFD for example, whether that vote count would play out at a national level, not sure (as they have been embroiled in some controversies of late, as in more than the usual). I guess we may know more in September when we have three state elections here in the East of the country where the AFD is strongest. As for the comparison, we had the CDU for a good while here until enough of the electorate thought they weren't interested in their concerns, they then turned the SPD and gave them a chance. Two and a half years in and the SPD coalition (along with the Greens and the FDP) is in a fair amount of trouble. Dissatisfaction levels at a record high, the SPD way behind in the polls and level with the AFD. So its the CDU now back and leading the way, not the AFD. I think that there is a good chance that, having finally been given a chance by the UK electorate, Labour might well be judged just as quick. I mean it could be a huge opportunity for Labour, if Labour get this right then I think its probable they would match 14 years and then some. But then when looking to Brexit, looking to the pandemic, looking to net zero, looking to immigration, looking to the identity politics that will inevitably follow (the "culture wars" will be stoked further still) then it could get difficult for Labour fairly quickly. But its certainly a "could". Then what you are then talking about "coming here" might happen. And if so, in what manner remains to be seen. As I think the CDU were in a better place to bounce back than the Tories are now. Interesting times ahead though as despite "first past the post" shielding the established parties if Labour does make a mess of it... All eyes to France too of course. Wait and see eh? Shouldn’t we be learning from Austria, Denmark, France, Germany, Sweden now? Thousands, and I mean thousands demanding a caliphate and sharia law with the black flags of ISIS, Taliban etc Those not privy to the takeover and hate videos coming out of the UK are in for one big shock sometime soon. And this General Election will be a pointer for sectarian and tactical voting from a population which has a very high level of redundant employment. Long term dependents who have no affinity with the UK. I say act now. Not wait for the inevitable. When you spoke of "yardstick" and "coming here" I thought you were referring to so called "populist" parties unseating established parties. I think many (if not most) are well aware of the dangers posed by Islamists and it's no doubt already playing its part in European politics which in turn is tied to the question of immigration which in turn is seeing the rise of such parties within Europe. But I think how it will play out, as I mentioned above, is a wait and see. That's what I was referring to. But the UK is a bit of an outlier at the moment because it has had 14 years of the Tories, the focus now is it give the Tories a kicking and give Labour a go (which is fair enough, I don't see why they ought not to be given that chance after being out of government for so long). However, that's not the case elsewhere. I'm sure for example, the recent incident in Mannheim (which was caught on camera for all to see) would have played its part in the recent EU elections and the support given to the AFD (who did well despite their recent troubles). And no doubt such incidents are going to play out again and again. We already have both the SPD and CDU talking tougher on immigration, asylum, repatriation, etc. and they maybe more inclined to act because the electoral system doesn't shield them from the likes of the AFD (from the right) and the new BSW (from the left). Things aren't simply going to change over night (as I am sure is your wish) but there does seem to be a bit of a sea change happening. But to what extent, again I think that's very much a wait and see. I mean when push comes to shove Macron's gamble might pay off in France and the French electorate will pull back from voting for National Rally. Just to add, one of the interesting things you see in all this is that when it comes to those voting for the AFD (and also for National Rally in France) is their support amongst younger voters. That's also going to be very interesting to follow going forward, if that is maintained. |
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jun 14, 2024 12:18:17 GMT 1
Good to see Noto isn't just deluded about the fortunes of his football club.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 15, 2024 9:45:12 GMT 1
Wait and see eh? Shouldn’t we be learning from Austria, Denmark, France, Germany, Sweden now? Thousands, and I mean thousands demanding a caliphate and sharia law with the black flags of ISIS, Taliban etc Those not privy to the takeover and hate videos coming out of the UK are in for one big shock sometime soon. And this General Election will be a pointer for sectarian and tactical voting from a population which has a very high level of redundant employment. Long term dependents who have no affinity with the UK. I say act now. Not wait for the inevitable. When you spoke of "yardstick" and "coming here" I thought you were referring to so called "populist" parties unseating established parties. I think many (if not most) are well aware of the dangers posed by Islamists and it's no doubt already playing its part in European politics which in turn is tied to the question of immigration which in turn is seeing the rise of such parties within Europe. But I think how it will play out, as I mentioned above, is a wait and see. That's what I was referring to. But the UK is a bit of an outlier at the moment because it has had 14 years of the Tories, the focus now is it give the Tories a kicking and give Labour a go (which is fair enough, I don't see why they ought not to be given that chance after being out of government for so long). However, that's not the case elsewhere. I'm sure for example, the recent incident in Mannheim (which was caught on camera for all to see) would have played its part in the recent EU elections and the support given to the AFD (who did well despite their recent troubles). And no doubt such incidents are going to play out again and again. We already have both the SPD and CDU talking tougher on immigration, asylum, repatriation, etc. and they maybe more inclined to act because the electoral system doesn't shield them from the likes of the AFD (from the right) and the new BSW (from the left). Things aren't simply going to change over night (as I am sure is your wish) but there does seem to be a bit of a sea change happening. But to what extent, again I think that's very much a wait and see. I mean when push comes to shove Macron's gamble might pay off in France and the French electorate will pull back from voting for National Rally. Just to add, one of the interesting things you see in all this is that when it comes to those voting for the AFD (and also for National Rally in France) is their support amongst younger voters. That's also going to be very interesting to follow going forward, if that is maintained. i was listening to a review of the EU Elections and it mentioned how the party's to right had managed to get significant numbers of young voters, in the uk my impression is that younger voters are more likely to vote for socialist parts but apathy is a huge factor in many younger voters |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 15, 2024 9:57:58 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2qql1wk794oOh the poor love! No Sky TV when he was growing up? How devastating. It's a wonder that he survived. Also, sorry I'm late the D Day commemoration over ran. I ask everyone to please vote this entitled little s*** out of office. I don't care if you vote Labour, Reform, LibDem, Green or Count BinFace just get them out. Sunak is so out of touch with the British public, he makes things worse when tries things like this, just like the fiasco at the petrol station. many people were having to choose between eating or heating and then you find he spends 13,000 a year heating his swimming pool !! |
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Post by mattmw on Jun 15, 2024 10:27:34 GMT 1
When you spoke of "yardstick" and "coming here" I thought you were referring to so called "populist" parties unseating established parties. I think many (if not most) are well aware of the dangers posed by Islamists and it's no doubt already playing its part in European politics which in turn is tied to the question of immigration which in turn is seeing the rise of such parties within Europe. But I think how it will play out, as I mentioned above, is a wait and see. That's what I was referring to. But the UK is a bit of an outlier at the moment because it has had 14 years of the Tories, the focus now is it give the Tories a kicking and give Labour a go (which is fair enough, I don't see why they ought not to be given that chance after being out of government for so long). However, that's not the case elsewhere. I'm sure for example, the recent incident in Mannheim (which was caught on camera for all to see) would have played its part in the recent EU elections and the support given to the AFD (who did well despite their recent troubles). And no doubt such incidents are going to play out again and again. We already have both the SPD and CDU talking tougher on immigration, asylum, repatriation, etc. and they maybe more inclined to act because the electoral system doesn't shield them from the likes of the AFD (from the right) and the new BSW (from the left). Things aren't simply going to change over night (as I am sure is your wish) but there does seem to be a bit of a sea change happening. But to what extent, again I think that's very much a wait and see. I mean when push comes to shove Macron's gamble might pay off in France and the French electorate will pull back from voting for National Rally. Just to add, one of the interesting things you see in all this is that when it comes to those voting for the AFD (and also for National Rally in France) is their support amongst younger voters. That's also going to be very interesting to follow going forward, if that is maintained. i was listening to a review of the EU Elections and it mentioned how the party's to right had managed to get significant numbers of young voters, in the uk my impression is that younger voters are more likely to vote for socialist parts but apathy is a huge factor in many younger voters There’s some stats on the likely voting intentions of different age groups in the election on this site www.statista.com/statistics/1379439/uk-election-polls-by-age/It was always said you start off left wing as you are younger then get more right wing as you get older. Not sure how true that is Traditionally older voters are more likely to go out and vote where as younger ages groups are less likely to vote which evens things up a bit, but clearly under 30s if they come out and vote are much more likely to be voting Labour rather than Conservative |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 15, 2024 11:52:57 GMT 1
When you spoke of "yardstick" and "coming here" I thought you were referring to so called "populist" parties unseating established parties. I think many (if not most) are well aware of the dangers posed by Islamists and it's no doubt already playing its part in European politics which in turn is tied to the question of immigration which in turn is seeing the rise of such parties within Europe. But I think how it will play out, as I mentioned above, is a wait and see. That's what I was referring to. But the UK is a bit of an outlier at the moment because it has had 14 years of the Tories, the focus now is it give the Tories a kicking and give Labour a go (which is fair enough, I don't see why they ought not to be given that chance after being out of government for so long). However, that's not the case elsewhere. I'm sure for example, the recent incident in Mannheim (which was caught on camera for all to see) would have played its part in the recent EU elections and the support given to the AFD (who did well despite their recent troubles). And no doubt such incidents are going to play out again and again. We already have both the SPD and CDU talking tougher on immigration, asylum, repatriation, etc. and they maybe more inclined to act because the electoral system doesn't shield them from the likes of the AFD (from the right) and the new BSW (from the left). Things aren't simply going to change over night (as I am sure is your wish) but there does seem to be a bit of a sea change happening. But to what extent, again I think that's very much a wait and see. I mean when push comes to shove Macron's gamble might pay off in France and the French electorate will pull back from voting for National Rally. Just to add, one of the interesting things you see in all this is that when it comes to those voting for the AFD (and also for National Rally in France) is their support amongst younger voters. That's also going to be very interesting to follow going forward, if that is maintained. i was listening to a review of the EU Elections and it mentioned how the party's to right had managed to get significant numbers of young voters, in the uk my impression is that younger voters are more likely to vote for socialist parts but apathy is a huge factor in many younger voters I think the number of young voters planning to vote for the Tories this time around is in the single digits (I think it may even be around 4% in some age brackets) but again, I do think the UK is a bit of a outlier at the moment because its had 14 years of a Conservative government. That's not the same situation say here in Germany where we have had both CDU and SPD led coalitions of late so voters, young and old, can look and compare. No idea how its all going to play out of course but what I mean is that for younger voters in the UK there isn't a great deal to compare against a Tory government (although I suppose you can, and I do, look to Wales and the SNP in Scotland) because its all they have known. If you get my meaning. So it will be interesting to see how it looks when Labour have had a stint.👍 I mean this is a huge opportunity for Labour, big time. But then that was said of the Tories last time around and look to the state of play now. |
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And looking to the general and recent local elections there does seem to be a fair few candidates being reported, investigated, dropped etc. More so than the norm anyhow (although I guess social media is playing a part in that, I mean more than it has done before). And agree about the Greens, one to watch as I get the feeling its becoming a bit of a sanctuary for the Corbynite cranks and loons who have fled Labour since Starmer took over.
