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Post by Worthingshrew on May 22, 2024 17:23:00 GMT 1
I’ll start this thread. About time, it was called, at last.
Going to be a busy and interesting 6 weeks.
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Post by armchairfan on May 22, 2024 17:46:47 GMT 1
I’ll start this thread. About time, it was called, at last. Going to be a busy and interesting 6 weeks. I suspect that it will become increasingly, repetitive, vitriolic and nasty. May we all live in interesting times.... |
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Post by gollum on May 22, 2024 17:52:19 GMT 1
Yes , about time .
What on earth was that noise almost drowning out Sunak as he made his speech .
Are people allowed to do this ? Can’t the Police stop them from almost ridiculing Sunak as he tried to tell us all that the government had made the right decisions and that Starmer and his party had no plan .
Whatever , with the noise almost drowning out Sunak whilst he got soaked by the rain he managed to tell us that the country will go to the polls on 4th July .
What a surprise with the Tory party so far behind in the polls!
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Post by MetaShrew on May 22, 2024 18:03:09 GMT 1
Yes , about time . What on earth was that noise almost drowning out Sunak as he made his speech . Are people allowed to do this ? Can’t the Police stop them from almost ridiculing Sunak as he tried to tell us all that the government had made the right decisions and that Starmer and his party had no plan . Whatever , with the noise almost drowning out Sunak whilst he got soaked by the rain he managed to tell us that the country will go to the polls on 4th July . What a surprise with the Tory party so far behind in the polls! Things Can Only Get Wetter for Rishi! |
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Post by ssshrew on May 22, 2024 18:05:11 GMT 1
At least it will be over in time for them all to enjoy their holidays.
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Post by darkshrew on May 22, 2024 18:21:08 GMT 1
I would love labour to leave Ludlow and north Shropshire to the Lib Dem’s in return for the Lib Dem’s leaving Shrewsbury to labour.
Threefold benefit
Helen Morgan stays in north Shropshire - doing a cracking job
Danny K kicked out in Shrewsbury
Matt gets a chance to get back to Westminster
Wipe the tories out in Shropshire - tactical voting is the way to go
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Post by staffordshrew on May 22, 2024 18:30:08 GMT 1
The stars aligned, a small increase in GDP had been announced. The inflation rate reduced, mainly because the electric and gas tariffs reduced a month or so ago. But look at the increasing cost of raw materials, aluminium, etc. the impact of the wet winter on farmer's crops this summer, cocoa, plus rents, council tax, mortgages too at the moment, and this is a golden moment. Whichever party gets in the inflation rate is going to rise again in the next few months, maybe even before the election.
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Post by mattmw on May 22, 2024 19:15:57 GMT 1
20/1 at the bookies for a Conservative minority government after the election looks very good value at the moment.
Whilst this might not happen the polls normally narrow during an election campaign and should allow a good cash out profit later in the campaign
Very little betting value on Labour winning a majority or most seats, but quite a few bookies offering 5/4 on Reform to win 1 seat or more might be a profitable bet especially if they target seats.
Whether Reform form an agreement with Conservatives looks unlikely but could be a factor in some key seats.
I think tactical voting will play a big role in this election with there already many websites and campaigns to urge peope to vote tactically. I don't think Labour and Lib Dems will agree anything publically but informal local agreements will play a big factor too, and Gove's seat is already being targeted by the Lib Dems.
What seems a little surprising is that many Conservative MP's and activists seemed unware the announcement was coming today, and the relationship between Westminster and local constituancy groups seems as poor as its been for many years. Normally come election time the Conservative party as a whole really comes together despite past differences, but not quite sure some Conservatives are really 100% behind Sunak
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Post by kenwood on May 22, 2024 22:36:44 GMT 1
Kemi Badenoch and Penny Mordaunt are waiting to see what the general consensus is within the party .
Mordaunt ‘s seat is under threat apparently but Badenoch is the favourite to become party leader . Will she be giving Sunak her full support ? it’s doubtful but she’ll be playing a very cagey game.
I suppose the Rwanda situation has been placed on hold and no one will be flying to their new home .
It’s a bit of a mess really with some MP’s not at all pleased with Sunak feeling they’ve been left high and dry . For some they see their career as MP’s coming to an abrupt end . They feel Sunak couldn’t care less , if he loses which is likely he’ll be off to the USA with his fortune intact thanks to his wife’s family contacts .
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2024 6:55:37 GMT 1
20/1 at the bookies for a Conservative minority government after the election looks very good value at the moment. Twice in the last 15 years we've had Tory minority governments and that has worked out so, so well. Who is realistically going to pin their colours to the Tory mast this time around? The LibDems got burnt so badly last time that it would be political suicide to try it again. No-one in their right mind would want the DUP tail wagging the Tory dog again. That leaves Reform, as if they are likely to win over enough bigots to be more than a minor irritation.
FWIW I have said before and and I stand by it, a small Labour majority would be the best result all round. A landslide gives them too much power and leads to complacency and poor government. A small minority or even needing the help of the Greens or LibDems to form a government would keep them honest.
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Post by mattmw on May 23, 2024 8:03:47 GMT 1
Kemi Badenoch and Penny Mordaunt are waiting to see what the general consensus is within the party . Mordaunt ‘s seat is under threat apparently but Badenoch is the favourite to become party leader . Will she be giving Sunak her full support ? it’s doubtful but she’ll be playing a very cagey game. I suppose the Rwanda situation has been placed on hold and no one will be flying to their new home . It’s a bit of a mess really with some MP’s not at all pleased with Sunak feeling they’ve been left high and dry . For some they see their career as MP’s coming to an abrupt end . They feel Sunak couldn’t care less , if he loses which is likely he’ll be off to the USA with his fortune intact thanks to his wife’s family contacts . What the future Conservative party looks like after the election is probably one of the most interesting and important parts of the election campaign. Based on the polling it looks likely they won't be in power, and with so many current and former ministers not standing, and as you say the likelyhood Sunak will stand down as leader and head off to the US, there is likely to be a opposition void for a good 6 months post election. Its important that there is a good, functioning opposition to keep the ruling party in check, but its really unclear what a futue Conservative opposition will look like. Its already noticiable how few Conservative ministers stood up yesterday to support Sunak's decision and I think a few current ministers will keep a low profile in the election campaign. Post election does the party go more in the direction of bringing Reform style policies into the party and focus on lower taxes, reduced immigration and a smaller government or look more to a return to the centre with a candidate like Mordaunt, or will they be like Labour in the 80s and early 90's and decend into a series of internal fights rather than form a meaningful opposition |
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Post by staffordshrew on May 23, 2024 9:34:02 GMT 1
Penny Mordaunt may have a small majority, but from the outside she seems to have done a good job, FWIW I think she will keep her seat.
Kemi Badenoch looks like a big factor in perpetuating the splits within the Conservative party and steering them away from the centre right party they need to be. FWIW I think the Conservative party would be better off if she lost her seat.
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Post by Valerioch on May 23, 2024 9:57:23 GMT 1
Good lord a Labour/Green/Lib Dem coalition suggested... shivers down the spine moment. Sooner the Sir wins a landslide, and i'm not on about the irrelevant Lib Dem bloke!!
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Post by sheltonsalopian on May 23, 2024 9:59:55 GMT 1
No drama, Vote Starmer.
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Post by Valerioch on May 23, 2024 10:48:13 GMT 1
For the first election in my life, I really don't know what to do
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Post by sheltonsalopian on May 23, 2024 11:15:54 GMT 1
For the first election in my life, I really don't know what to do You could always just spoil your ballot. |
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Post by MetaShrew on May 23, 2024 11:41:02 GMT 1
Keir Starmer = Steer Calmer |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2024 13:26:19 GMT 1
Penny Mordaunt may have a small majority, but from the outside she seems to have done a good job, FWIW I think she will keep her seat. Kemi Badenoch looks like a big factor in perpetuating the splits within the Conservative party and steering them away from the centre right party they need to be. FWIW I think the Conservative party would be better off if she lost her seat. Would be interested to know why you think she does a good job. She seems to do very little apart from hold a sword, and look miserable on the front bench for each PMQs. |
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Post by staffordshrew on May 23, 2024 15:52:18 GMT 1
Penny Mordaunt may have a small majority, but from the outside she seems to have done a good job, FWIW I think she will keep her seat. Kemi Badenoch looks like a big factor in perpetuating the splits within the Conservative party and steering them away from the centre right party they need to be. FWIW I think the Conservative party would be better off if she lost her seat. Would be interested to know why you think she does a good job. She seems to do very little apart from hold a sword, and look miserable on the front bench for each PMQs. That's really up to her constituents. Let's just say she's a prominent personality who seemed to do a thorough job at the coronation and as Leader of the House of Commons. Sour b***h face doesn't bar anyone from being elected, otherwise Priti Patel would never have become an MP.  |
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Post by DiglisShrew on May 23, 2024 19:12:19 GMT 1
Interesting to note that the crowd of people wearing high viz jackets asking Rishi questions this morning were in fact local Conservative councillors. I thought the questions from “factory workers “ were a bit one sided 🙄
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Post by kenwood on May 23, 2024 21:36:31 GMT 1
Interesting to note that the crowd of people wearing high viz jackets asking Rishi questions this morning were in fact local Conservative councillors. I thought the questions from “factory workers “ were a bit one sided 🙄 A put up job. Just goes to show you cannot trust the slimy little t**t. |
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Post by armchairfan on May 24, 2024 15:29:16 GMT 1
Interesting to note that the crowd of people wearing high viz jackets asking Rishi questions this morning were in fact local Conservative councillors. I thought the questions from “factory workers “ were a bit one sided 🙄 A put up job. Just goes to show you cannot trust the slimy little t**t. I thought the press report was that ONE of them was a local Councillor, not that the crowd was....correct me if I'm wrong, and apologise if your assertion is inaccurate, please. As for your parting shot, please try and refrain from that sort of language. |
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Post by DiglisShrew on May 24, 2024 23:04:43 GMT 1
Who’s organising Rishi’s photo opportunities ??!!
Today they send him to the Belfast shipyard where the Titanic was built !! Talk of a sinking ship !! 🙈😂
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Post by DiglisShrew on May 26, 2024 19:08:18 GMT 1
A put up job. Just goes to show you cannot trust the slimy little t**t. I thought the press report was that ONE of them was a local Councillor, not that the crowd was....correct me if I'm wrong, and apologise if your assertion is inaccurate, please. As for your parting shot, please try and refrain from that sort of language. It’s true - all questions were by local councillors 👍 |
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Post by DiglisShrew on May 26, 2024 19:10:50 GMT 1
Who’s organising Rishi’s photo opportunities ??!! Today they send him to the Belfast shipyard where the Titanic was built !! Talk of a sinking ship !! 🙈😂 So now as a non drinker he visits a Welsh brewery and asks , supposedly , Welsh workers if they are “looking forward to the football” ! Surely someone could have advised him that Wales failed to qualify for the 2024 Euros 🙄🤔 |
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Post by northwestman on May 29, 2024 9:09:01 GMT 1
This is the bribery election. All sides appear to be reverting to their basest instincts with ill-thought-out policies designed not for the national interest but to cajole an unenthused base. The equivalent of free electoral viagra handed out at the world’s ugliest orgy.
Labour, for instance, isn’t even bothering to argue the principled case for giving the vote to children. Interviewed by GB News, shadow paymaster general Jonathan Ashworth gulped and gawped in the general direction of the camera when asked for statistics about how many under-18s actually pay tax or join the Army, or to explain the logical inconsistency of giving 16-year-olds the vote while preventing them from being tried as adults, buying a cigarette, or even being shown food adverts.
The truth was he didn’t know, nor, it appeared, did he care. The presenters’ mistake was to apply logical arguments to a purely cynical decision.
The Conservatives have assumed the other extreme – luring their core electorate with a pensions “triple lock plus”; designed to drag the faithful elderly out on a cavalry charge of Zimmer frames and so save a few Tory seats. Mel Stride, the stuttering ying to Mr Ashworth’s yang, blustered his way through an interview about why this was wise when he’d admitted just last year that he believed even a triple lock was “unsustainable”.
I’m sure Mr Stride still believes this, but the real reason for such a policy has nothing to do with what’s sensible or sustainable but, as with Labour, pure bribery. What’s next; votes for zygotes? Nationalise Stannah stairlifts? Viking River Cruises for all?
Alongside the bungs for pensioners and the youth gerrymandering, there is Labour’s tax on private schools, which even party insiders quietly admit will raise less than a whip round after a school fete.
Then there is the Tories’ ill-conceived National Service idea, belched out with little detail earlier this week. It seems designed to nuke still further the already irradiated wasteland that is Tory polling among the under-40s. Both policies appear calculated to punish “the other side”. Neither suggests long-term thinking or a hopeful vision for Britain’s future. Probably because neither side has or can afford one.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by rob62 on May 29, 2024 10:29:40 GMT 1
Both the Labour and Tories are pandering to their base my announcing dog whistle policies with no thought to the long term issues of the country.
Politics at its most depressing and cynical.
I wish to god we had a fair electoral system then the dominance of the failed parties might be broken
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Post by Valerioch on May 29, 2024 11:42:25 GMT 1
Giving 16 year olds a vote is one of the most stupid ideas I've heard in a long time, and a pure cynical way to get more votes from Labour
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Post by rob62 on May 29, 2024 12:39:26 GMT 1
Agree many 16 year olds (not all) don't know their arse from their elbow.A truly cynical and misguided idea from Labour in their quest for power at all costs
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Post by wookeywombat on May 29, 2024 13:04:24 GMT 1
Giving 16 year olds a vote is one of the most stupid ideas I've heard in a long time, and a pure cynical way to get more votes from Labour There are just as many 16 years olds who are capable of a reasoned vote as there are in other age groups. |
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