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Post by ssshrew on Jul 16, 2024 12:44:57 GMT 1
Perhaps it’s because so many foreign players are playing the in Prem that the England team doesn’t have enough choice.
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Post by vladimir on Jul 16, 2024 12:47:24 GMT 1
Carricks not a bad shout. Thoughts on carswell? Same route as Southgate. Not forgetting the other England winning manager Mr Paul Simpson. I'll get me coat Carsley can take his best pal, a certain Mickey Moore to be part of the coaching team!
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 16, 2024 12:52:34 GMT 1
Think they’ll promote from within, Lee Carsley or even Steve Holland wouldn’t surprise me.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 16, 2024 12:55:17 GMT 1
Thank you, Gareth. Restored the standing of the England team within the country and around Europe, if not the world, but time for a change. I favour Eddie Howe, but can't see him being available. I would say that Howe could be very interested now that Amanda Staveley and her husband have left Newcastle. Weren’t they instrumental in appointing him at Toon?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 16, 2024 13:03:08 GMT 1
Not sure what students of the game think but this is worth a watch...
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 16, 2024 13:04:25 GMT 1
Trouble is all our players are talked up by the pundits, journalists etc,to be world class.but after watching us perform right through the tournament....of that they are certainly not!! Honestly if every foreign player packed their bags and left how many clubs would we have qualifying for Europe every year? We only get 7-8 every year based on the previous year's results. We would go down to 4, maybe 5 at best with three years. We'd be level with the Czechs, Poles or even Scotland 😂
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 16, 2024 13:22:31 GMT 1
Come on Pilch, that conspiracy theory has been swimming around social media all day. You can do better than that owd lad. What next, demand a replay because it's not fair? The last two games England reasonably played well. Against the Dutch we managed to get the win, although we played quite well yesterday we were beaten by the superior team. No shame in that, but whinging and bleating about the amount of stoppage time just shows us to be bad losers. No wonder everyone else in Europe, with the possible exception of Portugal, were supporting Spain. As an Englishman living abroad for the best part of 15 years, I'd say the biggest issue foreign fans have with England is the arrogance that we have the best players, and that other countries players are inferior to ours. We should be beating the likes of Spain 😂 Sorry I'll get me coat......
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 16, 2024 13:27:40 GMT 1
The problem with a Carsley or Holland is the big egos in the playing squad and the ‘show us your medals’ mentality.
We need a big personality who has a winning record, Ancelotti would be my choice but I know that’s not possible.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jul 16, 2024 14:00:03 GMT 1
The problem with a Carsley or Holland is the big egos in the playing squad and the ‘show us your medals’ mentality. We need a big personality who has a winning record, Ancelotti would be my choice but I know that’s not possible. As a manager Carsley can show them his England U21 Euro winners medal from last year. I would imagine that most of them will have worked with him in the U21s over the years. Could be a good shout
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 16, 2024 14:20:02 GMT 1
The problem with a Carsley or Holland is the big egos in the playing squad and the ‘show us your medals’ mentality. We need a big personality who has a winning record, Ancelotti would be my choice but I know that’s not possible. That's why I suggested Carrick. 5 league titles, 1 FA Cup, 3 League Cups, 6 Community Shields, 1 Champions League, 1 Europa League and a Club World Cup. Oh and an Inter-Toto Cup with West Ham.
He was the best of that generation to come through the West Ham system along with Lampard and Joe Cole, but he was the least appreciated. Only 34 caps over 15 seasons was criminal.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 16, 2024 17:02:13 GMT 1
Thank you for everything you have done Gareth Southgate, you have achieved more semi finals and finals than any other England manager. You deserve a break as the job is a poisoned chalice. It was time to go
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 16, 2024 17:07:20 GMT 1
This will never happen but I would like to see the English ladies manager Sarina Wingman have a go. Look up her record on Wikipedia. She has won silver wear in the Dutch league, got to a world cup final and won the euros with England When she took charge England looked a much better team,they looked a better choesive tean,they started to beat the top tier teams she is very astute tacticaly, her team know there roles and they were transformed.
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 16, 2024 17:18:53 GMT 1
Trouble is all our players are talked up by the pundits, journalists etc,to be world class.but after watching us perform right through the tournament....of that they are certainly not!! Honestly if every foreign player packed their bags and left how many clubs would we have qualifying for Europe every year? We only get 7-8 every year based on the previous year's results. We would go down to 4, maybe 5 at best with three years. We'd be level with the Czechs, Poles or even Scotland 😂 Would that we were level with Scotland. They are playing in the top division of the European Nations League, we are in the second tier. As are Poland for that matter.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jul 16, 2024 17:32:58 GMT 1
The problem with a Carsley or Holland is the big egos in the playing squad and the ‘show us your medals’ mentality. We need a big personality who has a winning record, Ancelotti would be my choice but I know that’s not possible. [br Has that mattered with Southgate? He's been the most successful coach in a very long time and was a decent player but not any better, and never coached a high level
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jul 16, 2024 17:41:09 GMT 1
Perhaps it’s because so many foreign players are playing the in Prem that the England team doesn’t have enough choice. Not enough choice??? The squad and possible options are as talented as I can ever remember. When a squad can ignore the most expensive English player ever (Grealish) and some of the other players who play at pretty top tier clubs Rashford, Reece James, Maddison, Curtis Jones, Eric Dier, Jadon Sancho, then the players ability or talent is not the problem.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 16, 2024 17:45:36 GMT 1
Honestly if every foreign player packed their bags and left how many clubs would we have qualifying for Europe every year? We only get 7-8 every year based on the previous year's results. We would go down to 4, maybe 5 at best with three years. We'd be level with the Czechs, Poles or even Scotland 😂 Would that we were level with Scotland. They are playing in the top division of the European Nations League, we are in the second tier. As are Poland for that matter. It was only a couple of weeks ago one or two on here were obsessed with fifa rankings , now we are on about uefa groups like they really matter , they have been designed to try and take the dullness out of friendlies and mix up the competition and also prevent manipulation of fifa rankings
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 16, 2024 17:46:09 GMT 1
Honestly if every foreign player packed their bags and left how many clubs would we have qualifying for Europe every year? We only get 7-8 every year based on the previous year's results. We would go down to 4, maybe 5 at best with three years. We'd be level with the Czechs, Poles or even Scotland 😂 Would that we were level with Scotland. They are playing in the top division of the European Nations League, we are in the second tier. As are Poland for that matter. Dont think the top countries take a huge amount of notice about the Nations League. If they do well then fine but if they dont it's not much of an issue. It's a tournament too far and for the top countries, a time to try things out. It's like the International countries equivalent to the lick of Paint trophy.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 16, 2024 17:49:49 GMT 1
Thank you for everything you have done Gareth Southgate, you have achieved more semi finals and finals than any other England manager. You deserve a break as the job is a poisoned chalice. It was time to go I'd certainly not fancy being the new England boss. If he doesnt get to at least a semi final in the next 2 tournaments he will be classed as a total failure and out on his ear. Southgate will have the pick of whatever job he wants after his record with England. I bet he is glad to get away from the critical fans, and I cant blame him.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 16, 2024 17:58:59 GMT 1
The next England manager only has to win the world Cup in style to satisfy most of the moaning fans 😝
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Post by mattmw on Jul 16, 2024 18:09:02 GMT 1
Tend to think managing an international side is very different to managing a club side, so would ideally like the next England manager to have had some international experience. That said none of the initial list of candidates is very inspiring
As others have pointed out England’s overall record under Southgate has been very good in terms of progressing to tournaments and getting to the later stages. Where we tend to come unstuck is against the very top level sides like Spain Italy and France, and it’s hard to get experience playing those sides in a competitive game as we tend to not be drawn against them that often in qualifying
Think that’s why someone with high level international experience - ideally a winning one being manager would I think help
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 16, 2024 18:10:42 GMT 1
Thank you for everything you have done Gareth Southgate, you have achieved more semi finals and finals than any other England manager. You deserve a break as the job is a poisoned chalice. It was time to go Southgate will have the pick of whatever job he wants after his record with England. You surely can’t believe that? I have the upmost respect for the job he’s done, and the way he created a togetherness in the squad and got the fans believing, but if you think he’s going to be the most in demand out of work manager around I think you’re massively over estimating. I also think international management requires a different skillset than club management, you see the squad for one week every three months as opposed to working on the training ground every single day.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 16, 2024 18:14:00 GMT 1
Southgate will have the pick of whatever job he wants after his record with England. You surely can’t believe that? I have the upmost respect for the job he’s done, and the way he created a togetherness in the squad and got the fans believing, but if you think he’s going to be the most in demand out of work manager around I think you’re massively over estimating. I also think international management requires a different skillset than club management, you see the squad for one week every three months as opposed to working on the training ground every single day. He will be able to pick and chose whatever job comes available. Of course he might just want some peace and quiet and not bother with anything high pressured for a while. I wouldnt blame him if he chose that option either.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 16, 2024 22:23:01 GMT 1
The problem with a Carsley or Holland is the big egos in the playing squad and the ‘show us your medals’ mentality. We need a big personality who has a winning record, Ancelotti would be my choice but I know that’s not possible. [br Has that mattered with Southgate? He's been the most successful coach in a very long time and was a decent player but not any better, and never coached a high level Different circumstances, the national team was a shambles when Southgate took over. Now he’s made getting to finals the benchmark so I think his successor needs to be someone with a record of winning at a high level. Appoint a backroom boy who doesn’t equal or improve Southgate’s record and the backlash will be enormous.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 16, 2024 22:33:16 GMT 1
[br Has that mattered with Southgate? He's been the most successful coach in a very long time and was a decent player but not any better, and never coached a high level Different circumstances, the national team was a shambles when Southgate took over. Now he’s made getting to finals the benchmark so I think his successor needs to be someone with a record of winning at a high level. Appoint a backroom boy who doesn’t equal or improve Southgate’s record and the backlash will be enormous. Appoint anyone who doesnt equal or improve Southgates record and there will be enormous backlash. There is almost a generation that expect it to be normal to get to the semi finals of major tournaments. His successor is almost certain to be classed a failure.
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 16, 2024 22:46:02 GMT 1
Would that we were level with Scotland. They are playing in the top division of the European Nations League, we are in the second tier. As are Poland for that matter. It was only a couple of weeks ago one or two on here were obsessed with fifa rankings , now we are on about uefa groups like they really matter , they have been designed to try and take the dullness out of friendlies and mix up the competition and also prevent manipulation of fifa rankings They do matter because positions in the Nations League will have an effect on qualifying for the World Cup. Because England will not be seeded and only the top team in each group of four will automatically qualify for the world cup, it could mean we are in a group with France or Spain or etc
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 17, 2024 7:04:54 GMT 1
It was only a couple of weeks ago one or two on here were obsessed with fifa rankings , now we are on about uefa groups like they really matter , they have been designed to try and take the dullness out of friendlies and mix up the competition and also prevent manipulation of fifa rankings They do matter because positions in the Nations League will have an effect on qualifying for the World Cup. Because England will not be seeded and only the top team in each group of four will automatically qualify for the world cup, it could mean we are in a group with France or Spain or etc I'm not sure how this works, so I'll bow to your greater knowledge, but does that mean it's already decided or could we join the seeded teams by winning our Group B league and getting promoted to Group A before the WC qualification groups are decided?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 17, 2024 7:34:35 GMT 1
Different circumstances, the national team was a shambles when Southgate took over. Now he’s made getting to finals the benchmark so I think his successor needs to be someone with a record of winning at a high level. Appoint a backroom boy who doesn’t equal or improve Southgate’s record and the backlash will be enormous. Appoint anyone who doesnt equal or improve Southgates record and there will be enormous backlash. There is almost a generation that expect it to be normal to get to the semi finals of major tournaments. His successor is almost certain to be classed a failure. I guess we can leave aside whether Southgate's tenure is seen as a success or a failure considering we didn't win anything but if it is to be judged as the former, when you say "appoint anyone who doesn't equal or improve Southgate's record and there will be enormous backlash"; from where though, by who? Surely it would very much depend on the circumstances? I firmly believe one of the biggest factors of England getting through to the final this time around is because we went up against Slovakia, Switzerland and the Dutch. If things had fallen differently we might have found ourselves on the same side of the draw as Germany, France and Spain and might well have been knocked out in the round of sixteen nevermind the quarters. And I would have seen that in the exact same way as I would being beaten in the final by someone like Spain (where we might well have been beaten by a better team). I do think one or two need to give England fans a little more credit.👍
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Post by Pilch on Jul 17, 2024 7:42:06 GMT 1
It was only a couple of weeks ago one or two on here were obsessed with fifa rankings , now we are on about uefa groups like they really matter , they have been designed to try and take the dullness out of friendlies and mix up the competition and also prevent manipulation of fifa rankings They do matter because positions in the Nations League will have an effect on qualifying for the World Cup. Because England will not be seeded and only the top team in each group of four will automatically qualify for the world cup, it could mean we are in a group with France or Spain or etc In my experience it doesn't benefit sides that have an easy route to the World Cup finals , plus it not like the past where only the top club qualifies it also gives a few fans too much expectation after they romp the qualifying group
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 17, 2024 8:20:47 GMT 1
They do matter because positions in the Nations League will have an effect on qualifying for the World Cup. Because England will not be seeded and only the top team in each group of four will automatically qualify for the world cup, it could mean we are in a group with France or Spain or etc I'm not sure how this works, so I'll bow to your greater knowledge, but does that mean it's already decided or could we join the seeded teams by winning our Group B league and getting promoted to Group A before the WC qualification groups are decided? Already decided that the seeded teams are from the current A league. We would enter the World Cup Draw in the second pot if we win our B league "Only 12 teams are awarded top seeds for qualifying, with those being handed to the 12 best teams across the Nations League League A bracket, with the competition beginning in September. After finishing fourth in the previous edition in 2022, England were relegated to League B. In this league, they will compete against the Republic of Ireland, Greece, and Finland. As a result, they are not eligible to be one of the top seeds"
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 17, 2024 8:36:59 GMT 1
Southgate resignation letter. He passed it to Kane who passed it back to Bellingham who passed it sideways to Stones who passed it back to Walker who passed it back to Pickford who booted it long to the FA.
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