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Post by Pilch on Jul 15, 2024 16:11:19 GMT 1
Addressing the question of who can succeed Southgate, the person we appoint must: - Be available - Have recent experience of English and European club football - Be known for playing fast attacking football - Be good with the media Ladies and gentlemen I give you Jurgen Klopp😀 jeez no, can you imagine the moaning and excuses he would spout during the season, id rather have joey barton ;-)
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 15, 2024 16:13:30 GMT 1
You missed must be English. Have always thought the coach is part of the team and should be from the country. Just imagine Klogg and were in the final against Germany. Not for me paying some mercenary to manage ‘our’ team. How many teams around the world are managed by foreign coaches? Cameroon, AFCON 5 times winners. A Belgian. The Lionesses. A Dutch woman. Most teams in the premiership have foreign coaches. Are all these people and many more really nothing more than mercenaries? Just giving my opinion my point being an Englishman would want his country to win more than a German would. Why when you’ve got 23/4 player squad representing their country why not the coach? Has a foreign coach ever worked for us?
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 15, 2024 16:16:56 GMT 1
How many teams around the world are managed by foreign coaches? Cameroon, AFCON 5 times winners. A Belgian. The Lionesses. A Dutch woman. Most teams in the premiership have foreign coaches. Are all these people and many more really nothing more than mercenaries? Just giving my opinion my point being an Englishman would want his country to win more than a German would. Why when you’ve got 23/4 player squad representing their country why not the coach? Has a foreign coach ever worked for us? Has any single English manager before or since Alf Ramsey ever worked for us?
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Post by Pilch on Jul 15, 2024 17:41:45 GMT 1
Going back to the final , I was hoping for more than 4 minutes of added time , and then exactly 4 minutes later he blew the final whistle , hardly a minute of football was played in those 4 minutes , bit fishy to me that was
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 15, 2024 17:58:38 GMT 1
Going back to the final , I was hoping for more than 4 minutes of added time , and then exactly 4 minutes later he blew the final whistle , hardly a minute of football was played in those 4 minutes , bit fishy to me that was Come on Pilch, that conspiracy theory has been swimming around social media all day. You can do better than that owd lad. What next, demand a replay because it's not fair? The last two games England reasonably played well. Against the Dutch we managed to get the win, although we played quite well yesterday we were beaten by the superior team. No shame in that, but whinging and bleating about the amount of stoppage time just shows us to be bad losers. No wonder everyone else in Europe, with the possible exception of Portugal, were supporting Spain.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 15, 2024 18:16:47 GMT 1
Going back to the final , I was hoping for more than 4 minutes of added time , and then exactly 4 minutes later he blew the final whistle , hardly a minute of football was played in those 4 minutes , bit fishy to me that was Come on Pilch, that conspiracy theory has been swimming around social media all day. You can do better than that owd lad. What next, demand a replay because it's not fair? The last two games England reasonably played well. Against the Dutch we managed to get the win, although we played quite well yesterday we were beaten by the superior team. No shame in that, but whinging and bleating about the amount of stoppage time just shows us to be bad losers. No wonder everyone else in Europe, with the possible exception of Portugal, were supporting Spain. I don't expect a reply no and don't do social media , but it did happen , it rarely happens let alone in a major final , We were up against a side that didn't need a bit of extra help that's all
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Post by Pilch on Jul 15, 2024 19:15:56 GMT 1
one other thing about the last few minutes , England did come mighty close to leveling it again
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jul 15, 2024 19:44:46 GMT 1
I hope Southgate stays.......but he won't. As a replacement there is a dearth of English managers. May I be as bold as to suggest Jose Mourinho.......I've got my flack jacket on ready
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Post by Pilch on Jul 15, 2024 20:33:47 GMT 1
I hope Southgate stays.......but he won't. As a replacement there is a dearth of English managers. May I be as bold as to suggest Jose Mourinho.......I've got my flack jacket on ready I honestly can't think of the ideal Manager at the moment but I'm in the English only brigade I also think it should be a rule for international sides to have one of their own in charge
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 15, 2024 20:59:55 GMT 1
My post about Klopp was obviously in jest but has provoked interesting discussion.
If people are serious about an English only manager there’s 4 in the Premier League.
Choose between O’Neil, Dyche, McKenna or Howe.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jul 16, 2024 5:59:51 GMT 1
Potter is available and is an interesting alternative name but I think Southgate will carry on to the 2026 World Cup.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 16, 2024 7:58:35 GMT 1
Knowing our history we'll appoint lampard & Gerrard as join managers 😝
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 16, 2024 8:00:52 GMT 1
Well as a Town and Kickers fan I've learnt not to let the football get in the way of the football but that said, that did sting a tad. Fair play to Spain though, a superb team and by far the best team at the tournament. I think they scored a record number of goals this time around (although the expanded format may have helped with that) and I think they won all of their games including beating the Germans in their own backyard and France. All that takes some doing.
Absolutely no chance of getting a ticket other than at crazy prices, something I wouldn't be prepared to do even if I could afford it. So it was one of the Fan Parks for us which were situated next to the Brandenburg Gate and the Reichstag. Loads of England there, a good few Spanish too but loads of locals out too (the majority supporting Spain, I think there is a lot of love for Yamal). But a great and friendly atmosphere throughout, meeting and chatting to people from all over the place (which of course is one of the best things about these tournaments). Some of the efforts (and cost) we heard from England fans about getting there and back were crazy, we're talking about around the Wrekin and then some (that included a dad and his son we met in our hotel the Monday morning who happened to be travelling to Stuttgart on the same train from where they would be getting a flight back to England...small world).
I've been to Berlin years ago when we attended the Love Parade but as you can imagine, I wasn't exactly compos mentis when it comes to the Love Parade so first time really taking the city in. Its massive compared to Stuttgart that's for sure and even being there for such a short time you do get a different vibe (although maybe the football played some part in that) but I'd certainly want to go back there for sure.
As for England and Southgate, I think he has to move on now. I think its time to give someone else a go. Granted we got to the final again and those late goals were moments to remember but the football for the most part hasn't been great and we never seem to be able to adjust as needed, there doesn't seem to be a plan b or c that can just somehow get us over the finishing line. Maybe someone else might bring that about. Maybe not, mind. But lets give someone else that chance.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jul 16, 2024 10:03:27 GMT 1
Going back to the final , I was hoping for more than 4 minutes of added time , and then exactly 4 minutes later he blew the final whistle , hardly a minute of football was played in those 4 minutes , bit fishy to me that was I thought the interpretation of time added on was "a minimum of xx minutes", so in this case the Referee was quite correct.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 16, 2024 11:13:30 GMT 1
He's gone then.
Who's next do you think?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 16, 2024 11:18:44 GMT 1
Huge chance we will go downhill from here then.
Got his critics but there is every chance the next manager wont be able to build in where we are now.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 16, 2024 11:31:34 GMT 1
Starting Cole Palmer is building on where we on now and that's easily done.
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jul 16, 2024 11:31:44 GMT 1
Please NOT Potter
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 16, 2024 11:41:35 GMT 1
I think Michael Carrick would be worth a look. Just signed a contract extension with Middlesbrough until 2027, but I'm sure he'd be willing to put that to one side for the England job. Not as defensively biased as Southgate and has worked under Ferguson, so at least he knows how to win things.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 16, 2024 11:47:28 GMT 1
Southgate has resigned.
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Post by MetaShrew on Jul 16, 2024 11:56:35 GMT 1
Thank you, Gareth. Restored the standing of the England team within the country and around Europe, if not the world, but time for a change.
I favour Eddie Howe, but can't see him being available.
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Post by vladimir on Jul 16, 2024 12:01:07 GMT 1
Thanks Gareth. Restored sense of pride after the Iceland and Allardyce debacles and took us so close.
Tuchel for me. Though wouldn't mind either Howe or Potter
Absolutely laughable Lampard and Gerrard are being suggested to be on the FA shortlist .
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 16, 2024 12:07:53 GMT 1
Please not Klop. Apart from the bad relationship he built up with our fans his family bombed our chip shops.
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jul 16, 2024 12:20:44 GMT 1
Carricks not a bad shout. Thoughts on carswell? Same route as Southgate. Not forgetting the other England winning manager Mr Paul Simpson. I'll get me coat
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Post by rickyspanish on Jul 16, 2024 12:20:51 GMT 1
Be it, Potter, Klopp, Pochettino or Howe, whoever it is has a totally different level of expectations than Southgate walked into.
We've got nearly a generation of England fans who think reaching semi finals in major tournaments is the norm for us.
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Post by rickyspanish on Jul 16, 2024 12:25:15 GMT 1
Going back to the final , I was hoping for more than 4 minutes of added time , and then exactly 4 minutes later he blew the final whistle , hardly a minute of football was played in those 4 minutes , bit fishy to me that was Come on Pilch, that conspiracy theory has been swimming around social media all day. You can do better than that owd lad. What next, demand a replay because it's not fair? The last two games England reasonably played well. Against the Dutch we managed to get the win, although we played quite well yesterday we were beaten by the superior team. No shame in that, but whinging and bleating about the amount of stoppage time just shows us to be bad losers. No wonder everyone else in Europe, with the possible exception of Portugal, were supporting Spain. As an Englishman living abroad for the best part of 15 years, I'd say the biggest issue foreign fans have with England is the arrogance that we have the best players, and that other countries players are inferior to ours.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 16, 2024 12:33:24 GMT 1
Be it, Potter, Klopp, Pochettino or Howe, whoever it is has a totally different level of expectations than Southgate walked into. We've got nearly a generation of England fans who think reaching semi finals in major tournaments is the norm for us. I can see where you're coming from, but most sane football fans realise that there are only 4 semi-final places in any competition and the chances of us taking one of those four is slim at best. We had by far the easiest route to the final this time, who's to say we don't get Brazil, Argentina, Spain or Germany in the first knockout game in 2 years time?
My level of expectation when I watch the so-called best players in the world is to at the very least be entertained. The Netherlands game was ok, as was the final, but the rest were as dull as dishwater. It almost got to the stage where I was hoping we would lose, so I could see some decent football.
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Post by neilsalop on Jul 16, 2024 12:39:56 GMT 1
Come on Pilch, that conspiracy theory has been swimming around social media all day. You can do better than that owd lad. What next, demand a replay because it's not fair? The last two games England reasonably played well. Against the Dutch we managed to get the win, although we played quite well yesterday we were beaten by the superior team. No shame in that, but whinging and bleating about the amount of stoppage time just shows us to be bad losers. No wonder everyone else in Europe, with the possible exception of Portugal, were supporting Spain. As an Englishman living abroad for the best part of 15 years, I'd say the biggest issue foreign fans have with England is the arrogance that we have the best players, and that other countries players are inferior to ours. If the players of Spain, France, Holland, Portugal, Brazil etc are so inferior how come there are so many playing in the Prem? How many of the current England squad would get into the Spanish or Brazilian squads? Maybe 7 at a push. Yes there are plenty of arrogant and ignorant fans out there, but anyone with more than half a dozen brain cells knows full well that we don't have the best players in the world. We just need a manager to bring out the best in every player that we do have.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jul 16, 2024 12:43:12 GMT 1
Trouble is all our players are talked up by the pundits, journalists etc,to be world class.but after watching us perform right through the tournament....of that they are certainly not!!
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 16, 2024 12:44:37 GMT 1
Graham Potter and his family took a lot of vile abuse from Chelsea fans during his tenure at the club. The England job comes with abuse. It's the law. Wouldn't wish that on him and his family again.
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