Dire home form since Hurst's return

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P8, W1, D2, L5

5 points out of a possible 24.

A measly 4 goals scored, 0.5 home goals, a game.

That's a pathetic return and no wonder we find ourselves in a precarious position.

Would you buy a season ticket based on the above, I no I wouldn't.

As a casual fan would you really want to spend hard earned money paying the wages of some of our so called professional footballers to serve up such tripe?

The club wants supporters to buy season tickets, well, this is not much of an advert is it?

[hectord0g137]

It costs me £150+ for a home game (travel to and from etc). There is unlikely any more of my pension going that direction in the foreseeable future. Its conference football next year for me but I will always be a Town fan COYB

[Pilch]

I know yesterday was hindered by the unforgivable actions of Flanagan , but that was 67 minutes in, even after an hour several players in the middle/attack were in desperate need of being hooked, bloxham was dead on his feet, udoh just wasnt in the game, bayliss /shipley too quiet , Perry on a different wavelength to the rest of the side, we should have seen at least 3 changes on the hour to try something fresh, lets not forget Wycombe had been to Wembley on Sunday and battled with derby Wednesday, we just made it so easy for them yesterday

even more embarrassing was every stand seems to have at least one spokesman who thought it would be ok to shout abuse every single time a pass went astray

had to shake my head at one of block 17s hecklers

amonst other things , Flanagan was an "absolute c***" for his tackle, ok I think we kind of agree there but no need for that language anywhere, let alone in earshot of young kids

at 2-0 down, the same lad was suggesting, "get the **** into them"

I heckled back, isn't that what Flanagan did ? he didn't hear which was probably for the best lol

[ssshrew]

Certainly things don’t seem to have improved since he came back.

Well not by reading the posts on here they haven’t.

[Scarecrow]

These aren’t Hurst’s players. He never even got the decency of a transfer window as Roland and Moore persisted with Matt Taylor when it was clear to everybody else he should have gone after Burton.

Listening to Hurst’s interview you can tell he’s had enough of them.

As much as everyone rants and raves about Dunkley this season he’s been average at best and he’s shown no qualities of a captain. He’s not taken ownership of that back line, he’s given filthy looks at other players when they’ve made errors and hardly tried to support his teammates. He’s even got himself sent off and never have I ever seen him to try and pick everyone’s head up. Yet everyone will clap and applaud when he powers a header back because he’s massive.

Flanagan has spent more times in the stands than on the pitch whether through injury or his ability to get refs to send him off or book him. As loud as he was slagging of Taylor on the radio, that tackle yesterday was of a guy thinking f*** it I’m out and I’ll get a new club in the summer. I’ll take the three games as a way of protecting myself on my way out. Another senior pro allegedly our highest earner just deciding that he can’t be bothered anymore.

Taylor Perry isn’t good enough to play league one football. Winchester can’t do everything by himself.

Shipley this season has been part of the problem. Lots of the corners we’ve conceded from have involved him on the near post and not getting anywhere near it. Burton is the classic example. I get the red card he got against Exeter was debatable but why even put yourself 5 minutes in. He has moments of quality followed by becoming a ghost in that team for the next four games.

Bayliss is the most infuriating player I’ve ever seen in a Shrewsbury shirt. When the pressure is off and he’s on his day he can be the best player on the pitch against any team in this league. When he’s on it he’ll spread the ball everywhere, create chance after chance and just dictate an entire game. I thought when Hurst came in it might crack the formula and he would end up being a player reborn. It turns out when the chips are down and when you need him to drag up one of those performances he completely vanishes on a football pitch. It also doesn’t seem like it bothers him either. Yesterday we needed him more than anyone else to unlock the defence but he just couldn’t be bothered.

Udoh is overrated. Last year he was lean, clearly ready to go and put himself around. This year he looks unfit, he wins nothing in the air and pops up with a goal every now and again. He’s okay, and sure he’s a solid enough option but he’s never going to fill me with confidence leading a line. I often feel that at points this season he’s been the one player everyone has decided is our saviour but he’s just not good enough to do that alone.

Bowman seems to have had a nicely paid year off on the bench too.

Those are the senior players who we have relied on this year to solidify the “project” of Moore stuffing this team with absolute dross from Irish leagues who aren’t good enough to play league football, and loan signings who either are crocks or simply not good enough.

What a team Hurst inherited and I think actually given that we’ve achieved 46 points so far, it’s a miracle we haven’t been in the relegation zone all season. Hurst isn’t the issue, he’s clearly trying to steer the titanic to a port.

[ssshrew]

He is supposed to be a professional football manager and apparently gods gift to football.

Bearing this in mind he should have been able to sort them out by now. Many other managers go into jobs half way through a season and manage to get the players that aren’t ‘his’ on side and it’s obvious he hasn’t for whatever reason. He’s been here since January so something should have clicked with them all by now.

[mullersalopian]

I said the only reason Hurst is appointed is to please most of the fans,

Results in my view would be no different between Taylor and Hurst I brought up guests record since he left no being amazing and I was getting called out that he will be the saviour, in my view I think we are extremely lucky that other teams may struggle in last 3 games otherwise we would be down

[Exkeeper]

Eight of those players yesterday were here last season and were part of the awful run in at the end of the season.
We had a very experienced manager then and even he couldn’t get a tune out of them. That suggest to me that the problems lie with the players rather than management.

[The Shropshire Tenor]

Apr 14, 2024 12:53:48 GMT 1 hectord0g137 said:

It costs me £150+ for a home game (travel to and from etc). There is unlikely any more of my pension going that direction in the foreseeable future. Its conference football next year for me but I will always be a Town fan COYB

I can walk to Altrincham FC from my house and they’ve scored 83 goals this season.

More enjoyable than a 150 mile round trip for a dose of misery.

[gtismygod]

Apr 14, 2024 14:39:43 GMT 1 Scarecrow said:

These aren’t Hurst’s players. He never even got the decency of a transfer window as Roland and Moore persisted with Matt Taylor when it was clear to everybody else he should have gone after Burton.

Listening to Hurst’s interview you can tell he’s had enough of them.

As much as everyone rants and raves about Dunkley this season he’s been average at best and he’s shown no qualities of a captain. He’s not taken ownership of that back line, he’s given filthy looks at other players when they’ve made errors and hardly tried to support his teammates. He’s even got himself sent off and never have I ever seen him to try and pick everyone’s head up. Yet everyone will clap and applaud when he powers a header back because he’s massive.

Flanagan has spent more times in the stands than on the pitch whether through injury or his ability to get refs to send him off or book him. As loud as he was slagging of Taylor on the radio, that tackle yesterday was of a guy thinking f*** it I’m out and I’ll get a new club in the summer. I’ll take the three games as a way of protecting myself on my way out. Another senior pro allegedly our highest earner just deciding that he can’t be bothered anymore.

Taylor Perry isn’t good enough to play league one football. Winchester can’t do everything by himself.

Shipley this season has been part of the problem. Lots of the corners we’ve conceded from have involved him on the near post and not getting anywhere near it. Burton is the classic example. I get the red card he got against Exeter was debatable but why even put yourself 5 minutes in. He has moments of quality followed by becoming a ghost in that team for the next four games.

Bayliss is the most infuriating player I’ve ever seen in a Shrewsbury shirt. When the pressure is off and he’s on his day he can be the best player on the pitch against any team in this league. When he’s on it he’ll spread the ball everywhere, create chance after chance and just dictate an entire game. I thought when Hurst came in it might crack the formula and he would end up being a player reborn. It turns out when the chips are down and when you need him to drag up one of those performances he completely vanishes on a football pitch. It also doesn’t seem like it bothers him either. Yesterday we needed him more than anyone else to unlock the defence but he just couldn’t be bothered.

Udoh is overrated. Last year he was lean, clearly ready to go and put himself around. This year he looks unfit, he wins nothing in the air and pops up with a goal every now and again. He’s okay, and sure he’s a solid enough option but he’s never going to fill me with confidence leading a line. I often feel that at points this season he’s been the one player everyone has decided is our saviour but he’s just not good enough to do that alone.

Bowman seems to have had a nicely paid year off on the bench too.

Those are the senior players who we have relied on this year to solidify the “project” of Moore stuffing this team with absolute dross from Irish leagues who aren’t good enough to play league football, and loan signings who either are crocks or simply not good enough.

What a team Hurst inherited and I think actually given that we’ve achieved 46 points so far, it’s a miracle we haven’t been in the relegation zone all season. Hurst isn’t the issue, he’s clearly trying to steer the titanic to a port.

Bit harsh on Udoh who hasn’t really had any sort of service all season, but an excellent post otherwise, which pretty much sums up my feelings.

You get the feeling that Hurst really isn’t a fan of this group bar one or two. Results with a crap squad full of somebody else’s signings was always going to be difficult.

Let’s limp over the line and give him a full summer to build, and a full pre-season to get them ready.

[East Sussex Shrew]

As Bob Hoskins once said

"What we need are heroes, do you know of any heroes around here?"

At Bolton we will need

The luck of the Irish
The passion of the vicars mistress
The skill of a clock maker
and most of all pride to wear the shirt of STFC.

[Scarecrow]

Apr 14, 2024 15:10:12 GMT 1 gtismygod said:

Apr 14, 2024 14:39:43 GMT 1 Scarecrow said:

These aren’t Hurst’s players. He never even got the decency of a transfer window as Roland and Moore persisted with Matt Taylor when it was clear to everybody else he should have gone after Burton.

Listening to Hurst’s interview you can tell he’s had enough of them.

As much as everyone rants and raves about Dunkley this season he’s been average at best and he’s shown no qualities of a captain. He’s not taken ownership of that back line, he’s given filthy looks at other players when they’ve made errors and hardly tried to support his teammates. He’s even got himself sent off and never have I ever seen him to try and pick everyone’s head up. Yet everyone will clap and applaud when he powers a header back because he’s massive.

Flanagan has spent more times in the stands than on the pitch whether through injury or his ability to get refs to send him off or book him. As loud as he was slagging of Taylor on the radio, that tackle yesterday was of a guy thinking f*** it I’m out and I’ll get a new club in the summer. I’ll take the three games as a way of protecting myself on my way out. Another senior pro allegedly our highest earner just deciding that he can’t be bothered anymore.

Taylor Perry isn’t good enough to play league one football. Winchester can’t do everything by himself.

Shipley this season has been part of the problem. Lots of the corners we’ve conceded from have involved him on the near post and not getting anywhere near it. Burton is the classic example. I get the red card he got against Exeter was debatable but why even put yourself 5 minutes in. He has moments of quality followed by becoming a ghost in that team for the next four games.

Bayliss is the most infuriating player I’ve ever seen in a Shrewsbury shirt. When the pressure is off and he’s on his day he can be the best player on the pitch against any team in this league. When he’s on it he’ll spread the ball everywhere, create chance after chance and just dictate an entire game. I thought when Hurst came in it might crack the formula and he would end up being a player reborn. It turns out when the chips are down and when you need him to drag up one of those performances he completely vanishes on a football pitch. It also doesn’t seem like it bothers him either. Yesterday we needed him more than anyone else to unlock the defence but he just couldn’t be bothered.

Udoh is overrated. Last year he was lean, clearly ready to go and put himself around. This year he looks unfit, he wins nothing in the air and pops up with a goal every now and again. He’s okay, and sure he’s a solid enough option but he’s never going to fill me with confidence leading a line. I often feel that at points this season he’s been the one player everyone has decided is our saviour but he’s just not good enough to do that alone.

Bowman seems to have had a nicely paid year off on the bench too.

Those are the senior players who we have relied on this year to solidify the “project” of Moore stuffing this team with absolute dross from Irish leagues who aren’t good enough to play league football, and loan signings who either are crocks or simply not good enough.

What a team Hurst inherited and I think actually given that we’ve achieved 46 points so far, it’s a miracle we haven’t been in the relegation zone all season. Hurst isn’t the issue, he’s clearly trying to steer the titanic to a port.

Bit harsh on Udoh who hasn’t really had any sort of service all season, but an excellent post otherwise, which pretty much sums up my feelings.

You get the feeling that Hurst really isn’t a fan of this group bar one or two. Results with a crap squad full of somebody else’s signings was always going to be difficult.

Let’s limp over the line and give him a full summer to build, and a full pre-season to get them ready.

Maybe I am being a tad harsh to Udoh but what I’m getting at is that he’s not as good as people think. I wouldn’t class him as a “good league one player”. I very much doubt he’d start in a top half team in this league. He’s not awful, I just don’t think he’s amazing. I can see him coming off the bench but if we want to be a good league one team he’s not the striker I’d pin my hopes on.

[edgmond]

A lot of emphasis is being placed on Hurst repeating the recruitment of summer 2017 or at least getting somewhere near it. I try to enter each pre-season with optimism, regardless of what happened in the preceding season. This year I cannot escape a sinking feeling that we will get nowhere near that golden squad and Hurst’s current demeanour gives me no confidence whatsoever.

It’s going to take a lot more than military style fitness training in June/July. It’s going to take shrewd recruitment (without all the whingeing about other clubs outbidding us), inspiration, man-management, positivity, humour, the ability to understand how to get the best out of each player (not a simplistic one size fits all approach) and some luck. 

I so wish that I could back Hurst to fulfil those requirements but he seems a different person to seven years ago. I really hope I’m wrong.

[gobowenshrew]

Easy to say these aren't his players but he was brought in to keep us up and even my his own admission, if this does happen it's down to the teams around us being worse.

Hurst calls it how he sees it, which curries favour with the fans but I thought his comments ahead of the Bolton game on Tuesday were remarkable. Basically preparing us for a hiding

The players don't look like they're playing for a new contract but worryingly I'm not sure the head coach is either.

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Apr 14, 2024 15:48:38 GMT 1 gobowenshrew said:

Easy to say these aren't his players but he was brought in to keep us up and even my his own admission, if this does happen it's down to the teams around us being worse.

Hurst calls it how he sees it, which curries favour with the fans but I thought his comments ahead of the Bolton game on Tuesday were remarkable. Basically preparing us for a hiding

The players don't look like they're playing for a new contract but worryingly I'm not sure the head coach is either.

The post match interview with Hurst really bothered me, he was so dejected, so dispirited that I have to wonder if he will still be with us come the Summer.

Th scale of the task that he has inherited may be just too much. 
 

[chirkshrew]

No good glossing over it.like ten hag does.....the players aren't good enough,simple as.....Hurst only tells what the supporters already knew.....no bottle,no desire,not bothered.....and Taylor had the same problem I'm afraid

[chirkshrew]

These players ****ed Taylor off......and they're doing exactly the same to Hurst......major overhaul needed in summer😡😡

[Pilch]

Apr 14, 2024 14:39:43 GMT 1 Scarecrow said:

These aren’t Hurst’s players. He never even got the decency of a transfer window as Roland and Moore persisted with Matt Taylor when it was clear to everybody else he should have gone after Burton.

Listening to Hurst’s interview you can tell he’s had enough of them.

As much as everyone rants and raves about Dunkley this season he’s been average at best and he’s shown no qualities of a captain. He’s not taken ownership of that back line, he’s given filthy looks at other players when they’ve made errors and hardly tried to support his teammates. He’s even got himself sent off and never have I ever seen him to try and pick everyone’s head up. Yet everyone will clap and applaud when he powers a header back because he’s massive.

Flanagan has spent more times in the stands than on the pitch whether through injury or his ability to get refs to send him off or book him. As loud as he was slagging of Taylor on the radio, that tackle yesterday was of a guy thinking f*** it I’m out and I’ll get a new club in the summer. I’ll take the three games as a way of protecting myself on my way out. Another senior pro allegedly our highest earner just deciding that he can’t be bothered anymore.

Taylor Perry isn’t good enough to play league one football. Winchester can’t do everything by himself.

Shipley this season has been part of the problem. Lots of the corners we’ve conceded from have involved him on the near post and not getting anywhere near it. Burton is the classic example. I get the red card he got against Exeter was debatable but why even put yourself 5 minutes in. He has moments of quality followed by becoming a ghost in that team for the next four games.

Bayliss is the most infuriating player I’ve ever seen in a Shrewsbury shirt. When the pressure is off and he’s on his day he can be the best player on the pitch against any team in this league. When he’s on it he’ll spread the ball everywhere, create chance after chance and just dictate an entire game. I thought when Hurst came in it might crack the formula and he would end up being a player reborn. It turns out when the chips are down and when you need him to drag up one of those performances he completely vanishes on a football pitch. It also doesn’t seem like it bothers him either. Yesterday we needed him more than anyone else to unlock the defence but he just couldn’t be bothered.

Udoh is overrated. Last year he was lean, clearly ready to go and put himself around. This year he looks unfit, he wins nothing in the air and pops up with a goal every now and again. He’s okay, and sure he’s a solid enough option but he’s never going to fill me with confidence leading a line. I often feel that at points this season he’s been the one player everyone has decided is our saviour but he’s just not good enough to do that alone.

Bowman seems to have had a nicely paid year off on the bench too.

Those are the senior players who we have relied on this year to solidify the “project” of Moore stuffing this team with absolute dross from Irish leagues who aren’t good enough to play league football, and loan signings who either are crocks or simply not good enough.

What a team Hurst inherited and I think actually given that we’ve achieved 46 points so far, it’s a miracle we haven’t been in the relegation zone all season. Hurst isn’t the issue, he’s clearly trying to steer the titanic to a port.

hurst has a worst record this season than Matty Taylor, im just glad I wasnt one of those demanding Taylor was sacked and hurst reinstated.  if I was I'd probably be blaming the players now and making excuses for the manager too ;-)

[hectord0g137]

I wasn't in favour of a lazarus project either

[chirkshrew]

Alex Ferguson couldn't do anything with this lot...never mind Hurst and Taylor.......most of the ****ers wouldn't get in chirks team......and you think I'm joking!!!!

[Exkeeper]

Apr 14, 2024 16:23:47 GMT 1 chirkshrew said:

Alex Ferguson couldn't do anything with this lot...never mind Hurst and Taylor.......most of the ****ers wouldn't get in chirks team......and you think I'm joking!!!!

Stu Dunne’s interviews with that Ferguson chap would have been interesting after a performance like that!

[chirkshrew]

So let's have a few names of managers who the posters on here wanted, instead of Hurst.............erm🤔erm,erm🤔

[hectord0g137]

I bravely/stupidly (delete as appropriate)suggested Phil Brown.....he got Kidderminster relegated.

[chirkshrew]

That's one gone..... anymore?

[ProudSalopian]

Apr 14, 2024 16:06:01 GMT 1 Pilch said:

Apr 14, 2024 14:39:43 GMT 1 Scarecrow said:

hurst has a worst record this season than Matty Taylor, im just glad I wasnt one of those demanding Taylor was sacked and hurst reinstated.  if I was I'd probably be blaming the players now and making excuses for the manager too ;-)

Yes plenty of fans wanted Taylor gone but I don't recall many demanding Hurst come back. In fact it was the opposite, some were very vocal in not wanting him back because of what happened and others were questioning whether it was the right call to bring someone in who had been sacked from a club in a division below us.

The decision to bring him in was down to Roland (or Moore if you believe the official line). Either way, it's on them.

[ProudSalopian]

It's not just the results, it's the football on display, it's just as bad as anything we saw under Taylor and there haven't been too many home games where I've come away where I've enjoyed it. I don't expect success or scintillating football but it would be nice to come away and say 'that was a good game'.

[ssshrew]

I most definitely did not want him back. It was a case of anyone but for me.

I wasn’t that keen on him the first time around. Can’t tell you why just my instinct.

However, it appears we are stuck with him, like him or not, so let’s hope he can do something next season.

[chirkshrew]

So who did you want then?🤔🤔erm

[harboroughshrew]

Trying to look at things with a cooler head than I had after the game yesterday but I am still baffled by our poor home form under Hurst. I was one of many sat at the Northampton game when pretty well the same players as yesterday played a midtable team off their own park and I thought we will stay up with no problem. It has not happened and I suppose the new manager bounce lasted for that one game and then the problems within the squad and the club meant business as usual (i.e. losing game after game interspersed with the occasional battling away victory).
I think some of the comments in this thread about individual players are a bit harsh - especially Shipley who, with his goals and assists, has actually been one of our most effective performers over the season. Clearly though , with our meagre goal tally, we generally pose little threat to the opposition so they feel comfortable pushing up on us when we play at home. Poor Taylor had to cope with a 'strike force' of Mata and Bowman for a fair chunk of his time with us and he also had to integrate some raw new signings who were clearly not League 1 ready. We therefore have little control in midfield and a limited supply to the forwards with Udoh being the pick of the bunch but really only an average League 1 striker at best. Hurst has managed to scrape draws from a few games that we probably would have lost under Taylor and get a couple of inspired away performances but teams in midtable and above come to the Meadow knowing about our problems and also knowing we have little quality from the bench to call upon so they come expecting to win.
I am not one for changing managers too much so Hurst should get the chance to do the rebuild in the summer but the fans will not forget the way they have been let down by the club as a whole this season and many will be voting with their feet unless we see better on the pitch at the start of the new season.

[chirkshrew]

Tbh.....we can't get any worse can we.....the only way is up,once we get rid of this shower