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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 28, 2024 8:36:13 GMT 1
Another managerial masterstroke by Mickey, two appointments, two great successes.
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 28, 2024 8:36:29 GMT 1
Ok,forget about Hurst for a minute......would we have stopped up with Taylor still in charge?  results suggest we would have done yes , for the first half of the season we were crippled with injuries , and yet vocal fans cried and abused Taylor even after wins , when he left he was on target for over 49 points , along comes hurst and manages exactly 18 points from him 18 games , that's 46 for a season , his 16 games at Grimsby this season managed 14 points , So what are those vocal fans suggesting now , put hurst in charge they say , give him full control 🤩🤩 Vocal fans and it would seem the chairman agreed 👍 Personally happy to have Hurst for next season but don’t think he’s the messiah everyone hoped for. We’ll never know if Taylor would have kept us up but no appreciable bounce on Hurst arrival makes me think we’d have slithered in. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 28, 2024 10:19:35 GMT 1
Away from home we wouldn't have won or drawn another game,we were abysmal.at home we might of beaten Carlisle,and drawn a couple of others.....we were in freefall,and sinking faster than a russian submarine.the players got rid of Taylor....with no desire,bottle,or motivation.....a similar situation at man utd.....the players there will get ten hag the sack also
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2024 11:13:20 GMT 1
Away from home we wouldn't have won or drawn another game,we were abysmal.at home we might of beaten Carlisle,and drawn a couple of others.....we were in freefall,and sinking faster than a russian submarine.the players got rid of Taylor....with no desire,bottle,or motivation.....a similar situation at man utd.....the players there will get ten hag the sack also Well if your prediction that Taylor could only beat Carlisle at home and a couple of draws then that's exactly what hurst managed Taylor actually won 7 of his 14 home league games |
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 28, 2024 12:54:05 GMT 1
4 of those were against the bottom 4 clubs.....which I'd expect him to win,good win against derby.....when Hurst took over,and had them run of fixtures at home....he would of won at least 3 of them,plus the Carlisle game.taylor had to go,there was no other option..... we'd have finished rock bottom,the way we were going
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 28, 2024 13:02:22 GMT 1
Taylor had the advantage of playing most of the bottom half sides at home, whereas Hurst had mainly top half visitors.
Hurst then had to play most of the better sides at home (with players that he had inherited and were gasping for breath after 60 minutes).
I would put money on us recruiting better quality players this time and they will be as fit as possible by the start of the season.
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 28, 2024 13:30:22 GMT 1
Exactly.....bet Hurst thought "what the hell am I doing here" when he saw the fitness levels of some of them players....or all of them!!!.....let's judge him when he's got his own players in.....10/12 games is the norm,you usually start to see some improvement by then
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2024 13:37:38 GMT 1
Taylor had the advantage of playing most of the bottom half sides at home, whereas Hurst had mainly top half visitors. . what an amazing bit of spin, of course I checked it and yes, your stats were spot on Hurts average home opponent final position was 11.9th where he managed an average for 0.55 points per game, whereas Taylor only had to deal with 12.4 th place for his average of 1.57 points per game so yeah, a great stat you have there, you dont even have to mention the highest side hurst faced at home was Oxford tells the full story that love it  lets look on the bright side, hurst did at least manage 3 away wins, so 4 wins in total Carlisle Northampton Port Vale Reading |
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Post by vladimir on Apr 28, 2024 13:45:36 GMT 1
How is it spin when the stats back up the narrative given.
Dont think anyone in any doubt home form has been poor, but then no one is in any doubt we now have a far superior manager than the former head coach.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2024 13:48:15 GMT 1
How is it spin when the stats back up the narrative given. Dont think anyone in any doubt home form has been poor, but then no one is in any doubt we now have a far superior manager than the former head coach. how is it spin ? there's never been a better example for spin than that one SPIN the presentation of information in a particular way; a slant, especially a favourable one. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 13:51:46 GMT 1
How is it spin when the stats back up the narrative given. Dont think anyone in any doubt home form has been poor, but then no one is in any doubt we now have a far superior manager than the former head coach. I couldn't care two hoots about the spin. The 9 home games under Hurst have produced a very poor return indeed. He's got to do much better at home next season for sure if he wants the paying public to turn up in numbers. |
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 28, 2024 14:12:17 GMT 1
Taylor had the advantage of playing most of the bottom half sides at home, whereas Hurst had mainly top half visitors. . what an amazing bit of spin, of course I checked it and yes, your stats were spot on Hurts average home opponent final position was 11.9th where he managed an average for 0.55 points per game, whereas Taylor only had to deal with 12.4 th place for his average of 1.57 points per game so yeah, a great stat you have there, you dont even have to mention the highest side hurst faced at home was Oxford tells the full story that love it lets look on the bright side, hurst did at least manage 3 away wins, so 4 wins in total Carlisle Northampton Port Vale Reading Hurst achieved his wins and creditable away draws at Derby, Bolton and Charlton with someone else’s players. |
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2024 14:18:03 GMT 1
what an amazing bit of spin, of course I checked it and yes, your stats were spot on Hurts average home opponent final position was 11.9th where he managed an average for 0.55 points per game, whereas Taylor only had to deal with 12.4 th place for his average of 1.57 points per game so yeah, a great stat you have there, you dont even have to mention the highest side hurst faced at home was Oxford tells the full story that love it lets look on the bright side, hurst did at least manage 3 away wins, so 4 wins in total Carlisle Northampton Port Vale Reading Hurst achieved his wins and creditable away draws at Derby, Bolton and Charlton with someone else’s players. So that's why he didn't get as much out of them as Taylor did ? What was his excuse at Grimsby ? |
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Post by vladimir on Apr 28, 2024 14:35:09 GMT 1
what an amazing bit of spin, of course I checked it and yes, your stats were spot on Hurts average home opponent final position was 11.9th where he managed an average for 0.55 points per game, whereas Taylor only had to deal with 12.4 th place for his average of 1.57 points per game so yeah, a great stat you have there, you dont even have to mention the highest side hurst faced at home was Oxford tells the full story that love it lets look on the bright side, hurst did at least manage 3 away wins, so 4 wins in total Carlisle Northampton Port Vale Reading Hurst achieved his wins and creditable away draws at Derby, Bolton and Charlton with someone else’s players. A strong and valid point, I dread to think the hidings we would've got allowing 90% possession under the league 1 lampard. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 28, 2024 15:02:23 GMT 1
I seriously think with those stats....we need to get Taylor back as soon as possible,and give him 2 goes at it......bye bye hursty🙋🙋🙋
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 15:19:58 GMT 1
Talking about Taylor & Bignot, I assume they are still out of work?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2024 15:20:05 GMT 1
Hurst achieved his wins and creditable away draws at Derby, Bolton and Charlton with someone else’s players. A strong and valid point, I dread to think the hidings we would've got allowing 90% possession under the league 1 lampard. all some have done today is invent fictional defeats and relegation for taylor , and praise the miracle hurst performed with the help of Jesus Amazing |
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 28, 2024 16:06:10 GMT 1
Hurst out,it wasn't doig who helped him.....it was jesus.....I believe in miracles!!! anyone got the "hot chocolate" record???
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2024 16:14:11 GMT 1
Hurst out,it wasn't doig who helped him.....it was jesus.....I believe in miracles!!! anyone got the "hot chocolate" record??? No doubt about it It wasn't an illusion |
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 28, 2024 16:31:17 GMT 1
Was jesus standing on the touchline.....or was it jack price???🤣😂🤣🤷
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Post by servernaside on Apr 28, 2024 16:41:54 GMT 1
People seem to forget that a point has the same value whether won at home or away.
As for some posters believing that we would have stayed up if MT had remained in charge, you would surely be better off writing your Xmas wish list to Santa instead of wasting your time on here.
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 28, 2024 17:36:45 GMT 1
Some did!!!🤣😂🤣
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Post by regfromwem on Apr 28, 2024 18:25:24 GMT 1
Has the anti-Hurst lobby forgotten just how dire the performances were prior to his arrival, and the deep sense of apathy which had descended over the Meadow?
Yes,the home results have been dire,but the general level of performance (with the notable exception of the last two games) has seen a marked improvement, and the atmosphere has improved significantly, as have attendances.
As for away games and results, the improvement has been unbelievable.
It's going to be a momentous task to make the Town competitive next season, but if anyone can then I'm happy to give Paul Hurst my backing.
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 28, 2024 18:46:37 GMT 1
Me too...with Jesus's help👍👍😃😃
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Post by belfastshrew on Apr 28, 2024 18:57:02 GMT 1
The football is easier on the eye generally. I dont dread going anymore.
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Post by southshropblue on Apr 28, 2024 19:17:42 GMT 1
The key point here is that Hurst kept us up largely with Taylor and Moores players and most fans would agree the recruitment was awful last summer
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2024 19:29:01 GMT 1
Has the anti-Hurst lobby forgotten just how dire the performances were prior to his arrival, and the deep sense of apathy which had descended over the Meadow? Yes,the home results have been dire,but the general level of performance (with the notable exception of the last two games) has seen a marked improvement, and the atmosphere has improved significantly, as have attendances. As for away games and results, the improvement has been unbelievable. It's going to be a momentous task to make the Town competitive next season, but if anyone can then I'm happy to give Paul Hurst my backing. anti hurst lobby ? where have you seen that ? hope im not included in that for simply removing a few blinkers and pointing out a few stats instead of confirmation bias at least fans will be happy with relegation next season if we start playing pretty football with 15 minutes to go at 3-0 down ;-) |
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 28, 2024 23:11:04 GMT 1
what an amazing bit of spin, of course I checked it and yes, your stats were spot on Hurts average home opponent final position was 11.9th where he managed an average for 0.55 points per game, whereas Taylor only had to deal with 12.4 th place for his average of 1.57 points per game so yeah, a great stat you have there, you dont even have to mention the highest side hurst faced at home was Oxford tells the full story that love it lets look on the bright side, hurst did at least manage 3 away wins, so 4 wins in total Carlisle Northampton Port Vale Reading Hurst achieved his wins and creditable away draws at Derby, Bolton and Charlton with someone else’s players. Hurst had home games against 8 of the teams who finished in the top 13. |
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Post by Pilch on Apr 29, 2024 0:19:59 GMT 1
Hurst achieved his wins and creditable away draws at Derby, Bolton and Charlton with someone else’s players. Hurst had home games against 8 of the teams who finished in the top 13. dear me |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2024 1:24:00 GMT 1
Not sure what it is but to think the same side went ahead twice against 3rd in the league Bolton to turn in the home performances against Wycombe and then Leyton Orient.
Its a huge disconnect. Hurst has a part Cotterill squad part Taylor. High (generally better) Players and then Cut price, rough diamond (Not so good).
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