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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Apr 14, 2024 19:57:26 GMT 1
It's not just the results, it's the football on display, it's just as bad as anything we saw under Taylor and there haven't been too many home games where I've come away where I've enjoyed it. I don't expect success or scintillating football but it would be nice to come away and say 'that was a good game'. Its this for me. Yesterday was so dull. The first few matches after Hursts return gave me hope that it would be a bit more entertaining and would play better football but it didn't last long. Same as Taylor really. The amount of goals scored is absolutely pitiful. I'm amazed the crowds are as good as they are. Football is meant to be entertaining but someone might to remind the club of that |
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 14, 2024 20:04:38 GMT 1
So who did you want then?  🤔🤔erm I really don’t know enough to say. I rely on those who do to pick the best they can and if he was the best (did they interview anyone else?) then football is not in a good place. As I say I just knew who I most certainly didn’t want. However, he’s here now and I can’t see the chairman changing anything so I have to accept that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2024 20:47:48 GMT 1
I've been to all but 2 of the home games since Hurst arrived (I know I must be crazy) I've only missed Blackpool (bad performance) and Oxford (much better).
There seems to have been a bit of a new manager bounce, especially away. but the players in the squad are not adaptable and cannot play the system that Hurst wants to play. A flat four at the back, plus a hard working and dynamic midfield three, with wingers out wide and a robust centre forward.
There is no one in this squad that can take a free kick or corner. Everything seemed to go through Leahy last season (and he shown that yesterday) and Whalley the season before to an extent.
There is also a lack of confidence and leadership amongst the side that is being put out. It may be a case now of Turkeys waiting for Christmas with a lot.
This may also be due to where I sit in the stadium but a number of Subs seem to be coaching the starting XI from the sidelines, Bennett does this a lot but also yesterday O'Brian was coaching Bayliss on the two corners he took.
It seems the younger ones can't do it because of their mindset and the older ones can't because their legs have gone.
A strange squad to have, but I get the feeling that Moore and Taylor were trying to build on the footballing philosophy of Cotterill on the cheap and now that Hurst is here he's left with two different camps of players trying to play football that no one can play.
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 14, 2024 20:59:36 GMT 1
Football is about hard work I'm afraid.... But none of this squad/team are prepared to do any .....it's as simple as that.. bayliss a prime example,and Shipley to an extent.....compare them with Rodman and Nolan for instance......there is no comparison 🤷🤷
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 14, 2024 20:59:39 GMT 1
Can't expect miracles whoever is the head coach. Hurst did have some bad spells the first time around.
Just somehow survive this season, go again next season when it will be fair to judge him on what happens on the pitch. He's not had a great deal of success over the last few seasons but here is where he belongs, where people, from the chairman down, generally have faith in his ability to provide some thrills, (and spills) without busting the budget.
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 14, 2024 21:34:06 GMT 1
Exactly.... Spot on👍👍
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Post by claphamshrew on Apr 14, 2024 23:33:33 GMT 1
Think some people are glossing over the trajectory we were on immediately prior to Taylor’s sacking. 7 losses out of 8 if memory serves me correctly.
I accept Hurst hasn’t pulled up any trees but we’ve generally always had a buffer to the relegation zone since he was appointed. The players do look like they’re lost interest which is odd as the majority can forget playing for a better team based on their performances this season, so you’d think they put a bit more effort in. Hurst gave them a talking to about this after the Bristol game but it appears to have fallen on deaf ears.
On Udoh I agree he has been underwhelming this season and found it odd when people thought he’d leave in January. Not sure many League One teams will be desperate to sign a player who basically has had one semi decent season before tearing his ACL and doing very little since. Granted the injury has no doubt hindered his form so I’d stick with him next year if we can.
As for Flanagan, well perhaps he didn’t fancy Charlton away next weekend. He was absolutely shocking last season. Genuinely looked like he was drunk the amount of times he was off balance and the Charlton players waltzed past him. Never really lived up to his billing and you can see why Sunderland got rid.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 15, 2024 0:02:26 GMT 1
On Udoh I agree he has been underwhelming this season and found it odd when people thought he’d leave in January. Not sure many League One teams will be desperate to sign a player who basically has had one semi decent season before tearing his ACL and doing very little since. Granted the injury has no doubt hindered his form so I’d stick with him next year if we can. [br Surely Udoh would look a far better player alongside another decent forward or with a midfield that can supply him with some worthwhile chances. I'm guessing PH will be aware of this and be looking to try and sort things over the summer. |
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Post by rickyspanish on Apr 15, 2024 8:38:10 GMT 1
I thought his comments ahead of the Bolton game on Tuesday were remarkable. Basically preparing us for a hiding He used the phrase "lambs to the slaughter" before we played Portsmouth. I thought that was very odd. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 15, 2024 9:02:28 GMT 1
Not odd for me.....just telling us as it is..... he's not kidding the fans,they aren't stupid.....ten hag papers over the cracks at utd...." We played well,we created chances,we were up for it" but in reality,the utd fans know....they're s**t🤷🤷
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 15, 2024 9:36:05 GMT 1
But his job is to build confidence in the team particularly amongst the youngsters not to do a Roland and appease the fans.
In public at least he should watch what he says and how he says it.
If we were comfortably mid table he would have more leeway but positioned as we are he needs to get the players on side physically and mentally but it’s too late now. We must just hope for the best.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 15, 2024 9:44:47 GMT 1
Hurst is being very clever. We all know they aren't his players so so he's got a lot leeway there but as manager he could still be accused of failing to get the best out of the players. But by coming out and doing what he's doing, he's suggesting there is a lack of effort & commitment and failing to follow his orders, completely absolving himself of any blame. And by agreeing with the fans then 95% of them will say 'it's great to see he's calling it as it is' so he's getting credit for his words, rather than getting criticised for the performance.
If he's here next season and we are struggling then he won't do anything like he's doing because they are his players and he's clever enough to know the fans won't support his approach then.
Let's just hope for a major reset this summer
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 15, 2024 9:54:38 GMT 1
Hurst was not some I wanted back but he is here and will be next year, it his job to get the best of the players , we know this team can do better than they did against Wycombe, it looked like many players stoped playing for Taylor and they have done the same for Hurst so I don't expect any points from the remaining games, so for me if we stay up is reliant on the others teams not getting enough points too overtake us.
Personally whilst Hurst has said what the fans think I feel it was a mistake to be that blunt as I feel he has lost the dressing room.
If by some miracle we stay up I don't see the club having any new money so we will be trying to build a new squad on the cheap
What is going wrong with the youth team, we seem to have had a few seasons were we have a very good youth team but hardly any of them make the transiston to first team players
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 15, 2024 10:01:29 GMT 1
P8, W1, D2, L5 5 points out of a possible 24. A measly 4 goals scored, 0.5 home goals, a game. That's a pathetic return and no wonder we find ourselves in a precarious position. Would you buy a season ticket based on the above, I no I wouldn't. As a casual fan would you really want to spend hard earned money paying the wages of some of our so called professional footballers to serve up such tripe? The club wants supporters to buy season tickets, well, this is not much of an advert is it? Under Taylor I was the most apathetic iv felt whilst watching town, I was considering not renewing my season ticket, then Hurst was appointed and I thought he would sort things out. Whilst the chairman has done a good job for the club, I think it is time for a change . Somthing needs to change otherwise we will get religated, even if it does not happen this season , the new model has not worked. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 15, 2024 10:04:09 GMT 1
After he Wycombe game was the first time since posting on the forum were everyone felt the same way about the performance and the team, I feel sorry for the loyal fans who pay so much money to follow town away from home, if they play like that again
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 15, 2024 10:04:31 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 15, 2024 10:21:14 GMT 1
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 15, 2024 10:29:50 GMT 1
Hurst can't get a tune out of em.......but I'll bet,fergie,or pep couldn't either!!!🤦🤦🤦🫣🫣
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 15, 2024 10:38:57 GMT 1
I certainly wasn’t going to renew my season ticket and still wouldn’t but my daughter has taken it on instead. Not sure when or if I will bother.
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Post by servernaside on Apr 15, 2024 11:07:44 GMT 1
Easy to say these aren't his players but he was brought in to keep us up and even my his own admission, if this does happen it's down to the teams around us being worse. Hurst calls it how he sees it, which curries favour with the fans but I thought his comments ahead of the Bolton game on Tuesday were remarkable. Basically preparing us for a hiding The players don't look like they're playing for a new contract but worryingly I'm not sure the head coach is either. The post match interview with Hurst really bothered me, he was so dejected, so dispirited that I have to wonder if he will still be with us come the Summer. Th scale of the task that he has inherited may be just too much. No more dispirited than the rest of us. I couldn't wait to get out of the stadium at 0-1 down, but sadly didn't quite make to the exit before we inevitably went 0-2 down. |
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Post by trueblue89 on Apr 15, 2024 11:14:09 GMT 1
I said it when Taylor was in dismissed and i will repeat my words! Give Hurst the change to put his squad together and what you will get in a bunch of honest, hard-working professionals willing to run through a brick wall time and time again for him and the club. What we have currently is a few over paid pre-madonna's who i reckon have already made plans for next season. Also a few who really arent up for the standard required. I think there will be a few shock exits. If we expect to repeat the unexpected we may aswell all get to Redwood now. PH will get a team battling for us and grounding out results. Thats the manager he is.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 15, 2024 11:21:37 GMT 1
I certainly wasn’t going to renew my season ticket and still wouldn’t but my daughter has taken it on instead. Not sure when or if I will bother. I understand how you feel but I hope you continue to post on this forum as I value what you have to say. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 15, 2024 11:25:36 GMT 1
If your team give %100 and lose then fair enough, but there have been to many games this season ,we're the players have shown very little fighting spirit.
They are a disgrace and not fit to wear towns shirt.
Any team manager who saw them walking and jogging against Wycombe would not want sign them.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 15, 2024 11:42:52 GMT 1
I certainly wasn’t going to renew my season ticket and still wouldn’t but my daughter has taken it on instead. Not sure when or if I will bother. I understand how you feel but I hope you continue to post on this forum as I value what you have to say. oh thank you so much. I will continue. My intention is to do the Yorkshire away games and possibly some home ones rather than all of them. It’s not just the matches at the moment it’s also the journey there and back from Yorkshire. |
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Post by shrewswolf on Apr 15, 2024 14:05:08 GMT 1
First of all, the home form is shocking.
Secondly, even those who wanted Hurst back (I am one) didn’t think he was the messiah. It’s another nonsense that’s coming out every time we lose, that those of us in favour of him coming back expected he could perform miracles.
Thirdly, if I had the choice between a manager calmly and fairly politely explaining he has seen the same match as me (whether it’s his own squad or not) without calling players out individually, or the 99% of managers who flip s**te performances into a positive or label absolutely shocking home wins (Burton at home) as ‘setting the standard’ I’d choose this every time.
Or are we back to wanting robots again now?
Either way, Hurst will end this reign here being sacked. If it’s not next season, it’ll be the one after. We will not be repeating the heroics again under him but thank god he did come back earlier this year, it at least gave the club ‘something’ for a short while.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 15, 2024 14:40:00 GMT 1
He won’t necessarily be sacked. He may leave by his own decision.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2024 14:46:42 GMT 1
He won’t necessarily be sacked. He may leave by his own decision. I may be a lone voice but I'm not sure he will still be with us come this summer. |
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 15, 2024 14:48:45 GMT 1
No you are not alone. It’s why I can’t get too excited or het up. I’ll not be happy if we go down as it’s looking good for more Yorkshire teams in league one next year!
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Post by Salop_Ian on Apr 15, 2024 15:07:16 GMT 1
Why hang around to try and produce something with one of the smallest player budgets in the league, when the club could soon have new owners who will probably sack you anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2024 15:25:55 GMT 1
No you are not alone. It’s why I can’t get too excited or het up. I’ll not be happy if we go down as it’s looking good for more Yorkshire teams in league one next year! There's always a nice trip to Harrogate. |
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