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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 3, 2024 9:23:28 GMT 1
I was hoping for a response from the players after Hurst comments in the Star. We did not get one. I did not expect anything from this game but sadly far too many below par performance's
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Mar 3, 2024 9:30:57 GMT 1
Should also add it was one of the flattest, quietest atmospheres of the season (excluding the Blackpool fans) right from the very first whistle. It just felt like we all turned up expecting to get beat and the team obliged, the new manager bounce is well and truly over.
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Post by regfromwem on Mar 3, 2024 9:41:08 GMT 1
Good god that was dire. Throughout the game I was at a complete loss to what the system was, looked like a normal back four, but then also with Sobowale as a wingback, Bloxham and Shipley playing unspecified positions and the players seemed almost as clueless as I did. Enthusiasm has completely dissipated after that, but let’s hope the free week resets us because we can’t afford to be so lacklustre next week. Hugely concerning and regressive performance that as others have said wouldn’t have looked out of place under Taylor.
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Post by regfromwem on Mar 3, 2024 9:55:16 GMT 1
So pleased that I was not the only one baffled by the system employed yesterday.
It hadn't even occurred to me, until listening to the post-match analysis, that we'd reverted to a back 3, as I spent most of the first half trying to work out where Sobowale was playing.
Feeney, Dunkley, Sraha and Benning shaped like a back 4 to me, with Sobowale sitting deep and giving Feeney added protection.
Whatever was intended, it clearly didn't work, and Blackpool found it so easy to play out from the back, with the Town's front three offering, at best, a half-hearted press.
The next three games are massive, and it's surely time to revert to the formation and personnel (with the obvious exception of Pierre) used at Northampton.
This would mean Perry instead of Hinchy, despite his limitations, as Hinchy is clearly not up to the physical demands of League 1.
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Post by PHBA on Mar 3, 2024 10:03:37 GMT 1
I did think that when over in his first spell, he inherited a far worse team than this time, but now I'm not sl sure.
The level of this seasons recruitment and how poor it was, is becoming very apparent.
Close/pre season coming is going to have to be a total overhaul, and I think the player with the longest contract is Mata....that says it all.
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Post by secretshrew on Mar 3, 2024 10:25:36 GMT 1
It was a dire performance. Too many players having an off day which we can ill afford at this stage of the season. Udoh had a couple of half chances but if we don’t get players in the box we’re not going to score. There were a couple of times we were in promising positions and there was just nobody gambling and thus forced Udoh to take a shot which realistically he wasn’t going to score from.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 3, 2024 10:40:05 GMT 1
Shipley and bayliss have 1 good game every 5.....way to inconsistent.....and don't do enough..... That's probably still a better ratio than most others when it comes to injecting some creativity into our game though. I don't understand why Bayliss should be left out at any time if he is fit and available. As to why Bayliss was left out wasn't touched on in the interview with Hurst on the Town website I've just seen; whether he did so because of his performances, the change of formation they mentioned or something behind the scenes, not sure. But whilst we are struggling to create I don't see the point of leaving out one of few players who can. Hope to see him back next week anyhow.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Mar 3, 2024 10:45:50 GMT 1
Shipley and bayliss have 1 good game every 5.....way to inconsistent.....and don't do enough..... That's probably still a better ratio than most others when it comes to injecting some creativity into our game though. I don't understand why Bayliss should be left out at any time if he is fit and available. As to why Bayliss was left out wasn't touched on in the interview with Hurst on the Town website I've just seen; whether he did so because of his performances, the change of formation they mentioned or something behind the scenes, not sure. But whilst we are struggling to create I don't see the point of leaving out one of few players who can. Hope to see him back next week anyhow. Completely agree. I can see why Bayliss frustrates fans and it could be argued he's a bit of a luxury player, however we are team who struggles for goals so to leave your most creative player on the bench doesn't make any sense to me.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 3, 2024 10:57:28 GMT 1
I thought Hurst's comments about the movement at corners was interesting. A small thing perhaps in the grand scheme of things (I mean over the course of 90 minutes) but it suggests that a good few aren't even getting the basics right at the minute. That's a concern of course. But at least this should be something that can be put right, that can be rectified; which means there should be room for improvement on what we have seen over the last two games. Perhaps other areas he has seen that can be addressed too. So hope springs eternal. Even if they can just address things like that it ought to help us. Just got to hope that can put it right sooner rather than later.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Mar 3, 2024 11:00:05 GMT 1
Should also add it was one of the flattest, quietest atmospheres of the season (excluding the Blackpool fans) right from the very first whistle. It just felt like we all turned up expecting to get beat and the team obliged, the new manager bounce is well and truly over. Whilst performances have been better under Hurst and we've picked up some good results on the road, our home form has been terrible so it can't be too surprising that there isn't much of a feelgood factor around the place. In 2024, we've played 7 home games (including Wrexham) and won 1, which was 1st January.
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Post by secretshrew on Mar 3, 2024 11:04:45 GMT 1
That's probably still a better ratio than most others when it comes to injecting some creativity into our game though. I don't understand why Bayliss should be left out at any time if he is fit and available. As to why Bayliss was left out wasn't touched on in the interview with Hurst on the Town website I've just seen; whether he did so because of his performances, the change of formation they mentioned or something behind the scenes, not sure. But whilst we are struggling to create I don't see the point of leaving out one of few players who can. Hope to see him back next week anyhow. Completely agree. I can see why Bayliss frustrates fans and it could be argued he's a bit of a luxury player, however we are team who struggles for goals so to leave your most creative player on the bench doesn't make any sense to me. Reading between the lines & from watching them this season I think Bayliss struggles to play 2-3 games per week from a fitness perspective.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 3, 2024 11:07:12 GMT 1
Should also add it was one of the flattest, quietest atmospheres of the season (excluding the Blackpool fans) right from the very first whistle. It just felt like we all turned up expecting to get beat and the team obliged, the new manager bounce is well and truly over. what I noticed from some of our fans yesterday was the make shift toilet area at the back of block 19 , the p**s had trickled down a full 7 rows, classy that
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Post by servernaside on Mar 3, 2024 11:14:11 GMT 1
I don't think we were good, but we weren't awful either.
Blackpool are a a good side and they made us pay.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 3, 2024 11:38:53 GMT 1
I don't think we were good, but we weren't awful either. Blackpool are a a good side and they made us pay. we had a period of about 20 minutes in the first half, we were the better side, could have scored twice, should have scored once, ( both Udoh ) just before they scored their fans were mocking their own side with 'we've had a shot of target' chants, that was a decent header but straight into Harrys arms if only dan could have popped one of those chances in the net I think it might have been another losing away day for Blackpool, getting that goal really relaxed them and they started turning in on after that
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Mar 3, 2024 11:46:41 GMT 1
So pleased that I was not the only one baffled by the system employed yesterday. It hadn't even occurred to me, until listening to the post-match analysis, that we'd reverted to a back 3, as I spent most of the first half trying to work out where Sobowale was playing. Feeney, Dunkley, Sraha and Benning shaped like a back 4 to me, with Sobowale sitting deep and giving Feeney added protection. Whatever was intended, it clearly didn't work, and Blackpool found it so easy to play out from the back, with the Town's front three offering, at best, a half-hearted press. The next three games are massive, and it's surely time to revert to the formation and personnel (with the obvious exception of Pierre) used at Northampton. This would mean Perry instead of Hinchy, despite his limitations, as Hinchy is clearly not up to the physical demands of League 1. I still don’t understand why we moved away from 4-3-3 to 4-2-3-1. We passed the balll & attacked much more effectively allowing Bayliss & Perry to see plenty of the ball and attack. Also keeps Bayliss/Shipley close together to link and Winchester looks better as a sole pivot than in a 2
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Post by southstandviewer on Mar 3, 2024 12:25:56 GMT 1
A disappointing performance all round really and summed up our season.
One thing I did notice was their keeper when taking his goal kicks, he repeatedly put the ball down then moved it with his foot about a foot either way until he was happy with its position then stepped back and his kick. Hasn’t he then taken it the first time he moves the ball, if he did it with his hands then that’s different but he kept using his feet.
Discuss.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 3, 2024 12:33:10 GMT 1
So pleased that I was not the only one baffled by the system employed yesterday. It hadn't even occurred to me, until listening to the post-match analysis, that we'd reverted to a back 3, as I spent most of the first half trying to work out where Sobowale was playing. Feeney, Dunkley, Sraha and Benning shaped like a back 4 to me, with Sobowale sitting deep and giving Feeney added protection. Whatever was intended, it clearly didn't work, and Blackpool found it so easy to play out from the back, with the Town's front three offering, at best, a half-hearted press. The next three games are massive, and it's surely time to revert to the formation and personnel (with the obvious exception of Pierre) used at Northampton. This would mean Perry instead of Hinchy, despite his limitations, as Hinchy is clearly not up to the physical demands of League 1. I still don’t understand why we moved away from 4-3-3 to 4-2-3-1. That's touched on in the post match interview... Paul Hurst post Blackpool
Around the 4 minute mark. In part because he thinks it's a better fit for Sraha and also because of how Blackpool line up.
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Post by onthepitch on Mar 3, 2024 12:47:59 GMT 1
I left when the second goal went in yesterday, not something I've done before but what was the point stopping when you could get a head start getting out of the car park?
Ultimately yesterday they were up against a better side, that was clear. But, you could say the same about most teams in the division. Derby and Barnsley for sure, and yet the same excuse wasn't needed as the players actually performed.
Thats a big issue for me. Its clear now that a good few of them are just going through the motions.
We are in a relegation battle, where is the fight? They look as though they have given up to me.
The next three games could decide our season. Could decide if each of them has a relegation on their CVs .. question is are they all that bothered? If they are then they really really need to start showing it... now is the time!!
As for what I would do with them, I may be naieve as I dont have coaching badges and all that, and I'm certain many will disagree, but ...
I think Feeney is trying, he just isn't good enough, so I'd try swapping him at RB for Bennet. I'd leave Shippers and Baylis on the bench as I think they are both lazy over 90 mins. Plus they only seem to be able to do well together, so perhaps they'd be better as impact subs in the last 30mins. They both can go for it knowing they aren't going to have to run for too long, maybe we'd get better results from them? ...
Other areas, especially against the next three opponents. I think they need to start running with the ball, directly taking players on, especially around and in the box where they can make players back off or commit to challenges.
Defenders in this division have the upper hand when it comes to long balls and crosses. It's the bread and butter as they say. But running at them, especially in the middle of the pitch, with a runner alongside creates panic (at the top level let alone this). Im sure we would get much better results.
Players like Bloxham, Perry and Benning can all do this, they just need to be in the right areas of the pitch! We won't get there with long ball or sloooow wing play that is too easily defended.
Add to that, a sharpness to pick up the loose balls this would create around the box... looking at Udoh... we never have a player in the right position when the ball is pinging around. Wheres the Paul Evans/Scholes/Lampard edge of the D 2nd ball snapshot? This chance goes begging multiple times in each game as it is... I can never figure out why none of them anticipate it better?
Ultimately I think they are good enough to get points in all three of the games coming up 'if' they approach them the right way and put a shift in.. 5 or 6 points please 🙏
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 3, 2024 13:14:41 GMT 1
Hey,that's spot on matey....that's exactly how I see it....most of that team yesterday,will be gone in the summer,are they bothered...no,but we will see at vale next week to be sure.as for bayliss and Shipley,if your relying on them to get us out the s**t,you may as well forget about it....2 lazy players,who will probably not be here next season🤷🤷👍
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Post by ssshrew on Mar 3, 2024 14:12:05 GMT 1
I still don’t understand why we moved away from 4-3-3 to 4-2-3-1. That's touched on in the post match interview... Paul Hurst post Blackpool
Around the 4 minute mark. In part because he thinks it's a better fit for Sraha and also because of how Blackpool line up. Well that worked well!
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Post by ssshrew on Mar 3, 2024 14:14:02 GMT 1
Perhaps the players don’t give a damn. They get paid whatever. It certainly doesn’t read at the moment as if they are playing for the club or the manager.
As for Udoh, I do wonder if he is completely over the bug that kept him out last week. Perhaps he was brought back too soon? Just a thought.
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 3, 2024 14:21:47 GMT 1
If we do go down,I still don't think that some of the players who played yesterday,will be even good enough for league 2....simple as🤷🤷
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Post by MetaShrew on Mar 3, 2024 14:27:00 GMT 1
Rather be in our position than that of the four teams below us, but the pressure is increasing week on week.
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Post by akpaakpost on Mar 3, 2024 14:33:19 GMT 1
Agree with most of what’s been said on here, but regarding criticism of Shipley I really can’t understand it, we’d be already relegated if it wasn’t for him. We lose 1 of either him, Winchester or Dunkley I think our seasons over. To say he’s lazy or only turns up once in every 5 games is far from the truth in my opinion. He’s probably one of our better performers every single game, that doesn’t mean he’s good every game, but every time we’re good or finish a game with 1 or 3 points, it’s usually down to his influence.
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 3, 2024 14:41:13 GMT 1
How long as Shipley been here now...3yrs....how many goals has he scored in that time please???24/25??? any body with the stats??for a quality player,I would expect that at least
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Post by ssshrew on Mar 3, 2024 14:54:17 GMT 1
Agree with most of what’s been said on here, but regarding criticism of Shipley I really can’t understand it, we’d be already relegated if it wasn’t for him. We lose 1 of either him, Winchester or Dunkley I think our seasons over. To say he’s lazy or only turns up once in every 5 games is far from the truth in my opinion. He’s probably one of our better performers every single game, that doesn’t mean he’s good every game, but every time we’re good or finish a game with 1 or 3 points, it’s usually down to his influence. f he was more consistent, he wouldn’t be playing for us he’d be in the Championship.
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 3, 2024 15:14:33 GMT 1
Yep....and that's why Coventry let him go!!!👍👍
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Post by londonshrew75 on Mar 3, 2024 15:51:08 GMT 1
Give me strength. How many games has Shipley spent at full back/wing back ? If we're going to win games before now and the end of the season the luxury players have got to be given some sort of free reign. Starting with two up front at Vale
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 3, 2024 16:17:35 GMT 1
Shipley should be the key man in our team if we hope to create goals.
We have no alternative playmakers in the squad which again comes down to one thing, recruitment.
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 3, 2024 16:18:05 GMT 1
Yep...they are a luxury.... we'll see what kinda shift they put in next week...when it starts to really count🤷🤷🤷🤦
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