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Post by northwestman on Feb 18, 2024 20:53:27 GMT 1
It's big defeat, but why do I always get the impression that BBC Sport just loves it? Their joyful abandon with which they use critical expletives is endless....catastrophic. abysmal, awful, slump, miserable etc. etc. I have noticed that sny England victory is described in much more measured tones. Do you think it has got worse since they lost radio ball by ball commentary?
The BBC is in love with chuffin' tennis and snooker. No. Eurosport covers both tennis and snooker in far more depth. The Australian Open Tennis was covered by Eurosport recently as are the other Grand Slam Tournaments. BBC is only interested in Wimbledon. As for Snooker, BBC only covers the World Championship, the UK Championship and the Masters - and it's not uninterrupted coverage either. Eurosport covers every shot - The Welsh Open Final is on there tonight. ITV4 covers other snooker tournaments. |
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Post by northwestman on Feb 18, 2024 20:56:35 GMT 1
I would have thought they would realise there is a time to play "Bazball" and a time to play real test cricket. ......but sadly not....and Root is proving to be a slightly better bowler than batsman in India.....and its time sadly for Bairstow to retire. What would you say 'real test cricket' is? What we used to do prior to McCullum coming in which was play conservative cricket, be 30-3, go into our shell and hope Root bails us out? I do get why people get frustrated at times with this brand of cricket, but someone summed it up well today. When we are playing attacking cricket and it goes well then fans/pundits can't get enough of it and we are the saviours of test cricket, yet when we have tests like this then it's an absolute failure and the players are mindless. And then come the next test, if Root reverse sweeps Bumrah for 6 he will be hailed a genius Personally, my main issue with the 'Bazball' is the sanctimonious nature of some of the England Team/media/fans and the hype around this. When we go round trying to claim we've invented a new style and are saviours of the game then don't be surprised when people in the game take joy in seeing you fall on your arse The players were mindless in the 1st two Tests of the Ashes series - that's why we only ended drawing a series that we should have won comfortably. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 21:08:35 GMT 1
What would you say 'real test cricket' is? What we used to do prior to McCullum coming in which was play conservative cricket, be 30-3, go into our shell and hope Root bails us out? I do get why people get frustrated at times with this brand of cricket, but someone summed it up well today. When we are playing attacking cricket and it goes well then fans/pundits can't get enough of it and we are the saviours of test cricket, yet when we have tests like this then it's an absolute failure and the players are mindless. And then come the next test, if Root reverse sweeps Bumrah for 6 he will be hailed a genius Personally, my main issue with the 'Bazball' is the sanctimonious nature of some of the England Team/media/fans and the hype around this. When we go round trying to claim we've invented a new style and are saviours of the game then don't be surprised when people in the game take joy in seeing you fall on your arse The players were mindless in the 1st two Tests of the Ashes series - that's why we only ended drawing a series that we should have won comfortably. There is nothing wrong with attacking cricket, far from it BUT you still need to use some noggin when to apply it, and that is what test cricket is all about, you have to be sensible and flexible, to play the conditions. England lost this test match on the 3rd day because they could not get out of the "bazball" approach when a more circumspect approach would have got them on par with India's first innings total. As for Joe Root, he is too good a batsman to be throwing his wicket away, as he has done too many times so far in this series. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 18, 2024 22:26:46 GMT 1
Do you think it has got worse since they lost radio ball by ball commentary? The BBC is in love with chuffin' tennis and snooker. No. Eurosport covers both tennis and snooker in far more depth. The Australian Open Tennis was covered by Eurosport recently as are the other Grand Slam Tournaments. BBC is only interested in Wimbledon. As for Snooker, BBC only covers the World Championship, the UK Championship and the Masters - and it's not uninterrupted coverage either. Eurosport covers every shot - The Welsh Open Final is on there tonight. ITV4 covers other snooker tournaments. I'll continue to avoid Eurosport then. I was, though, thinking specifically of radio. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Feb 18, 2024 23:29:07 GMT 1
Do you think it has got worse since they lost radio ball by ball commentary?
The BBC is in love with chuffin' tennis and snooker. No. Eurosport covers both tennis and snooker in far more depth. The Australian Open Tennis was covered by Eurosport recently as are the other Grand Slam Tournaments. BBC is only interested in Wimbledon. As for Snooker, BBC only covers the World Championship, the UK Championship and the Masters - and it's not uninterrupted coverage either. Eurosport covers every shot - The Welsh Open Final is on there tonight. ITV4 covers other snooker tournaments. There was extensive coverage of the Welsh Open Snooker on BBC Wales all the way through. |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 19, 2024 13:39:08 GMT 1
The players were mindless in the 1st two Tests of the Ashes series - that's why we only ended drawing a series that we should have won comfortably. I expect if you speak to the players, they will say they played the same style of cricket in all 5 tests but the first two we lost so it's labelled mindless. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 15:08:46 GMT 1
Higher risk cricket means sometimes it will spectacularly pay off and other times it will spectacularly embarrass themselves, it doesn’t mean they can’t fine tune it and learn from mistakes.
A bit bored of all the chat that we can’t beat the best teams by playing this way, the only reason we even have a chance is by playing this way.
Also bored of some of the bravado and self indulgence from England about the way they play, just be honest and say it’s how it gets the best out of players and they’re playing in the way they enjoy, rather than claiming to be self appointed saviours of test cricket.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 23, 2024 12:08:09 GMT 1
Well we came back well today and great to see Root back in form. With the pitch doing things on day 1, it's good that we aren't batting last. Ideally will add on some more runs tomorrow but realistically I'm expecting to wake up to see us skittled out for about 320
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2024 14:04:08 GMT 1
Joe Root back to his very best, good to see.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 25, 2024 11:44:34 GMT 1
Well it certainly looks like we've thrown this away
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 25, 2024 12:09:07 GMT 1
Well...just remember the 3 words....."flatter to deceive"🤷🤷
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2024 13:32:29 GMT 1
Not looking good at the moment...
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 26, 2024 9:16:50 GMT 1
Yep,as I said " should of come home weeks ago".....flatter to deceive 👍
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Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 26, 2024 13:28:50 GMT 1
Very disappointing to lose that but it's a first series defeat under McCullum/Stokes so a bit early to get the pitchforks out.
But the way we played in the second innings should please some, playing defensively, scoring slowly, getting out to defensive prods, that's the proper traditional cricket that some people apparently crave.
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 26, 2024 13:45:26 GMT 1
No,just admit that India are far to good for England on there own patch.....near invincible on there home territory 👍👍🏏🏏🏏
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2024 13:52:36 GMT 1
Feels like a missed opportunity given the number of Indian players missing, and that we went one nil up, but to be honest we’ve been more competitive than I thought we would’ve been. Will most probably be a 4-1 defeat though.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 26, 2024 13:53:52 GMT 1
No,just admit that India are far to good for England on there own patch.....near invincible on there home territory 👍👍🏏🏏🏏 I haven't denied that, in fact I haven't commented at all about how good they are. Of course are a very good side but I'd argue that they flatter to deceive, they have an abundance of talent but haven't won a competition for a long time or had a period of domination like the Aussies (or Windies before them). The frustrating thing is we have lost the series but we should be going into the final test with things level. |
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 26, 2024 14:09:34 GMT 1
Yep......but "flatter to deceive"👍👍
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Post by Minormorris64 on Feb 27, 2024 11:03:35 GMT 1
Also just another little note, Rishabh Pant (1st choice Wicketkeeper) still out after his car crash, so the lad in the last 2 Tests was in effect their 3rd choice Wicketkeeper !, and what a performance he put in.
Who would England's 3rd choice be ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2024 12:36:32 GMT 1
Also just another little note, Rishabh Pant (1st choice Wicketkeeper) still out after his car crash, so the lad in the last 2 Tests was in effect their 3rd choice Wicketkeeper !, and what a performance he put in. Who would England's 3rd choice be ? Ollie Robinson (Kent) toured with England Lions this winter when they played a 3 match series vs India A. The selectors could also turn to Ollie Pope if they wanted to keep it in house. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2024 10:18:11 GMT 1
Another shambolic batting collapse. Bring them back home now.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Mar 7, 2024 10:30:10 GMT 1
Another shambolic batting collapse. Bring them back home now. There will be more blaming on 'Bazball' but I think it's a cop-out and easy for the players to hide behind. The players are either not good enough or hopelessly out of form. Pope has had one decent innings but cant play spin, Bairstow is terribly out of form and the end is near, Root is out of form but you can't discard him, same goes for Stokes The ironic thing is for years we've been looking for a decent opening partnership, we finally have one but now our middle order can't bat |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2024 10:37:10 GMT 1
Disappointing to slump from 175-3 to 218 all out.
A number getting starts as well.
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 7, 2024 10:55:24 GMT 1
"flatter to deceive" springs to mind!!
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Post by northwestman on Mar 7, 2024 11:30:22 GMT 1
India 72/0 after only 15 overs.
Five 6s already!
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 7, 2024 13:03:39 GMT 1
Should of come home weeks ago,like I said🤦🤦🤦🤦
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2024 17:56:45 GMT 1
Another shambolic batting collapse. Bring them back home now. There will be more blaming on 'Bazball' but I think it's a cop-out and easy for the players to hide behind. The players are either not good enough or hopelessly out of form. Pope has had one decent innings but cant play spin, Bairstow is terribly out of form and the end is near, Root is out of form but you can't discard him, same goes for Stokes The ironic thing is for years we've been looking for a decent opening partnership, we finally have one but now our middle order can't bat India v England: Ollie Pope backed by Marcus Trescothick... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/68502307 |
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Post by chirkshrew on Mar 7, 2024 18:28:49 GMT 1
Absolutely no disgrace losing in India....most teams do.....just don't bother going there again!!!!😃😉😉
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Mar 7, 2024 18:59:40 GMT 1
Crikey. Haven't followed this tour much, but yet another batting collapse!
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Post by shrewsburytownfan on Mar 7, 2024 21:41:11 GMT 1
It's hardly surprising really that we have lost the series as India are probably the best team in test cricket at the moment and they are very hard to beat in home conditions. England have always had problems playing against spin and India have 4 very good ones in Yadav, Ashwin and jadeja and axar Patel. Whoever India pick from them 4 are better than what we have. Also regarding England getting low scores it's hardly surprising as look at the England players career test averages Crawley 32, duckett 40,pope 35,root 49, bairstow 36,stokes 36 and foakes 30. When your best batter in root only has 1 good score and a poor series then your bound to struggle. Bairstow never does well in India but England kept picking him. Pope again has a poor record I'm India but did have that one good big hundred. Stokes with the bat has been very poor this series with just 1 score above 50. Duckett got quite a few 20 or 30s but again one big score with that hundred. Foakes got a few 30s and a 47 but no 50. Only Crawley who has got 4 50 plus series and over 400 runs in this series has had a good series it's just a shame none of them 50s ended up being as a hundred. I think we have missed brook massively. I'm not saying he would have had a good series but at this early stage in his career he has performed well and has a average above 60 so I'm convinced he would have made more runs than bairstow or foakes.
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