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Post by camdenshrew on Dec 30, 2023 9:47:51 GMT 1
Wife and I got home at 1am after dropping off another mad fool off at Stevenage and another in Enfield. A manager is in trouble when they lose the away supporters which clearly MT did last night. Very clear with players being applauded. Never heard an group chant of "F... Off" aimed at any manager. This is then followed by the manager publicly naming players to blame. Blaming Shipley for the goal was an interesting one for me. Previous corner Burton had Shipley was on the half way line. For the goal Sobowale was on half way line, next corner no player was left up. Another clear shambles with tactics, defend every corner differently who is meant to pick up who? Also leaving a defender on half way line at a corner after 15 minutes, what the hell is that about? I imagine it's got something to do with Sobowale's pace if we manage to clear the corner. I'm just glad they are at last leaving somebody up as an outball when we are defending set pieces.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 30, 2023 9:58:56 GMT 1
3 away goals in 13 games - that alone should get you the sack, what a disgraceful return for the long suffering away fans. To continually park the bus and hope to win something from a set piece. Pre season looked promising l, I went to all the pre season games and it looked clear town we’re looking to pass the ball and play through the thirds. As soon as the season started it literally went out the window and it’s been long ball since. MT & Bigott have got to go, but I do think they’ll get Fleetwood & Wrexham (1 week) to put things right & try and get some loans in. Don't forget MM who is about to be let loose on the transfer market.
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 30, 2023 10:14:42 GMT 1
3 away goals in 13 games - that alone should get you the sack, what a disgraceful return for the long suffering away fans. To continually park the bus and hope to win something from a set piece. Pre season looked promising l, I went to all the pre season games and it looked clear town we’re looking to pass the ball and play through the thirds. As soon as the season started it literally went out the window and it’s been long ball since. MT & Bigott have got to go, but I do think they’ll get Fleetwood & Wrexham (1 week) to put things right & try and get some loans in. Don't forget MM who is about to be let loose on the transfer market. The fact him & the dinosaur are going at another transfer window genuinely keeps me up at night. This club is in a right state, anyone who is overly supportive of the chairman after this last 12 months is complicit in our demise as far as I'm concerned. At least my conscience is clear and I'll be on the right side of history when this debacle is over.
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Post by dibblydobbly on Dec 30, 2023 10:24:25 GMT 1
A friend of mine left on 38 minutes, which ties even my best effort for leaving a game early (citation - "O/T When's the earliest you've ever left a game" thread) Not one I'd have taken tonight personally, but who can blame him given how we're playing at the moment. We're such a bad, bad football team at the moment. We've had many a boring team and many a rubbish team over the years, but I don't know if we've had in recent years one that combines the two so effortlessly. Maybe the Jackson team of zombie loanees, although I'd argue they were just out and out s**t, whereas we know the majority of this team are capable of being better than this. I take the point from one of the poster's earlier in the thread that Udoh's injury wasn't the loss it once would have been, but it provoked a howl of despair from me personally. One of the only players in this team who can make me feel something, anything, even on a theoretical level, out for six weeks. It never rains, eh. Very depressing that all the oxygen of excitement around the Wrexham tie has been sucked out by recent performances. Is that two shots on target across the three festive fixtures? Incredible. (Also, despite the depression of another s**te result it's a good atmosphere on here tonight. No point-scoring, no bickering, no digging up of how the stats show actually we robbed Burton last season. Not sure what the reason for that is, but it's noticeable.) Spot on summary unfortunately. There is no bickering because we were poor against a poor side, nothing to see 2 ways we have tried hard against the bigger clubs and come short. Last 2 games have just been inexcusable. While much of what you say is accurate, I do look at the injury list and wonder if it is entirely a strategy/tactics problem: We recently had out/not playing: Anderson Feeney Sraha Nurse Fleming Flanagan - of which 2 are back Then in midfield Thorpe Finnigan Perry Bayliss Shipley - of which 2 are back in some shape or form and one is close judging by Burton and up front Kieran Phillips and now Udoh I don't know about you but much of that lot would I I think be in contention for first team starting line up. Come January window we may be able to get cover but 10+ good outfielders injured makes it impossible to have a settled team - I had thought we looked okay in the first part of the season, before that lot happened, So without disagreeing with the thrust of your post I do feel there is a lot there that disrupts and makes a settled, progressing side very difficult to achieve. Fingers crossed for January.
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Dec 30, 2023 10:26:45 GMT 1
Spot on summary unfortunately. There is no bickering because we were poor against a poor side, nothing to see 2 ways we have tried hard against the bigger clubs and come short. Last 2 games have just been inexcusable. While much of what you say is accurate, I do look at the injury list and wonder if it is entirely a strategy/tactics problem: We recently had out/not playing: Anderson Feeney Sraha Nurse Fleming Flanagan - of which 2 are back Then in midfield Thorpe Finnigan Perry Bayliss Shipley - of which 2 are back in some shape or form and one is close judging by Burton and up front Kieran Phillips and now Udoh I don't know about you but much of that lot would I I think be in contention for first team starting line up. Come January window we may be able to get cover but 10+ good outfielders injured makes it impossible to have a settled team - I had thought we looked okay in the first part of the season, before that lot happened, So without disagreeing with the thrust of your post I do feel there is a lot there that disrupts and makes a settled, progressing side very difficult to achieve. Fingers crossed for January. I do agree with alot of this, but still I can’t help but just feel angry at this point!
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Post by MartinB on Dec 30, 2023 10:36:33 GMT 1
Wife and I got home at 1am after dropping off another mad fool off at Stevenage and another in Enfield. A manager is in trouble when they lose the away supporters which clearly MT did last night. Very clear with players being applauded. Never heard an group chant of "F... Off" aimed at any manager. This is then followed by the manager publicly naming players to blame. Blaming Shipley for the goal was an interesting one for me. Previous corner Burton had Shipley was on the half way line. For the goal Sobowale was on half way line, next corner no player was left up. Another clear shambles with tactics, defend every corner differently who is meant to pick up who? Also leaving a defender on half way line at a corner after 15 minutes, what the hell is that about? I imagine it's got something to do with Sobowale's pace if we manage to clear the corner. I'm just glad they are at last leaving somebody up as an outball when we are defending set pieces. Get the pace bit but shows we haven't worked on simply things like who picks up who at corners, basics.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 30, 2023 10:39:30 GMT 1
From reading the posts on this and other threads since yesterdays game, it’s clear that even the more patient and optimistic amongst the board have been alarmed and hugely concerned by what we’ve served up in the last two games. It seems like hardly any fans have any faith or belief in the goings on at the club anymore which is a real sad and sorry state to be in.
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 30, 2023 10:43:37 GMT 1
From reading the posts on this and other threads since yesterdays game, it’s clear that even the more patient and optimistic amongst the board have been alarmed and hugely concerned by what we’ve served up in the last two games. It seems like hardly any fans have any faith or belief in the goings on at the club anymore which is a real sad and sorry state to be in. There's a tonne of regulars from 5 years ago not going anymore. The club is in absolute free fall and RW is asleep at the wheel again.
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 30, 2023 10:45:29 GMT 1
From reading the posts on this and other threads since yesterdays game, it’s clear that even the more patient and optimistic amongst the board have been alarmed and hugely concerned by what we’ve served up in the last two games. It seems like hardly any fans have any faith or belief in the goings on at the club anymore which is a real sad and sorry state to be in. There's a tonne of regulars from 5 years ago not going anymore. The club is in absolute free fall and RW is asleep at the wheel again. Yes was only talking to somebody the other day saying how many ex-regulars you never see any more Block 19 always deserted. Posh seats always half empty. Rest of the ground full of apathy. A very worrying and dangerous juncture in our clubs recent history
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Dec 30, 2023 10:50:22 GMT 1
There's a tonne of regulars from 5 years ago not going anymore. The club is in absolute free fall and RW is asleep at the wheel again. Yes was only talking to somebody the other day saying how many ex-regulars you never see any more Block 19 always deserted. Posh seats always half empty. Rest of the ground full of apathy. A very worrying and dangerous juncture in our clubs recent history The last 12 months block 19 has been empty for the majority of games
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Post by ProudSalopian on Dec 30, 2023 10:51:48 GMT 1
While much of what you say is accurate, I do look at the injury list and wonder if it is entirely a strategy/tactics problem: We recently had out/not playing: Anderson Feeney Sraha Nurse Fleming Flanagan - of which 2 are back Then in midfield Thorpe Finnigan Perry Bayliss Shipley - of which 2 are back in some shape or form and one is close judging by Burton and up front Kieran Phillips and now Udoh I don't know about you but much of that lot would I I think be in contention for first team starting line up. Come January window we may be able to get cover but 10+ good outfielders injured makes it impossible to have a settled team - I had thought we looked okay in the first part of the season, before that lot happened, So without disagreeing with the thrust of your post I do feel there is a lot there that disrupts and makes a settled, progressing side very difficult to achieve. Fingers crossed for January. Whilst many of them would be in in contention, the reality is not all of them would be in the eleven as there are other players available, for example: When Sraha and Flanagan are fit are which of the 3 centre halves are you going drop? When Nurse and Fleming are fit, you can't play both of them and do you drop Shipley to play one of them? When Bayliss & Finnigan are fit, are you going to play both of them over Perry & Winchester? The only two players who are injured and would walk back into the side are Udoh & Bayliss but both have been involved a lot this season so them being involved doesn't result in a big change in style. When the injured players are back, it certainly gives us more squad depth but I don't believe it will change the way we play. I'd love to be proven wrong though
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Post by darkshrew on Dec 30, 2023 11:08:22 GMT 1
A depressing trip home and I genuinely feel sorry for the players and staff too as they have to go back and analyse that.
Cannot see us attracting players in January and feel we are more likely to lose Dunkley and/or Marosi.
This is not a Tony Blair "things can only get better" moment - we have real relegation form and a cup game against Wrexham.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 30, 2023 11:08:38 GMT 1
There are no words.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 30, 2023 11:17:52 GMT 1
You'd have sent him flowers if that was Luke leahy
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 30, 2023 11:50:03 GMT 1
There was more than the one moment like that last night when you had your head in your hand. One or two spooned clearances come to mind.
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Post by Exkeeper on Dec 30, 2023 12:14:15 GMT 1
And therein lies the pop Robles. No manager worth his salt will agree to come in to work under Moore. As for Bignot, what purpose does he serve. He stood on the touchline waving his arms about like a copper on point duty art a Garden gnome convention. That's no way to talk about our next manager! Moore and Bignot are completely interchangeable - both have worked under the other at other clubs. Yes they have worked together at Lower/non-league clubs. Remind me again, why did they leave those clubs? As for the later comment that MM and MB should be shown the door, that won’t happen as it would be acceptance of the fact that someone get it wrong when appointing them.
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Post by shrewswolf on Dec 30, 2023 12:27:25 GMT 1
Spot on summary unfortunately. There is no bickering because we were poor against a poor side, nothing to see 2 ways we have tried hard against the bigger clubs and come short. Last 2 games have just been inexcusable. While much of what you say is accurate, I do look at the injury list and wonder if it is entirely a strategy/tactics problem: We recently had out/not playing: Anderson Feeney Sraha Nurse Fleming Flanagan - of which 2 are back Then in midfield Thorpe Finnigan Perry Bayliss Shipley - of which 2 are back in some shape or form and one is close judging by Burton and up front Kieran Phillips and now Udoh I don't know about you but much of that lot would I I think be in contention for first team starting line up. Come January window we may be able to get cover but 10+ good outfielders injured makes it impossible to have a settled team - I had thought we looked okay in the first part of the season, before that lot happened, So without disagreeing with the thrust of your post I do feel there is a lot there that disrupts and makes a settled, progressing side very difficult to achieve. Fingers crossed for January. Anderson - has been dropped by choice on more than one occasion & had a spell of being extremely poor. Feeney - Agreed, a regular before and after injury. However, has played in many of our awful performances. Sraha - Not in the managers thoughts at the start of the season. First league start was 14th October. Played a total of 6 league games for us - 1 1, 1 0, 0 2, 0 3, 3 2, 0 4. Nurse - I’m sure would be a regular when fit, fair enough. However (in my opinion) his abilities as a LWB are overstated anyway as we were flipping boring under Cotterill and he spent loads of his time out there. Would be an immediate upgrade on Benning, though. Fleming - looks handy and do think we miss him as he looked a proper LWB in his limited appearances. Flanagan - I think he’s been good but wasn’t in Taylor’s plans for the starting 11 when the season started. Been fairly regular during awful team performances. Thorpe - We’ll never know but his inability to become a stater at Burton a few months earlier means it’s a stretch to say we’d be much better with him imo. Finnigan - we’ll never know but Crewe fans did rate him so perhaps he could’ve changed the way we play for the better Bayliss - A regular in some of the most mundane performances & if you ask me, totally underwhelming under a manager who I thought was getting to let him loose. Shipley - also totally underwhelms me if I’m honest. I don’t think there has been a drastic improvement since his return. Perry - virtually ever present throughout this s**te. Phillips - he was absolute garbage when fit. Udoh - virtually ever present with 3 goals in 20+ appearances. Yes we’d be much worse without him but I don’t think we are yet at the stage of this injury to him coming into the equation. We’ve been appalling with him up front. I just don’t think the injuries change that much. If we had more legs then we may have picked up a few more points but my gripe isn’t with points on the board, it’s the manner of it and I’m not sure the style would be better with them there. To be honest, we are hugely over performing points wise anyway if what my eyes are telling me is correct. We are one of the worst sides in the division.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Dec 30, 2023 12:39:48 GMT 1
While much of what you say is accurate, I do look at the injury list and wonder if it is entirely a strategy/tactics problem: We recently had out/not playing: Anderson Feeney Sraha Nurse Fleming Flanagan - of which 2 are back Then in midfield Thorpe Finnigan Perry Bayliss Shipley - of which 2 are back in some shape or form and one is close judging by Burton and up front Kieran Phillips and now Udoh I don't know about you but much of that lot would I I think be in contention for first team starting line up. Come January window we may be able to get cover but 10+ good outfielders injured makes it impossible to have a settled team - I had thought we looked okay in the first part of the season, before that lot happened, So without disagreeing with the thrust of your post I do feel there is a lot there that disrupts and makes a settled, progressing side very difficult to achieve. Fingers crossed for January. Anderson - has been dropped by choice on more than one occasion & had a spell of being extremely poor. Feeney - Agreed, a regular before and after injury. However, has played in many of our awful performances. Sraha - Not in the managers thoughts at the start of the season. First league start was 14th October. Played a total of 6 league games for us - 1 1, 1 0, 0 2, 0 3, 3 2, 0 4. Nurse - I’m sure would be a regular when fit, fair enough. However (in my opinion) his abilities as a LWB are overstated anyway as we were flipping boring under Cotterill and he spent loads of his time out there. Would be an immediate upgrade on Benning, though. Fleming - looks handy and do think we miss him as he looked a proper LWB in his limited appearances. Flanagan - I think he’s been good but wasn’t in Taylor’s plans for the starting 11 when the season started. Been fairly regular during awful team performances. Thorpe - We’ll never know but his inability to become a stater at Burton a few months earlier means it’s a stretch to say we’d be much better with him imo. Finnigan - we’ll never know but Crewe fans did rate him so perhaps he could’ve changed the way we play for the better Bayliss - A regular in some of the most mundane performances & if you ask me, totally underwhelming under a manager who I thought was getting to let him loose. Shipley - also totally underwhelms me if I’m honest. I don’t think there has been a drastic improvement since his return. Perry - virtually ever present throughout this s**te. Phillips - he was absolute garbage when fit. Udoh - virtually ever present with 3 goals in 20+ appearances. Yes we’d be much worse without him but I don’t think we are yet at the stage of this injury to him coming into the equation. We’ve been appalling with him up front. I just don’t think the injuries change that much. If we had more legs then we may have picked up a few more points but my gripe isn’t with points on the board, it’s the manner of it and I’m not sure the style would be better with them there. To be honest, we are hugely over performing points wise anyway if what my eyes are telling me is correct. We are one of the worst sides in the division. Fair assessment on the whole. I guess the flipside is that if we'd have had even half of those fit then it would have given us more options and flexibility - would Shipley have been better this season if he hadn't been covering LWB, would the defence be so sloppy if we weren't always down to the same players, would some of the players who have been poor or underwhelming have been better if they weren't being run into the ground by having to play every week etc? And would there be a bit of a desire to play better from the players in the starting 11 if they knew they weren't guaranteed a place the following week? We've been unlucky and I think injuries have to be taken into account, I'd agree that the overall form and attacking play goes beyond it being an excuse now though.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 30, 2023 13:29:33 GMT 1
That's no way to talk about our next manager! Moore and Bignot are completely interchangeable - both have worked under the other at other clubs. Yes they have worked together at Lower/non-league clubs. Remind me again, why did they leave those clubs? As for the later comment that MM and MB should be shown the door, that won’t happen as it would be acceptance of the fact that someone get it wrong when appointing them. www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/grimsby-town-bignot-sacked-blackpool-4031092The Mariners won nine of their 27 matches under Marcus Bignot, who left National League club Solihull Moors to become Grimsby boss in November. His last game at the helm was Saturday's 3-1 win at Blackpool, which left them 14th in the table. Micky Moore and Gary Whild, who worked under Bignot, have also left the club. www.nwemail.co.uk/sport/barrow-afc/16434572.barrow-afc-sack-micky-moore-after-just-11-games/On 5 September 2017, Marcus Bignot was appointed interim assistant manager of National League side Barrow to assist caretaker manager Micky Moore.
Barrow AFC sacked Micky Moore after just 11 games. www.cheshire-live.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/micky-moore-not-able-continue-14261658Chester FC manager Marcus Bignot has revealed that his former number two at Grimsby Town and Solihull Moors, Micky Moore, can no longer commit to helping out the team on a voluntary basis. Moore had been assisting with first team affairs during the past month after leaving his post as Barrow manager earlier in the season. www.cheshire-live.co.uk/sport/football/chester-fc-sack-manager-marcus-14519983Chester FC have parted company with manager Marcus Bignot with just three games of the National League season remaining. In July 2022, Marcus Bignot was sacked by Birmingham after he was found guilty of homophobic abuse. (Wiki) On 26 July 2022 Marcus Bignot was appointed first-team coach of League One club Cheltenham Town, where Micky Moore was Director of Football.
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Post by southstandviewer on Dec 30, 2023 13:37:23 GMT 1
This group of players have trained together everyday for long enough now and should be showing us that they are a team. They should know where their teammate is or will be when passing, what is on display is a group who cannot control their first touch and resort to a hurried pass.
There were multiple examples last night where first touches were woeful and the second disastrous. Just flicking it on or looping it forward hardly evidenced a plan.
We probably had 3 passages of play where we strung 4 passes together out of 90 mins.
Burton were poor as well but we played into their strengths, 2 big centre backs clearing the ball without much finesse sums up our goal threat.
Painful, dismal football just glad it was only £18 not £28.
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Post by onthepitch on Dec 30, 2023 13:40:52 GMT 1
What a mess we are in eh? I've seen many heavier defeats in my time watching the Town, but that 'performance' was something else.
A while back I had thought we might be ok, and it did start to pick up a bit. Didn't expect anything from Pompey and P'boro but these three games against lower opposition had to be turned into points.
That's why these performances are unacceptable, and both the coaching/awful taxtics and the players too, have to take blame.
There were times last night where I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Kenneh must have had his boots on the wrong feet, or perhaps he'd had to borrow a pair from Marosi? Whatever the reason, he couldn't make a simple pass all night, and the 'shot' at goal with keeper way out of position was pathetic!
Dunkley busy wrestling as the ball flies past him, no idea where it is and then shouts and waves his arms around when they score. I get they have individual jobs to do, but these goals from set pieces and crosses are getting beyond a joke now. Why hasn't this been addressed, something is very wrong here.
Marosi, one pretty good save tipped over the bar, and a couple of other decent stops, but his distribution my god! It can't be that hard? Are they even working with him on this? Several times we had players streaking forward calling for the ball... to be fair to Taylor, he was going mad at him for not releasing it quicker... instead he waits then either kicks it out or directly on to a Burton defenders head, said defender having had enough time to make it back from our area, set himself and have a cup of tea.
Shipley, through on goal with opportunity to shoot and he squares it behind Bowman. We should have at least got a shot on target from that, absolutely useless!
Almost every player underperformed last night, we say Burton are a poor side but they could have been well out of sight.. three times they played dangerous balls across our box and none of our defenders were even close to them, thankfully neither were their strikers. 93 mins before we had a shot on target! After losing to the team bottom of the league they had to do better in this game.
What annoyed me even more (if possible) was watching the emotionless interview afterward. I dont see how injuries can be blamed for awful hoof and hope tactics or ridiculous individual errors. Also, moaning that the players need rest and won't get time to train at this point of the season, to me is rubbish! By now they ought to be prepared to go into a run of games like this, clearly they are not and whose fault is that!?
I'm on the fence no longer, had enough.
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 30, 2023 14:00:55 GMT 1
What a mess we are in eh? I've seen many heavier defeats in my time watching the Town, but that 'performance' was something else. A while back I had thought we might be ok, and it did start to pick up a bit. Didn't expect anything from Pompey and P'boro but these three games against lower opposition had to be turned into points. That's why these performances are unacceptable, and both the coaching/awful taxtics and the players too, have to take blame. There were times last night where I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Kenneh must have had his boots on the wrong feet, or perhaps he'd had to borrow a pair from Marosi? Whatever the reason, he couldn't make a simple pass all night, and the 'shot' at goal with keeper way out of position was pathetic! Dunkley busy wrestling as the ball flies past him, no idea where it is and then shouts and waves his arms around when they score. I get they have individual jobs to do, but these goals from set pieces and crosses are getting beyond a joke now. Why hasn't this been addressed, something is very wrong here. Marosi, one pretty good save tipped over the bar, and a couple of other decent stops, but his distribution my god! It can't be that hard? Are they even working with him on this? Several times we had players streaking forward calling for the ball... to be fair to Taylor, he was going mad at him for not releasing it quicker... instead he waits then either kicks it out or directly on to a Burton defenders head, said defender having had enough time to make it back from our area, set himself and have a cup of tea. Shipley, through on goal with opportunity to shoot and he squares it behind Bowman. We should have at least got a shot on target from that, absolutely useless! Almost every player underperformed last night, we say Burton are a poor side but they could have been well out of sight.. three times they played dangerous balls across our box and none of our defenders were even close to them, thankfully neither were their strikers. 93 mins before we had a shot on target! After losing to the team bottom of the league they had to do better in this game. What annoyed me even more (if possible) was watching the emotionless interview afterward. I dont see how injuries can be blamed for awful hoof and hope tactics or ridiculous individual errors. Also, moaning that the players need rest and won't get time to train at this point of the season, to me is rubbish! By now they ought to be prepared to go into a run of games like this, clearly they are not and whose fault is that!? I'm on the fence no longer, had enough. I agree with nearly all your post but think that MT should not be getting all the blame. Bignott and certainly MM should have their share The recruitment has been very poor why give MM January? Above all if RW cant or won't say anything then MM should he is sticking MT out to dry So far the new chief exec has seems very promising indeed Maybe he can persuade MM to stop hiding? (even though it is not his job to do so)
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 30, 2023 14:01:31 GMT 1
How would injuries change the fact we absolutely lumped it from top to back all night with no plan?
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Post by southstandviewer on Dec 30, 2023 14:10:07 GMT 1
What a mess we are in eh? I've seen many heavier defeats in my time watching the Town, but that 'performance' was something else. A while back I had thought we might be ok, and it did start to pick up a bit. Didn't expect anything from Pompey and P'boro but these three games against lower opposition had to be turned into points. That's why these performances are unacceptable, and both the coaching/awful taxtics and the players too, have to take blame. There were times last night where I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Kenneh must have had his boots on the wrong feet, or perhaps he'd had to borrow a pair from Marosi? Whatever the reason, he couldn't make a simple pass all night, and the 'shot' at goal with keeper way out of position was pathetic! Dunkley busy wrestling as the ball flies past him, no idea where it is and then shouts and waves his arms around when they score. I get they have individual jobs to do, but these goals from set pieces and crosses are getting beyond a joke now. Why hasn't this been addressed, something is very wrong here. Marosi, one pretty good save tipped over the bar, and a couple of other decent stops, but his distribution my god! It can't be that hard? Are they even working with him on this? Several times we had players streaking forward calling for the ball... to be fair to Taylor, he was going mad at him for not releasing it quicker... instead he waits then either kicks it out or directly on to a Burton defenders head, said defender having had enough time to make it back from our area, set himself and have a cup of tea. Shipley, through on goal with opportunity to shoot and he squares it behind Bowman. We should have at least got a shot on target from that, absolutely useless! Almost every player underperformed last night, we say Burton are a poor side but they could have been well out of sight.. three times they played dangerous balls across our box and none of our defenders were even close to them, thankfully neither were their strikers. 93 mins before we had a shot on target! After losing to the team bottom of the league they had to do better in this game. What annoyed me even more (if possible) was watching the emotionless interview afterward. I dont see how injuries can be blamed for awful hoof and hope tactics or ridiculous individual errors. Also, moaning that the players need rest and won't get time to train at this point of the season, to me is rubbish! By now they ought to be prepared to go into a run of games like this, clearly they are not and whose fault is that!? I'm on the fence no longer, had enough. I forgot to mention those 3 balls that went straight across our box from exactly the same pass and move pattern of play down our left.
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Post by onthepitch on Dec 30, 2023 14:26:16 GMT 1
I'd like to understand what Taylors role really is.
It's funny, I don't like the set up, but also think Moore has done his bit... he brought in a hot prospect from Ireland who is also an international, an international midfielder... the lad who Crewe fans were raving about. On paper most seemed positive, exciting even...
It's just when they get here the wheels fall off.
Strikers at Shrewsbury are expected to do too much imo... they must defend, chase lost causes, create their own opportunities and score... for years it has been this way. We never play to the strength of our attack minded players, it's the defensive side of things is always the priority at the expense of everything else.
The same under Turner, Ricketts, Cotterill, maybe not with Mellon or Hurst.
Now, I'm only a fan, I have no coaching badges so my opinion must be worth s**t. But in my opinion playing this way, having such long periods without the ball, having to run further than the opposition, facing more shots, blocking, throwing themselves in front of the ball etc can not be good for the team mentally or physically over the course of a season... I beleive we saw this under SC too, the injuries piled up last season too ... It must be bloody hard playing this way.
For me, the club needs a re-set... new ethos from top to bottom. Hopefully that won't be too far away.
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Post by jontifree on Dec 30, 2023 14:54:01 GMT 1
When Sobowale ran up the wing and crossed the ball which Mata should have put away, I was so excited I genuinely sent my mum & dad a text message to explain what I had just seen. All I can think is that Sobowale has had a rollocking for doing something that looked like football because he didn't dare do it again for the rest of the match and we resorted to the Under 8's style of swinging your leg whenever the ball comes close.
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Post by Exkeeper on Dec 30, 2023 15:20:58 GMT 1
We as a fan base, have always hated “long ball” football fight back to the days when John Beck used it so effectively. We have tolerated our own versions of it whilst complaining about a lack of entertainment. We then appoint a manager who was a very good player at the top level and whose has worked at Spurs, who are noted for playing decent, watchable football. We are then told that the Director of Football has told his that we are to play 3-5-2 ( more often 5-3-2). Immediately, the Head Coach had his hands tied behind his back. Players were brought in quickly, some from sides higher up the pyramid but we later found out that at least a couple of those were recovering from injuries and the parent clubs insist that they are used sparingly. A couple of “gems” were brought in from Ireland which was hailed as a master stroke only for the reality to dawn that the gulf in class between the Irish set up and League One was far granted than expected. We now have the prospect of nearly all our loan players being sent back to their parent clubs, who will surely send them packing at the end of the season whilst we scrape around in the Bargain Basement to try and find players good enough to keep us up. Finally I am bewildered as to what attracted RW to Mr Moore. Cheltenham had success in getting back into the League, reaching L1and managing to stay there. Was this down to MM or decent managers, Michael Duff in particular. Also, how big a part was down to getting lucky with the goals from Alfie May? Action must be taken now and if is not to be another rebuild of the structure, let us a least ditch the long ball crap and start playing football.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Dec 30, 2023 15:37:10 GMT 1
There's something pretty rotten right through the club at the moment, and I doubt I'm alone in worrying that Roland is far too blinkered to realise and, in any event, far too stubborn to do anything about it anyway. The atmosphere is starting to get toxic and nothing on or off the pitch gives me any comfort thet anything will change under the current situation. Absolutely everything about last night, the pitch, the players, the tactics, the lack of quality, from both teams, was bang average league two standard. Everything.
My biggest worry right now is that we'll end up losing a few of our soon to be out of contract players in the January window. Udoh and Marosi are the obvious two and absolutely nothing about our recruitment gives me any confidence we'll replace with anything like the same quality.
The next two games are absolutely massive. I took my time to reach a position where I felt Taylor needed to go, and through a few fortuitous results and a sense of relative comfort (despite the awful performances) I rowed back from that in November. I even felt on the fence after Portsmouth and Peterborough as I'm sensible enough to know neither of those fixtures would ever define where we finished, but, goodness me, Cheltenham and Burton absolutely will, and we absolutely stank the place out with our ineptitude in both. This really is last chance saloon for me, we need to find a win on Monday, but most of all we need to find our style, our tactics, our club's identify, and make it stick, not mindless, inept, and utterly pointless hoofball. I doubt there's anyone here who would ever have a problem with a hard fought defeat, after 35 years of being a Shrewsbury fan I'm used to them, but after travelling over 500 miles yesterday, spending well into three figures, and being on the road for almost 10 hours, I've got every bloody right to be hacked off about the lack of passion and effort that I saw from most of the players last night. That all said, and I've posted this many times, this is 100% Roland's fault. His delinquency got us into this mess, and his arrogance and stubbornness is making it exponentially worse. When you're in a hole, stop digging! Roland's just ordered himself a new JCB!!
That all said, I'm still looking forward to Wrexham, and Northampton, and Peterborough 🤣😂🙄
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Post by gobowenshrew on Dec 30, 2023 17:31:30 GMT 1
There was more than the one moment like that last night when you had your head in your hand. One or two spooned clearances come to mind. My favourite calamity of the whole night was when Sobowale went down with a knock and the ball goes out for a throw in to us. Rather than wait for him to get up,in our infinite wisdom we take it quickly and as is inevitably the case,we lose possession and suddenly there's a man completely unmarked on the left side of the pitch who has a half decent chance to score. Literally like watching a car crash unfold in slow motion.
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Post by gobowenshrew on Dec 30, 2023 17:37:29 GMT 1
Controversial opinion perhaps but I do think our strikers get a free pass for being woeful in front of goal by people blaming the lack of service.
The Mata chance last night should have been taken by any half-decent third tier striker. I then watched Bowman run around like a headless chicken for half an hour and bizarrely managed to get caught offside winning a header a mere two or three yards into the Burton half.
Udoh is another one who I feel being a great lad and having such a decent rapport with the fans, gets off lightly as well. His hold up play isn't anywhere near as good and he gets out-muscled too easily for my liking.
That said, there can't be a more thankless task in football than playing up front for us right now. Must feel a bit like being the San Marino goalkeeper.
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