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Post by belfastshrew on Dec 30, 2023 0:24:27 GMT 1
Wrexham are gonna annihilate us 😭 its gonna be really embarrassing
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Post by tarporleyblue on Dec 30, 2023 0:26:51 GMT 1
Well, it's been a day that's for sure. Left Shrewsbury at 11:00, back to Suffolk at 15:00 to drop the kids off, turned round, back along the A14, got to Burton after 7 and a half hours on the road, and now about to travel the A14 for the third time today, I'll be home by 01:00. A decent portion of chips and curry sauce was as good as it got as goodness me, when this team is bad it stinks the place out, and tonight we were bad. Aimless hoofball, players out of position (I get why) and a team absolutely shorn of confidence and that is tumbling headlong into a full blown relegation scrap. 14 defeats now this season, more than anyone else, and I doubt we've been competitive in many of them. The thing, yet again, for me, is Taylor's inability to change or even influence games. Pierre and Dunkley up front is Sunday league stuff. So, if, as I expect, he's given the January window then in all likelihood we've got him for the season but we're going to wake up one day soon in 21st place. Anyone confident we've got a plan for what we'll do then? I'm not. Hats off to you, that is one heck of a commitment to following the Town on the road. Respect.
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Post by shrewswolf on Dec 30, 2023 0:27:11 GMT 1
Can someone point me to the run of good performances, results and goals when the squad was largely fit? No. Exactly.
Injuries have obviously not helped but I struggle to believe we’d be much better off if there was less of them.
Tonight was absolutely horrendous and not football.
To say the strikers are basically missing plenty of chances is just pie in the sky stuff.
Just really, really bad tonight.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 30, 2023 0:27:17 GMT 1
MT is deservedly having to field a fair amount of criticism for the performances of the team.
But little mention is made of MM, whose selection of the new players that MT now has to work with has been underwhelming to say the least - and yet he's going to be let loose in the transfer market again in January.
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Post by belfastshrew on Dec 30, 2023 0:33:02 GMT 1
Stowmarket...you're on the New Year's Honours list for that commitment. Thank you for your support ❤️
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Post by belfastshrew on Dec 30, 2023 0:33:27 GMT 1
MT is deservedly having to field a fair amount of criticism for the performances of the team. But little mention is made of MM, whose selection of the new players that MT now has to work with has been underwhelming to say the least - and yet he's going to be let loose in the transfer market again in January. Who is the head of recruitment?
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Post by Exkeeper on Dec 30, 2023 0:35:16 GMT 1
MT is deservedly having to field a fair amount of criticism for the performances of the team. But little mention is made of MM, whose selection of the new players that MT now has to work with has been underwhelming to say the least - and yet he's going to be let loose in the transfer market again in January. And therein lies the problem. No manager worth his salt will agree to come in to work under Moore. As for Bignot, what purpose does he serve. He stood on the touchline waving his arms about like a copper on point duty art a Garden gnome convention.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 30, 2023 0:39:06 GMT 1
MT is deservedly having to field a fair amount of criticism for the performances of the team. But little mention is made of MM, whose selection of the new players that MT now has to work with has been underwhelming to say the least - and yet he's going to be let loose in the transfer market again in January. And therein lies the pop Robles. No manager worth his salt will agree to come in to work under Moore. As for Bignot, what purpose does he serve. He stood on the touchline waving his arms about like a copper on point duty art a Garden gnome convention. That's no way to talk about our next manager! Moore and Bignot are completely interchangeable - both have worked under the other at other clubs.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Dec 30, 2023 0:39:14 GMT 1
MT is deservedly having to field a fair amount of criticism for the performances of the team. But little mention is made of MM, whose selection of the new players that MT now has to work with has been underwhelming to say the least - and yet he's going to be let loose in the transfer market again in January. And therein lies the problem. No manager worth his salt will agree to come in to work under Moore. As for Bignot, what purpose does he serve. He stood on the touchline waving his arms about like a copper on point duty art a Garden gnome convention. I mentioned his backroom staff the other day. What indeed do they bring to the *party? They are part of the coaching set up after all. * not much of one at the moment, sadly.
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Post by Exkeeper on Dec 30, 2023 0:46:07 GMT 1
A couple of points stood out like a sore thumb. 1. When a side is conceding so many goals from corners and free kicks you have look at the keeper. The goal tonight was a header in the 6 yard box -the keeper’s territory He other comes and claims the cross as the Burton keeper did under pressure or he barks instruction the the players best placed to clear the danger. 2. A certain player out there tonight look to be one of the worst to play for STFC. Another inspired signing by our DOF..
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Post by northwestman on Dec 30, 2023 0:47:02 GMT 1
MT is deservedly having to field a fair amount of criticism for the performances of the team. But little mention is made of MM, whose selection of the new players that MT now has to work with has been underwhelming to say the least - and yet he's going to be let loose in the transfer market again in January. Who is the head of recruitment? Tom Ware - another import from Cheltenham. www.shrewsburytown.com/news/2023/july/tom-ware-joins-as-head-of-recruitment/"My relationship is really close with Micky, I've worked with him for four years now and essentially he'll give me the responsibility to go out and find the players using the data and the scouting. We use the modern and the traditional methods for scouting and often I'll make the introductions with the agents or the clubs we're speaking to and then Micky will work on the deals. "Micky will have a big impact in terms of identifying players. Micky will go to games and yeah, it'll be a collaboration between us and the coaching staff."
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Post by Scarecrow on Dec 30, 2023 0:49:59 GMT 1
Just got back and I thought by now I’d have calmed down but having listened to Taylor’s post-match thoughts frankly if he got sacked in the morning I’d have very little sympathy.
That was as bad as Ricketts. All we do is hoof the ball. No plan. No tactics. No strategy. No passages of play. All we do is pump the ball up to the strikers and expect them to score.
Kenneh couldn’t pass his way out of a paper bag, Perry disappeared for most of the game and god knows what’s happened to Shipley.
Taylor said that we needed better strikers in January to finish. Really? You could have Haaland upfront and he wouldn’t score in this team because we create nothing. He yanked off Mata at half time for missing the one chance we had then proceeded to call him out on the radio. What a way to destroy a young player’s confidence. It’s Bradshaw all over again. How are players supposed to score in this team if all we do is smack it long.
I’m not having the nonsense about this being a new team too that he peddled. Marosi, Shipley, Dunkley, Bowman, Bayliss… a good portion of this team were here last year and the players we have are good enough to win the kind of match like tonight.
Burton were limited, offered very little and clearly had less quality than us in terms of squad. The blame tonight lies with Roland for appointing this shambles of a footballing operation and Moore and Taylor for turning us into an absolute shambolic, poorly coached, underperforming team that couldn’t score in the conference.
It’s embarrassing but the question is how long we’ll have to suffer in it. Make no bones about it, we’re getting dragged into that relegation dogfight.
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Post by Exkeeper on Dec 30, 2023 0:59:55 GMT 1
Just got back and I thought by now I’d have calmed down but having listened to Taylor’s post-match thoughts frankly if he got sacked in the morning I’d have very little sympathy. That was as bad as Ricketts. All we do is hoof the ball. No plan. No tactics. No strategy. No passages of play. All we do is pump the ball up to the strikers and expect them to score. Kenneh couldn’t pass his way out of a paper bag, Perry disappeared for most of the game and god knows what’s happened to Shipley. Taylor said that we needed better strikers in January to finish. Really? You could have Haaland upfront and he wouldn’t score in this team because we create nothing. He yanked off Mata at half time for missing the one chance we had then proceeded to call him out on the radio. What a way to destroy a young player’s confidence. It’s Bradshaw all over again. How are players supposed to score in this team if all we do is smack it long. I’m not having the nonsense about this being a new team too that he peddled. Marosi, Shipley, Dunkley, Bowman, Bayliss… a good portion of this team were here last year and the players we have are good enough to win the kind of match like tonight. Burton were limited, offered very little and clearly had less quality than us in terms of squad. The blame tonight lies with Roland for appointing this shambles of a footballing operation and Moore and Taylor for turning us into an absolute shambolic, poorly coached, underperforming team that couldn’t score in the conference. It’s embarrassing but the question is how long we’ll have to suffer in it. Make no bones about it, we’re getting dragged into that relegation dogfight. Agree with the majority of that, but Mata is not anywhere near L- standard, much like Kenneh.
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Post by shrewswolf on Dec 30, 2023 1:04:05 GMT 1
And therein lies the problem. No manager worth his salt will agree to come in to work under Moore. As for Bignot, what purpose does he serve. He stood on the touchline waving his arms about like a copper on point duty art a Garden gnome convention. I mentioned his backroom staff the other day. What indeed do they bring to the *party? They are part of the coaching set up after all. * not much of one at the moment, sadly. According to Flanagan on Radio Shropshire, Bignot does the bulk of training. The more he spoke the more he realised Bignot contributed. Which seems funny in a Head Coach set up but what do I know?
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Dec 30, 2023 1:26:55 GMT 1
This is the final paragraph from the BBC website report on tonight’s game.
“The Brewers defence stood strong as the game wore on and numerous long balls were repelled by Sam Hughes and John Brayford to ensure Burton picked up all three points for the second time in four days.”
Think it sums up MT’s tactics perfectly!
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Post by Pilch on Dec 30, 2023 1:37:37 GMT 1
Posts moved for review , please stick to the topic Putting Pilch in charge of admin is killing the forum, just saying 🙄 I know you've gone out of your way 3 times in your last 5 posts to single me out for something pathetic but I'm not biting , have fun 👍
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Dec 30, 2023 1:38:09 GMT 1
A friend of mine left on 38 minutes, which ties even my best effort for leaving a game early (citation - "O/T When's the earliest you've ever left a game" thread) Not one I'd have taken tonight personally, but who can blame him given how we're playing at the moment.
We're such a bad, bad football team at the moment. We've had many a boring team and many a rubbish team over the years, but I don't know if we've had in recent years one that combines the two so effortlessly. Maybe the Jackson team of zombie loanees, although I'd argue they were just out and out s**t, whereas we know the majority of this team are capable of being better than this. I take the point from one of the poster's earlier in the thread that Udoh's injury wasn't the loss it once would have been, but it provoked a howl of despair from me personally. One of the only players in this team who can make me feel something, anything, even on a theoretical level, out for six weeks. It never rains, eh.
Very depressing that all the oxygen of excitement around the Wrexham tie has been sucked out by recent performances. Is that two shots on target across the three festive fixtures? Incredible.
(Also, despite the depression of another s**te result it's a good atmosphere on here tonight. No point-scoring, no bickering, no digging up of how the stats show actually we robbed Burton last season. Not sure what the reason for that is, but it's noticeable.)
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Post by jimmelrosesjaw on Dec 30, 2023 1:42:07 GMT 1
Just got back and I thought by now I’d have calmed down but having listened to Taylor’s post-match thoughts frankly if he got sacked in the morning I’d have very little sympathy. That was as bad as Ricketts. All we do is hoof the ball. No plan. No tactics. No strategy. No passages of play. All we do is pump the ball up to the strikers and expect them to score. Kenneh couldn’t pass his way out of a paper bag, Perry disappeared for most of the game and god knows what’s happened to Shipley. Taylor said that we needed better strikers in January to finish. Really? You could have Haaland upfront and he wouldn’t score in this team because we create nothing. He yanked off Mata at half time for missing the one chance we had then proceeded to call him out on the radio. What a way to destroy a young player’s confidence. It’s Bradshaw all over again. How are players supposed to score in this team if all we do is smack it long. I’m not having the nonsense about this being a new team too that he peddled. Marosi, Shipley, Dunkley, Bowman, Bayliss… a good portion of this team were here last year and the players we have are good enough to win the kind of match like tonight. Burton were limited, offered very little and clearly had less quality than us in terms of squad. The blame tonight lies with Roland for appointing this shambles of a footballing operation and Moore and Taylor for turning us into an absolute shambolic, poorly coached, underperforming team that couldn’t score in the conference. It’s embarrassing but the question is how long we’ll have to suffer in it. Make no bones about it, we’re getting dragged into that relegation dogfight. Very good post.
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 30, 2023 2:02:14 GMT 1
Well, it's been a day that's for sure. Left Shrewsbury at 11:00, back to Suffolk at 15:00 to drop the kids off, turned round, back along the A14, got to Burton after 7 and a half hours on the road, and now about to travel the A14 for the third time today, I'll be home by 01:00. A decent portion of chips and curry sauce was as good as it got as goodness me, when this team is bad it stinks the place out, and tonight we were bad. Aimless hoofball, players out of position (I get why) and a team absolutely shorn of confidence and that is tumbling headlong into a full blown relegation scrap. 14 defeats now this season, more than anyone else, and I doubt we've been competitive in many of them. The thing, yet again, for me, is Taylor's inability to change or even influence games. Pierre and Dunkley up front is Sunday league stuff. So, if, as I expect, he's given the January window then in all likelihood we've got him for the season but we're going to wake up one day soon in 21st place. Anyone confident we've got a plan for what we'll do then? I'm not. You sir deserve a medal for your continuous unwavering support and honest takes on this team, incredible commitment given what they’re serving up
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Post by Pilch on Dec 30, 2023 2:07:50 GMT 1
Well, it's been a day that's for sure. Left Shrewsbury at 11:00, back to Suffolk at 15:00 to drop the kids off, turned round, back along the A14, got to Burton after 7 and a half hours on the road, and now about to travel the A14 for the third time today, I'll be home by 01:00. A decent portion of chips and curry sauce was as good as it got as goodness me, when this team is bad it stinks the place out, and tonight we were bad. Aimless hoofball, players out of position (I get why) and a team absolutely shorn of confidence and that is tumbling headlong into a full blown relegation scrap. 14 defeats now this season, more than anyone else, and I doubt we've been competitive in many of them. The thing, yet again, for me, is Taylor's inability to change or even influence games. Pierre and Dunkley up front is Sunday league stuff. So, if, as I expect, he's given the January window then in all likelihood we've got him for the season but we're going to wake up one day soon in 21st place. Anyone confident we've got a plan for what we'll do then? I'm not. You sir deserve a medal for your continuous unwavering support and honest takes on this team, incredible commitment given what they’re serving up We finished up today 4-3-3 , dunkley and Pierre up front ? They certainly were not , we might have had 4 centre backs across the back due to the circumstances but not need to invent bulls**t , unless you are counting them going up for the late barrage of corners we had , to little To late maybe but no need to invent crap
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 30, 2023 2:10:03 GMT 1
Lose against fleetwood then pretty sure he’s a gonna, majority of fans are against him now, the chants were clear tonight. The conveyor belt of managers hired and fired by Roland. Time he called it a day himself That time was many years ago I cannot bring myself to slate Taylor or the players at these games - Roland and Moore are the main culprits to blame
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 30, 2023 2:12:33 GMT 1
Just got back and I thought by now I’d have calmed down but having listened to Taylor’s post-match thoughts frankly if he got sacked in the morning I’d have very little sympathy. That was as bad as Ricketts. All we do is hoof the ball. No plan. No tactics. No strategy. No passages of play. All we do is pump the ball up to the strikers and expect them to score. Kenneh couldn’t pass his way out of a paper bag, Perry disappeared for most of the game and god knows what’s happened to Shipley. Taylor said that we needed better strikers in January to finish. Really? You could have Haaland upfront and he wouldn’t score in this team because we create nothing. He yanked off Mata at half time for missing the one chance we had then proceeded to call him out on the radio. What a way to destroy a young player’s confidence. It’s Bradshaw all over again. How are players supposed to score in this team if all we do is smack it long. I’m not having the nonsense about this being a new team too that he peddled. Marosi, Shipley, Dunkley, Bowman, Bayliss… a good portion of this team were here last year and the players we have are good enough to win the kind of match like tonight. Burton were limited, offered very little and clearly had less quality than us in terms of squad. The blame tonight lies with Roland for appointing this shambles of a footballing operation and Moore and Taylor for turning us into an absolute shambolic, poorly coached, underperforming team that couldn’t score in the conference. It’s embarrassing but the question is how long we’ll have to suffer in it. Make no bones about it, we’re getting dragged into that relegation dogfight. For me, this is, and has been all season, far worse than anything Ricketts served up Agree with your last point, I never bought the 11/12th place position and now sadly it’s correcting itself, we are in a massive relegation dog fight, I’d take 5th bottom now with this set up
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 30, 2023 2:21:50 GMT 1
After watching that game I couldn’t even bring myself to be angry, my overriding emotion was sadness because it’s confirmation, if it were needed, of exactly where we’re at now.
We played a poor team who had one chance all game and got nothing from it, and nobody could even argue we deserved a point. After Taylor’s public criticism of conceding from set pieces against Cheltenham, we go and do the same again tonight. In possession we’re an absolute embarrassment and that shows no sign of changing.
I feel for Taylor in the sense that it isn’t all his fault yet he cops the blame, but at the same time his team have shown zero signs of progression and improvement through the whole season so what the hell is he doing.
It’s going to be a horrible horrible slog to the end of the season and I’m loathe to abandon the team in a time of crisis, but there’s absolutely no reason to travel to support these guys at the moment. I applaud the likes of Stowmarketshrew who’ve gone above and beyond and been rewarded with such ineptitude.
I’ll be there on New Years Day to support loudly, it’s a pivotal game not just in our season but in our recent history.
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Post by gtismygod on Dec 30, 2023 3:24:06 GMT 1
That was arguably the worst performance I’ve ever seen from a Town side. Truly pathetic, from first whistle to the last. As soon as I saw the starting eleven I feared the worst. At least two or three players in that eleven are nowhere near League One standard.
I’ve never seen a side so averse to playing football. It was one touch followed by an aimless hoof up the pitch. It was borderline comical. Every time the ball dropped to one of the defenders they’d take a touch and smash it without even looking. Every time the ball dropped to a midfielder they’d control it and hook it long into the channel. The forty yard diagonal drilled into poor Jack Loughran at head height in stoppage time summed up the evening for me.
None of the players come out of that with any credit, and that’s probably the first time that I’ve ever said that. Kenneh was particularly poor - he’s so bad on the ball that he looks like a centre half that’s being forced to play in midfield.
We didn’t even create a half chance really. And Burton looked an absolutely terrible side. But considerably better than us.
Respect to the support which was loud and unrelenting, despite the crap that was served up. The players coming over at the end to apologise is all well and good, but when will they stop apologising and start performing?
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Post by pughywasfree on Dec 30, 2023 7:35:22 GMT 1
Lose against fleetwood then pretty sure he’s a gonna, majority of fans are against him now, the chants were clear tonight. The conveyor belt of managers hired and fired by Roland. Time he called it a day himself I would even know where to start to look it up but I would imagine that we have had less managers over the last 20 years than a lot of other clubs. All clubs change manager when things go down the pan so I think your dig is unfair.
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 30, 2023 7:38:18 GMT 1
Listening to the post match I felt sorry for Taylor he comes across as a very nice man who has been dealt a terrible hand not just by injuries ,but above all by MM, but sympathy is not enough the new set up is not working it appears there is lack of role clarity and the recruitment has been really really poor as have the tactics
I think giving MM the January transfer window is a huge risk but only RW can change that
I agree with an earlier poster there is a certain amount of apathy at the moment because we can affect nothing and apathy for a club like ours is more dangerous than anger
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Post by pughywasfree on Dec 30, 2023 7:42:46 GMT 1
A friend of mine left on 38 minutes, which ties even my best effort for leaving a game early (citation - "O/T When's the earliest you've ever left a game" thread) Not one I'd have taken tonight personally, but who can blame him given how we're playing at the moment. We're such a bad, bad football team at the moment. We've had many a boring team and many a rubbish team over the years, but I don't know if we've had in recent years one that combines the two so effortlessly. Maybe the Jackson team of zombie loanees, although I'd argue they were just out and out s**t, whereas we know the majority of this team are capable of being better than this. I take the point from one of the poster's earlier in the thread that Udoh's injury wasn't the loss it once would have been, but it provoked a howl of despair from me personally. One of the only players in this team who can make me feel something, anything, even on a theoretical level, out for six weeks. It never rains, eh. Very depressing that all the oxygen of excitement around the Wrexham tie has been sucked out by recent performances. Is that two shots on target across the three festive fixtures? Incredible. (Also, despite the depression of another s**te result it's a good atmosphere on here tonight. No point-scoring, no bickering, no digging up of how the stats show actually we robbed Burton last season. Not sure what the reason for that is, but it's noticeable.) Spot on summary unfortunately. There is no bickering because we were poor against a poor side, nothing to see 2 ways we have tried hard against the bigger clubs and come short. Last 2 games have just been inexcusable.
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 30, 2023 7:46:17 GMT 1
not sure it is arrogant to say these look 2 poor sides and town look much less effective than Burton Look at the league positions if you think were good you have read me wrong there Town are far from good ! agreed and Burton were not great (compared to some recent opponents and according to current league position )which was my original point
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Post by MartinB on Dec 30, 2023 8:36:12 GMT 1
Wife and I got home at 1am after dropping off another mad fool off at Stevenage and another in Enfield.
A manager is in trouble when they lose the away supporters which clearly MT did last night. Very clear with players being applauded. Never heard an group chant of "F... Off" aimed at any manager.
This is then followed by the manager publicly naming players to blame.
Blaming Shipley for the goal was an interesting one for me. Previous corner Burton had Shipley was on the half way line. For the goal Sobowale was on half way line, next corner no player was left up.
Another clear shambles with tactics, defend every corner differently who is meant to pick up who? Also leaving a defender on half way line at a corner after 15 minutes, what the hell is that about?
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Dec 30, 2023 9:05:06 GMT 1
3 away goals in 13 games - that alone should get you the sack, what a disgraceful return for the long suffering away fans. To continually park the bus and hope to win something from a set piece.
Pre season looked promising l, I went to all the pre season games and it looked clear town we’re looking to pass the ball and play through the thirds. As soon as the season started it literally went out the window and it’s been long ball since.
MT & Bigott have got to go, but I do think they’ll get Fleetwood & Wrexham (1 week) to put things right & try and get some loans in.
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