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Post by Pilch on Dec 31, 2023 13:30:23 GMT 1
I believe the management structure we have is our best opportunity to build a squad capable of sustained upper league 1/lower Championship over the next couple of seasons. Let's not throw it all away on a knee jerk reaction and resorting to the manager-go-round who all want to spend money getting their favoured players in. Our DOF and assistant coach have a long history of failing at lower league clubs and getting sacked by smaller clubs than us - I think Northwestman posted all the details the other day, it’s scary As for our Head Coach, not much to go by but he did a crap job at Walsall and has so far done the same here If you think this lot can get us in to the Championship, can I have some of what you’re smoking please? 😂 Our best chance is firstly getting some overdue investment in, and then getting an experienced manager in like last season you seem to be getting desperate for bites now, accusations of drug taking and mentioning cotterill again |
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 31, 2023 13:35:39 GMT 1
I believe the management structure we have is our best opportunity to build a squad capable of sustained upper league 1/lower Championship over the next couple of seasons. Let's not throw it all away on a knee jerk reaction and resorting to the manager-go-round who all want to spend money getting their favoured players in. I presume this is a wind up for a couple of bites? If it's not I'm genuinely concerned for you. |
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 31, 2023 13:36:28 GMT 1
There's one person who's desperate for a bite and has been for six weeks ...
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Post by davycrockett on Dec 31, 2023 13:46:52 GMT 1
I believe the management structure we have is our best opportunity to build a squad capable of sustained upper league 1/lower Championship over the next couple of seasons. Let's not throw it all away on a knee jerk reaction and resorting to the manager-go-round who all want to spend money getting their favoured players in. Our DOF and assistant coach have a long history of failing at lower league clubs and getting sacked by smaller clubs than us - I think Northwestman posted all the details the other day, it’s scary As for our Head Coach, not much to go by but he did a crap job at Walsall and has so far done the same here If you think this lot can get us in to the Championship, can I have some of what you’re smoking please? 😂 Our best chance is firstly getting some overdue investment in, and then getting an experienced manager in like last season Ahh but just what do you suggest we do right now? From your post ‘firstly getting some overdue investment in’ I’d agree but that’s not going to happen in the next month so all we can do is hope for a turn around, support the team as positively as possibly. Stay away fans don’t help, negative chants during the game don’t help, turn up in numbers and support the team does. Forcing the owners hand could well result in another Taylor / Ricketts Scenario or worse Moore and Bignot…. Anyone who’s bought a ticket for Wrexham and isn’t going to Fleetwood needs to think 🤔 |
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 31, 2023 13:49:10 GMT 1
Our DOF and assistant coach have a long history of failing at lower league clubs and getting sacked by smaller clubs than us - I think Northwestman posted all the details the other day, it’s scary As for our Head Coach, not much to go by but he did a crap job at Walsall and has so far done the same here If you think this lot can get us in to the Championship, can I have some of what you’re smoking please? 😂 Our best chance is firstly getting some overdue investment in, and then getting an experienced manager in like last season Ahh but just what do you suggest we do right now? From your post ‘firstly getting some overdue investment in’ I’d agree but that’s not going to happen in the next month so all we can do is hope for a turn around, support the team as positively as possibly. Stay away fans don’t help, negative chants during the game don’t help, turn up in numbers and support the team does. Forcing the owners hand could well result in another Taylor / Ricketts Scenario or worse Moore and Bignot…. Anyone who’s bought a ticket for Wrexham and isn’t going to Fleetwood needs to think 🤔 Sadly there isn’t an obvious easy answer with the time we have left, given the depth of the hole I feel RW has dug What I would say is, and there is no guarantee of a silver bullet, Cheltenham have really picked up since sacking their manager Whilst I don’t feel Taylor is the biggest problem here, he might be the only one (alongside Bignot hopefully) who can be changed to give us the best chance of staying up |
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Post by davycrockett on Dec 31, 2023 13:59:56 GMT 1
Ahh but just what do you suggest we do right now? From your post ‘firstly getting some overdue investment in’ I’d agree but that’s not going to happen in the next month so all we can do is hope for a turn around, support the team as positively as possibly. Stay away fans don’t help, negative chants during the game don’t help, turn up in numbers and support the team does. Forcing the owners hand could well result in another Taylor / Ricketts Scenario or worse Moore and Bignot…. Anyone who’s bought a ticket for Wrexham and isn’t going to Fleetwood needs to think 🤔 Sadly there isn’t an obvious easy answer with the time we have left, given the depth of the hole I feel RW has dug What I would say is, and there is no guarantee of a silver bullet, Cheltenham have really picked up since sacking their manager Whilst I don’t feel Taylor is the biggest problem here, he might be the only one (alongside Bignot hopefully) who can be changed to give us the best chance of staying up Change to a head coach who’s prepared to work under a DoF and could be worse that Taylor cos as you say I don’t think he’s the biggest problem. |
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 31, 2023 14:04:06 GMT 1
Sadly there isn’t an obvious easy answer with the time we have left, given the depth of the hole I feel RW has dug What I would say is, and there is no guarantee of a silver bullet, Cheltenham have really picked up since sacking their manager Whilst I don’t feel Taylor is the biggest problem here, he might be the only one (alongside Bignot hopefully) who can be changed to give us the best chance of staying up Change to a head coach who’s prepared to work under a DoF and could be worse that Taylor cos as you say I don’t think he’s the biggest problem. Agreed - we really are in a tricky situation, I know where that blame lies in my opinion |
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 31, 2023 15:18:12 GMT 1
I believe the management structure we have is our best opportunity to build a squad capable of sustained upper league 1/lower Championship over the next couple of seasons. Let's not throw it all away on a knee jerk reaction and resorting to the manager-go-round who all want to spend money getting their favoured players in. I presume this is a wind up for a couple of bites? If it's not I'm genuinely concerned for you. Imagine a world where potential managers set out their manifesto, fans voted, and then that was it for five years. Of course it doesn't work like that, RW owns the club and makes the decisions, but shouldn't a new management structure, such a huge change, be given a season or two? |
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Post by servernaside on Dec 31, 2023 15:24:21 GMT 1
I presume this is a wind up for a couple of bites? If it's not I'm genuinely concerned for you. Imagine a world where potential managers set out their manifesto, fans voted, and then that was it for five years. Of course it doesn't work like that, RW owns the club and makes the decisions, but shouldn't a new management structure, such a huge change, be given a season or two? The world you imagine sounds awfully like our democratic politics. Inept, clueless, zero strategy, lack of foresight and no wisdom. Sound familiar? |
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 31, 2023 15:31:09 GMT 1
I presume this is a wind up for a couple of bites? If it's not I'm genuinely concerned for you. Imagine a world where potential managers set out their manifesto, fans voted, and then that was it for five years. Of course it doesn't work like that, RW owns the club and makes the decisions, but shouldn't a new management structure, such a huge change, be given a season or two? Depends if it looks like things are improving or showing signs of improvement, I'd argue we're somehow looking worse week on week. Anyway, it's not the coach or manager that'll change things, the club is stagnant from the top down. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 15:35:07 GMT 1
There are three options:
- Rip up the new structure and return to a manager
- Retain the structure but make changes in personnel at DoF and/or head coach level
- Keep faith with Moore, Taylor and co
Number one will never happen again for as long as Roland remains imo, and it feels like Moore’s got his feet firmly under the table so the only likely change will be Taylor. And the question isn’t if, it’s when.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 15:47:31 GMT 1
Does anyone know who else was in the running for the head coach role, before it was offered to Taylor?
Was he actually the front runner from day one?
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 31, 2023 15:49:22 GMT 1
Imagine a world where potential managers set out their manifesto, fans voted, and then that was it for five years. Of course it doesn't work like that, RW owns the club and makes the decisions, but shouldn't a new management structure, such a huge change, be given a season or two? The world you imagine sounds awfully like our democratic politics. Inept, clueless, zero strategy, lack of foresight and no wisdom. Sound familiar? Fortunately that is not the way it works in football, but doesn't a huge shift in direction like our management changes deserve a little time to kick in and kick on? |
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Post by Pilch on Dec 31, 2023 15:56:46 GMT 1
Imagine a world where potential managers set out their manifesto, fans voted, and then that was it for five years. Of course it doesn't work like that, RW owns the club and makes the decisions, but shouldn't a new management structure, such a huge change, be given a season or two? The world you imagine sounds awfully like our democratic politics. Inept, clueless, zero strategy, lack of foresight and no wisdom. Sound familiar? and people think changing it will result in utopia, but in reality they soon realise they voted for a previous government who full of Inept, clueless, zero strategy, lack of foresight and no wisdom. rinse and repeat |
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Post by ProudSalopian on Dec 31, 2023 16:32:57 GMT 1
There are three options: - Rip up the new structure and return to a manager - Retain the structure but make changes in personnel at DoF and/or head coach level - Keep faith with Moore, Taylor and co Number one will never happen again for as long as Roland remains imo, and it feels like Moore’s got his feet firmly under the table so the only likely change will be Taylor. And the question isn’t if, it’s when. I don't see 1 happening any time soon but if things aren't going in the right direction (e.g relegation) and someone in the footballing world convinces Roland that he's got the wrong structure then he could go back to the 'old way'. I'd love to know who it was who told him that the DoF route was one we needed to go down in the first place. In the meantime, I think we will stick to the third option and Taylor will be given time. We know that the last 4 games have been awful but less than a month ago we were 11th, a win tomorrow and next week will give a very different look to things. But we know of course that's a very big if. I suspect Roland is thinking back to 12 months ago when we had a poor festive period and the natives were restless, he held his nerve and things turned around in January. That looks very unlikely based on recent performances, however anyone who was at the Fleetwood game on new years day did not see us winning the next 6 At the moment Moore looks untouchable but such is Roland's ability to fall out with people and change his mind, you wouldn't put money on Moore to be here in 12 months time. |
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Post by servernaside on Dec 31, 2023 16:43:52 GMT 1
The world you imagine sounds awfully like our democratic politics. Inept, clueless, zero strategy, lack of foresight and no wisdom. Sound familiar? Fortunately that is not the way it works in football, but doesn't a huge shift in direction like our management changes deserve a little time to kick in and kick on? Not sure about that. A flawed structure, or the inadequacy of those in key positions within the structure, will never provide a good outcome no matter how long it is in place. I appreciate that football these days demands instant results and individuals are not often given the luxury of time. I assume that the post-Cotterill structure now in place was in response to some alleged financial mis-management during that period. If that is the case, then surely the key question is; how on earth was the team manager allowed to spend a single penny without the exercise of due diligence and control by the chairman, directors, or CEO. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 31, 2023 17:41:34 GMT 1
Fortunately that is not the way it works in football, but doesn't a huge shift in direction like our management changes deserve a little time to kick in and kick on? Not sure about that. A flawed structure, or the inadequacy of those in key positions within the structure, will never provide a good outcome no matter how long it is in place. I appreciate that football these days demands instant results and individuals are not often given the luxury of time. I assume that the post-Cotterill structure now in place was in response to some alleged financial mis-management during that period. If that is the case, then surely the key question is; how on earth was the team manager allowed to spend a single penny without the exercise of due diligence and control by the chairman, directors, or CEO. The CEO was the one who walked first. Steve C appeared to be given a few days to decide if he wanted to work in the new way. Disadvantage of personal fiefdom ownership is we will probably never know if there was a personal thief, though that might have happened in any organisation, how many times do we see top execs bugger off quick before the whatnot hits the oojah. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 17:45:44 GMT 1
There are three options: - Rip up the new structure and return to a manager - Retain the structure but make changes in personnel at DoF and/or head coach level - Keep faith with Moore, Taylor and co Number one will never happen again for as long as Roland remains imo, and it feels like Moore’s got his feet firmly under the table so the only likely change will be Taylor. And the question isn’t if, it’s when. I wonder if another option would be to bring in an experienced number 2 to work alongside Taylor? That would mean replacing Bignot, something Moore may not be happy about. |
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Post by Pilch on Dec 31, 2023 17:46:34 GMT 1
Not sure about that. A flawed structure, or the inadequacy of those in key positions within the structure, will never provide a good outcome no matter how long it is in place. I appreciate that football these days demands instant results and individuals are not often given the luxury of time. I assume that the post-Cotterill structure now in place was in response to some alleged financial mis-management during that period. If that is the case, then surely the key question is; how on earth was the team manager allowed to spend a single penny without the exercise of due diligence and control by the chairman, directors, or CEO. The CEO was the one who walked first. Steve C appeared to be given a few days to decide if he wanted to work in the new way. Disadvantage of personal fiefdom ownership is we will probably never know if there was a personal thief, though that might have happened in any organisation, how many times do we see top execs bugger off quick before the whatnot hits the oojah. I believe cotterill went offline right after the final whistle last game of the season, and p**sed off to Dubai for a couple of weeks using the loyalty points he'd collected from personally booking posh hotels for the players on away days  |
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 31, 2023 17:48:44 GMT 1
There are three options: - Rip up the new structure and return to a manager - Retain the structure but make changes in personnel at DoF and/or head coach level - Keep faith with Moore, Taylor and co Number one will never happen again for as long as Roland remains imo, and it feels like Moore’s got his feet firmly under the table so the only likely change will be Taylor. And the question isn’t if, it’s when. I wonder if another option would be to bring in an experienced number 2 to work alongside Taylor? Which experienced number two would you suggest would want to work under a failed coach, who works under a failed DOF, who in turn works under a failed chairman? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 17:52:46 GMT 1
I wonder if another option would be to bring in an experienced number 2 to work alongside Taylor? Which experienced number two would you suggest would want to work under a failed coach, who works under a failed DOF, who in turn works under a failed chairman? I was just putting the option out there, a reasonable one I would say, to add to the ones already listed. |
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Post by vladimir on Dec 31, 2023 17:53:04 GMT 1
Does anyone know who else was in the running for the head coach role, before it was offered to Taylor? Was he actually the front runner from day one? Believe Moore said he wanted to interview an England youth coach but the FA denied permission. Highly doubt it was Carsley (a mate of Moores) so maybe Ian Foster or Simon Rusk. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Dec 31, 2023 17:55:07 GMT 1
There are three options: - Rip up the new structure and return to a manager - Retain the structure but make changes in personnel at DoF and/or head coach level - Keep faith with Moore, Taylor and co Number one will never happen again for as long as Roland remains imo, and it feels like Moore’s got his feet firmly under the table so the only likely change will be Taylor. And the question isn’t if, it’s when. I wonder if another option would be to bring in an experienced number 2 to work alongside Taylor? That would mean replacing Bignot, something Moore may not be happy about. How many more do we need? Weve surely got too many chiefs already. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Dec 31, 2023 17:55:35 GMT 1
There's one person who's desperate for a bite and has been for six weeks ... 😄😄😄 |
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 31, 2023 17:57:30 GMT 1
I wonder if another option would be to bring in an experienced number 2 to work alongside Taylor? Which experienced number two would you suggest would want to work under a failed coach, who works under a failed DOF, who in turn works under a failed chairman? A genuine No2, rhymes with ... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2023 17:58:31 GMT 1
I wonder if another option would be to bring in an experienced number 2 to work alongside Taylor? That would mean replacing Bignot, something Moore may not be happy about. How many more do we need? Weve surely got too many chiefs already. To replace Bignot and or Parrish. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 31, 2023 21:01:38 GMT 1
The CEO was the one who walked first. Steve C appeared to be given a few days to decide if he wanted to work in the new way. Disadvantage of personal fiefdom ownership is we will probably never know if there was a personal thief, though that might have happened in any organisation, how many times do we see top execs bugger off quick before the whatnot hits the oojah. I believe cotterill went offline right after the final whistle last game of the season, and p**sed off to Dubai for a couple of weeks using the loyalty points he'd collected from personally booking posh hotels for the players on away days Or alternatively, he jetted off to Dubai to try to secure a rich owner to finance his lavish spending? |
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Dec 31, 2023 21:17:05 GMT 1
Which experienced number two would you suggest would want to work under a failed coach, who works under a failed DOF, who in turn works under a failed chairman? A genuine No2, rhymes with ... smut |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 1, 2024 10:52:25 GMT 1
A genuine No2, rhymes with ... smut No, that doesn't rhyme silly. |
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Jan 1, 2024 11:23:50 GMT 1
No, that doesn't rhyme silly. 😂🤣 |
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