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Post by southshropblue on Dec 30, 2023 20:15:47 GMT 1
Against the dross served up this season, Cotterill has seemingly became a god-like figure in his absence. Do people not remember how tedious it was watching Town for the last couple of years save from a couple of purple patches of decent form? The biggest juxtaposition between this season and last was how good we were from set pieces. Leahy had a 100% penalty record, Dunkley had already bagged a few and we always looked dangerous from corners and free kicks. We were far more organised and resilient but the football was barely palatable at times. And we ended last season with one win in 10, including being smashed 6-0 by Charlton. People have short memories. You are right it was often tedious, but there was a plan, and it was competent for this division and we did win 6 on the bounce as well as fall badly at the end ,and we scored some goals .To me this is a much much worse watch and it needs to improve quickly The new set up is not working
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 30, 2023 20:22:48 GMT 1
Against the dross served up this season, Cotterill has seemingly became a god-like figure in his absence. Do people not remember how tedious it was watching Town for the last couple of years save from a couple of purple patches of decent form? Lots of people have acknowledged that the football under him was awful at times but as you said we were organised, resiliant and offered threats from set pieces. You can't say that about the current side so when you take them away, what are you left with? Personally I think the fact the fact some fans pine for the football that we witnessed under Cotterill, is an indicator of how bad this season has been at times. Completely agree, and in those early home games we weren’t great and rode our luck at times, but there was some cause for optimism as we certainly tried to play a bit more football, but that’s been completely eroded now. Yesterday we only made 130 passes out of 301 attempted and at Cheltenham we only made 150 out of 283 attempts. Compare that to the home games right at the start of the season and against Cheltenham we completed 311 passes out of 452, and against Burton we completed 231 out of 361. Even allowing for expecting to have more of the play at home, the difference from a work in progress August to now is staggering. And before anyone says injuries, the XI that played the first game of the season against Cheltenham was Marosi, Feeney, Flanagan, Anderson, Winchester, Perry, Kenneh, Bayliss, Shipley, Bowman, Udoh.
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 30, 2023 20:32:41 GMT 1
Against the dross served up this season, Cotterill has seemingly became a god-like figure in his absence. Do people not remember how tedious it was watching Town for the last couple of years save from a couple of purple patches of decent form? The biggest juxtaposition between this season and last was how good we were from set pieces. Leahy had a 100% penalty record, Dunkley had already bagged a few and we always looked dangerous from corners and free kicks. We were far more organised and resilient but the football was barely palatable at times. And we ended last season with one win in 10, including being smashed 6-0 by Charlton. People have short memories. Totally disagree - it’s acknowledged on here most days how poor most of the football in the last 3 years under Steve This season however, is a new low of disgusting disorganised diabolical hoofball
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Post by Pilch on Dec 30, 2023 20:48:51 GMT 1
Against the dross served up this season, Cotterill has seemingly became a god-like figure in his absence. Do people not remember how tedious it was watching Town for the last couple of years save from a couple of purple patches of decent form? The biggest juxtaposition between this season and last was how good we were from set pieces. Leahy had a 100% penalty record, Dunkley had already bagged a few and we always looked dangerous from corners and free kicks. We were far more organised and resilient but the football was barely palatable at times. And we ended last season with one win in 10, including being smashed 6-0 by Charlton. People have short memories. Totally disagree - it’s acknowledged on here most days how poor most of the football in the last 3 years under Steve This season however, is a new low of disgusting disorganised diabolical hoofball Has it ever been acknowledged by yourself ? Genuine question , let's see if you actually answer it
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Post by Pilch on Dec 30, 2023 22:31:14 GMT 1
I just want to make a plea to the fans to not nail Taylor. Yes, he isn't covering himself in glory, but he's merely a puppet in this nonsense circus that Roland has caused and setup. Time and time again Roland has made woeful appointments, fell out with senior people and had the wool pulled over his eyes. For a "safe pair of hands", he's risked the future of the club time and time again. Starting with Fleetwood at home, leave the puppet alone to play with his strings, and direct your anger at one person, and one person only - Roland Wycherley. Roland - I'll never forgive you for what you've done to my club. Your credit in the bank has completely dried up, LEAVE NOW. its his club, not yours, which part of the club that you no longer watch do you think is yours ?
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Post by vladimir on Dec 30, 2023 23:15:37 GMT 1
I just want to make a plea to the fans to not nail Taylor. Yes, he isn't covering himself in glory, but he's merely a puppet in this nonsense circus that Roland has caused and setup. Time and time again Roland has made woeful appointments, fell out with senior people and had the wool pulled over his eyes. For a "safe pair of hands", he's risked the future of the club time and time again. Starting with Fleetwood at home, leave the puppet alone to play with his strings, and direct your anger at one person, and one person only - Roland Wycherley. Roland - I'll never forgive you for what you've done to my club. Your credit in the bank has completely dried up, LEAVE NOW. its his club, not yours, which part of the club that you no longer watch do you think is yours ? I'm sure he can enjoy it then with dwindling support in a lower division, which looks to be the current trajectory.
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Post by gobowenshrew on Dec 30, 2023 23:20:18 GMT 1
I just want to make a plea to the fans to not nail Taylor. Yes, he isn't covering himself in glory, but he's merely a puppet in this nonsense circus that Roland has caused and setup. Time and time again Roland has made woeful appointments, fell out with senior people and had the wool pulled over his eyes. For a "safe pair of hands", he's risked the future of the club time and time again. Starting with Fleetwood at home, leave the puppet alone to play with his strings, and direct your anger at one person, and one person only - Roland Wycherley. Roland - I'll never forgive you for what you've done to my club. Your credit in the bank has completely dried up, LEAVE NOW. its his club, not yours, which part of the club that you no longer watch do you think is yours ? Isn't his club Newcastle anyway?
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Post by belfastshrew on Dec 30, 2023 23:20:25 GMT 1
No fans = no club. Regardless of owner.
Fans dont have to goto games to support a club. Simples.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 30, 2023 23:21:11 GMT 1
its his club, not yours, which part of the club that you no longer watch do you think is yours ? I'm sure he can enjoy it then with dwindling support in a lower division, which looks to be the current trajectory. apparently rickets was taking us down in 2018, 2019 & 2020
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Post by Pilch on Dec 30, 2023 23:24:46 GMT 1
No fans = no club. Regardless of owner. Fans dont have to goto games to support a club. Simples. do you actually condone all the comments they guy im on about is posting, let me know
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Dec 30, 2023 23:26:03 GMT 1
I don’t agree with Pilch, the club may be legally owned by RW but morally it belongs to the community and has done for over 130 years.
No one goes to the Meadow to support the board.
I don’t have time to research this now, but aren’t football clubs classed as ‘community assets’ in order to prevent another MK Dons situation?
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 30, 2023 23:29:21 GMT 1
I don’t agree with Pilch, the club may be legally owned by RW but morally it belongs to the community and has done for over 130 years. No one goes to the Meadow to support the board. I don’t have time to research this now, but aren’t football clubs classed as ‘community assets’ in order to prevent another MK Dons situation? I was about to say this, but you’ve hit the nail on the head perfectly
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Post by belfastshrew on Dec 30, 2023 23:34:15 GMT 1
No fans = no club. Regardless of owner. Fans dont have to goto games to support a club. Simples. do you actually condone all the comments they guy im on about is posting, let me know It's that balance between censorship and free-speech my friend!
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Post by Pilch on Dec 30, 2023 23:39:06 GMT 1
I don’t agree with Pilch, the club may be legally owned by RW but morally it belongs to the community and has done for over 130 years. No one goes to the Meadow to support the board. I don’t have time to research this now, but aren’t football clubs classed as ‘community assets’ in order to prevent another MK Dons situation? but you have agreed with me, you've also stated the club belongs to RW and not martinshrew I drive a mini , love it in fact, does that make me an owner of BMW ? im just watching match of the day, I have a season ticket to the bbc, my bbc imagine if I didn't even have a licence , and still watched it, claiming it was mine
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Post by Pilch on Dec 30, 2023 23:40:04 GMT 1
do you actually condone all the comments they guy im on about is posting, let me know It's that balance between censorship and free-speech my friend! tell me more about what free speech is, ive never known how that works , it certainly doesnt happen on here, every day someone tries to have something ive posted removed
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Post by belfastshrew on Dec 30, 2023 23:45:37 GMT 1
It's that balance between censorship and free-speech my friend! tell me more about what free speech is, ive never known how that works , it certainly doesnt happen on here, every day someone tries to have something ive posted removed Maybe because if you weren't a mod yourself, one or two of your posts would have been censored down the years 🤭
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 30, 2023 23:56:27 GMT 1
The day the club only exists to satisfy the whims of its owner is the day I walk away from good. If football was a solely transactional business and we were merely customers, we’d be playing in front of double figures.
However the attitude from the top is that we switch between being customers or supporters based on whatever suits the club at the time.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 31, 2023 0:04:35 GMT 1
tell me more about what free speech is, ive never known how that works , it certainly doesnt happen on here, every day someone tries to have something ive posted removed Maybe because if you weren't a mod yourself, one or two of your posts would have been censored down the years 🤭 my posts have been censored more than anyone else on this forum thanks, I've always accepted it every time they have maybe we can get back to topic, as far as im concerned someone had made false claims and I would like to offer him his own advice which is as follows the irony is brilliant given the unsubstantiated s**te you’ve stirred this year without having a shread of factual evidence
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Dec 31, 2023 0:22:01 GMT 1
I don’t agree with Pilch, the club may be legally owned by RW but morally it belongs to the community and has done for over 130 years. No one goes to the Meadow to support the board. I don’t have time to research this now, but aren’t football clubs classed as ‘community assets’ in order to prevent another MK Dons situation? but you have agreed with me, you've also stated the club belongs to RW and not martinshrew I drive a mini , love it in fact, does that make me an owner of BMW ? im just watching match of the day, I have a season ticket to the bbc, my bbc imagine if I didn't even have a licence , and still watched it, claiming it was mine It takes some brass neck to state that I agree with you and the specious arguments you use do you no credit. Anyway, I look forward to the team being renamed Wycherley F C and seeing how many turn up to watch them.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 31, 2023 0:25:23 GMT 1
but you have agreed with me, you've also stated the club belongs to RW and not martinshrew I drive a mini , love it in fact, does that make me an owner of BMW ? im just watching match of the day, I have a season ticket to the bbc, my bbc imagine if I didn't even have a licence , and still watched it, claiming it was mine It takes some brass neck to state that I agree with you and the specious arguments you use do you no credit. Anyway, I look forward to the team being renamed Wycherley F C and seeing how many turn up to watch them. if I moaned 24/7 about my mini, and constantly slagged off the owner of mini suggesting he needs to change things I reckon at some point you'd ask me wtf I have a mini
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Dec 31, 2023 9:37:13 GMT 1
I agree with Martinshrew that the blame should rest with Roland Wycherley at the helm of our club. He has failed to sell the club on a number of occasions ensuring the future iss secure for the club
Roland seems more interested in squeezing every last penny out of potential investors and has alienated many a Shropshire businessman.If current rumours are correct with potential £m's available to invest in the club then Roland should consider club over personal gain.
I prefer the likes of Daraagh Macathony at Peterborough who on his podcast declared after buying shares to make him again the majority shareholder that he would step aside if billionaires came forward wanting to buy the club.
He said he would happily become honorary chairman or life president to ensure the future of Peterborough.
When he bought the shares he publicly stated. "My job as chairman of the club is to ensure we live within our means, reduce our debts in a sensible and sustainable manner whilst at the same time having a competitive team that goes out every week to put smiles on our faces with what they deliver on the pitch."
Imagine having a chairman who.wants to engage with the fans.
Imagine our club having new owners with the financial means to drive us into the championship
Imagine a team where from the top the attitude is they play to entertain and put smiles back on the fans.
Dmac, as he is known talks on his podcast the hard truth about all the issues of debt they are dealing with which he has restructured. He has his faults including 25m in debt but seems to have only the future at the forefront of his thinking. This debt will reduce dramaticallywith Ivan Tonet sell on clause.
Roland, in my opinion, has failed consistently to ensure the future of our club. It is not enough to just exist in league one and fail to achieve more. If he wants to ensure a legacy now is the time to sell.
Supporters can recognise all the good things he has done but RW should stop procrastinating and sell asap and sit back say as Honorary chairman.
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 31, 2023 10:40:48 GMT 1
I don’t agree with Pilch, the club may be legally owned by RW but morally it belongs to the community and has done for over 130 years. No one goes to the Meadow to support the board. I don’t have time to research this now, but aren’t football clubs classed as ‘community assets’ in order to prevent another MK Dons situation? If not, they should be, "owners" may legally own the bricks & tarmac but we as fans morally own the "club". Unlike others, I'm not here to put down others fans and state some fans are more than others. Some have gone for years and no longer can due to a variety of reasons, they're still very much equal fans, there's no "superior" fan. It's dangerous to throw around narratives that some fans are lesser fans than others, you don't know their personal circumstances that are likely wide ranging.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 31, 2023 11:26:02 GMT 1
I agree with Martinshrew that the blame should rest with Roland Wycherley at the helm of our club. He has failed to sell the club on a number of occasions ensuring the future iss secure for the club Roland seems more interested in squeezing every last penny out of potential investors and has alienated many a Shropshire businessman.If current rumours are correct with potential £m's available to invest in the club then Roland should consider club over personal gain. I prefer the likes of Daraagh Macathony at Peterborough who on his podcast declared after buying shares to make him again the majority shareholder that he would step aside if billionaires came forward wanting to buy the club. He said he would happily become honorary chairman or life president to ensure the future of Peterborough. When he bought the shares he publicly stated. "My job as chairman of the club is to ensure we live within our means, reduce our debts in a sensible and sustainable manner whilst at the same time having a competitive team that goes out every week to put smiles on our faces with what they deliver on the pitch." Imagine having a chairman who.wants to engage with the fans. Imagine our club having new owners with the financial means to drive us into the championship Imagine a team where from the top the attitude is they play to entertain and put smiles back on the fans. Dmac, as he is known talks on his podcast the hard truth about all the issues of debt they are dealing with which he has restructured. He has his faults including 25m in debt but seems to have only the future at the forefront of his thinking. This debt will reduce dramaticallywith Ivan Tonet sell on clause. Roland, in my opinion, has failed consistently to ensure the future of our club. It is not enough to just exist in league one and fail to achieve more. If he wants to ensure a legacy now is the time to sell. Supporters can recognise all the good things he has done but RW should stop procrastinating and sell asap and sit back say as Honorary chairman. for the last 2 seasons, one man and one man only has been blamed for the signing of a certain Pyke, and that man was the manager along comes another guy who literally breaks the bank with his actions and a few even worse signings ( ok and some much better ) but again one man and one man only seems to have been blamed, and this time that man was not the manager and yet some fans even sang about that manager on friday ? are they the 'fans' some described as the 'vocal angry' ? as far as im concerned the 'vocal angry' change their principles to suit their argument maybe we could call them 'detrimental supporters'
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 31, 2023 12:27:23 GMT 1
I don’t agree with Pilch, the club may be legally owned by RW but morally it belongs to the community and has done for over 130 years. No one goes to the Meadow to support the board. I don’t have time to research this now, but aren’t football clubs classed as ‘community assets’ in order to prevent another MK Dons situation? Unlike others, I'm not here to put down others fans and state some fans are more than others. Some have gone for years and no longer can due to a variety of reasons, they're still very much equal fans, there's no "superior" fan. It's dangerous to throw around narratives that some fans are lesser fans than others, you don't know their personal circumstances that are likely wide ranging. Reiterating this point again, we don't know other fans circumstances. Armchairfan for example can't attend in person anymore, he is no less a fan than someone who attends every game. We're all supporters in various ways, no more or less than anyone else.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 31, 2023 12:36:49 GMT 1
Unlike others, I'm not here to put down others fans and state some fans are more than others. Some have gone for years and no longer can due to a variety of reasons, they're still very much equal fans, there's no "superior" fan. It's dangerous to throw around narratives that some fans are lesser fans than others, you don't know their personal circumstances that are likely wide ranging. Reiterating this point again, we don't know other fans circumstances. Armchairfan for example can't attend in person anymore, he is no less a fan than someone who attends every game. We're all supporters in various ways, no more or less than anyone else. but he knows fans are not being toxic at the game, he listens to the commentary on radio Shropshire
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Post by davycrockett on Dec 31, 2023 12:47:36 GMT 1
Reiterating this point again, we don't know other fans circumstances. Armchairfan for example can't attend in person anymore, he is no less a fan than someone who attends every game. We're all supporters in various ways, no more or less than anyone else. but he knows fans are not being toxic at the game, he listens to the commentary on radio Shropshire But they are and its building….. Problem is there’s various opinions, Taylor out, Moore out, Wycherley out, then there’s the mischievous ‘don’t know what your doing’ and ‘Steve Cotterills barmy army’ types oh and the I was right months ago types. Theres no denying the fan base is split but I’d say the majority want a change for the better on the pitch. That might just happen naturally in the next 3 games all at home 🤞🤞🤞
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Post by tarporleyblue on Dec 31, 2023 12:49:44 GMT 1
We get a good result tomorrow and next Saturday and suddenly things will start looking much rosier...
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 31, 2023 13:01:54 GMT 1
I believe the management structure we have is our best opportunity to build a squad capable of sustained upper league 1/lower Championship over the next couple of seasons. Let's not throw it all away on a knee jerk reaction and resorting to the manager-go-round who all want to spend money getting their favoured players in.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 31, 2023 13:17:51 GMT 1
but he knows fans are not being toxic at the game, he listens to the commentary on radio Shropshire But they are and its building….. Problem is there’s various opinions, Taylor out, Moore out, Wycherley out, then there’s the mischievous ‘don’t know what your doing’ and ‘Steve Cotterills barmy army’ types oh and the I was right months ago types. Theres no denying the fan base is split but I’d say the majority want a change for the better on the pitch. That might just happen naturally in the next 3 games all at home 🤞🤞🤞 100%, I just get annoyed by fans who dont go that think this isn't going on and lecture anyone who dares to suggest it is, my experience of the Burton game was marred by someone who was negative for 90 minutes, if the players could hear this it certainly wasnt motivating them, much the opposite
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 31, 2023 13:23:19 GMT 1
I believe the management structure we have is our best opportunity to build a squad capable of sustained upper league 1/lower Championship over the next couple of seasons. Let's not throw it all away on a knee jerk reaction and resorting to the manager-go-round who all want to spend money getting their favoured players in. Our DOF and assistant coach have a long history of failing at lower league clubs and getting sacked by smaller clubs than us - I think Northwestman posted all the details the other day, it’s scary As for our Head Coach, not much to go by but he did a crap job at Walsall and has so far done the same here If you think this lot can get us in to the Championship, can I have some of what you’re smoking please? 😂 Our best chance is firstly getting some overdue investment in, and then getting an experienced manager in like last season
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