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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 28, 2024 12:47:22 GMT 1
It is a mess and and it is heartbreaking to see the suffering, one group who seem overlooked in this conflict is that at one time Gaza had a thriving Christian community it's numbers now are down to a few thousand, Palestinian Christians were also forcibly removed from there homes by the Israeli army in the fourtys.
I wish I could see a resolution to this but you would need to have the wisdom of Solomon to find a peaceful solution,
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 28, 2024 13:37:58 GMT 1
It is a mess and and it is heartbreaking to see the suffering, one group who seem overlooked in this conflict is that at one time Gaza had a thriving Christian community it's numbers now are down to a few thousand, Palestinian Christians were also forcibly removed from there homes by the Israeli army in the fourtys. I wish I could see a resolution to this but you would need to have the wisdom of Solomon to find a peaceful solution, Easter celebrations will bring little if any comfort to those many Christians.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 28, 2024 15:40:55 GMT 1
It is a mess and and it is heartbreaking to see the suffering, one group who seem overlooked in this conflict is that at one time Gaza had a thriving Christian community it's numbers now are down to a few thousand, Palestinian Christians were also forcibly removed from there homes by the Israeli army in the fourtys. I wish I could see a resolution to this but you would need to have the wisdom of Solomon to find a peaceful solution, An Israeli government that the advice of it's long term allies would be a start.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 29, 2024 13:43:55 GMT 1
It is a mess and and it is heartbreaking to see the suffering, one group who seem overlooked in this conflict is that at one time Gaza had a thriving Christian community it's numbers now are down to a few thousand, Palestinian Christians were also forcibly removed from there homes by the Israeli army in the fourtys. I wish I could see a resolution to this but you would need to have the wisdom of Solomon to find a peaceful solution, Easter celebrations will bring little if any comfort to those many Christians. Easter celebrations will bring little if any comfort to all the innocent civilians, including many children, over there. We should bear that in mind when scoffing Easter eggs this Sunday.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 29, 2024 14:16:22 GMT 1
Easter celebrations will bring little if any comfort to those many Christians. Easter celebrations will bring little if any comfort to all the innocent civilians, including many children, over there. We should bear that in mind when scoffing Easter eggs this Sunday.
Our thoughts will be with them all at this afternoon's Good Friday mass.
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Post by neilsalop on Mar 30, 2024 18:02:20 GMT 1
Easter celebrations will bring little if any comfort to all the innocent civilians, including many children, over there. We should bear that in mind when scoffing Easter eggs this Sunday.
Our thoughts will be with them all at this afternoon's Good Friday mass.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 30, 2024 18:12:29 GMT 1
Our thoughts will be with them all at this afternoon's Good Friday mass. What I find really sad is that I expected you to post such a reply. You just couldn't let it go could you? I and many others will still offer our thoughts and prayers at Easter Sunday Mass tomorrow and our retiring collection will again be for the children of Gazza.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 30, 2024 18:18:02 GMT 1
Our thoughts will be with them all at this afternoon's Good Friday mass. Neil, this is the kind of post you'd have done your nut with had the likes of myself posted it, maybe have a re think and delete it, and I'll conveniently delete my reply for you too
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Post by neilsalop on Mar 30, 2024 20:33:36 GMT 1
What I find really sad is that I expected you to post such a reply. You just couldn't let it go could you? I and many others will still offer our thoughts and prayers at Easter Sunday Mass tomorrow and our retiring collection will again be for the children of Gazza. I'm sorry, but when you have half of this board which is a pretty accurate cross section of Shropshire, still supporting the slaughter if innocents in Gaza and will claim that anyone who has the audacity to criticise Israel is a raging anti-Semite or Hamas apologist then your thoughts and prayers are not going to cut it.
It's time people started to boycott Israeli products and companies and those companies supplying the IDF.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 30, 2024 20:39:06 GMT 1
as I hinted, the anchor is hovering, I've made the mistake many times of posting a meme on a thread that some people didn't see in the slightest bit as funny as I thought it might be, and ive done the right thing as move it, but when its on a thread about a war then it doesnt really need debating does it ?
I thought you were better than that, if you want this as something I can use as a benchmark against you in future so be it
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 30, 2024 20:57:44 GMT 1
“Mainly peaceful” protests in London again today
Long for the day this is clamped down on like a ton of bricks
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Post by neilsalop on Mar 30, 2024 21:16:51 GMT 1
“Mainly peaceful” protests in London again today Long for the day this is clamped down on like a ton of bricks I'd say they are more peaceful than the IDF.
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Mar 30, 2024 22:06:34 GMT 1
What I find really sad is that I expected you to post such a reply. You just couldn't let it go could you? I and many others will still offer our thoughts and prayers at Easter Sunday Mass tomorrow and our retiring collection will again be for the children of Gazza. i think Gazza's children are fully grown and can look after themselves now.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 30, 2024 23:36:23 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/30/uk-government-lawyers-say-israel-is-breaking-international-law-claims-top-tory-in-leaked-recordingThe British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer. The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue. On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean. “I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.” The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay. Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to.
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Post by jamo on Mar 30, 2024 23:46:28 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/30/uk-government-lawyers-say-israel-is-breaking-international-law-claims-top-tory-in-leaked-recordingThe British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer. The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue. On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean. “I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.” The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay. Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to. Interesting article. Can’t see this government making any decision that would acknowledge its contents but further evidence of how tied into the Israeli state they are.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 31, 2024 9:24:43 GMT 1
“Mainly peaceful” protests in London again today I'm sure it was for the main part however, I think its been pretty clear since October 8th that, from what we have seen and heard, these marches and protests are not just a call for peace but a rally for anti-Semites and those who wish to see the state of Israel wiped off the map (and all that would entail, as seen on October 7th). That its reported that you have swastika's on display, "long live Hamas", "Bye-bye Israel" and "It’s the Jewish people that control Britain" heard its pretty clear what this is about for a good many... Protesters surround police van after terror suspect arrested at pro-Gaza march in London
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 31, 2024 9:49:31 GMT 1
as I hinted, the anchor is hovering, I've made the mistake many times of posting a meme on a thread that some people didn't see in the slightest bit as funny as I thought it might be, and ive done the right thing as move it, but when its on a thread about a war then it doesnt really need debating does it ? I thought you were better than that, if you want this as something I can use as a benchmark against you in future so be it Why would you anchor this thread? Because of one or two inappropriate posts (I gather from one particular poster)? I appreciate its time and effort to moderate but why should those of us who wish to have a reasonable discussion about this have that removed because of someone who is unable to do so? I do my best to avoid what one or two others post on here, that helps. That they are then able to stop the rest of us having reasonable discussions about certain topics seems a little OTT. Please just remove the posts if they need to be and leave the rest of us to contribute and continue the discussion.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 31, 2024 10:05:05 GMT 1
Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to. What to do. You do not wish to send arms to Israel if they are to be used for anything other than to defend itself but then you do not wish to see Israel unarmed and defenseless because we know there are those who would, given the chance, wipe Israel off the map. And you would think any suspension would embolden those who wish to do so. Israel needs support, I do not think its an exaggeration to say its very existence depends on it. Perhaps there is more to it of course, perhaps looking to what is provided for example and of course I suspect any suspension could and probably would be temporary but for me this is yet another conundrum of this mess of a conflict. But certainly a story to look out for that.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 31, 2024 10:33:23 GMT 1
A quick scan of the most recent comments on this board (some now deleted) demonstrates that the removal of this thread to the Politics Board is long overdue.
Come on moderators, do your job.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 31, 2024 10:37:42 GMT 1
A quick scan of the most recent comments on this board (some now deleted) demonstrates that the removal of this thread to the Politics Board is long overdue. Come on moderators, do your job. Again if other posters agree like Severnsides post.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 31, 2024 13:43:10 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/31/israeli-protesters-call-benjamin-netanyahu-removalThousands of people across Israel have joined families of hostages to protest against the government and call for the removal of Benjamin Netanyahu, as the Israeli prime minister grapples with one of the most serious threats yet to his coalition. The protesters in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa, Be’er Sheva, Caesarea and other cities on Saturday demanded the release of those still held captive in Gaza and labelled the PM as an “obstacle to the deal”, vowing to persist until he is ousted from office. Of course, you won't be hearing much about this from MSM.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 31, 2024 13:56:18 GMT 1
Our thoughts will be with them all at this afternoon's Good Friday mass. We all do what little we can to work for a better outcome, I think you said you did too in your own way?
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 31, 2024 14:00:01 GMT 1
A quick scan of the most recent comments on this board (some now deleted) demonstrates that the removal of this thread to the Politics Board is long overdue. Come on moderators, do your job. You can switch it to the politics sub board yourself, post something controversial on there and the replies will be on there.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 31, 2024 14:04:04 GMT 1
as I hinted, the anchor is hovering, I've made the mistake many times of posting a meme on a thread that some people didn't see in the slightest bit as funny as I thought it might be, and ive done the right thing as move it, but when its on a thread about a war then it doesnt really need debating does it ? I thought you were better than that, if you want this as something I can use as a benchmark against you in future so be it Why would you anchor this thread? Because of one or two inappropriate posts (I gather from one particular poster)? I appreciate its time and effort to moderate but why should those of us who wish to have a reasonable discussion about this have that removed because of someone who is unable to do so? I do my best to avoid what one or two others post on here, that helps. That they are then able to stop the rest of us having reasonable discussions about certain topics seems a little OTT. Please just remove the posts if they need to be and leave the rest of us to contribute and continue the discussion. Spot on!
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 31, 2024 14:06:31 GMT 1
We all do what little we can to work for a better outcome, I think you said you did too in your own way? Yes, like many others.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 31, 2024 15:21:46 GMT 1
Perhaps the moderators would care to explain why the Politics Board exists.
I accept that I have commented on various issues which have appeared on the main board, but have always felt that overtly political issues, no matter how topical, should be restricted to the Politics Board where members can post, read and / or respond as they see fit.
This is after all an STFC FOOTBALL website and the Main Board should therefore concentrate on football, sporting and occasional local matters. It should avoid any political issues.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 31, 2024 15:48:01 GMT 1
Perhaps the moderators would care to explain why the Politics Board exists. I accept that I have commented on various issues which have appeared on the main board, but have always felt that overtly political issues, no matter how topical, should be restricted to the Politics Board where members can post, read and / or respond as they see fit. This is after all an STFC FOOTBALL website and the Main Board should therefore concentrate on football, sporting and occasional local matters. It should avoid any political issues. You've answered your own question in the final paragraph. The political sub board was created for that very reason. As mentioned previously, if the consensus of the board is that this subject should also be moved to its own sub board then that can be arranged. At the end of the day this board belongs to one and all, the mods are just part of that number.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 31, 2024 18:46:00 GMT 1
Perhaps the moderators would care to explain why the Politics Board exists. I accept that I have commented on various issues which have appeared on the main board, but have always felt that overtly political issues, no matter how topical, should be restricted to the Politics Board where members can post, read and / or respond as they see fit. This is after all an STFC FOOTBALL website and the Main Board should therefore concentrate on football, sporting and occasional local matters. It should avoid any political issues. You've answered your own question in the final paragraph. The political sub board was created for that very reason. As mentioned previously, if the consensus of the board is that this subject should also be moved to its own sub board then that can be arranged. At the end of the day this board belongs to one and all, the mods are just part of that number. How do you propose obtaining a consensus one way, or the other?
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 31, 2024 19:09:36 GMT 1
Perhaps the moderators would care to explain why the Politics Board exists. I accept that I have commented on various issues which have appeared on the main board, but have always felt that overtly political issues, no matter how topical, should be restricted to the Politics Board where members can post, read and / or respond as they see fit. This is after all an STFC FOOTBALL website and the Main Board should therefore concentrate on football, sporting and occasional local matters. It should avoid any political issues. You have the power to post this on the politics board. Have you done so?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 31, 2024 19:11:03 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/30/uk-government-lawyers-say-israel-is-breaking-international-law-claims-top-tory-in-leaked-recordingThe British government has received advice from its own lawyers stating that Israel has breached international humanitarian law in Gaza but has failed to make it public, according to a leaked recording obtained by the Observer. The comments, made by the Conservative chair of the House of Commons select committee on foreign affairs, Alicia Kearns, at a Tory fundraising event on 13 March are at odds with repeated ministerial denials and evasion on the issue. On Saturday night, Kearns, a former Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence official, who has repeatedly pressed ministers, including foreign secretary David Cameron, on the legal advice they have received, stood by her comments and called for the government to come clean. “I remain convinced the government has completed its updated assessment on whether Israel is demonstrating a commitment to international humanitarian law, and that it has concluded that Israel is not demonstrating this commitment, which is the legal determination it has to make,” she said. “Transparency at this point is paramount, not least to uphold the international rules-based order.” The revelation will place Lord Cameron and prime minister Rishi Sunak under intense pressure because any such legal advice would mean the UK had to cease all arms sales to Israel without delay. Legal experts said that not to do so would risk putting the UK in breach of international law itself, as it would be seen as aiding and abetting war crimes by a country it was exporting arms to. I'm not sure you can push against the MSM and quote the Guardian. It's literally written in Labour HQ. I get quite twitchy now when anyone even uses the expression MSM. It's called a free press and is a hallmark of an open democracy. The kind of people eroding trust in the mainstream media are Donald Trump and Russell Brand. I certainly don't believe everything I read in the media. I recognise it can be unduly influenced. But it's still a brilliant thing. *Sorry I just realised I quoted your previous post not the MSM one
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