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Post by martinshrew on Oct 18, 2023 9:31:02 GMT 1
Regardless of your opinion on the conflict, I feel like Mainz05 could be on a sticky wicket here.
The fella literally just stated "Free Palestine", nothing more or less which I think anyone with a heart can be on board with. I think the lack of education comes from people not separating Palestinians who are suffering, and Hamas which is a prescribed terrorist organisation.
The comments on that feed are 99% pro Palestine. Interesting one, it's a complete and utter mess all round.
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 18, 2023 10:09:59 GMT 1
Everything is a tragic mess at the moment and very very worrying indeed.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 18, 2023 10:13:33 GMT 1
Regardless of your opinion on the conflict, I feel like Mainz05 could be on a sticky wicket here. The fella literally just stated "Free Palestine", nothing more or less which I think anyone with a heart can be on board with. I think the lack of education comes from people not separating Palestinians who are suffering, and Hamas which is a prescribed terrorist organisation. The comments on that feed are 99% pro Palestine. Interesting one, it's a complete and utter mess all round. I would guess they ( players , staff ) have been told to keep out of this at all costs , it only takes one idiot to act on his tweet and target the club as revenge |
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 18, 2023 10:14:57 GMT 1
Or anyone else for that matter.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 18, 2023 10:35:03 GMT 1
Regardless of your opinion on the conflict, I feel like Mainz05 could be on a sticky wicket here. The fella literally just stated "Free Palestine", nothing more or less which I think anyone with a heart can be on board with. I think the lack of education comes from people not separating Palestinians who are suffering, and Hamas which is a prescribed terrorist organisation. The comments on that feed are 99% pro Palestine. Interesting one, it's a complete and utter mess all round. I would guess they ( players , staff ) have been told to keep out of this at all costs , it only takes one idiot to act on his tweet and target the club as revenge I guess the problem with that and that others have stated is that they went overboard supporting Ukraine, lighting up their ground, handing out flyers, banners, flags, everything. Yet one guy shows support simply for freeing what he perceived innocent people and he's banned. I guess where do they draw the line, what's the difference here? Footballers, clubs and associations for me should never have got involved in anything other than playing football, that's where it's all gone wrong. |
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Post by gtismygod on Oct 18, 2023 11:04:19 GMT 1
Regardless of your opinion on the conflict, I feel like Mainz05 could be on a sticky wicket here. The fella literally just stated "Free Palestine", nothing more or less which I think anyone with a heart can be on board with. I think the lack of education comes from people not separating Palestinians who are suffering, and Hamas which is a prescribed terrorist organisation. The comments on that feed are 99% pro Palestine. Interesting one, it's a complete and utter mess all round. It was actually quite a lengthy tweet from El Ghazi - much more than simply “Free Palestine”. He added the line “from the river to the sea”, a sentence which some believe to be anti-Semitic. The sentence is actually deemed to be illegal hate-speech in Germany. This is likely the reason why he has been suspended. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 18, 2023 13:30:25 GMT 1
I would guess they ( players , staff ) have been told to keep out of this at all costs , it only takes one idiot to act on his tweet and target the club as revenge I guess the problem with that and that others have stated is that they went overboard supporting Ukraine, lighting up their ground, handing out flyers, banners, flags, everything. Yet one guy shows support simply for freeing what he perceived innocent people and he's banned. I guess where do they draw the line, what's the difference here? Footballers, clubs and associations for me should never have got involved in anything other than playing football, that's where it's all gone wrong. Bit like idiots at football grounds Safety in numbers a loner on the other hand is swiftly dealt with |
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Oct 18, 2023 14:13:01 GMT 1
It's a horrible state of affairs but I'm not surprised in the slightest that Israel are hell bent on eradicating Hamas.
This has been a concurrent thing for as long as I can remember.i'm old enough to remember the Black September attack at the Munich Olympics and the yom Kippur war. And Israel came out on top eventually from both those events.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 18, 2023 17:29:43 GMT 1
Regardless of your opinion on the conflict, I feel like Mainz05 could be on a sticky wicket here. The fella literally just stated "Free Palestine", nothing more or less which I think anyone with a heart can be on board with. I think the lack of education comes from people not separating Palestinians who are suffering, and Hamas which is a prescribed terrorist organisation. The comments on that feed are 99% pro Palestine. Interesting one, it's a complete and utter mess all round. He added the line “from the river to the sea”. I'm sure it would have been for that rather than for just “Free Palestine”, as I'm sure most can appreciate things are a little more delicate around this topic here in Germany. |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 18, 2023 18:31:07 GMT 1
Israel’s foreign minister, Eli Cohen, hinted that Israel may annex part of Gaza in a radio interview on Wednesday.
Cohen was reported by the Times of Israel as saying:
At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, but the territory of Gaza will also decrease.
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Oct 18, 2023 19:42:07 GMT 1
Latest news is that the hospital that was destroyed yesterday may have been hit by a misfired Hamas rocket
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Post by belfastshrew on Oct 18, 2023 19:58:06 GMT 1
There will be misinformation and fake news on both sides of this. Much like the Russian war on Ukraine. This is the world we live in now. With instant global communication available at fingertips. Question everything and be vigilant my friends!
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 18, 2023 22:45:29 GMT 1
Is it time for every right minded world citizen to step back and allow ordinary Palestinian people to have water, shelter. food, the basics of life?
The way things are being conducted at the moment looks to me like a crack down on the IRA all those years ago being attempted by cutting off supplies and telling everyone to leave the areas where the IRA might have been. That sort of thing woudn't work and would radicalise opinions.
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Post by barrynic on Oct 19, 2023 9:12:34 GMT 1
There will be misinformation and fake news on both sides of this. Much like the Russian war on Ukraine. This is the world we live in now. With instant global communication available at fingertips. Question everything and be vigilant my friends! Most of the misinformation seems to be generated by BBC bias again. I STAND WITH ISRAEL. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 19, 2023 9:43:58 GMT 1
There will be misinformation and fake news on both sides of this. Much like the Russian war on Ukraine. This is the world we live in now. With instant global communication available at fingertips. Question everything and be vigilant my friends! Most of the misinformation seems to be generated by BBC bias again. I STAND WITH ISRAEL. Any particular instances of BBC bias that you can actually identify? Or are they just reporting what their people on the ground can see and verify?
Have you just been reading the Daily Express again?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 19, 2023 10:12:15 GMT 1
There will be misinformation and fake news on both sides of this. Much like the Russian war on Ukraine. This is the world we live in now. With instant global communication available at fingertips. Question everything and be vigilant my friends! Most of the misinformation seems to be generated by BBC bias again. Whether its bias I'm not sure but they haven't exactly covered themselves in glory since this latest iteration of violence started. Mind you, they are not alone in that (its been a real eye opener this past week or so and not just when it comes to the MSM). I tend to get my news from Twitter these days, for all the attacks you see against that platform regarding disinformation, etc. I still consider it a better source than the BBC, Sky, etc. The recent explosion at the hospital being a case in point (the information that was made available on social media left you wondering why the BBC and others were still continuing to report that it was or more than likely was an Israeli missile attack). Granted you do have to separate the wheat from the chaff but even so... |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 19, 2023 10:18:53 GMT 1
There will be misinformation and fake news on both sides of this. Much like the Russian war on Ukraine. This is the world we live in now. With instant global communication available at fingertips. Question everything and be vigilant my friends! Most of the misinformation seems to be generated by BBC bias again. I STAND WITH ISRAEL. And your feelings for the innocent Palestinians? |
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Post by jamo on Oct 19, 2023 10:42:54 GMT 1
There will be misinformation and fake news on both sides of this. Much like the Russian war on Ukraine. This is the world we live in now. With instant global communication available at fingertips. Question everything and be vigilant my friends! Most of the misinformation seems to be generated by BBC bias again. I STAND WITH ISRAEL. I find that a truly staggering comment, and greatly indicative of the s**tstorm of mis information flooding social media. In a maelstrom of claims and counterclaims I am grateful for the impartiality, depth of knowledge and understanding and the journalistic brilliance of John Simpson, Jeremy Bowen, Lyse Doucet et al. |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 19, 2023 12:51:24 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/19/israel-president-joe-biden-violenceAccording to the Israeli human rights group B’tselem, over the decade between 2010 and 2020, Israel killed more than 3,500 Palestinians, while Palestinians killed 198 Israelis. That, coupled with international support and recent normalisation deals with Arab states, has given Israelis a sense of immunity. All the while Palestinians have been feeling greater despair, with all legitimate avenues for liberation blocked, as Israel jails political leaders and kills protesters, and countries pass laws against the nonviolent campaign for boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS). While the brutal targeting of civilians is unjustifiable, the 7 October attack is proof of the unsustainability of this situation.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 19, 2023 13:49:57 GMT 1
This is worth a share as I think it expresses the thoughts of many (myself included) about the current situation and the situation as a whole...
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Post by gtismygod on Oct 19, 2023 14:05:02 GMT 1
There will be misinformation and fake news on both sides of this. Much like the Russian war on Ukraine. This is the world we live in now. With instant global communication available at fingertips. Question everything and be vigilant my friends! Most of the misinformation seems to be generated by BBC bias again. I STAND WITH ISRAEL. Genuinely fascinating how the general public don’t care about Palestine, but feel so much empathy towards Ukraine. Is it simply down to media narrative? Or do people feel particularly protective of the Jewish community after WW2? Or is Ukraine more relatable than Palestine with their (sort of) Western values? |
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Post by MartinB on Oct 19, 2023 14:14:42 GMT 1
This is worth a share as I think it expresses the thoughts of many (myself included) about the current situation and the situation as a whole... certainly worth the time to read this piece, thanks for sharing |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 19, 2023 14:23:43 GMT 1
Most of the misinformation seems to be generated by BBC bias again. I STAND WITH ISRAEL. Genuinely fascinating how the general public don’t care about Palestine, but feel so much empathy towards Ukraine. Is it simply down to media narrative? Or do people feel particularly protective of the Jewish community after WW2? Or is Ukraine more relatable than Palestine with their (sort of) Western values? A closer examination of Ukraine would find that it has been absolutely riddled with corruption. www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/19/corruption-kyiv-takes-on-an-old-foe-wartime |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 19, 2023 15:14:01 GMT 1
Most of the misinformation seems to be generated by BBC bias again. I STAND WITH ISRAEL. Genuinely fascinating how the general public don’t care about Palestine, but feel so much empathy towards Ukraine. Is it simply down to media narrative? Or do people feel particularly protective of the Jewish community after WW2? Or is Ukraine more relatable than Palestine with their (sort of) Western values? It's media narrative from some sections of the MSM. I believe the British public in general care about any people suffering throughout the world. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 19, 2023 15:43:49 GMT 1
Genuinely fascinating how the general public don’t care about Palestine, but feel so much empathy towards Ukraine. Is it simply down to media narrative? Or do people feel particularly protective of the Jewish community after WW2? Or is Ukraine more relatable than Palestine with their (sort of) Western values? A closer examination of Ukraine would find that it has been absolutely riddled with corruption. www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/19/corruption-kyiv-takes-on-an-old-foe-wartimePerhaps the general public care about any ordinary people suffering, more so than the underlying politics? |
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Oct 19, 2023 18:15:42 GMT 1
Hamas started this war. Did they expect Israel to just take it and lie down after what Hamas did to Israeli and other civilians at the Supernova festival and the nearby Kibbutz.
As I see it Hamas are to blame for the death of Palestinian civilians .They have poked the bear once too often .
This is going to end with thousands more pointless deaths.
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Post by MartinB on Oct 19, 2023 18:47:48 GMT 1
Hamas started this war. Did they expect Israel to just take it and lie down after what Hamas did to Israeli and other civilians at the Supernova festival and the nearby Kibbutz. As I see it Hamas are to blame for the death of Palestinian civilians .They have poked the bear once too often . This is going to end with thousands more pointless deaths. So you think the conditions the Palestinians live in are acceptable and haven't contributed at all to what Hamas have done? BTW The only side I am on is the side of innocent people who are dying and their relatives. |
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Oct 19, 2023 18:52:27 GMT 1
Hamas started this war. Did they expect Israel to just take it and lie down after what Hamas did to Israeli and other civilians at the Supernova festival and the nearby Kibbutz. As I see it Hamas are to blame for the death of Palestinian civilians .They have poked the bear once too often . This is going to end with thousands more pointless deaths. So you think the conditions the Palestinians live in are acceptable and haven't contributed at all to what Hamas have done? BTW The only side I am on is the side of innocent people who are dying and their relatives. My point is that this was started by Hamas. |
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Post by jamo on Oct 19, 2023 19:02:30 GMT 1
So you think the conditions the Palestinians live in are acceptable and haven't contributed at all to what Hamas have done? BTW The only side I am on is the side of innocent people who are dying and their relatives. By point is that this was started by Hamas. I think the point is that you have missed the point entirely with such an asinine comment. |
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Oct 19, 2023 19:03:27 GMT 1
So you think the conditions the Palestinians live in are acceptable and haven't contributed at all to what Hamas have done? BTW The only side I am on is the side of innocent people who are dying and their relatives. By point is that this was started by Hamas. While others would suggest it's actually Israel's illegal occupations that 'started it'. I don't take a view as I don't know enough, other than to say I absolutely detest those who play the antisemitism card as soon as someone criticises Israel, conflating potentially legitimate (or not) criticism of the actions of that state with criticism of Judaism or Jewish people, because they're manifesly not the same thing. |
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