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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 12, 2023 9:11:53 GMT 1
This will be a cash cow as many people will get caught out,
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 12, 2023 10:46:19 GMT 1
Cant see why this idiot is still in power. Boris got moved out, the poison dwarf got moved out. Why hasnt someone got rid of this old dinosaur. He wouldnt get away with such stuff if he tried it in France, he would soon have the country protesting, they protest about everything over there. He has announced he is stepping down. Has he, when? (I mean how much longer before he is history?) Should never been given the chance, should have been pushed out long ago.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 12, 2023 12:55:37 GMT 1
I'd never normally be voting Conservative, but if I was a resident of Wales and the next elections for the Welsh Assembly were coming up, I'd most certainly do so, as they've promised to repeal this nonsense if ever they get in power. That said, the next elections aren't until 2026!
Meanwhile, an unholy alliance of Labour and Plaid Cymru have foisted this on the general population of Wales without even listening to them.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 12, 2023 13:00:58 GMT 1
I'd never normally be voting Conservative, but if I was a resident of Wales and the next elections for the Welsh Assembly were coming up, I'd most certainly do so, as they've promised to repeal this nonsense if ever they get in power. That said, the next elections aren't until 2026! Meanwhile, an unholy alliance of Labour and Plaid Cymru have foisted this on the general population of Wales without even listening to them. Not strictly true - it was a manifesto pledge (page 24): www.welshlabour.wales/wp-content/uploads/sites/183/2019/11/Welsh-Labour-Manifesto-2019.pdf
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Post by northwestman on Sept 12, 2023 13:25:31 GMT 1
I'd never normally be voting Conservative, but if I was a resident of Wales and the next elections for the Welsh Assembly were coming up, I'd most certainly do so, as they've promised to repeal this nonsense if ever they get in power. That said, the next elections aren't until 2026! Meanwhile, an unholy alliance of Labour and Plaid Cymru have foisted this on the general population of Wales without even listening to them. Not strictly true - it was a manifesto pledge (page 24): www.welshlabour.wales/wp-content/uploads/sites/183/2019/11/Welsh-Labour-Manifesto-2019.pdfManifestos are often not kept to - ask the Tories. Labour holds 30 of the 60 Welsh Assembly seats. Had the Opposition Parties all voted against this it might have helped. However, the final vote was 39 for 15 against, which clearly indicates Plaid Cymru support, as the Conservatives hold 16 seats and I'd assume nearly all of them voted against.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 12, 2023 13:44:06 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 12, 2023 13:53:17 GMT 1
You have to question if he's going senile at this point.
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Post by jamo on Sept 12, 2023 13:56:29 GMT 1
Manifestos are often not kept to - ask the Tories. Labour holds 30 of the 60 Welsh Assembly seats. Had the Opposition Parties all voted against this it might have helped. However, the final vote was 39 for 15 against, which clearly indicates Plaid Cymru support, as the Conservatives hold 16 seats and I'd assume nearly all of them voted against. Just so that I am not mis-understanding. Are you now directly criticising a political party for actually sticking to a manifesto pledge ? Be a bit strange if that was the case so thought it best to check
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Post by northwestman on Sept 12, 2023 14:51:39 GMT 1
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Post by jamo on Sept 12, 2023 15:03:22 GMT 1
Just so that I am not mis-understanding. Are you now directly criticising a political party for actually sticking to a manifesto pledge ? Be a bit strange if that was the case so thought it best to check Yes I am, when it was tucked away on Page 24 of the Manifesto and I doubt whether many thought it would ever be implemented. Manifestos are purely statements of intent which have been broken by all political parties since time immemorial. And Labour's record is no better. Ok, thanks for clarifying. It just seems a bit abstract to me that someone who voted for a political party based upon what they intended to do if elected, then gets massively critical of that party by that same voter for doing exactly that. Anyway, I had no intent on diverting the thrust of the thread ( I will leave that to the usual suspects who will no doubt be along shortly) so will leave it there. Other than to say, whilst I understand people getting a bit hot and bothered about this because it is currently a bit ‘left field’ I wouldn’t waste to much time on it because I am pretty sure it will be implemented in all major English cities and towns in the near future, so we all better get used to it
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 12, 2023 15:03:39 GMT 1
Yet you believe that the Tories will stick to their pledge to repeal this 20mph nonsense?
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Post by northwestman on Sept 12, 2023 15:08:49 GMT 1
Yet you believe that the Tories will stick to their pledge to repeal this 20mph nonsense? I haven't much confidence that they will to be honest - but I'm damned sure that Labour and Plaid Cymru won't.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 12, 2023 15:22:50 GMT 1
Yet you believe that the Tories will stick to their pledge to repeal this 20mph nonsense? I haven't much confidence that they will to be honest - but I'm damned sure that Labour and Plaid Cymru won't. Then best compare maybe getting the repeal you crave with definately getting the other Tory policies we have to endure in England.
The lib dems used to do well in the mid Wales area, what are they offering?
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Post by mattmw on Sept 12, 2023 15:25:32 GMT 1
I personally remain scepitcal about how much difference 20 mph makes to road safety, as I think driver awareness in built up areas is of equal biling to speed. But in all the time I've worked in local goveernment the issue of speeding is the one that above all else comes out top as a community concern, so I'm not that sure the policy will necessarily be that unpopular with the Welsh population as a whole.
Reminds me of an experience many years ago where a Parish Councillor complained for years about getting a speed restriction in their village reduced from 40 to 30 mph, and when we eventually made the change the first person to be caught in the village was the self same man who had campaigned for it. Think it shows everyone thinks speeding is a problem unless its them doing it!
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 12, 2023 15:34:38 GMT 1
I personally remain scepitcal about how much difference 20 mph makes to road safety, as I think driver awareness in built up areas is of equal biling to speed. But in all the time I've worked in local goveernment the issue of speeding is the one that above all else comes out top as a community concern, so I'm not that sure the policy will necessarily be that unpopular with the Welsh population as a whole. Reminds me of an experience many years ago where a Parish Councillor complained for years about getting a speed restriction in their village reduced from 40 to 30 mph, and when we eventually made the change the first person to be caught in the village was the self same man who had campaigned for it. Think it shows everyone thinks speeding is a problem unless its them doing it! One thing you can gaurantee is that soon after a reduction from 40 to 30, the speed van will be there and most drivers will be absentmindedly going the speed they were used to doing. Easy money.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 12, 2023 15:39:41 GMT 1
I've already mentioned the simple solution = speed bumps, does anyone speed over them ? the only drawback with them is they don't bring in any money
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 12, 2023 15:45:18 GMT 1
I've already mentioned the simple solution = speed bumps, does anyone speed over them ? the only drawback with them is they don't bring in any money They do to the garages fixing your suspension.... I remember the Telford Brookside bumps, at least the third set so far. One set was found to be the wrong sort, meant for an even lower sped limit. My then Mini used to very nearly "beach" on the top of them, would have done without the momentum.
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Post by FloreatShrew on Sept 12, 2023 17:18:26 GMT 1
I'd never normally be voting Conservative, but if I was a resident of Wales and the next elections for the Welsh Assembly were coming up, I'd most certainly do so, as they've promised to repeal this nonsense if ever they get in power. That said, the next elections aren't until 2026! Meanwhile, an unholy alliance of Labour and Plaid Cymru have foisted this on the general population of Wales without even listening to them. As this was originally a Welsh Tory policy... Oh yes. Opportunistic Tories in Wales once again.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on Sept 12, 2023 18:37:46 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 12, 2023 18:49:39 GMT 1
😡😡😡 Damn. Cant any media find out a bit of scandal about him? Probably not I guess, he seems a right boring little fecker.
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Post by belfastshrew on Sept 12, 2023 21:09:43 GMT 1
I can understand 20mph near schools. Ruyton XI has it, no problems. But take a look at the map... datamap.gov.wales/maps/roads-affected-by-changes-to-the-speed-limit-on-re/Poor South Walians...I fail to see how this will change anything apart from revenue from fines and loss of public opinion... I agree driving slower = higher revs = more pollution. I also agree that driving slower promotes boredom and frustration behind the wheel, causing more accidents. I would be much happier pedestrianising areas, and improving public transport links so less use vehicles.
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Post by mattmw on Sept 12, 2023 21:30:57 GMT 1
I can understand 20mph near schools. Ruyton XI has it, no problems. But take a look at the map... datamap.gov.wales/maps/roads-affected-by-changes-to-the-speed-limit-on-re/Poor South Walians...I fail to see how this will change anything apart from revenue from fines and loss of public opinion... I agree driving slower = higher revs = more pollution. I also agree that driving slower promotes boredom and frustration behind the wheel, causing more accidents. I would be much happier pedestrianising areas, and improving public transport links so less use vehicles. The map is slightly confusing as if I’ve read it correctly the reds, pinks and dark red rust coloured roads are ones where the Local Councils have decided to keep them at 30mph, not those that are new 20mph If you look at Salop Road in Welshpool off the A458 the red bit on the map is pretty open road with not much housing, the 20mph kicks in nearer the town centre.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 12, 2023 23:14:07 GMT 1
I find most schools currently have obstacles placed that actually slow down traffic, they are lazy parents who would park their 4x4s in the main assembly hall if it was open, failing that they just line up as close to the school as they can get, or coaches lined up for pupils transport home, in reality they just create a million and one blindspots which can be an accident waiting to happen
maybe its time to replace the town centres dying shops with one big school and pedestrian zone and public transport only
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Post by servernaside on Sept 13, 2023 9:55:06 GMT 1
It is the default position of all Labour/Socialist politicians to exert ever greater control and taxes..... aka fines on its citizens.
This is of course always dressed up as being for the greater good, whether it be for communal safety, or these days...climate.
It is and has always been, a smokescreen.
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Post by kenwood on Sept 13, 2023 10:18:14 GMT 1
Just imagine driving at 20 mph through Blaenau Ffestiniog. It would be absolute torture . Similarly driving through Wrexham at anything less than 70 mph is not to be recommended . Make sure you have your windows closed and air conditioning off , don’t want to be breathing in certain substances else you’ll end up like the locals , off your tits and giggling like a loon .
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Post by mattmw on Sept 13, 2023 11:17:14 GMT 1
Just imagine driving at 20 mph through Blaenau Ffestiniog. It would be absolute torture . Similarly driving through Wrexham at anything less than 70 mph is not to be recommended . Make sure you have your windows closed and air conditioning off , don’t want to be breathing in certain substances else you’ll end up like the locals , off your tits and giggling like a loon . Looking at the map it looks like the main roads around Blaenau Ffestiniog are remaining at 30mph or indeed 50 or 60 on the outer main road, it’s only the inner loop along the high street by the railway that’s likely to have the 20mph It’s a good point though as in a lot of these small Welsh towns the main roads do often go through the centre of towns and if a 20mph limit is imposed that might affect traffic flow and congestion
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Post by wookeywombat on Sept 13, 2023 11:21:41 GMT 1
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Post by mattmw on Sept 13, 2023 11:55:24 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 13, 2023 12:03:04 GMT 1
I find most schools currently have obstacles placed that actually slow down traffic, they are lazy parents who would park their 4x4s in the main assembly hall if it was open, failing that they just line up as close to the school as they can get, or coaches lined up for pupils transport home, in reality they just create a million and one blindspots which can be an accident waiting to happen maybe its time to replace the town centres dying shops with one big school and pedestrian zone and public transport only Couldn't agree more, the parents are the issue. Lazy culture has kicked in, some drive 100 yards with the excuse of carrying on the journey elsewhere. Walk, then drive the opposite way to the school, contribute to making the school environment safer.
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Post by wookeywombat on Sept 13, 2023 14:53:25 GMT 1
I find most schools currently have obstacles placed that actually slow down traffic, they are lazy parents who would park their 4x4s in the main assembly hall if it was open, failing that they just line up as close to the school as they can get, or coaches lined up for pupils transport home, in reality they just create a million and one blindspots which can be an accident waiting to happen maybe its time to replace the town centres dying shops with one big school and pedestrian zone and public transport only Couldn't agree more, the parents are the issue. Lazy culture has kicked in, some drive 100 yards with the excuse of carrying on the journey elsewhere. Walk, then drive the opposite way to the school, contribute to making the school environment safer. I accept that this does occur but is over egged by the media. Where I live, I am reasonably certain that all parents who live in the village walk with their children to the primary school. The problem is that many live well outside the immediate area and have no option but to drive in or are bussed in.
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