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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 3, 2022 16:39:44 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 3, 2022 16:48:15 GMT 1
Some elements of the press seem keen to ramp up the pressuer www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11385529/New-map-shows-people-area-born-abroad-immigrant-population-passes-10m.html"How many people were born abroad in YOUR area? Map reveals percentage of immigrant population for every local authority in England and Wales as total passes 10m for the first time - up 2.5m in decade There has been a 2.5million rise in the number of foreign-born people living in England and Wales in 10 years The number of Romanians now living in England and Wales has swelled from 80,000 to 539,000 since 2011 The increase in Romanians followed the lifting of working restrictions across the European Union in 2014 India remains the most common country of birth outside the UK - with 925,000 making up 1.5% of population " |
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 3, 2022 17:05:51 GMT 1
Home Secretary's visit comes after ministers admitted the Manston facility is not operating legally amid overcrowding and reported outbreaks of disease.’
Sounds more like Manston concentration camp….. definition
‘The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy.’
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 3, 2022 17:26:55 GMT 1
Home Secretary's visit comes after ministers admitted the Manston facility is not operating legally amid overcrowding and reported outbreaks of disease.’Sounds more like Manston concentration camp….. definition ‘The term concentration camp refers to a camp in which people are detained or confined, usually under harsh conditions and without regard to legal norms of arrest and imprisonment that are acceptable in a constitutional democracy.’ Isn't that to our shame?
Government, get a grip.
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 3, 2022 18:17:49 GMT 1
The only good news is not nearly so many will cross in Winter. Gives us a chance to clear the back log, decide on a legal and acceptable policy and in my view form a joint ‘Channel Force’ to work in France stopping them before they set off. Due to the distance there’s only a 50km stretch of coast to cover otherwise the sea journey doubles . Sure we could fund it for £7 million a day.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 3, 2022 22:31:02 GMT 1
Disgusting and totally abhorrent take on a vicious crime by the utterly odious Abbott
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 3, 2022 22:47:07 GMT 1
Disgusting and totally abhorrent take on a vicious crime by the utterly odious Abbott How so? |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 3, 2022 22:48:58 GMT 1
Migrants are being “actively encouraged” to leave the crisis-hit Manston asylum centre as long as they can provide an address, Border Force, council and charity sources have told The Telegraph.
In apparent relaxation, they claimed hundreds of migrants - many of them Albanian - had been allowed to freely leave without follow-up checks as part of a drive to tackle chronic overcrowding at the processing centre.
They have been released if they can provide an address where they can live and agree to report to an immigration office, but there is no obligation for officials to check the locations given to them by migrants prior to their departure.
However, in a letter to Mrs Braverman, 14 council leaders in Kent warned: “We have hundreds of mostly Albanian [migrants] not claiming asylum and being bailed and dropped at mid-Kent train stations with no follow up where they go or if they leave Kent.”
A Border Force source said: “Staff are under so much pressure to get people out of Manston that everyone is panicking and all the bits of the jigsaw are not coming together.
“They are asking them if they have got an address, giving them an immigration bail form and as long as they can say they have somewhere to stay, they are being released. That’s why you have migrants turning up in the middle of the night at immigration centres or stations.”
A charity source said: “They appear to be actively encouraging it. Basically, they have said to people if you have an address you can go to it, but they haven’t checked if they have one.”
Eleven migrants were left stranded at Britain’s busiest coach station on Tuesday afternoon after they told officials they had homes to go to and were granted immigration bail. They were driven from the Manston centre to Victoria bus station in central London and left there with nowhere to stay.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 3, 2022 22:49:22 GMT 1
Christ do I really need to explain…
She is blaming a teenage boy being raped on the Tories
Nothing excuses a rapist
Imagine if that was your son
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 3, 2022 22:57:06 GMT 1
Christ do I really need to explain… She is blaming a teenage boy being raped on the Tories Nothing excuses a rapist Imagine if that was your son She's blaming it on the unsafe conditions these people are being housed in and she's not the only one; Waltham Forest Council were also highly critical of the arrangements. If it were my son I'd be fuming that adequate safeguarding arrangements weren't being made and ultimately the ruling party, that's been responsible for a decade of swinging budget cuts, has to bare a big share of the responsibility, regardless of how much that triggers you. Trust me, if it were my son the very last thing on my mind would be "oh no, I do hope nobody says anything that might, if you try as hard as you possibly be can to be offended, make the tories look bad@" |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 3, 2022 22:59:38 GMT 1
Christ do I really need to explain… She is blaming a teenage boy being raped on the Tories Nothing excuses a rapist Imagine if that was your son She's blaming it on the unsafe conditions these people are being housed in and she's not the only one; Waltham Forest Council were also highly critical of the arrangements. If it were my son I'd be fuming that adequate safeguarding arrangements weren't being made and ultimately the ruling party, that's been responsible for a decade of swinging budget cuts, has to bare a big share of the responsibility, regardless of how much that triggers you. Trust me, if it were my son the very last thing on my mind would be "oh no, I do hope nobody says anything that might, if you try as hard as you possibly be can to be offended, make the tories look bad@" The only thing that triggers me is these type of people are being housed at the tax payers expense, it’s a disgrace. I note said bloke has been bailed, unbelieavble! To blame anybody but the scum bag who did this is crazy, but I suppose I shouldn’t expect anything different from the awful Abbott. An apologist for a rapist, just terrible |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 3, 2022 23:00:03 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/03/sadiq-khan-calls-for-urgent-review-after-asylum-seekers-stranded-in-londonSuella Braverman is facing demands from Sadiq Khan to launch an urgent review of how dozens of people once held in Manston holding centre were abandoned without food or accommodation in the capital. The mayor of London has also raised concerns with the home secretary that overcrowding and poor safeguarding in hotels housing people seeking asylum has led to reports of sexual assaults against children. Earlier it emerged that Braverman was facing a legal challenge over the conditions at Manston in Kent, which is housing thousands of people seeking refuge in the UK. Lawyers on behalf of the charity Detention Action and a woman held at the facility in Kent sent an urgent pre-action letter to the Home Office on Tuesday. It represents the first action against the home secretary for “the unlawful treatment of people held at the facility”. Concerns raised by the woman about the site near Ramsgate include “the routine prolongation of detention beyond statutory time limits; failure to adhere to essential safeguarding measures for children; women and children sleeping alongside adult men to whom they are unrelated; inadequate or nonexistent access to legal advice for those detained; and exposure to infectious diseases due to overcrowding and poor sanitation,” the charity said.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 3, 2022 23:15:28 GMT 1
She's blaming it on the unsafe conditions these people are being housed in and she's not the only one; Waltham Forest Council were also highly critical of the arrangements. If it were my son I'd be fuming that adequate safeguarding arrangements weren't being made and ultimately the ruling party, that's been responsible for a decade of swinging budget cuts, has to bare a big share of the responsibility, regardless of how much that triggers you. Trust me, if it were my son the very last thing on my mind would be "oh no, I do hope nobody says anything that might, if you try as hard as you possibly be can to be offended, make the tories look bad@" The only thing that triggers me is these type of people are being housed at the tax payers expense, it’s a disgrace. I note said bloke has been bailed, unbelieavble! To blame anybody but the scum bag who did this is crazy, but I suppose I shouldn’t expect anything different from the awful Abbott You're completely and utterly missing the point here; nobody's absolving the perpetrator. The point about safeguarding is that the authorities don't appear to be recognising the fact that having wholly inadequate arrangements in place to deal with the arrival of often vulnerable people with no support network nearby leaves them open to being exploited by bad actors. Whatever you might think about "these type of people", a 13 year old is still a child and deserves to be looked after properly in anything calling itself a civilised country. The irony of whinging about "taxpayer's expense" is that if we had anything approaching a properly funded border agency we could have appropriate facilities set up to manage the comparatively modest numbers of arrivals here safely (for them and the wider community) instead of plonking them in random hotels at an annual cost that would run the local NHS in a large county. If the figures of £7m a day quoted widely in national press this week are true, that's £2.5bn per annum. Just have a proper border agency for ****'s sake. It's yet another example of how the supposed party of business and fiscal responsibility simply cannot grasp the concept of investing to save, so we wind up with children being raped, concentration camp conditions and people ending up being released to God knows where with zero follow up, all because our government can't bare the thought of public money going into public services instead of lining the pockets of private business owners. But of course, the important thing is that nobody tries to make this political. Sure the victim's family will be really grateful for your intervention. |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 3, 2022 23:19:18 GMT 1
The only thing that triggers me is these type of people are being housed at the tax payers expense, it’s a disgrace. I note said bloke has been bailed, unbelieavble! To blame anybody but the scum bag who did this is crazy, but I suppose I shouldn’t expect anything different from the awful Abbott You're completely and utterly missing the point here; nobody's absolving the perpetrator. The point about safeguarding is that the authorities don't appear to be recognising the fact that having wholly inadequate arrangements in place to deal with the arrival of often vulnerable people with no support network nearby leaves them open to being exploited by bad actors. Whatever you might think about "these type of people", a 13 year old is still a child and deserves to be looked after properly in anything calling itself a civilised country. The irony of whinging about "taxpayer's expense" is that if we had anything approaching a properly funded border agency we could have appropriate facilities set up to manage the comparatively modest numbers of arrivals here safely (for them and the wider community) instead of plonking them in random hotels at an annual cost that would run the local NHS in a large county. If the figures of £7m a day quoted widely in national press this week are true, that's £2.5bn per annum. Just have a proper border agency for ****'s sake. It's yet another example of how the supposed party of business and fiscal responsibility simply cannot grasp the concept of investing to save, so we wind up with children being raped, concentration camp conditions and people ending up being released to God knows where with zero follow up, all because our government can't bare the thought of public money going into public services instead of lining the pockets of private business owners. But of course, the important thing is that nobody tries to make this political. Sure the victim's family will be really grateful for your intervention. See I agree with almost everything you’ve said there. I’m not the one making it political, I couldn’t give a flying feck about the Tories, it’s one shambles after another, this the latest I’m allowed to think Abbott is a dangerous and deranged idiot, this time being a rapist apologist, without that meaning I love the Tories!! |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 3, 2022 23:31:23 GMT 1
You're completely and utterly missing the point here; nobody's absolving the perpetrator. The point about safeguarding is that the authorities don't appear to be recognising the fact that having wholly inadequate arrangements in place to deal with the arrival of often vulnerable people with no support network nearby leaves them open to being exploited by bad actors. Whatever you might think about "these type of people", a 13 year old is still a child and deserves to be looked after properly in anything calling itself a civilised country. The irony of whinging about "taxpayer's expense" is that if we had anything approaching a properly funded border agency we could have appropriate facilities set up to manage the comparatively modest numbers of arrivals here safely (for them and the wider community) instead of plonking them in random hotels at an annual cost that would run the local NHS in a large county. If the figures of £7m a day quoted widely in national press this week are true, that's £2.5bn per annum. Just have a proper border agency for ****'s sake. It's yet another example of how the supposed party of business and fiscal responsibility simply cannot grasp the concept of investing to save, so we wind up with children being raped, concentration camp conditions and people ending up being released to God knows where with zero follow up, all because our government can't bare the thought of public money going into public services instead of lining the pockets of private business owners. But of course, the important thing is that nobody tries to make this political. Sure the victim's family will be really grateful for your intervention. See I agree with almost everything you’ve said there. I’m not the one making it political, I couldn’t give a flying feck about the Tories, it’s one shambles after another, this the latest I’m allowed to think Abbott is a dangerous and deranged idiot, this time being a rapist apologist, without that meaning I love the Tories!! It is political though isn't it? The Conservative Party has been in charge of border policy for 12 years. They've also set the budget for 12 years. The fact that it's often no safer for asylum seekers here than it is wherever they're escaping should be a source of national embarrassment (press today reporting that an estimated 25% of victims of modern slavery in this country are Albanians). Your personal opinions on Diane Abbot are irrelevant here because she's absolutely correct on this issue and she's right to use her platform to put pressure on a badly underperforming government. That's what the opposition are supposed to do, right, especially given the amount of hot air that gets generated over "the lack of an effective opposition"? |
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 3, 2022 23:55:21 GMT 1
It is largely ignored that the number of asylum seekers last year is virtually half the number of 2002. The difference is that it is taking much much longer to process the claims which is a damning indictment of lack of investment in manpower since.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 4, 2022 0:08:00 GMT 1
It is largely ignored that the number of asylum seekers last year is virtually half the number of 2002. The difference is that it is taking much much longer to process the claims which is a damning indictment of lack of investment in manpower since. It's also a fraction of the numbers coming to places like Greece, Cyprus, Malta etc, more so parts of the developing world bordering conflict zones. The reality is if the government wants a "hostile environment" then properly funded facilities to house and process people and large numbers of manpower to prevent people being "lost in the system" should be top of the list. Despite the current rhetoric, the government's austerity approach delivers the exact opposite to what it claims to do, as well as making incidents like the one being discussed more likely. If "taking back control" is so important to people, then why isn't the government investing appropriately in what is supposedly a priority? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 4, 2022 0:08:55 GMT 1
Can't see anything wrong with Diane Abbot's words. Anyone who can should take the anti-Abbot blinkers off and examine her statement. "Teenage boy raped at hotel housing refugees. Terrible case" is that correct? "But it is what happens when you demonise migrants and take NO responsibility for safeguarding migrant children" Well, is Braverman demonising migrants "invading" this country? Is Braverman/this government taking any responsibility for safeguarding young people? They don't appear to be!
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Post by edgmond on Nov 4, 2022 7:09:12 GMT 1
It’s not just opponents of the government (e.g. Ms Abbott) who are highlighting concerns over the way the processing of migrants has failed. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11310693/More-100-unaccompanied-child-migrants-young-11-missing-hotels.htmlThis was widely reported over two weeks ago. It doesn’t matter who paid for these children to cross the channel or what their circumstances were in their home countries, the point is that they are children and this country has a duty of care to make sure they are safeguarded. In that regard, those responsible (ultimately this is the government) are continuing to fail. Local authorities in Kent, which bear the brunt of the problem through no fault of their own, just geography, have appealed to central government for more support. Braverman and her predecessor have wasted time and money on the ridiculous Rwanda plan, while the situation has worsened. |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 4, 2022 8:03:14 GMT 1
See I agree with almost everything you’ve said there. I’m not the one making it political, I couldn’t give a flying feck about the Tories, it’s one shambles after another, this the latest I’m allowed to think Abbott is a dangerous and deranged idiot, this time being a rapist apologist, without that meaning I love the Tories!! It is political though isn't it? The Conservative Party has been in charge of border policy for 12 years. They've also set the budget for 12 years. The fact that it's often no safer for asylum seekers here than it is wherever they're escaping should be a source of national embarrassment (press today reporting that an estimated 25% of victims of modern slavery in this country are Albanians). Your personal opinions on Diane Abbot are irrelevant here because she's absolutely correct on this issue and she's right to use her platform to put pressure on a badly underperforming government. That's what the opposition are supposed to do, right, especially given the amount of hot air that gets generated over "the lack of an effective opposition"? Agreed it’s political, but don’t accuse me of making it political and sticking up for the Tories when that’s b******s, I’ve no loyalty to them more than anyone else She’s not right at all, it’s an abhorrent, disgusting opinion and tweet being an apologist for a rapist. Nothing excuses a rapist. Nothing |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 4, 2022 9:19:28 GMT 1
It is political though isn't it? The Conservative Party has been in charge of border policy for 12 years. They've also set the budget for 12 years. The fact that it's often no safer for asylum seekers here than it is wherever they're escaping should be a source of national embarrassment (press today reporting that an estimated 25% of victims of modern slavery in this country are Albanians). Your personal opinions on Diane Abbot are irrelevant here because she's absolutely correct on this issue and she's right to use her platform to put pressure on a badly underperforming government. That's what the opposition are supposed to do, right, especially given the amount of hot air that gets generated over "the lack of an effective opposition"? Agreed it’s political, but don’t accuse me of making it political and sticking up for the Tories when that’s b******s, I’ve no loyalty to them more than anyone else She’s not right at all, it’s an abhorrent, disgusting opinion and tweet being an apologist for a rapist. Nothing excuses a rapist. Nothing I'll tone down my response a bit from yesterday but I don't agree that this is what she is trying to do. I can't see anything that apologises for the perpetrator and the link to safeguarding issues is made clear. |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 4, 2022 9:25:15 GMT 1
Agreed it’s political, but don’t accuse me of making it political and sticking up for the Tories when that’s b******s, I’ve no loyalty to them more than anyone else She’s not right at all, it’s an abhorrent, disgusting opinion and tweet being an apologist for a rapist. Nothing excuses a rapist. Nothing I'll tone down my response a bit from yesterday but I don't agree that this is what she is trying to do. I can't see anything that apologises for the perpetrator and the link to safeguarding issues is made clear. Fair enough, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 10:22:46 GMT 1
Is it not similar to Sadiq Khan taking all the flak in London for the increase in knife crime? The criminals are abhorrent but the system isn’t doing it’s best to safeguard against such atrocities.
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 4, 2022 10:41:37 GMT 1
If you're going to sort the backlog it'll never help when record numbers are crossing.
The weather will impact the numbers soon, I think that's why the gangs are cramping as many onto boats now as they can, they know the game will be up soon.
53 on a boat at the moment is the average at £2,800 each, do the maths ...
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 4, 2022 11:44:20 GMT 1
If you're going to sort the backlog it'll never help when record numbers are crossing. The weather will impact the numbers soon, I think that's why the gangs are cramping as many onto boats now as they can, they know the game will be up soon. 53 on a boat at the moment is the average at £2,800 each, do the maths ... Record numbers might be crossing the Channel but the numbers are still way below 2002's record high total of asylum seekers. The lowest number of claimants was in 2010 and I wonder what happened in that year!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 14:24:25 GMT 1
I usually find Tom Harwood an awful, low quality Tory fanboy of a journalist, but the article he’s quoted in his tweet below is pretty much spot on:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 15:46:53 GMT 1
Calling it an invasion is fueling the far right EDL and BNP support. I don't know you personally, but although I would guess that you are on the right of the political spectrum I don't see you as Tommy Ten Names fanboy. Please stop using such inflammatory language 👍 For what it's worth I don't believe that many of the Albanians crossing the channel have a legitimate case for asylum and those that don't should be returned whence they came as soon as possible. They are though currently using the fact that the system is a complete bloody shambles. To be brutally honest if you or I were in the same position we would probably do the same. |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 4, 2022 16:08:14 GMT 1
Calling it an invasion is fueling the far right EDL and BNP support. I don't know you personally, but although I would guess that you are on the right of the political spectrum I don't see you as Tommy Ten Names fanboy. Please stop using such inflammatory language 👍 For what it's worth I don't believe that many of the Albanians crossing the channel have a legitimate case for asylum and those that don't should be returned whence they came as soon as possible. They are though currently using the fact that the system is a complete bloody shambles. To be brutally honest if you or I were in the same position we would probably do the same. Out of interest then, how would you describe 80,000+ coming here illegally in less than 2 years? What's inflammatory for one person isn't for another, I found Abbott's tweet inflammatory but got plenty back disagreeing with me, no problem with that, that's how it works, but it does work both ways |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 4, 2022 16:13:48 GMT 1
A migrant who has a contact in this country has a good chance of evading immigration control currently, they just seem to want to be rid of you. But when you've evaded immigration control you are ripe for being exploited to illegally work here.
So it's no wonder they are coming. Call it what you will, but the fact that we are in this state after 12 years of Tory govrnment can only be blamed on 12 years of Tory government.
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