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Post by martinshrew on Nov 8, 2022 15:57:14 GMT 1
Thousands upon thousands of young men or working age. Make no mistake, this is high scale economic migration, nothing more nothing less. Which would explain why it is allowed... You're happy with thousands upon thousands of "terrified" working age males leaving a safe country at your expense? (Assuming you pay tax in this country) I can understand, tolerate and sympathise with women and children fleeing violent regimes, poor countries etc but this is a full scale landing of young men from a perfectly safe country. Hopefully the rumoured plans being talked about are put in place and all Albanian males are removed within 72 hours. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 17:35:49 GMT 1
Anyone know which hotel this is? If I was a betting man I’d go for The Prince Rupert. The only hotel with full occupancy during COVID. I don’t know, The Prince Rupert have always been very upfront about it in the past, seems the owner loves the publicity. |
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 8, 2022 17:52:06 GMT 1
If I was a betting man I’d go for The Prince Rupert. The only hotel with full occupancy during COVID. I don’t know, The Prince Rupert have always been very upfront about it in the past, seems the owner loves the publicity. He’s a good guy. Can’t see any other owner being so humane (although I sure he’ll be well rewarded) and maybe it’s not broadcast to stop extreme right wingers attacking the place… |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 8, 2022 18:53:30 GMT 1
It's the Lion Hotel, luxury it seems.
To be fair, the place is dilapidated.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 8, 2022 19:27:11 GMT 1
"Posh" hotel in Snowdonia, free full board and lodgings at the Lion. How does one apply to be considered an asylum seeker? Perhaps going out in a small boat off Dover would do it? Take them months to "process" me and realise I was British already.
What's the worst that can happen, a free trip to Rwanda?
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 8, 2022 20:13:11 GMT 1
I don’t know, The Prince Rupert have always been very upfront about it in the past, seems the owner loves the publicity. He’s a good guy. Can’t see any other owner being so humane (although I sure he’ll be well rewarded) and maybe it’s not broadcast to stop extreme right wingers attacking the place… What’s humane about kicking out/cancelling residents of a hotel, so that Albanian males can be housed free of charge and at the tax payers expense? It’s actually inhumane to those booted out and all of us paying for it |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 8, 2022 20:15:49 GMT 1
He’s a good guy. Can’t see any other owner being so humane (although I sure he’ll be well rewarded) and maybe it’s not broadcast to stop extreme right wingers attacking the place… What’s humane about kicking out/cancelling residents of a hotel, so that Albanian males can be housed free of charge and at the tax payers expense? It’s actually inhumane to those booted out and all of us paying for it Well, blame the Home Office! |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 8, 2022 20:52:36 GMT 1
Just demonstrates how "penny wise, pound foolish" this government and its supporters are. If daily figures payable to hotels for housing migrants are correct then failure to properly fund the border agency and create adequate facilities and train enough staff to cope with arrivals is now costing us about £2.5bn per annum (for reference that's about twice the annual budget available to NHS organisations in Shropshire) and delivering a service which can't safeguard minors, can't keep track of people entering the country to deter criminals or people who would exploit migrants, can't stop migrants crossing the Channel and can't process claims at anything like the required rate.
Nice little gravy train for the hotel industry though, just in time for the recession too. They'll be lining their pockets with public money just like dodgy PPE companies did during covid, to the detriment of local economies as we saw in that Star article.
It's pathetic, frankly.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 8, 2022 20:57:00 GMT 1
Apparently 300 hotels is the latest figure, filled with illegal immigrants with no ID or documentation
Absolutely insane, dangerous, costly
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 20:58:05 GMT 1
Just demonstrates how "penny wise, pound foolish" this government and its supporters are. If daily figures payable to hotels for housing migrants are correct then failure to properly fund the border agency and create adequate facilities and train enough staff to cope with arrivals is now costing us about £2.5bn per annum (for reference that's about twice the annual budget available to NHS organisations in Shropshire) and delivering a service which can't safeguard minors, can't keep track of people entering the country to deter criminals or people who would exploit migrants, can't stop migrants crossing the Channel and can't process claims at anything like the required rate. Nice little gravy train for the hotel industry though, just in time for the recession too. They'll be lining their pockets with public money just like dodgy PPE companies did during covid, to the detriment of local economies as we saw in that Star article. It's pathetic, frankly. Spot on. Lack of any sort of long term thinking or policy leaves a firefighting approach which is always inevitably incredibly costly and inefficient. It’s a hallmark of the last several years of government and their lack of policies. |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 8, 2022 20:59:22 GMT 1
What’s humane about kicking out/cancelling residents of a hotel, so that Albanian males can be housed free of charge and at the tax payers expense? It’s actually inhumane to those booted out and all of us paying for it Well, blame the Home Office! I’ve already dealt with that earlier in the thread Maybe you can answer my question for a change, rather than incessant government bashing on a situation literally nobody has defended them on, on this thread |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 8, 2022 22:33:03 GMT 1
Well, blame the Home Office! I’ve already dealt with that earlier in the thread Maybe you can answer my question for a change, rather than incessant government bashing on a situation literally nobody has defended them on, on this thread Q. What’s humane about kicking out/cancelling residents of a hotel, so that Albanian males can be housed free of charge and at the tax payers expense? A. It's not humane, some people have had their wedding bookings. made for over a year, cancelled at the Snowdinia hotel. But it's not the fault of Albanian males. "literally nobody has defended them (the goverment) on this thread" So who is responsible for our borders, immigration, passport checks, deportation, etc.? Is it not the Home office led by various Home Secretaries who are Government Ministers who have overseen a disasterous slow down in processing migrants and a complete lack of control of our borders and now have a huge backlog of migrants to process? Those migrants have to be housed until due process is done and in a civilised country that is not done by putting 4000 into a 1600 place temporary centre.
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 9, 2022 9:18:54 GMT 1
He’s a good guy. Can’t see any other owner being so humane (although I sure he’ll be well rewarded) and maybe it’s not broadcast to stop extreme right wingers attacking the place… What’s humane about kicking out/cancelling residents of a hotel, so that Albanian males can be housed free of charge and at the tax payers expense? It’s actually inhumane to those booted out and all of us paying for it 😂 Do you think every migrant is an Albanian male? Appreciate that’s what the media make you think but there are genuine refugees mixed up in the home office mess. Whilst I’d be hacked off if I’d book in and was asked to move it’s hardly inhumane. yes I want strong controls, before they set off and quick and efficient vetting which would / should take place nearer the entry points but there are genuine vulnerable people mixed up in this farce. |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 9, 2022 9:52:07 GMT 1
What’s humane about kicking out/cancelling residents of a hotel, so that Albanian males can be housed free of charge and at the tax payers expense? It’s actually inhumane to those booted out and all of us paying for it 😂 Do you think every migrant is an Albanian male? Appreciate that’s what the media make you think but there are genuine refugees mixed up in the home office mess. Whilst I’d be hacked off if I’d book in and was asked to move it’s hardly inhumane. yes I want strong controls, before they set off and quick and efficient vetting which would / should take place nearer the entry points but there are genuine vulnerable people mixed up in this farce. No of course I don't think that - but they are certainly the majority at this moment in time |
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 9, 2022 10:09:06 GMT 1
😂 Do you think every migrant is an Albanian male? Appreciate that’s what the media make you think but there are genuine refugees mixed up in the home office mess. Whilst I’d be hacked off if I’d book in and was asked to move it’s hardly inhumane. yes I want strong controls, before they set off and quick and efficient vetting which would / should take place nearer the entry points but there are genuine vulnerable people mixed up in this farce. No of course I don't think that - but they are certainly the majority at this moment in time My point is refugees have been demonised and become akin to ‘illegal immigrants’ with locals reacting to news of them being put up in Hotels as ‘the majority will be Albanian men’ ….. We’ve got the Home Office, Boarder Control and the police to sort them out on entry rather than the current plan of sticking your head in the sand waiting til it’s a crisis then panic management. I personally thing having the Rwandan experiment put in hold has resulted in inaction for months and ‘sulking’ by our last 2 Home Secretary’s hence the cancelling of more hotels contracts and overcrowding in detention centres. Now under pressure they’ll make the wrong decisions………. Again. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 9, 2022 14:57:41 GMT 1
the whole system is a mess and needs root and branch reform , to seperate the economic migrants from the people fleeing wars and genuine persecution , it is far to easy to demonize the immigrants, the press are hypocritical they ramp up the hysteria and when the goverment do put somthing in place they scream it is a violation of there human rights. it is very difficult to know what is the truth but personally i see no reason why we should accept people from stable countrys such as Albania.they should be fast tracked for deportation. www.migrationwatchuk.org/ |
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Post by Minormorris64 on Nov 9, 2022 16:25:03 GMT 1
the whole system is a mess and needs root and branch reform , to seperate the economic migrants from the people fleeing wars and genuine persecution , it is far to easy to demonize the immigrants, the press are hypocritical they ramp up the hysteria and when the goverment do put somthing in place they scream it is a violation of there human rights. it is very difficult to know what is the truth but personally i see no reason why we should accept people from stable countrys such as Albania.they should be fast tracked for deportation. www.migrationwatchuk.org/Have a listen, File on 4 last night www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001dx77 |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 9, 2022 17:34:17 GMT 1
the whole system is a mess and needs root and branch reform , to seperate the economic migrants from the people fleeing wars and genuine persecution , it is far to easy to demonize the immigrants, the press are hypocritical they ramp up the hysteria and when the goverment do put somthing in place they scream it is a violation of there human rights. it is very difficult to know what is the truth but personally i see no reason why we should accept people from stable countrys such as Albania.they should be fast tracked for deportation. www.migrationwatchuk.org/Have a listen, File on 4 last night www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001dx77thanks i will |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 13, 2022 11:47:34 GMT 1
I wonder if we’re allowed to use the word invasion yet, on a Rememberance weekend seeing the Albanian flag draped over Churchill and central London brought to a standstill…
RIP to our fallen. Shame so many are letting you down now
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 13, 2022 19:52:57 GMT 1
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Nov 13, 2022 23:47:32 GMT 1
very helpful of the French authorities.😂😂😂 |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 14, 2022 11:40:07 GMT 1
More fun in store when Border Force possibly go on strike.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 14, 2022 12:32:34 GMT 1
Time for government to listen to the people who do the work, the border forces - those that turn away potential migrants every day in France only for them to try again and again - the French don't care. We might need to do the processing in France for them - whatever is needed, just consult our people on the ground doing the work. Flying over in a Chinnock just isn't enough...
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 14, 2022 17:57:48 GMT 1
Have you seen the new tactics?
The migrant boats pickup 10 meters out to see, French police can't enforce French law "at sea" ...
Just pathetic, shoot holes in the boats before they attempt to leave and stop p**sing about.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 14, 2022 22:10:04 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/14/more-patrols-promised-as-uk-and-france-sign-channel-deal-to-curb-migrationConservative MPs have joined unions and refugee groups in condemning a £63m deal signed by Suella Braverman with her French counterpart to reduce the number of people attempting to cross the Channel in small boats. Natalie Elphicke, the member for Dover, and Tim Loughton, a senior home affairs select committee member, questioned whether the bilateral agreement will do enough to address a surge of new arrivals after it failed to establish joint patrols or guarantee that people smugglers are detained. The deal’s lukewarm reception followed Rishi Sunak claiming he was “confident” that the number of Channel crossings would fall but refusing to guarantee it would happen next year.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 14, 2022 22:14:00 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/14/more-of-the-same-uk-french-deal-fails-to-address-causes-behind-crossingsThe deal has not addressed one of the main drivers of demand for small boat crossings: a lack of legal routes for those who wish to apply for asylum in the UK, forcing many to seek irregular routes instead. And it has not focused on the huge internal pressure on the asylum system – the backlog of more than 100,000 outstanding asylum claims waiting to be processed or the £7m a day bill for hotels where many claimants reside. But the government has not managed to get what it sought – UK officers with enforcement powers on the ground in Calais and Dunkirk, cracking down on inflatable dinghies. Instead, as the deal itself points out, UK officials will be there “without prejudice to sovereignty” to “increase joint understanding of the threat through first-hand observations”. So UK border force officers will watch their French counterparts at work, but can do little else.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 14, 2022 22:46:47 GMT 1
Cassic take no notice of good people wanting to do a good job that has been going on for years. Who knows better what is wanted than those trying to defend our borders?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 16, 2022 9:20:28 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/14/more-of-the-same-uk-french-deal-fails-to-address-causes-behind-crossingsThe deal has not addressed one of the main drivers of demand for small boat crossings: a lack of legal routes for those who wish to apply for asylum in the UK, forcing many to seek irregular routes instead. And it has not focused on the huge internal pressure on the asylum system – the backlog of more than 100,000 outstanding asylum claims waiting to be processed or the £7m a day bill for hotels where many claimants reside. But the government has not managed to get what it sought – UK officers with enforcement powers on the ground in Calais and Dunkirk, cracking down on inflatable dinghies. Instead, as the deal itself points out, UK officials will be there “without prejudice to sovereignty” to “increase joint understanding of the threat through first-hand observations”. So UK border force officers will watch their French counterparts at work, but can do little else. it is not worth the paper it is writen on. and i cant see how it will have any impact on hte numbers coming in |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 22, 2022 12:02:53 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/22/manston-asylum-centre-empty-home-office-kentManston asylum centre, the troubled Home Office site in Kent where people arriving in the UK in small boats are taken for initial checks, is understood to be completely empty, the Guardian has learned. Just a few weeks ago about 4,000 arrivals were placed there by the Home Office, almost three times the maximum 1,600 capacity of the tented site in Ramsgate. The news comes after a series of controversies at the site including drug-selling by guards, outbreaks of infectious diseases such as diphtheria, the stranding of asylum seekers in central London after their release from Manston, and the death of an asylum seeker placed there on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 21:59:57 GMT 1
As Home Secretary, if you can’t answer how things currently work how the hell can you be expected to improve things.
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