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Post by edgmond on Nov 24, 2022 0:47:10 GMT 1
As Home Secretary, if you can’t answer how things currently work how the hell can you be expected to improve things. Sadly predictable. She is just the latest in a line of talentless cronies given top jobs in government, in this case as a result of a deal to prevent the return of Johnson. I suppose we can thank her for that, at least, but the country is paying a high price for this serial incompetence. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2022 7:50:13 GMT 1
As Home Secretary, if you can’t answer how things currently work how the hell can you be expected to improve things. What is really frustrating is that it took a Tory MP to ask the bloody obvious question. |
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 24, 2022 9:26:22 GMT 1
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 24, 2022 10:29:15 GMT 1
The silly thing is there is actually an answer to the question of why the current system (get here by any means and apply for asylum as soon as you arrive) is in place. Continuing the MP's scenario, if the 16 year old orphan were in a genocide situation (based on the "religious persecution" comment), how likely are they to want to announce their intentions before leaving? At that point you stow away in a luggage hold or jump on a little boat or do whatever you can to get out before they hunt you down. There's sadly always going to be a need for provision for people who've had to flea like this. Doubtlessly, we should improve more formal procedures but if Cruella knew even a small bit about her job she'd know that that's the answer in that scenario. All of this debate is effectively pointless because the reality is if we had a properly staffed and funded border force and sufficient facilities to house people in whilst their claims were processed (all of which we could probably afford for 50% of what the government is spending on hotels in slum seaside resorts) then this wouldn't even be a news item. As it is though, it will take several years to reverse the damage done by austerity. |
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 24, 2022 11:11:29 GMT 1
The silly thing is there is actually an answer to the question of why the current system (get here by any means and apply for asylum as soon as you arrive) is in place. Continuing the MP's scenario, if the 16 year old orphan were in a genocide situation (based on the "religious persecution" comment), how likely are they to want to announce their intentions before leaving? At that point you stow away in a luggage hold or jump on a little boat or do whatever you can to get out before they hunt you down. There's sadly always going to be a need for provision for people who've had to flea like this. Doubtlessly, we should improve more formal procedures but if Cruella knew even a small bit about her job she'd know that that's the answer in that scenario. All of this debate is effectively pointless because the reality is if we had a properly staffed and funded border force and sufficient facilities to house people in whilst their claims were processed (all of which we could probably afford for 50% of what the government is spending on hotels in slum seaside resorts) then this wouldn't even be a news item. As it is though, it will take several years to reverse the damage done by austerity. But there are things that can be done straight away under current schemes in place especially the Family Reunion Scheme. www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/get-involved/campaign-with-us/safe-routes-save-futures/Safe Routes Save Futures The Government needs to increase the availability of Refugee Family Reunion, Refugee Resettlement and Humanitarian visas. Instead, it is trying to decrease the availability of these vital routes while also discriminating against those who make their own way here. As compassionate people, we should be focused on safe routes and a warm welcome for refugees NOT criminalisation and cruelty. Tragically, many women, men and children lost their lives crossing the Channel last year. Yet the Government has failed to provide safe alternatives and continues to erode the limited safe routes that already exist. For the vast majority of refugees, there is no safe way for them to seek asylum in the UK. What are the safe routes for refugees and their families to get to the UK? Sometimes safe routes for refugees are referred to as ‘safe and legal routes’ or ‘official routes’. We refer to them as safe routes, as the alternative is to travel in an irregular manner to claim asylum in the UK, while this can be dangerous, claiming asylum is not illegal. There are three main safe routes to the UK for refugees and their families: 1. Refugee family reunion Refugee Family Reunion provides a safe way for family members to join someone who has already been granted refugee status in the UK. The Government’s Nationality and Borders Bill will all but destroy this vital route out of conflict for women and children. Over the last five years as many as 29,000 people have been able to come to the UK safely under refugee family reunion, over 90% of whom were women and children. New rules for asylum will severely restrict refugee family reunion. 2. Refugee resettlement Refugee resettlement is the transfer of refugees from an initial country of asylum. Resettlement to the UK nearly ground to a halt during the height of the Covid pandemic in 2020. A new resettlement scheme introduced in 2021 has no targets attached. Furthermore, a scheme announced in August 2021 specifically for Afghans didn’t launch until January 2022, and then only for those already evacuated to the UK. We are calling for a commitment to the resettlement of 10,000 refugees a year. 3. Humanitarian visas We need a humanitarian visa system to allow people to apply for visas to enter the UK for the purposes of claiming asylum. People can only claim asylum in the UK when they are physically here, which is why people are crossing the Channel to reach the UK. It doesn’t have to be this way – humanitarian visas would enable people in need of protection to travel to the UK in a safe manner. If the Government is serious about saving lives and tackling smuggling gangs, it must invest in expanding safe routes for refugees to get to the UK. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 24, 2022 11:33:24 GMT 1
The question has been asked before, many times - it's that Tory MPs are asking it that it is new.
In a way it's a bit unfair on Braverman, being new to the job, so new that she had to take a Chinnock ride to see what is going on. Austerity took it's tole, then Priti Patel made a complete pig's ear of the job before making a swift exit.
This mess took years to accumulate, expertise should be within the border force and immigration teams, but, even now, they are just recruiting cheap, training cheap, and not building up a high morale valued team right through the whole hierarchy. Tories are trending that way with teachers, the NHS, etc.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 24, 2022 11:37:02 GMT 1
The UK has seen the highest Net Migration since WWII, 500,000!
A total failure of the Tories and what their voters in 2019 voted for.
Asdie from politics and personal opinion on immigration, that is a simply unsustainable number in one year on public services in this Country.
They are toast
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 24, 2022 12:08:59 GMT 1
The UK has seen the highest Net Migration since WWII, 500,000! A total failure of the Tories and what their voters in 2019 voted for. Asdie from politics and personal opinion on immigration, that is a simply unsustainable number in one year on public services in this Country. They are toast Only a small percentage arrived by illegal means. The majority is made up of Ukranians, Hong Kong UK passport holders and legitimate entrants due to the withdrawal from Afghanistan. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 24, 2022 12:21:36 GMT 1
The UK has seen the highest Net Migration since WWII, 500,000! A total failure of the Tories and what their voters in 2019 voted for. Asdie from politics and personal opinion on immigration, that is a simply unsustainable number in one year on public services in this Country. They are toast Unsustainable is a population pyramid collapse brought on by a rapidly aging population. |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 24, 2022 13:11:49 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/24/uk-net-migration-figures-record-onsNet migration to the UK has reached a record level of 504,000 after the arrival of Ukrainians and Hong Kongers under government schemes and a jump in the number of international students. Asylum applications are the highest for 32 years, but nearly 100,000 people are waiting more than six months to have their initial claims processed, official government data shows. The new net migration figure released by the Office for National Statistics is an increase of 331,000 in a single year and is at least 400,000 more than the home secretary, Suella Braverman, is aiming for. She promised in September she would try to get overall migration down to “tens of thousands”. It comes just days after the prime minister, Rishi Sunak, pledged to cut overall migration – a promise previously made by David Cameron and Theresa May but never achieved. About 504,000 more people are estimated to have moved to the UK than left in the 12 months to June 2022, up sharply from 173,000 in the year to June 2021. The total is significantly higher than the 224,000 projected for next year by the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR).
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Post by ProudSalopian on Nov 24, 2022 13:54:27 GMT 1
The UK has seen the highest Net Migration since WWII, 500,000! A total failure of the Tories and what their voters in 2019 voted for. Asdie from politics and personal opinion on immigration, that is a simply unsustainable number in one year on public services in this Country. They are toast Only a small percentage arrived by illegal means. The majority is made up of Ukranians, Hong Kong UK passport holders and legitimate entrants due to the withdrawal from Afghanistan. 73k have applied for asylum according to the BBC. That's a small percentage overall (of the 1.1million who arrived), however that's still a town the size of Shrewsbury. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 24, 2022 14:06:27 GMT 1
Only a small percentage arrived by illegal means. The majority is made up of Ukranians, Hong Kong UK passport holders and legitimate entrants due to the withdrawal from Afghanistan. 73k have applied for asylum according to the BBC. That's a small percentage overall (of the 1.1million who arrived), however that's still a town the size of Shrewsbury. Then you take away those that would have been rejected by now if the system worked and it's getting down to an even smaller percentage. |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 27, 2022 11:39:19 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/27/child-asylum-seekers-detained-as-adults-after-uk-home-office-alters-birth-datesThe Home Office is routinely changing the dates of birth of unaccompanied child asylum seekers to classify them as adults, according to experts who say the practice is now happening on a “horrifying scale”. As a result, many children are being wrongly sent to the notorious Home Office site at Manston in Kent, the experts warn, and detained in unsafe conditions for up to several weeks. The Refugee Council said interviews with 16 children released from Manston revealed that even in the cases of some boys who had identity documents stating they were children, the Home Office changed their dates of birth to make them over 18. Manston was emptied last week following a series of controversies at the site, including overcrowding, allegations of drug selling by guards, asylum seekers being left stranded in central London after their release from the centre, and outbreaks of infectious diseases, such as diphtheria.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 28, 2022 12:12:50 GMT 1
on a local level i saw on todays Shropshire star , that an Oswestry hotel has also started to take in immigrants all rather inevitable once our council gave the green light and we can expect this to be the norm in all the towns across shropshire.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 29, 2022 8:23:06 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 29, 2022 10:22:44 GMT 1
well i hope they enjpyed there Independance day and the police took all there number plates and fined them.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Dec 9, 2022 7:57:19 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11519081/Police-evacuate-Shrewsbury-hotel-housing-migrants.html"Police evacuate 16th-Century boutique hotel housing asylum seekers following 'an incident' Police evacuated the Grade I Lion Hotel in Shrewsbury following an incident Officers also cleared neighbouring businesses and homes during the alert The 16th century former coaching inn started housing migrants last month Police have not confirmed the reason behind last night's dramatic evacuation Police have evacuated a Grade I-listed boutique hotel housing migrants following an incident, it has been confirmed. West Mercia Police established a cordon around The Lion Hotel in Shrewsbury and evacuated the building which is taking part in a Government-backed scheme to house asylum seekers. The 16th Century former coaching inn was cleared by officers as well as businesses and homes in the immediate vicinity. "
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Post by zenfootball2 on Dec 9, 2022 8:27:44 GMT 1
news reports are now saying a bomb threat was reported hence the evcuation
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Post by frankwellshrews on Dec 9, 2022 11:08:06 GMT 1
news reports are now saying a bomb threat was reported hence the evcuation Got off the train and was waiting for a lift and saw police blocking traffic from going round the one way system at the bottom of castle street around 6 30pm. My dad lives on Newport Place (Dogpole, opposite Cromwells) and says he was told it was a bomb threat and some people living at the Coach House (the one on stilts opposite the HiFi place a bit closer to Wyle Cop) were evacuated. |
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Dec 9, 2022 21:01:48 GMT 1
Nice and discrete, no wonder they have a bad reputation. |
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Post by northwestman on Dec 12, 2022 11:50:34 GMT 1
Where there's an asylum seeker, there's money to be made. This development doesn't surprise me in the slightest: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11522837/Opportunistic-investors-buy-cheap-buildings-house-asylum-seekers.htmlInvestors are raking in millions of pounds a year from the taxpayer by buying run-down hotels to turn them into migrant hostels, the Mail can reveal. One ‘opportunistic’ firm stands to make up to £11million a year after buying four hotels. The companies have been accused of taking advantage of Covid lockdowns – which decimated the tourism industry – to pick up hotels cheaply. They are then closed to the public before being handed over to Serco, the private company responsible for housing the hundreds of migrants who arrive in Britain every day. The Home Office pays up to £150 a night per migrant. One of the owners of a number of these hotels, Mr Payman, grew up in Albania before moving to the UK and still retains strong business ties to Albania. You couldn't make it up! |
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Post by northwestman on Dec 14, 2022 11:27:55 GMT 1
Rishi Sunak got a good reception from Conservative MPs, and the Fleet Street wing of the party, for the plans he unveiled yesterday to deal with small boat crossings, including legislation next year that would ban people who arrive illegally in the UK from applying for asylum. But after PMQs the Tory MP Jonathan Gullis will propose his asylum seekers (removal to safe countries) bill under the 10-minute rule procedure, a Commons rule that allows a backbencher to argue for a bill with a 10-minute speech in the middle of proceedings, even though it has almost no chance of becoming law.
The bill would allow the government to remove asylum seekers even if that is against the European convention on human rights, or other international law.
Why does that matter? Because when Sunak proposed his new legislation in the Commons yesterday, he refused to say whether he was willing to withdraw the UK from the European convention on human rights if that turned out to be the only means by which he could actually do what he said he wanted to do.
This is what some Tory Brexiters want (including Suella Braverman, the home secretary, who told the Tory conference that she personally favoured withdrawal from the EHCR). But other Tories regard the prospect with horror (not least because it would blow up the Good Friday agreement, which is based on the UK remaining party to the convention), and in his statement to MPs yesterday Sunak repeatedly dodged questions about whether he was prepared, if necessary, to withdraw from the convention, or other international treaties protecting the rights of refugees.
The Gullis bill will not become law. But MPs do sometimes vote on 10-minute rule motion, and it is thought there will be a vote today. Even if Gullis were to lose (as is likely), a division could enable him to show how many Tory MPs there are who support him – and who, by implication, want to see Sunak toughen his line on asylum still further.
And two of his backers are highly significant. Boris Johnson, the former PM, and Priti Patel, the former home secretary, are co-sponsors of the bill. Gullis told TalkTV last night that Johnson was “very pleased to back a bill that actually enacted what he and Priti had been working on side by side”
Other co-sponsors of the bill reportedly include Jacob Rees-Mogg, Nadine Dorries and Tim Loughton.
The Guardian.
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Post by servernaside on Dec 14, 2022 13:45:32 GMT 1
I think you'll find that most Albanians, those not already behind bars, are engaged in a multiplicity of criminal behaviour including, but not limited to drug trafficking, prostitution and money laundering.
Marvellous people!
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 15, 2022 16:44:01 GMT 1
I think you'll find that most Albanians, those not already behind bars, are engaged in a multiplicity of criminal behaviour including, but not limited to drug trafficking, prostitution and money laundering. Marvellous people! The % of Albanian prisoners compared to their % makeup of the population is quite astonishing. Whilst clearly all aren't criminals there's is a high criminal trend. |
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