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Post by martinshrew on Nov 4, 2022 16:28:06 GMT 1
A migrant who has a contact in this country has a good chance of evading immigration control currently, they just seem to want to be rid of you. But when you've evaded immigration control you are ripe for being exploited to illegally work here.
So it's no wonder they are coming. Call it what you will, but the fact that we are in this state after 12 years of Tory govrnment can only be blamed on 12 years of Tory government.
What was it that displaced so many Iraqi and Afghan nationals? Surely wouldn't be anything to do with an illegal war cooked up under Labour would it? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 4, 2022 16:35:19 GMT 1
A migrant who has a contact in this country has a good chance of evading immigration control currently, they just seem to want to be rid of you. But when you've evaded immigration control you are ripe for being exploited to illegally work here.
So it's no wonder they are coming. Call it what you will, but the fact that we are in this state after 12 years of Tory govrnment can only be blamed on 12 years of Tory government.
What was it that displaced so many Iraqi and Afghan nationals? Surely wouldn't be anything to do with an illegal war cooked up under Labour would it? Care to move into 2022! It seems we are talking about Albanians now. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 16:55:08 GMT 1
A migrant who has a contact in this country has a good chance of evading immigration control currently, they just seem to want to be rid of you. But when you've evaded immigration control you are ripe for being exploited to illegally work here.
So it's no wonder they are coming. Call it what you will, but the fact that we are in this state after 12 years of Tory govrnment can only be blamed on 12 years of Tory government.
What was it that displaced so many Iraqi and Afghan nationals? Surely wouldn't be anything to do with an illegal war cooked up under Labour would it? I've lost count of the times I have said on here that if the Tories had voted against it, it wouldn't have happened. There were 2 Conservative no votes and 17 abstentions, all the others voted in favour, as did the Northern Irish unionists. That 158 votes would have defeated the government. Yes Blair was wrong, very wrong, but to put all the blame on Labour is also wrong. Added to which do you fancy having a guess which Labour MPs were among those that voted no. JC, DA and JMc. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Nov 4, 2022 17:44:41 GMT 1
A migrant who has a contact in this country has a good chance of evading immigration control currently, they just seem to want to be rid of you. But when you've evaded immigration control you are ripe for being exploited to illegally work here.
So it's no wonder they are coming. Call it what you will, but the fact that we are in this state after 12 years of Tory govrnment can only be blamed on 12 years of Tory government.
What was it that displaced so many Iraqi and Afghan nationals? Surely wouldn't be anything to do with an illegal war cooked up under Labour would it? Since when was the Afghan war illegal. Get your facts right. It was approved by the UN Security Council. Iraq was a different matter but was quite possibly covered by previous UN Resolutions. |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 4, 2022 20:21:29 GMT 1
Cameron has a lot to answer for too. www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/14/mps-deliver-damning-verdict-on-camerons-libya-interventionDavid Cameron’s intervention in Libya was carried out with no proper intelligence analysis, drifted into an unannounced goal of regime change and shirked its moral responsibility to help reconstruct the country following the fall of Muammar Gaddafi, according to a scathing report by the foreign affairs select committee. The failures led to the country becoming a failed a state on the verge of all-out civil war, the report adds. The report, the product of a parliamentary equivalent of the Chilcot inquiry into the Iraq war, closely echoes the criticisms widely made of Tony Blair’s intervention in Iraq. |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 4, 2022 20:25:41 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 4, 2022 21:38:55 GMT 1
Cameron has a lot to answer for too. www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/14/mps-deliver-damning-verdict-on-camerons-libya-interventionDavid Cameron’s intervention in Libya was carried out with no proper intelligence analysis, drifted into an unannounced goal of regime change and shirked its moral responsibility to help reconstruct the country following the fall of Muammar Gaddafi, according to a scathing report by the foreign affairs select committee. The failures led to the country becoming a failed a state on the verge of all-out civil war, the report adds. The report, the product of a parliamentary equivalent of the Chilcot inquiry into the Iraq war, closely echoes the criticisms widely made of Tony Blair’s intervention in Iraq. Quite right, another war mongering idiot. Add to Blair, another illegal war loving scumbag. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 4, 2022 23:47:28 GMT 1
Disciplined? When is their court case coming up? |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 5, 2022 11:55:44 GMT 1
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 5, 2022 11:57:26 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 13:31:05 GMT 1
The sort of people we don't want in our country. How did so many of them get hold of weapons in the first place? |
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Post by northwestman on Nov 5, 2022 19:06:28 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/05/border-force-union-joins-legal-action-over-conditions-at-manston-asylum-centreA trade union that represents many Home Office staff is joining a legal action against the home secretary over “horrendous, inhumane and dangerous” conditions at the Manston processing centre for people arriving in the country by small boat. The Public and Commercial Services union (PCS), the UK’s largest union for civil servants, counts among its members Border Force staff, enforcement officers and caseworkers making decisions about whether to detain small boat arrivals. Speaking about the Manston legal challenge, the PCS head of bargaining, Paul O’Connor, said: “We’re taking this action because conditions at Manston are desperate and a disgrace. We cannot and will not countenance our members and detainees being subjected to these horrendous, inhumane and dangerous conditions. “We’re aware of detainees sleeping in cold, overcrowded marquees on the floor without bedding; of incidents of violence including at least one incident of sexual violence; of self-harm and suicide attempts; of filthy toilets; of appalling sanitation; of infectious disease spreading due to conditions; and of people going hungry. The home secretary is acting outside the law, as her own minister acknowledges, and there are, we believe, many detainees now held illegally at Manston.” He added: “Our members are seriously concerned they’re being required to act unlawfully by the home secretary and that they are themselves at risk in the chaotic and lawless environment that has developed at Manston due to the catastrophic failures of the home secretary.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 6, 2022 18:29:33 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Nov 7, 2022 11:24:29 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/07/tories-myth-migrant-crisis-brexit-immigration-centreThe government is keen to stress the recent increase in Channel crossings, yet asylum applications are half what they were 20 years ago. The real and only cause of the debacle at Manston and other failing centres is this: the number of asylum applications processed within six months has fallen from almost 90% to about 4%. It’s not that more people are arriving than ever before, it’s that more of them aren’t being processed, and so are stuck in the asylum system for years. Efficiency has been dropping sharply since 2014, one year after Theresa May established the “hostile environment” and in the middle of George Osborne’s austerity programme. The intersection of those two forces created an underfunded, cruel Home Office, and with it Britain’s immigration “crisis”. The government’s failure to maintain living standards and public infrastructure, from health to housing, can be disguised by presenting migrants as a constant drain on those resources.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 7, 2022 11:47:05 GMT 1
Braverman doesn't seem to be much better, but this situation didn't happen overnight. No wonder Priti Patel didn't want to carry on - she failed completely and got out before people pointed the finger at her.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 7, 2022 21:12:35 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 8, 2022 9:41:51 GMT 1
That's the way it needs to go now, certainly with anyone Albanian. Straight off the boat, quick medical check over, blanket, sandwich and straight onto a plane. |
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 8, 2022 9:54:49 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 8, 2022 9:56:42 GMT 1
Thousands upon thousands of young men or working age.
Make no mistake, this is high scale economic migration, nothing more nothing less.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 8, 2022 10:42:28 GMT 1
Make no mistake, this is a failure of our Home Secretaries over the last few years. Being confrontational with the French and not getting arrangements worked out, restricting legal means for genuine applicants to get here, allowing processing times to slip to unacceptable lengths, failing to realise that given good weather large numbers would turn up in boats.
None of this has happened overnight, if the situation had been properly handled we would not now be having to house migrants in insecure hotel accomodation. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 11:19:50 GMT 1
Hopefully the reports are accurate and the face to face meeting between Sunak and Macron has actually progressed the issue - there could be a benefit to him actually going to COP after all
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 8, 2022 12:17:29 GMT 1
Anyone know which hotel this is? |
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Post by kp on Nov 8, 2022 12:51:55 GMT 1
Some elements of the press seem keen to ramp up the pressuer www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11385529/New-map-shows-people-area-born-abroad-immigrant-population-passes-10m.html"How many people were born abroad in YOUR area? Map reveals percentage of immigrant population for every local authority in England and Wales as total passes 10m for the first time - up 2.5m in decade There has been a 2.5million rise in the number of foreign-born people living in England and Wales in 10 years The number of Romanians now living in England and Wales has swelled from 80,000 to 539,000 since 2011 The increase in Romanians followed the lifting of working restrictions across the European Union in 2014 India remains the most common country of birth outside the UK - with 925,000 making up 1.5% of population " The comments section is a sewer... I think it is likely that the immigrants are nicer people than those in the comments section. |
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Post by kp on Nov 8, 2022 12:55:13 GMT 1
She's blaming it on the unsafe conditions these people are being housed in and she's not the only one; Waltham Forest Council were also highly critical of the arrangements. If it were my son I'd be fuming that adequate safeguarding arrangements weren't being made and ultimately the ruling party, that's been responsible for a decade of swinging budget cuts, has to bare a big share of the responsibility, regardless of how much that triggers you. Trust me, if it were my son the very last thing on my mind would be "oh no, I do hope nobody says anything that might, if you try as hard as you possibly be can to be offended, make the tories look bad@" The only thing that triggers me is these type of people are being housed at the tax payers expense, it’s a disgrace. I note said bloke has been bailed, unbelieavble! To blame anybody but the scum bag who did this is crazy, but I suppose I shouldn’t expect anything different from the awful Abbott. An apologist for a rapist, just terrible 'These types of people' Nice. |
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Post by kp on Nov 8, 2022 13:22:48 GMT 1
Thousands upon thousands of young men or working age. Make no mistake, this is high scale economic migration, nothing more nothing less. Which would explain why it is allowed... |
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 8, 2022 13:24:34 GMT 1
Anyone know which hotel this is? If I was a betting man I’d go for The Prince Rupert. The only hotel with full occupancy during COVID. |
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 8, 2022 15:26:51 GMT 1
The only thing that triggers me is these type of people are being housed at the tax payers expense, it’s a disgrace. I note said bloke has been bailed, unbelieavble! To blame anybody but the scum bag who did this is crazy, but I suppose I shouldn’t expect anything different from the awful Abbott. An apologist for a rapist, just terrible 'These types of people' Nice. Yes, foreign men who have come from safe countries, should not be housed at luxury hotels at the tax payers expense They should be sent on the first plane our boat back out of here |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 8, 2022 15:27:03 GMT 1
Some elements of the press seem keen to ramp up the pressuer www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11385529/New-map-shows-people-area-born-abroad-immigrant-population-passes-10m.html"How many people were born abroad in YOUR area? Map reveals percentage of immigrant population for every local authority in England and Wales as total passes 10m for the first time - up 2.5m in decade There has been a 2.5million rise in the number of foreign-born people living in England and Wales in 10 years The number of Romanians now living in England and Wales has swelled from 80,000 to 539,000 since 2011 The increase in Romanians followed the lifting of working restrictions across the European Union in 2014 India remains the most common country of birth outside the UK - with 925,000 making up 1.5% of population " The comments section is a sewer... I think it is likely that the immigrants are nicer people than those in the comments section. I completely agree unfortently imigration was a factor in a swing to the right in Sweden,Austria ,Hungary , Italy, with a much tougher aproach from Denmark and "With 41.5% of the vote, unprecedented for her, Le Pen’s anti-foreigner, anti-system politics of disgruntlement apnews.com/article/immigration-religion-france-elections-presidential-a63b8815ce42892308ed5df0315f6def |
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 8, 2022 15:38:38 GMT 1
'These types of people' Nice. Yes, foreign men who have come from safe countries, should not be housed at luxury hotels at the tax payers expense They should be sent on the first plane our boat back out of here Of course they shouldn't be housed at luxery hotels at the taxpayers expense. But whose fault is that? Could it be the Home Office, who haven't managed to stop the little boats coming over by negotiation with France, the failure to process applications in good time and the lack of provision of migrant accomodation after they let the vetting process times slide. |
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