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Post by davycrockett on Oct 26, 2022 10:27:46 GMT 1
Was going to mention last time you bought it up. Forgetting the rights and wrongs of the war the decision was put to parliament. Public generally were against the war but the vote was interesting…. Labour ….For 254 Against 84 Abstained 69 62% of Labour MPs voted for the war Tories ….For 146 Against 2 Abstained 17 88% of Tory MPs voted for the war Lib Dems For. 0 Against 52 Abstained 1 0% of Lib Dems voted for the war Lib Dems we’re the only party against the war Although Blair took us to war and rightly received the blame (he was PM) it was fully supported by the Tories, in-fact they would have stopped the war by voting against. that's why i don't vote tory that's why i don't vote labour that why i ask those who don't vote tory why they vote labour the penny is finally dropping Your personal stance is admirable but if everyone followed your morals there’d be chaos so sometimes you have to look at who’d do the best job for the country without looking too far back in History. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 26, 2022 10:46:10 GMT 1
that's why i don't vote tory that's why i don't vote labour that why i ask those who don't vote tory why they vote labour the penny is finally dropping Your personal stance is admirable but if everyone followed your morals there’d be chaos so sometimes you have to look at who’d do the best job for the country without looking too far back in History. but when someone is moaning about a potential data protection leak and at the same time ignoring the murder of over a million innocent people it really sums up how hypocritical some are when it comes to politics |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 26, 2022 10:58:17 GMT 1
Since she was Home Secretary, rather than Foreign Sectretary, maybe not so important. But, given current tensions with Russia, there is a possibilty that a data protection leak could cost a million lives - you have to live in the here and now where we are only minor steps away from World War 3.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 26, 2022 11:00:45 GMT 1
that's why i don't vote tory that's why i don't vote labour that why i ask those who don't vote tory why they vote labour the penny is finally dropping Your personal stance is admirable but if everyone followed your morals there’d be chaos so sometimes you have to look at who’d do the best job for the country without looking too far back in History. true but some issues generate such strong feelings that you dont forget . we are still living with the legacy of the wars we fought in, with veterans with life changing injuries , veterans with long term mental health problems, the death and destruction in each country and the billions wasted pluse the destabalized regions for a war that i and many others did not fel justified or right. if we had had a refrendum on that i think the majority would have voted no, anyone with even a superficial knowledge of history would know it would not end well. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 26, 2022 11:05:10 GMT 1
Since she was Home Secretary, rather than Foreign Sectretary, maybe not so important. But, given current tensions with Russia, there is a possibilty that a data protection leak could cost a million lives - you have to live in the here and now where we are only minor steps away from World War 3. "could" is the key word the previous government " did" |
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 26, 2022 11:21:35 GMT 1
A few on the thread seem to take issue with female MPs, god forbid a female of colour.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2022 11:57:23 GMT 1
Since she was Home Secretary, rather than Foreign Sectretary, maybe not so important. But, given current tensions with Russia, there is a possibilty that a data protection leak could cost a million lives - you have to live in the here and now where we are only minor steps away from World War 3. "could" is the key word the previous government " did" Semantics perhaps, but the previous government was the one ran by Liz Truss up until yesterday. The late Queen and King Charles have invited many Conservative leaders to form new governments since Tony Blair. |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 26, 2022 12:09:29 GMT 1
Your personal stance is admirable but if everyone followed your morals there’d be chaos so sometimes you have to look at who’d do the best job for the country without looking too far back in History. true but some issues generate such strong feelings that you dont forget . we are still living with the legacy of the wars we fought in, with veterans with life changing injuries , veterans with long term mental health problems, the death and destruction in each country and the billions wasted pluse the destabalized regions for a war that i and many others did not fel justified or right. if we had had a refrendum on that i think the majority would have voted no, anyone with even a superficial knowledge of history would know it would not end well. I agree but my point was you can’t hold political grudges for ever otherwise we wouldn’t progress. The public trusted both Labour and Tories politicians to make political decisions for them but they inadvertently made the wrong decision based on American influences. Are we blaming Neville Chamberlain for the millions of wounded and injured soldiers in WW2? No because the public felt the war was justified. Not enough due diligence was done with the Iraq war but politicians were convinced they held WMDs and could press the button at any time…. Turns out unjustified but no one knew for sure. I think the answer is vote for the local MP that’s going to serve you best and forgive some party decisions. The good people of North Shropshire did this and seem happy with an effective Lib Dem MP although the last time they were in power (the coalition government) they immediately broke their manifesto pledge to bring in Tuition Fees and many Lib Dems said they’d never vote for them again. (I’m not comparing broken manifestos with millions of deaths) |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 26, 2022 12:23:04 GMT 1
"could" is the key word the previous government " did" Semantics perhaps, but the previous government was the one ran by Liz Truss up until yesterday. The late Queen and King Charles have invited many Conservative leaders to form new governments since Tony Blair. just for you , i meant the previous labour government , i don't think truss murdered anyone but herself |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 26, 2022 12:34:05 GMT 1
A few on the thread seem to take issue with female MPs, god forbid a female of colour. Someone may need to remind the tolerant left it's 2022. It's just you that is singling out female MPs or females of colour. The tolerant left are singling out rightwingers, whatever their age, sex, creed, class, colour. |
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Post by kp on Oct 26, 2022 12:37:39 GMT 1
what are you thoughts on labour getting back in after the shambles of the iraq war ? Was going to mention last time you bought it up. Forgetting the rights and wrongs of the war the decision was put to parliament. Public generally were against the war but the vote was interesting…. Labour ….For 254 Against 84 Abstained 69 62% of Labour MPs voted for the war Tories ….For 146 Against 2 Abstained 17 88% of Tory MPs voted for the war Lib Dems For. 0 Against 52 Abstained 1 0% of Lib Dems voted for the war Lib Dems we’re the only party against the war Although Blair took us to war and rightly received the blame (he was PM) it was fully supported by the Tories, in-fact they would have stopped the war by voting against. Tories always make me smile when they bring up Labour and Iraq. 1) Labour under Blair were Tory Lite and Thatcher even named Blair as her greatest achievement. 2) The Tories know for an absolute fact that had they been in power at the time we still would have attacked Iraq. Lets not call it a war. Shock and Awe. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 26, 2022 12:39:33 GMT 1
Since she was Home Secretary, rather than Foreign Sectretary, maybe not so important. But, given current tensions with Russia, there is a possibilty that a data protection leak could cost a million lives - you have to live in the here and now where we are only minor steps away from World War 3. "could" is the key word the previous government " did" Yes, "could" is the key word - it means something can still be done about it. Before an insecure message, email, secure document at home or whatever provides useful information to a foreign power on, say, how the UK would combat an attempt to poison a reservoir in this country. |
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Post by kp on Oct 26, 2022 12:42:24 GMT 1
Was going to mention last time you bought it up. Forgetting the rights and wrongs of the war the decision was put to parliament. Public generally were against the war but the vote was interesting…. Labour ….For 254 Against 84 Abstained 69 62% of Labour MPs voted for the war Tories ….For 146 Against 2 Abstained 17 88% of Tory MPs voted for the war Lib Dems For. 0 Against 52 Abstained 1 0% of Lib Dems voted for the war Lib Dems we’re the only party against the war Although Blair took us to war and rightly received the blame (he was PM) it was fully supported by the Tories, in-fact they would have stopped the war by voting against. that's why i don't vote tory that's why i don't vote labour that why i ask those who don't vote tory why they vote labour the penny is finally dropping Corbyn voted against and was trying to lead an anti war coalition. Why don't you ever ask those who don't vote labour why they vote tory, after all, it is the tory that has been in power for over a decade. Let me guess, for balance? In a country that elected a tory government on a landslide and has an entrenched right wing media and mindset...you provide balance by questioning the minority? How very tory of you. |
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Post by kp on Oct 26, 2022 12:47:00 GMT 1
true but some issues generate such strong feelings that you dont forget . we are still living with the legacy of the wars we fought in, with veterans with life changing injuries , veterans with long term mental health problems, the death and destruction in each country and the billions wasted pluse the destabalized regions for a war that i and many others did not fel justified or right. if we had had a refrendum on that i think the majority would have voted no, anyone with even a superficial knowledge of history would know it would not end well. I agree but my point was you can’t hold political grudges for ever otherwise we wouldn’t progress. The public trusted both Labour and Tories politicians to make political decisions for them but they inadvertently made the wrong decision based on American influences. Are we blaming Neville Chamberlain for the millions of wounded and injured soldiers in WW2? No because the public felt the war was justified. Not enough due diligence was done with the Iraq war but politicians were convinced they held WMDs and could press the button at any time…. Turns out unjustified but no one knew for sure. I think the answer is vote for the local MP that’s going to serve you best and forgive some party decisions. The good people of North Shropshire did this and seem happy with an effective Lib Dem MP although the last time they were in power (the coalition government) they immediately broke their manifesto pledge to bring in Tuition Fees and many Lib Dems said they’d never vote for them again. (I’m not comparing broken manifestos with millions of deaths) Oh they knew alright. The contracts to divide the oil fields were drawn up before Iraq was attacked. WAR IS A RACKET MAJOR GENERAL SMEDLEY D BUTLER. |
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Post by kp on Oct 26, 2022 12:48:44 GMT 1
Semantics perhaps, but the previous government was the one ran by Liz Truss up until yesterday. The late Queen and King Charles have invited many Conservative leaders to form new governments since Tony Blair. just for you , i meant the previous labour government , i don't think truss murdered anyone but herself And yet a greater percentage of Tory MPs voted in favour of attacking Iraq than did Labour and the Anti War Coalition was led by a Labour MP. Jeremy Corbyn. Always on the right side of history. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 26, 2022 13:00:17 GMT 1
that's why i don't vote tory that's why i don't vote labour that why i ask those who don't vote tory why they vote labour the penny is finally dropping Corbyn voted against and was trying to lead an anti war coalition. Why don't you ever ask those who don't vote labour why they vote tory, after all, it is the tory that has been in power for over a decade. Let me guess, for balance? In a country that elected a tory government on a landslide and has an entrenched right wing media and mindset...you provide balance by questioning the minority? How very tory of you. how very blue and amber of you any specific tory voter on here you want me to ask ? or shall i invent one for you ? |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 26, 2022 13:26:55 GMT 1
I agree but my point was you can’t hold political grudges for ever otherwise we wouldn’t progress. The public trusted both Labour and Tories politicians to make political decisions for them but they inadvertently made the wrong decision based on American influences. Are we blaming Neville Chamberlain for the millions of wounded and injured soldiers in WW2? No because the public felt the war was justified. Not enough due diligence was done with the Iraq war but politicians were convinced they held WMDs and could press the button at any time…. Turns out unjustified but no one knew for sure. I think the answer is vote for the local MP that’s going to serve you best and forgive some party decisions. The good people of North Shropshire did this and seem happy with an effective Lib Dem MP although the last time they were in power (the coalition government) they immediately broke their manifesto pledge to bring in Tuition Fees and many Lib Dems said they’d never vote for them again. (I’m not comparing broken manifestos with millions of deaths) Oh they knew alright. The contracts to divide the oil fields were drawn up before Iraq was attacked. WAR IS A RACKET MAJOR GENERAL SMEDLEY D BUTLER. Your conspiracy theory ‘the contract to divide the oil fields were drawn up before Iraq was attacked is flawed, they were never divided up internationally. theconversation.com/iraq-what-happened-to-the-oil-after-the-war-62188 |
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Post by wookeywombat on Oct 26, 2022 14:58:04 GMT 1
A few on the thread seem to take issue with female MPs, god forbid a female of colour. Someone may need to remind the tolerant left it's 2022. Be careful, with your self righteous attitude, you'll be asserting that many of your friends are non-white. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Oct 26, 2022 15:00:31 GMT 1
Semantics perhaps, but the previous government was the one ran by Liz Truss up until yesterday. The late Queen and King Charles have invited many Conservative leaders to form new governments since Tony Blair. just for you , i meant the previous labour government , i don't think truss murdered anyone but herself Maybe not, but sure as hell she drove many near suicidal. |
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Post by kp on Oct 26, 2022 15:51:55 GMT 1
Oh they knew alright. The contracts to divide the oil fields were drawn up before Iraq was attacked. WAR IS A RACKET MAJOR GENERAL SMEDLEY D BUTLER. Your conspiracy theory ‘the contract to divide the oil fields were drawn up before Iraq was attacked is flawed, they were never divided up internationally. theconversation.com/iraq-what-happened-to-the-oil-after-the-war-62188No conspiracy theory here, I only ever deal in verifiable factual information. I had opportunity to go and contract in Iraq, Ellesmere Port is a bit of an oil town, believe me, I know what Shell were hoping for as an example, Exxon Mobile too. This information did get out into MSM and people have commented on it. www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/20/iraq-war-oil-resources-energy-peak-scarcity-economyThe Iraq War was only partly, however, about big profits for Anglo-American oil conglomerates - that would be a bonus (one which in the end has failed to materialise to the degree hoped for - not for want of trying though). The real goal - as Greg Muttitt documented in his book Fuel on the Fire citing declassified Foreign Office files from 2003 onwards - was stabilising global energy supplies as a whole by ensuring the free flow of Iraqi oil to world markets - benefits to US and UK companies constituted an important but secondary goal: "The most important strategic interest lay in expanding global energy supplies, through foreign investment, in some of the world's largest oil reserves – in particular Iraq. This meshed neatly with the secondary aim of securing contracts for their companies. Note that the strategy documents released here tend to refer to 'British and global energy supplies.' British energy security is to be obtained by there being ample global supplies – it is not about the specific flow." Advertisement To this end, as Whitehall documents obtained by the Independent show, the US and British sought to privatise Iraqi oil production with a view to allow foreign companies to takeover. Minutes of a meeting held on 12 May 2003 said: "The future shape of the Iraqi industry will affect oil markets, and the functioning of Opec, in both of which we have a vital interest." A " desirable" outcome for Iraqi's crippled oil industry, officials concluded, is: "... an oil sector open and attractive to foreign investment, with appropriate arrangements for the exploitation of new fields." The documents added that "foreign companies' involvement seems to be the only possible solution" to make Iraq a reliable oil exporter. This, however, would be "politically sensitive", and would "require careful handling to avoid the impression that we are trying to push the Iraqis down one particular path." Media analyses claiming lazily that there was no planning for the aftermath of the Iraq War should look closer at the public record. The reality is that extensive plans for postwar reconstruction were pursued, but they did not consider humanitarian and societal issues of any significance, focusing instead on maintaining the authoritarian structures of Saddam's brutal regime after his removal, while upgrading Iraq's oil infrastructure to benefit foreign investors. You were saying... |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 26, 2022 15:55:35 GMT 1
what are you thoughts on labour getting back in after the shambles of the iraq war ? Was going to mention last time you bought it up. Forgetting the rights and wrongs of the war the decision was put to parliament. Public generally were against the war but the vote was interesting…. Labour ….For 254 Against 84 Abstained 69 62% of Labour MPs voted for the war Tories ….For 146 Against 2 Abstained 17 88% of Tory MPs voted for the war Lib Dems For. 0 Against 52 Abstained 1 0% of Lib Dems voted for the war Lib Dems we’re the only party against the war Although Blair took us to war and rightly received the blame (he was PM) it was fully supported by the Tories, in-fact they would have stopped the war by voting against. thats reminds me labour MPs backed brexit didn't they ? hopefully you'll hit them with the figures next time someone moans about brexit |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 26, 2022 15:56:45 GMT 1
true but some issues generate such strong feelings that you dont forget . we are still living with the legacy of the wars we fought in, with veterans with life changing injuries , veterans with long term mental health problems, the death and destruction in each country and the billions wasted pluse the destabalized regions for a war that i and many others did not fel justified or right. if we had had a refrendum on that i think the majority would have voted no, anyone with even a superficial knowledge of history would know it would not end well. I agree but my point was you can’t hold political grudges for ever otherwise we wouldn’t progress. The public trusted both Labour and Tories politicians to make political decisions for them but they inadvertently made the wrong decision based on American influences. Are we blaming Neville Chamberlain for the millions of wounded and injured soldiers in WW2? No because the public felt the war was justified. Not enough due diligence was done with the Iraq war but politicians were convinced they held WMDs and could press the button at any time…. Turns out unjustified but no one knew for sure. I think the answer is vote for the local MP that’s going to serve you best and forgive some party decisions. The good people of North Shropshire did this and seem happy with an effective Lib Dem MP although the last time they were in power (the coalition government) they immediately broke their manifesto pledge to bring in Tuition Fees and many Lib Dems said they’d never vote for them again. (I’m not comparing broken manifestos with millions of deaths) i agree with you but i can understand why for many this would be difficult |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 26, 2022 16:12:00 GMT 1
So we know why many don't like Braverman. We know why many won't like nor vote for Sunak. I mean it can't be a coincidence that in all the years the Labour party has existed, the only people voted to lead it have been white men.
I mean that's how this works now. This is where we are at. This is the inevitable result of identity politics. Yet hardly a surprise that people will look to fight fire with fire. When you have people who are quick to label everything and anything they disagree with as racist, fascist, blah, blah, blah then its hardly surprising people are going to reply in kind when the chance arises. When you look to what has been directed towards those who voted for Brexit and/or the Tories over the last few years then its hardly surprising people are going to reply in kind when the chance arises.
So I suspect we will see an awful lot of this sort of thing the next few weeks and months when it comes to criticism directed at Sunak, Braverman et al, no doubt on here too. But then, what is good for the goose and all that...
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 26, 2022 16:13:28 GMT 1
No conspiracy theory here, I only ever deal in verifiable factual information. I had opportunity to go and contract in Iraq, Ellesmere Port is a bit of an oil town, believe me, I know what Shell were hoping for as an example, Exxon Mobile too. This information did get out into MSM and people have commented on it. www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/20/iraq-war-oil-resources-energy-peak-scarcity-economyThe Iraq War was only partly, however, about big profits for Anglo-American oil conglomerates - that would be a bonus (one which in the end has failed to materialise to the degree hoped for - not for want of trying though). The real goal - as Greg Muttitt documented in his book Fuel on the Fire citing declassified Foreign Office files from 2003 onwards - was stabilising global energy supplies as a whole by ensuring the free flow of Iraqi oil to world markets - benefits to US and UK companies constituted an important but secondary goal: "The most important strategic interest lay in expanding global energy supplies, through foreign investment, in some of the world's largest oil reserves – in particular Iraq. This meshed neatly with the secondary aim of securing contracts for their companies. Note that the strategy documents released here tend to refer to 'British and global energy supplies.' British energy security is to be obtained by there being ample global supplies – it is not about the specific flow." Advertisement To this end, as Whitehall documents obtained by the Independent show, the US and British sought to privatise Iraqi oil production with a view to allow foreign companies to takeover. Minutes of a meeting held on 12 May 2003 said: "The future shape of the Iraqi industry will affect oil markets, and the functioning of Opec, in both of which we have a vital interest." A " desirable" outcome for Iraqi's crippled oil industry, officials concluded, is: "... an oil sector open and attractive to foreign investment, with appropriate arrangements for the exploitation of new fields." The documents added that "foreign companies' involvement seems to be the only possible solution" to make Iraq a reliable oil exporter. This, however, would be "politically sensitive", and would "require careful handling to avoid the impression that we are trying to push the Iraqis down one particular path." U Media analyses claiming lazily that there was no planning for the aftermath of the Iraq War should look closer at the public record. The reality is that extensive plans for postwar reconstruction were pursued, but they did not consider humanitarian and societal issues of any significance, focusing instead on maintaining the authoritarian structures of Saddam's brutal regime after his removal, while upgrading Iraq's oil infrastructure to benefit foreign investors. You were saying... I bow to your superior knowledge BUT cant see any proof of contracts being drawn up before the war? Thoughts, ideas and ways to deal with it after the war to maintain supplies and spread the wealth within Iraq but “contracts” sounds like we were solely nicking their wealth and nothing else. I don’t want it to sound like I’m defending the war but can’t see it as a complete scam. Politicians getting together and saying hey why don’t we pretend Iraqs up-to no good and grab their oil. Maybe Saddam was a good chap and shared the country’s wealth with his countryman and deserved to continue his political regime? |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 26, 2022 16:13:57 GMT 1
Wasn't parliament misled when it came to the invasion of Iraq? So it hardly seems fair to blame anyone who voted for it, whatever side of the house. If they were indeed misled of course.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 26, 2022 16:16:28 GMT 1
So we know why many don't like Braverman. We know why many won't like nor vote for Sunak. I mean it can't be a coincidence that in all the years the Labour party has existed, the only people voted to lead it have been white men. I mean that's how this works now. This is where we are at. This is the inevitable result of identity politics. Yet hardly a surprise that people will look to fight fire with fire. When you have people who are quick to label everything and anything they disagree with as racist, fascist, blah, blah, blah then its hardly surprising people are going to reply in kind when the chance arises. When you look to what has been directed towards those who voted for Brexit and/or the Tories over the last few years then its hardly surprising people are going to reply in kind when the chance arises. So I suspect we will see an awful lot of this sort of thing the next few weeks and months when it comes to criticism directed at Sunak, Braverman et al, no doubt on here too. But then, what is good for the goose and all that... Still perpetuating that made up twaddle then? Pedding the "It's no coincidence line".
Grow up! Give up!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 26, 2022 16:20:19 GMT 1
So we know why many don't like Braverman. We know why many won't like nor vote for Sunak. I mean it can't be a coincidence that in all the years the Labour party has existed, the only people voted to lead it have been white men. I mean that's how this works now. This is where we are at. This is the inevitable result of identity politics. Yet hardly a surprise that people will look to fight fire with fire. When you have people who are quick to label everything and anything they disagree with as racist, fascist, blah, blah, blah then its hardly surprising people are going to reply in kind when the chance arises. When you look to what has been directed towards those who voted for Brexit and/or the Tories over the last few years then its hardly surprising people are going to reply in kind when the chance arises. So I suspect we will see an awful lot of this sort of thing the next few weeks and months when it comes to criticism directed at Sunak, Braverman et al, no doubt on here too. But then, what is good for the goose and all that... Still perpetuating that made up twaddle then? Pedding the "It's no coincidence line".
Grow up! Give up!
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 26, 2022 16:21:05 GMT 1
Was going to mention last time you bought it up. Forgetting the rights and wrongs of the war the decision was put to parliament. Public generally were against the war but the vote was interesting…. Labour ….For 254 Against 84 Abstained 69 62% of Labour MPs voted for the war Tories ….For 146 Against 2 Abstained 17 88% of Tory MPs voted for the war Lib Dems For. 0 Against 52 Abstained 1 0% of Lib Dems voted for the war Lib Dems we’re the only party against the war Although Blair took us to war and rightly received the blame (he was PM) it was fully supported by the Tories, in-fact they would have stopped the war by voting against. thats reminds me labour MPs backed brexit didn't they ? hopefully you'll hit them with the figures next time someone moans about brexit Yes, they decided they would follow the result of the referendum and support Brexit. No, it wasn't ths sort of Brexit, it was the sort where we still had free trade.
Boris got Brexit " done", now someone has to get Brexit fixed - soon.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 26, 2022 16:23:16 GMT 1
Was going to mention last time you bought it up. Forgetting the rights and wrongs of the war the decision was put to parliament. Public generally were against the war but the vote was interesting…. Labour ….For 254 Against 84 Abstained 69 62% of Labour MPs voted for the war Tories ….For 146 Against 2 Abstained 17 88% of Tory MPs voted for the war Lib Dems For. 0 Against 52 Abstained 1 0% of Lib Dems voted for the war Lib Dems we’re the only party against the war Although Blair took us to war and rightly received the blame (he was PM) it was fully supported by the Tories, in-fact they would have stopped the war by voting against. thats reminds me labour MPs backed brexit didn't they ?hopefully you'll hit them with the figures next time someone moans about brexit That’s a difficult question. Even Boris voted against Mays first 2 MVs and it wasn’t so much Brexit they voted against but the deal on the table as did Boris. We then had a variety ideas some sensible and voted for some crazy like no deal and some with lasting problems we ended up with like The Iris Protocol which still isn’t sorted. The Brexit vote didn’t stipulate how or when we leave that came after through parliamentary debate, votes, PMs being replaced bickering within the Tory party. I’m not happy BTW that they didn’t nail their colours early on and vote against but we’d then get DEMOCRACY shoved down our throats. |
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