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Post by martinshrew on Jul 14, 2022 16:04:20 GMT 1
For the good of the country, Tugendhat votes & the Braverman votes should get behind Penny. For the good of the country they should all go🤡 So we end up with a hung parliament? Strange idea. If you think a disjointed Labour party are ready to rule you're mistaken. Over a decade now and they've still not got it together, should be 1/10 on and rolling like a well oiled machine. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 14, 2022 16:15:36 GMT 1
No doubt you fully support Israel’s treatment if Palestinians? KP's burner account is it?  Do you remember the infamous wreath laying episode for the Munich terrorists that Corbyn " didn't remember" being at but photographic evidence proved otherwise? Yet with a straight face the same people that voted for him were recently demanding the sitting Prime Minister to " do the honourable thing" after being caught attending a birthday party for all of 10 minutes. You honestly couldn't make it up. Always 2 sides to every story or in this case several sides |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 14, 2022 16:37:17 GMT 1
So did the voters in 23/07/19….. he was a proven liar then but folk still voted for him Because the alternative (Corbyn, McDonald, Abbott, etc) were a frightening prospect to many voters. And then there was this... |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 14, 2022 16:45:32 GMT 1
But you and the like constantly call out the character of Tories? Can't have it all ways. Corbyns policy was enough, but his links to certain organisations are deplorable. For balance, i'd add Tory links to Russia are not favourable either. Jeremy Corbyn deserves the benefit of the doubt despite his past associations with terrorist organisations and presiding over a party who became only the second in history (after the BNP) to be investigated by a Human Rights watchdog on the grounds of anti-semitism. Indeed... JEREMY CORBYN’S ANTISEMITISM CRISIS: A TIMELINE
And of course lets not forget that Corbyn is currently suspended from the Labour party (and the reason why). And of course in addition to his friends in the Middle East this is a man who attended hardline Republican events where those who had fought and died for the IRA were honored. His past was always going to catch up with him. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 14, 2022 16:51:41 GMT 1
No doubt you fully support Israel’s treatment if Palestinians? KP's burner account is it? Do you remember the infamous wreath laying episode for the Munich terrorists that Corbyn " didn't remember" being at but photographic evidence proved otherwise? Yet with a straight face the same people that voted for him were recently demanding the sitting Prime Minister to " do the honourable thing" after being caught attending a birthday party for all of 10 minutes. You honestly couldn't make it up. Yeah, I remember that. He, he...what is it? He lied. Again his past catching up to him. Which was always going to be the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 17:06:40 GMT 1
This board would be a much better place if Corbyn’s name was never bought up. Let him be consigned to the rubbish bins of history.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 14, 2022 17:40:43 GMT 1
No doubt you fully support Israel’s treatment if Palestinians? KP's burner account is it? Do you remember the infamous wreath laying episode for the Munich terrorists that Corbyn " didn't remember" being at but photographic evidence proved otherwise? Yet with a straight face the same people that voted for him were recently demanding the sitting Prime Minister to " do the honourable thing" after being caught attending a birthday party for all of 10 minutes.
You honestly couldn't make it up.You do 😂 |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 17:51:04 GMT 1
Haven't you all got enough on your plate trying to foist one of the dregs of the Conservative party onto us and make out they're just who we would have chosen, if we had the chance?
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 14, 2022 18:02:13 GMT 1
Haven't you all got enough on your plate trying to foist one of the dregs of the Conservative party onto us and make out they're just who we would have chosen, if we had the chance? I think most centre-right posters on here have nailed their colour to the mast in who they'd like/dislike. I think most of the left will just dislike whoever it is to be honest, simply because of the colour of their rosette rather than the merits of their policy. If Labour manage to pull themselves together at some point to win a general election, you have my word I'll be totally open and honest about their policy and performance. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 14, 2022 18:16:15 GMT 1
Jeremy Corbyn deserves the benefit of the doubt despite his past associations with terrorist organisations and presiding over a party who became only the second in history (after the BNP) to be investigated by a Human Rights watchdog on the grounds of anti-semitism. Indeed... JEREMY CORBYN’S ANTISEMITISM CRISIS: A TIMELINE
And of course lets not forget that Corbyn is currently suspended from the Labour party (and the reason why). And of course in addition to his friends in the Middle East this is a man who attended hardline Republican events where those who had fought and died for the IRA were honored. His past was always going to catch up with him. Another over blown myth. Corbyn publicly was meeting with the IRA at the same time as Thatcher's envoys were doing the same, cloak and dagger method, as released Government documents have now shown. Even Ian Paisley acknowledged that Corbyn had plaid a big part in the peace process. AND www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-party-racism-inquiry-islamophobia-b1853354.html |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 14, 2022 18:28:49 GMT 1
Truss dodged questions about whether she was worried about the threat from Mordaunt - leaving the rough stuff to her allies, who have branded the trade minister 'untested' and 'underwhelming'. Her allies fired salvos at Mordaunt this morning, with Lord Frost saying he asked for her to be sacked as his deputy and has 'grave reservations', while Treasury minister Simon Clarke swiped that the country 'needs a leader who is tested and ready'. Ms Truss's team hope that Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch will be knocked out in rounds of voting today and early next week, and their backers will dramatically boost her numbers. (and so does Gavin Williamson!)
Daily Mail. I too hope Braverman and Badenoch get knocked out today . Their views are very similar . Hopefully Truss won’t make the final two ( please God ) and that Penny M and Sunak go to the Tory Party members for the final decision choosing Penny M . Sunak trying to distance himself from Bozo is just ridiculous. “ It wasn’t me sir , it was him, he made me do it “. Yeah, right , guilty by association but then aren’t they all. What a s**te show this is , with the Country in such a state these Tory w****rs are fighting amongst themselves to be top dog whilst those less fortunate are struggling to feed their families , pay their energy bills and , in certain circumstances see a GP or get a hospital bed in an emergency . Well, they do end up with a bed of sorts but that’s in the back of an ambulance, which arrives eventually. Inflation going up and wages falling further behind . Oh yes, with this lot in charge ( are that Rees - Mogg and Nadine Dorries characters for real or somebodies worst nightmare ) we are truly blessed . what you need to take on board is this would be happening no matter what party it is, and will do in the future, next time it might be a party you like and are speaking up about, last thing you would want then is this post reappearing |
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Post by kenwood on Jul 14, 2022 18:59:08 GMT 1
I too hope Braverman and Badenoch get knocked out today . Their views are very similar . Hopefully Truss won’t make the final two ( please God ) and that Penny M and Sunak go to the Tory Party members for the final decision choosing Penny M . Sunak trying to distance himself from Bozo is just ridiculous. “ It wasn’t me sir , it was him, he made me do it “. Yeah, right , guilty by association but then aren’t they all. What a s**te show this is , with the Country in such a state these Tory w****rs are fighting amongst themselves to be top dog whilst those less fortunate are struggling to feed their families , pay their energy bills and , in certain circumstances see a GP or get a hospital bed in an emergency . Well, they do end up with a bed of sorts but that’s in the back of an ambulance, which arrives eventually. Inflation going up and wages falling further behind . Oh yes, with this lot in charge ( are that Rees - Mogg and Nadine Dorries characters for real or somebodies worst nightmare ) we are truly blessed . what you need to take on board is this would be happening no matter what party it is, and will do in the future, next time it might be a party you like and are speaking up about, last thing you would want then is this post reappearing Now, who would suddenly drag up my previous posts to present to me and the assembled members of this board , in the future ? Hmmm , I wonder who that would be ? |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 14, 2022 19:14:17 GMT 1
Indeed... JEREMY CORBYN’S ANTISEMITISM CRISIS: A TIMELINE
And of course lets not forget that Corbyn is currently suspended from the Labour party (and the reason why). And of course in addition to his friends in the Middle East this is a man who attended hardline Republican events where those who had fought and died for the IRA were honored. His past was always going to catch up with him. Another over blown myth. Corbyn publicly was meeting with the IRA at the same time as Thatcher's envoys were doing the same, cloak and dagger method, as released Government documents have now shown. Even Ian Paisley acknowledged that Corbyn had plaid a big part in the peace process. AND www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-party-racism-inquiry-islamophobia-b1853354.htmlMyth? He attended Republican events where those who had fought and died for the IRA were honoured. That is fact, not myth. Did Thatcher attend those events? Did she or her envoys attend hard line Republican events where those who fought and died for the IRA were honoured? Or were they reaching out in an official capacity to broker peace. And there are others who state that Corbyn played no part in the peace process at all... ...the former IRA terrorist leader Sean O’Callaghan, he says, quote: you ‘played no part ever at any time in promoting peace in Northern Ireland.’ He says the peace you sought was a ‘victory for the IRA’.
Seamus Mann says, quote, he ‘never heard anyone mention Corbyn at all’ in the peace process. That you ‘very clearly took the side of the IRA’ and that that was ‘incompatible with working for peace’.
Plus we know, from their own words, what some of his closest political allies (McDonnell and Abbott) thought about Ireland. This is from Abbott... Ireland is our struggle. Every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.I'm sure this goes down well to the gallery but for an awful lot of us its very much a case who do think you are kidding. Corbyn's (and others) past was always going to catch up with him. And as for the link from the Independent, I'm sure someone will be along soon to call out whataboutery. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 14, 2022 20:10:23 GMT 1
Myth? He attended Republican events where those who had fought and died for the IRA were honoured. That is fact, not myth. Did Thatcher attend those events? Did she or her envoys attend hard line Republican events where those who fought and died for the IRA were honoured? Or were they reaching out in an official capacity to broker peace. And there are others who state that Corbyn played no part in the peace process at all... ...the former IRA terrorist leader Sean O’Callaghan, he says, quote: you ‘played no part ever at any time in promoting peace in Northern Ireland.’ He says the peace you sought was a ‘victory for the IRA’.
Seamus Mann says, quote, he ‘never heard anyone mention Corbyn at all’ in the peace process. That you ‘very clearly took the side of the IRA’ and that that was ‘incompatible with working for peace’.
Plus we know, from their own words, what some of his closest political allies (McDonnell and Abbott) thought about Ireland. This is from Abbott... Ireland is our struggle. Every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.I'm sure this goes down well to the gallery but for an awful lot of us its very much a case who do think you are kidding. Corbyn's (and others) past was always going to catch up with him. And as for the link from the Independent, I'm sure someone will be along soon to call out whataboutery. ,said%20he%20was%20a%20bit%20of%20a%20republican. O'Callaghan dragged in by the Sun at the time the Tories were panicing over the possibility of Corbyn winning and they were willing to exaggerate. Mann who he? Corbyn never claimed he played a major part in the peace process others did. He met BOTH sides as has been shown |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 20:11:19 GMT 1
For the good of the country they should all go🤡 So we end up with a hung parliament? Strange idea. If you think a disjointed Labour party are ready to rule you're mistaken. Over a decade now and they've still not got it together, should be 1/10 on and rolling like a well oiled machine. We end up with what the wider electorate vote for, rather than what a few Tory members think we should vote for. |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 14, 2022 20:39:17 GMT 1
what you need to take on board is this would be happening no matter what party it is, and will do in the future, next time it might be a party you like and are speaking up about, last thing you would want then is this post reappearing Now, who would suddenly drag up my previous posts to present to me and the assembled members of this board , in the future ? Hmmm , I wonder who that would be ? because I like you, I'm giving plenty of warning here  |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 14, 2022 20:43:53 GMT 1
Myth? He attended Republican events where those who had fought and died for the IRA were honoured. That is fact, not myth. Did Thatcher attend those events? Did she or her envoys attend hard line Republican events where those who fought and died for the IRA were honoured? Or were they reaching out in an official capacity to broker peace. And there are others who state that Corbyn played no part in the peace process at all... ...the former IRA terrorist leader Sean O’Callaghan, he says, quote: you ‘played no part ever at any time in promoting peace in Northern Ireland.’ He says the peace you sought was a ‘victory for the IRA’.
Seamus Mann says, quote, he ‘never heard anyone mention Corbyn at all’ in the peace process. That you ‘very clearly took the side of the IRA’ and that that was ‘incompatible with working for peace’.
Plus we know, from their own words, what some of his closest political allies (McDonnell and Abbott) thought about Ireland. This is from Abbott... Ireland is our struggle. Every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.I'm sure this goes down well to the gallery but for an awful lot of us its very much a case who do think you are kidding. Corbyn's (and others) past was always going to catch up with him. And as for the link from the Independent, I'm sure someone will be along soon to call out whataboutery. ,said%20he%20was%20a%20bit%20of%20a%20republican. So where does it say that "Ian Paisley acknowledged that Corbyn had plaid a big part in the peace process"? Or any part for that matter? Where is that documented? Did Mowlam state the same? As others have been very clear in his role... ...the former IRA terrorist leader Sean O’Callaghan, he says, quote: you ‘played no part ever at any time in promoting peace in Northern Ireland.’ He says the peace you sought was a ‘victory for the IRA’.
Seamus Mann says, quote, he ‘never heard anyone mention Corbyn at all’ in the peace process. That you ‘very clearly took the side of the IRA’ and that that was ‘incompatible with working for peace’.
One more... And in addition its reported that...
Mr Corbyn risked offending victims of the violence again in 1987 when he paid tribute to eight IRA gunmen who were shot dead in an SAS ambush, telling a meeting of the Wolfe Tone Society: "I'm happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland."
An Phoblacht reported that at a Dublin rally he stood alongside Angelo Fusco - a wanted IRA man who was on the run after escaping during his trial for shooting dead an SAS officer. At the time Corbyn was speaking alongside him in 1994, the British Government were demanding Fusco’s extradition from the Irish Republic.
His political ally and friend McDonnell... 'It’s about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA. Because of the bravery of the IRA and people like Bobby Sands, we now have a peace process.’Its there for all to see. More than happy for people look to what is reported and let them make their own mind up. But I have absolutely no idea how anyone can think this would not or should not influence whether anyone would vote for Corbyn. That makes no sense to me whatsoever. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 14, 2022 20:56:29 GMT 1
Is Jeremy Corbyn running for leader of the tory party or something? You'll have block12 calling you "weirdly obsessed" if you're not careful.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 21:17:47 GMT 1
Is Jeremy Corbyn running for leader of the tory party or something? You'll have block12 calling you "weirdly obsessed" if you're not careful. Only if Gavin Williamson can arrange it so as to ensure a Sunak victory.... |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 14, 2022 21:49:13 GMT 1
Is Jeremy Corbyn running for leader of the tory party or something? You'll have block12 calling you "weirdly obsessed" if you're not careful. yeah you tell them, is Boris running too ?, he's has more than double the amount of mentions on this thread than jezza has |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 22:07:37 GMT 1
Is Jeremy Corbyn running for leader of the tory party or something? You'll have block12 calling you "weirdly obsessed" if you're not careful. yeah you tell them, is Boris running too ?, he's has more than double the amount of mentions on this thread than jezza has Does that surprise you? He is, after all, the outgoing Tory PM.
Where does the ex leader of the Labour party fit in with a bunch of Tories toppling one PM and presenting us with another?
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 14, 2022 22:19:54 GMT 1
yeah you tell them, is Boris running too ?, he's has more than double the amount of mentions on this thread than jezza has Does that surpeise you? He is, after all, the outgoing Tory PM.
Where does the ex leader of the Labour party fit in with a bunch of Tories toppling one PM and presenting us with another?
I think most are paying tribute to Boris in as much as if you can't bring yourself to congratulate him on his many successes, at least acknowledge he kept the dangerous IRA linked Corbyn out. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 22:24:46 GMT 1
Does that surpeise you? He is, after all, the outgoing Tory PM.
Where does the ex leader of the Labour party fit in with a bunch of Tories toppling one PM and presenting us with another?
I think most are paying tribute to Boris in as much as if you can't bring yourself to congratulate him on his many successes, at least acknowledge he kept the dangerous IRA linked Corbyn out. In other words:
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Post by Pilch on Jul 14, 2022 22:30:58 GMT 1
yeah you tell them, is Boris running too ?, he's has more than double the amount of mentions on this thread than jezza has Does that surpeise you? He is, after all, the outgoing Tory PM.
Where does the ex leader of the Labour party fit in with a bunch of Tories toppling one PM and presenting us with another?
don't pick fights you can win or I'll mention Thatcher got more mentions than Jezza too which makes your argument look so amateurish the referee should step in and stop you carrying on thank you and good night |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 22:36:12 GMT 1
Does that surpeise you? He is, after all, the outgoing Tory PM. Where does the ex leader of the Labour party fit in with a bunch of Tories toppling one PM and presenting us with another?
don't pick fights you can win or I'll mention Thatcher got more mentions than Jezza too which makes your argument look so amateurish the referee should step in and stop you carrying on thank you and good night Ha Ha, I think you will find Thatcher is an ex Tory PM, still much respected by the right - a yard stick they measure leaders by. At least one of the candidates mentioned her in his bid for the job - making mention of Maggie in this melee mandatory. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 15, 2022 0:02:42 GMT 1
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 15, 2022 5:48:10 GMT 1
Many of these claims are substantiated:- anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2019/10/9-things-every-voter-needs-to-know.htmlI should make myself clear, I was never a supporter of Corbyn purely because of his stance or no stance on Brexit but I am certain he was unfairly demonised by the Tories and elements of the press. Above all else his Ghandi award is further evidence of his actual beliefs. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 15, 2022 7:47:28 GMT 1
Many of these claims are substantiated:- anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2019/10/9-things-every-voter-needs-to-know.htmlI should make myself clear, I was never a supporter of Corbyn purely because of his stance or no stance on Brexit but I am certain he was unfairly demonised by the Tories and elements of the press. Above all else his Ghandi award is further evidence of his actual beliefs. From what I can see a number of those we have already discussed and addressed already on this thread and don't bring anything new to the discussion. And a number are just whataboutery about Johnson and the Tories. I have included statements above from those who state that Corbyn played no part in the peace process. Do we have statements from Paisley, Mowlam or others who were involved in the peace process that state he did? And when you spend time rubbing shoulders with terrorists and anti-Semites calling them friends, brother and very honored citizens then I think its fair to say people are going to sit up, take notice, question your character and take that into account when entering the ballot box. And I just don't understand anyone who thinks that wouldn't or shouldn't be the case. And looking back to 2019 election that's before we even get to Brexit where Labour tried to thwart and reverse the result of the 2016 referendum result despite saying they would honor and implement it. I can only think that one or two have very short memories because when they talk about 2019 and why people voted for Johnson and the Tories rather than Corbyn and Labour, that just didn't seem to happen. I get people vote for all sorts of different reasons but I find it bizarre that you have Corbyn supporters looking to push the narrative that those who didn't vote for him in 2019 were somehow duped or sold a lie. His past links are well documented, Corbyn's Labour tried to reverse the referendum result despite saying they would honor and implement it and when looking to Salisbury it was clear that he was, how can I put this, wet behind the ears and out of his depth. And as you say, his position on Brexit suggested an unwilling to lead. I dread to think what support the UK would be offering to the Ukraine had Corbyn won in 2019. Johnson or Corbyn, Corbyn or Johnson. It was an awful choice and hopefully not one we will see again anytime soon. But the efforts from one or two who try to make out that it should have been a clear and easy decision because Johnson tells lies is quite frankly laughable. For me anyhow...👍 |
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 15, 2022 7:59:23 GMT 1
No mention of the Ghandi award then which kind of overturns any question of Corbyn's so called terrorism support. Or no mention that he was talking to both sides and liaising with Paisley.If Corbyn and the Labour party had come categorically and said they supported Brexit in 2019, Johnson would have got nowhere near the majority he obtained.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 15, 2022 8:20:05 GMT 1
Shall I start a new thread about the next Tory leader and PM?
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