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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 12:18:15 GMT 1
Great watching and listening to the Tory hierarchy destroy each others careers Vying for a gig that may only last a couple of years, following a man, who, although flawed, knew how to win elections. Having to get your personna up to speed after being derided by the other contenders in short order to try and win the next election, probably discarded if you don't. Is that why Ben Wallace and Priti didn't stand this time? |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 14, 2022 13:05:58 GMT 1
im relived that jeremy hunt was eliminated I will be relieved when they are all eliminated!!! i should have added from the race to be PM !  |
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 14, 2022 13:10:39 GMT 1
I’ve yet to hear what any of the candidates are proposing to do about the 31% of children in the UK who are living in poverty. I’d like someone to ask them that question to hear their replies. They have all turned a blind eye to Johnson’s countless lies, so I don’t imagine that you would get a truthful answer on something so low on their list of priorities. |
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 14, 2022 13:17:46 GMT 1
I’ve yet to hear what any of the candidates are proposing to do about the 31% of children in the UK who are living in poverty. I’d like someone to ask them that question to hear their replies. They have all turned a blind eye to Johnson’s countless lies, so I don’t imagine that you would get a truthful answer on something so low on their list of priorities. So did the voters in 23/07/19….. he was a proven liar then but folk still voted for him |
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Post by Dancin on Jul 14, 2022 13:27:24 GMT 1
They have all turned a blind eye to Johnson’s countless lies, so I don’t imagine that you would get a truthful answer on something so low on their list of priorities. So did the voters in 23/07/19….. he was a proven liar then but folk still voted for him Because the alternative (Corbyn, McDonald, Abbott, etc) were a frightening prospect to many voters. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 13:46:41 GMT 1
So did the voters in 23/07/19….. he was a proven liar then but folk still voted for him Because the alternative (Corbyn, McDonald, Abbott, etc) were a frightening prospect to many voters. Yep, many voters were convinced of that. Which is where Starmer comes in with his purging of the Corbynites. The Tories are going to need someone really persuasive to win next time. Wishy-Washy Rishi? Liz Truss, laugh out loud? They will have to do better than those two! |
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 13:50:54 GMT 1
So did the voters in 23/07/19….. he was a proven liar then but folk still voted for him Because the alternative (Corbyn, McDonald, Abbott, etc) were a frightening prospect to many voters. Just goes to show how poorly informed we are really. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 14, 2022 13:56:18 GMT 1
Because the alternative (Corbyn, McDonald, Abbott, etc) were a frightening prospect to many voters. Just goes to show how poorly informed we are really. Everyone was rightly informed. One thing I will say about Kier, I'd rather he didn't get in, but I'm certainly not afraid of it happening. Corbyn and his cabinet were a truly terrifying prospect that the country thankfully saw through and voted against in enormous numbers. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 14, 2022 13:57:12 GMT 1
Because the alternative (Corbyn, McDonald, Abbott, etc) were a frightening prospect to many voters. Yep, many voters were convinced of that. Which is where Starmer comes in with his purging of the Corbynites. The Tories are going to need someone really persuasive to win next time. Wishy-Washy Rishi? Liz Truss, laugh out loud? They will have to do better than those two! I think Labour will greatly fear Penny getting in. |
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Post by block12massive on Jul 14, 2022 14:02:58 GMT 1
Because the alternative (Corbyn, McDonald, Abbott, etc) were a frightening prospect to many voters. Yep, many voters were convinced of that. Which is where Starmer comes in with his purging of the Corbynites. The Tories are going to need someone really persuasive to win next time. Wishi Washi Rishi? Liz Truss, laugh out loud? They will have to do better than those two! I really think you and others are overstating Starmer's appeal to the electorate. This is hardly a Labour party that's got it's act together. It's position on Brexit still isn't abundantly clear. It was divided on the tube strikes the other week. It's still seen as a party of ideologues that ties itself up in nots when pressed the social topics of the day such as womens/trans rights. As much as some may poo-poo these things, they do matter in the social conscience. Much of the shadow cabinet is completely unpalatable - Streeting, Thornberry Rayner, Lammy to name just a few. The weakest Tory candidate - whoever he or she is - still gets my vote ahead of any Labour one. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 14, 2022 14:04:13 GMT 1
Just goes to show how poorly informed we are really. Everyone was rightly informed. One thing I will say about Kier, I'd rather he didn't get in, but I'm certainly not afraid of it happening. Corbyn and his cabinet were a truly terrifying prospect that the country thankfully saw through and voted against in enormous numbers. Just as Johnson and company were a frightening prospect but, backed by the right wing press, the electorate had the wool pulled over their eyes and voted them in. |
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 14:06:23 GMT 1
Just goes to show how poorly informed we are really. Everyone was rightly informed. One thing I will say about Kier, I'd rather he didn't get in, but I'm certainly not afraid of it happening. Corbyn and his cabinet were a truly terrifying prospect that the country thankfully saw through and voted against in enormous numbers. Of course we did, we are just so astute as an electorate... Name a 'truly terrifying' policy from the manisfesto put forward, I will wait. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 14, 2022 14:18:16 GMT 1
Everyone was rightly informed. One thing I will say about Kier, I'd rather he didn't get in, but I'm certainly not afraid of it happening. Corbyn and his cabinet were a truly terrifying prospect that the country thankfully saw through and voted against in enormous numbers. Of course we did, we are just so astute as an electorate... Name a 'truly terrifying' policy from the manisfesto put forward, I will wait. It's not always policy, sometimes it's the individual, their beliefs and their links. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 14:19:56 GMT 1
Yep, many voters were convinced of that. Which is where Starmer comes in with his purging of the Corbynites. The Tories are going to need someone really persuasive to win next time. Wishi Washi Rishi? Liz Truss, laugh out loud? They will have to do better than those two! I really think you and others are overstating Starmer's appeal to the electorate. This is hardly a Labour party that's got it's act together. It's position on Brexit still isn't abundantly clear. It was divided on the tube strikes the other week. It's still seen as a party of ideologues that ties itself up in nots when pressed the social topics of the day such as womens/trans rights. As much as some may poo-poo these things, they do matter in the social conscience. Much of the shadow cabinet is completely unpalatable - Streeting, Thornberry Rayner, Lammy to name just a few. The weakest Tory candidate - whoever he or she is - still gets my vote ahead of any Labour one. All I was implying is that the electorate don't immediately say "I'm not voting for that Corbyn" any more. |
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 14:24:45 GMT 1
Of course we did, we are just so astute as an electorate... Name a 'truly terrifying' policy from the manisfesto put forward, I will wait. It's not always policy, sometimes it's the individual, their beliefs and their links. You (and the entire electorate who voted for 'anyone but corbyn') know him personally and intimately then I take it, or were you just sold a narrative? I wonder. Oh BTW when talking about a subject matter with the gravitas of who should be running the country it should always be about policy. Always. |
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Post by Dancin on Jul 14, 2022 14:35:52 GMT 1
It's not always policy, sometimes it's the individual, their beliefs and their links. You (and the entire electorate who voted for 'anyone but corbyn') know him personally and intimately then I take it, or were you just sold a narrative? I wonder. Oh BTW when talking about a subject matter with the gravitas of who should be running the country it should always be about policy. Always. I certainly wasn't sold a narrative; just hearing the bloke (Corbyn) talk was enough for me to make my mind up that I didn't want him running the UK. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 14, 2022 14:37:38 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 14, 2022 14:39:17 GMT 1
It's not always policy, sometimes it's the individual, their beliefs and their links. You (and the entire electorate who voted for 'anyone but corbyn') know him personally and intimately then I take it, or were you just sold a narrative? I wonder. Oh BTW when talking about a subject matter with the gravitas of who should be running the country it should always be about policy. Always. But you and the like constantly call out the character of Tories? Can't have it all ways. Corbyns policy was enough, but his links to certain organisations are deplorable. For balance, i'd add Tory links to Russia are not favourable either. |
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 14:44:10 GMT 1
You (and the entire electorate who voted for 'anyone but corbyn') know him personally and intimately then I take it, or were you just sold a narrative? I wonder. Oh BTW when talking about a subject matter with the gravitas of who should be running the country it should always be about policy. Always. But you and the like constantly call out the character of Tories? Can't have it all ways. Corbyns policy was enough, but his links to certain organisations are deplorable. For balance, i'd add Tory links to Russia are not favourable either. Do I indeed. Please do provide the evidence to back up your assertion. I am still waiting for which of 'Corbyns' policies were enough. (You seem unaware that Corbyn didn't set any of the policies contained in the proposed manifesto btw). |
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 14:46:08 GMT 1
You (and the entire electorate who voted for 'anyone but corbyn') know him personally and intimately then I take it, or were you just sold a narrative? I wonder. Oh BTW when talking about a subject matter with the gravitas of who should be running the country it should always be about policy. Always. I certainly wasn't sold a narrative; just hearing the bloke (Corbyn) talk was enough for me to make my mind up that I didn't want him running the UK. What was it in particular that he said that made your mind up? You do realize that the UK is not run by a figurehead leader of a political party btw, we are not a dictatorship (yet). |
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Post by block12massive on Jul 14, 2022 14:51:36 GMT 1
You (and the entire electorate who voted for 'anyone but corbyn') know him personally and intimately then I take it, or were you just sold a narrative? I wonder. Oh BTW when talking about a subject matter with the gravitas of who should be running the country it should always be about policy. Always. But you and the like constantly call out the character of Tories? Can't have it all ways. Corbyns policy was enough, but his links to certain organisations are deplorable. For balance, i'd add Tory links to Russia are not favourable either. Boris Johnson wasn't fit to run the country because he lies a lot. Jeremy Corbyn deserves the benefit of the doubt despite his past associations with terrorist organisations and presiding over a party who became only the second in history (after the BNP) to be investigated by a Human Rights watchdog on the grounds of anti-semitism. Ok, got it. |
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 14:52:57 GMT 1
But you and the like constantly call out the character of Tories? Can't have it all ways. Corbyns policy was enough, but his links to certain organisations are deplorable. For balance, i'd add Tory links to Russia are not favourable either. Boris Johnson wasn't fit to run the country because he lies a lot. Jeremy Corbyn deserves the benefit of the doubt despite his past associations with terrorist organisations and presiding over a party who became only the second in history (after the BNP) to be investigated by a Human Rights watchdog on the grounds of anti-semitism. Ok, got it. I honestly don't think you have got anything... |
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Post by block12massive on Jul 14, 2022 14:54:01 GMT 1
I certainly wasn't sold a narrative; just hearing the bloke (Corbyn) talk was enough for me to make my mind up that I didn't want him running the UK. What was it in particular that he said that made your mind up? You do realize that the UK is not run by a figurehead leader of a political party btw, we are not a dictatorship (yet). Realise* |
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 15:03:48 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 14, 2022 15:08:14 GMT 1
But you and the like constantly call out the character of Tories? Can't have it all ways. Corbyns policy was enough, but his links to certain organisations are deplorable. For balance, i'd add Tory links to Russia are not favourable either. Boris Johnson wasn't fit to run the country because he lies a lot. Jeremy Corbyn deserves the benefit of the doubt despite his past associations with terrorist organisations and presiding over a party who became only the second in history (after the BNP) to be investigated by a Human Rights watchdog on the grounds of anti-semitism. Ok, got it. No doubt you fully support Israel’s treatment if Palestinians? |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 14, 2022 15:16:35 GMT 1
Braverman out.
Rishi Sunak - 101 (up 13)
Penny Mordaunt - 83 (up 16)
Liz Truss - 64 (up 14)
Kemi Badenoch - 49 (up 9)
Tom Tugendhat - 32 (down 5)
Suella Braverman - 27 (down 5)
Tugenhat might as well give up.
The question now is whether Badenoch can get herself into 3rd place and threaten Truss.
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Post by block12massive on Jul 14, 2022 15:21:18 GMT 1
Boris Johnson wasn't fit to run the country because he lies a lot. Jeremy Corbyn deserves the benefit of the doubt despite his past associations with terrorist organisations and presiding over a party who became only the second in history (after the BNP) to be investigated by a Human Rights watchdog on the grounds of anti-semitism. Ok, got it. No doubt you fully support Israel’s treatment if Palestinians? KP's burner account is it?  Do you remember the infamous wreath laying episode for the Munich terrorists that Corbyn " didn't remember" being at but photographic evidence proved otherwise? Yet with a straight face the same people that voted for him were recently demanding the sitting Prime Minister to " do the honourable thing" after being caught attending a birthday party for all of 10 minutes. You honestly couldn't make it up. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 14, 2022 15:28:28 GMT 1
Braverman out. Rishi Sunak - 101 (up 13) Penny Mordaunt - 83 (up 16) Liz Truss - 64 (up 14) Kemi Badenoch - 49 (up 9) Tom Tugendhat - 32 (down 5) Suella Braverman - 27 (down 5) Tugenhat might as well give up. The question now is whether Badenoch can get herself into 3rd place and threaten Truss. For the good of the country, Tugendhat votes & the Braverman votes should get behind Penny. |
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Post by shrewder on Jul 14, 2022 15:30:52 GMT 1
Braverman out. Rishi Sunak - 101 (up 13) Penny Mordaunt - 83 (up 16) Liz Truss - 64 (up 14) Kemi Badenoch - 49 (up 9) Tom Tugendhat - 32 (down 5) Suella Braverman - 27 (down 5) Tugenhat might as well give up. The question now is whether Badenoch can get herself into 3rd place and threaten Truss. For the good of the country, Tugendhat votes & the Braverman votes should get behind Penny. For the good of the country they should all go🤡 |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 14, 2022 15:40:36 GMT 1
I suspect that most of the Braverman votes will now go to either Truss or Badenoch, whilst most of the Tugenhat votes will go to either Sunak or Mordaunt.
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