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Post by martinshrew on Jul 13, 2022 21:06:46 GMT 1
I got 10/1 on Penny when it all kicked off last week, she's now Evens. i would say the current favourite will become a target and will go out early I think that's Rishi. |
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Post by salop27 on Jul 13, 2022 21:58:53 GMT 1
I meant to cancel my Conservative membership after the debacle that led to the North Salop by election and then the debacle of the by election campaign/result and then the debacle of party gate etc etc. Never got round to it though so I'm in the small minority voting for the next PM as well. Which is ironic as unless there's some major policy shifting I won't be voting Conservative, or for anyone probably.
Anyway, at this point voting in Sunak would be a mistake. He's to tainted by Johnson and the whole Green Card/extreme wealth thing. I think it might be another female PM. Out of them I would prefer Penny Mourdant. I heard her on the radio and it was sensible priority's like cost of living and NHS and she specifically mentioned dentists. She also said no big income tax cuts but would half VAT on fuel and rise the tax threshold for low/middle incomes in line with inflation. She of course was pro Brexit and unlike most possible Tory PMs educated at Comprehensive school. Time will tell though.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 13, 2022 22:49:57 GMT 1
If you trust the bookies it looks like Mordaunt is going to win, as long as she makes it to the final two that is. I got 10/1 on Penny when it all kicked off last week, she's now Evens. you don't want the favourite at this stage, they will play tactics like the weakest link and vote the best one off s**te system |
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Post by shrewder on Jul 14, 2022 5:26:48 GMT 1
im relived that jeremy hunt was eliminated I will be relieved when they are all eliminated!!! |
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Post by kenwood on Jul 14, 2022 7:29:29 GMT 1
Anyone on benefits of any kind can look out if the fool Braverman gets selected.
Hopefully it won’t happen, but to hear her view on those less fortunate in our society makes me cringe.
Tax cuts? No need when the people are being fleeced by those claiming benefits who are taking money out of the system when they could be working . According to her there’s just too many of the idle barstewards .
Her compassionate side comes shining through .
Yes, a society with Braverman at the helm will look a very hard place .
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Post by block12massive on Jul 14, 2022 8:42:53 GMT 1
Anyone on benefits of any kind can look out if the fool Braverman gets selected. Hopefully it won’t happen, but to hear her view on those less fortunate in our society makes me cringe. Tax cuts? No need when the people are being fleeced by those claiming benefits who are taking money out of the system when they could be working . According to her there’s just too many of the idle barstewards . Her compassionate side comes shining through . Yes, a society with Braverman at the helm will look a very hard place . She's correct. Next. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 14, 2022 8:54:35 GMT 1
Gavin Williamson is Sunak's campaign manager and already has considerable experience in that position. Having originally ingratiated himself with Cameron as his PPS, he then moved on to be a successful campaign manager for both May and Johnson.
He is now faced with the problem that although Sunak is likely to win the most votes from M.P.s, Mordaunt is likely to be the clear winner if her name is put forward to the Membership.
He therefore must realise that Mordaunt has to be kept out of 2nd place at all costs. At present, Truss is running in 3rd place and is likely to maintain that position, but she's an open goal as far as later attacks on her are concerned - she was a Lib Dem, backed Remain, is a Foreign Secretary with limited knowledge of geography and is a poor public speaker - her pork and cheese videos make for excruciating viewing.
Tactically, he needs to keep Team Sunak's criticisms of Truss fairly low key for the moment, whilst allowing to run Truss's argument that she needs to be the unifying candidate of the right in order to enable her to win as many votes as possible from the supporters of the defeated other candidates, while still being confident that Sunak will come 1st in the poll of M.P.s.
If he's then achieved the required result for Team Sunak of Truss coming 2nd, then that removes Mordaunt's name from ever being put to the Conservative Membership. However, if the gap between 2nd and 3rd becomes too close to call, then the machinations of the 2019 leadership contest come to mind, where Gove was knocked out leaving a straight fight between Johnson and the less threatening Hunt. It has been suggested that a number of Johnson's votes were 'lent' to Hunt to get Gove off the final ballot to the Membership. Williamson was of course Johnson's campaign manager at that time.
Williamson may have proved to be a useless Minister, but he's in his element as far as the dark arts are concerned.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 14, 2022 9:10:59 GMT 1
Anyone on benefits of any kind can look out if the fool Braverman gets selected. Hopefully it won’t happen, but to hear her view on those less fortunate in our society makes me cringe. Tax cuts? No need when the people are being fleeced by those claiming benefits who are taking money out of the system when they could be working . According to her there’s just too many of the idle barstewards . Her compassionate side comes shining through . Yes, a society with Braverman at the helm will look a very hard place . She's correct. Next. This is what she said... I think we spend too much on welfare. There are too many people in this country who are of working age, who are of good health, and who are choosing to rely on benefits, on taxpayers’ money, on your money, my money, to get by. I don’t think there’s enough rigour. Universal Credit’s been a brilliant thing in stamping out the culture of dependency but there’s further we can go, there’s more we can do.I think the problem at times is the wording and the tone but with that said, I think there is something in what she said... Suella Braverman is right about welfare
I believe she is referring to those who can work but despite staff shortages and the number of vacancies, aren't. Looking to those numbers I don't see anything wrong with any government looking to try and understand the situation and whether it is possible to get more people into work (and if so, how). From what you read this seems to be a bit of a hang over from the pandemic. Understandable I guess, made an impact in more ways than one. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 14, 2022 9:39:05 GMT 1
Anyone on benefits of any kind can look out if the fool Braverman gets selected. Hopefully it won’t happen, but to hear her view on those less fortunate in our society makes me cringe. Tax cuts? No need when the people are being fleeced by those claiming benefits who are taking money out of the system when they could be working . According to her there’s just too many of the idle barstewards . Her compassionate side comes shining through . Yes, a society with Braverman at the helm will look a very hard place . I think this response is a little extreme. I don't think she's trying to get a double arm amputee sorting mail or double leg amputee driving bin wagons, she's simply stating she wants too look at productivity in the labour market and look a little closer at those claiming benefit for non-work status rather than disability. "Right now, those on the workless component of Universal Credit can get out of seeing a job consultant if they do nine hours of work a week."That seems a little ridiculous given that most of the country does that per day, does it not? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 9:42:30 GMT 1
I listened to the full interview with Mr Sunak on the Today programme. All I got from it is he's Wishi Washi Rishi. Reactive rather than proactive. A follower rather than a leader. No great plan, no three word slogan of his ambition.
He just presented himself as "I'm the best face to win the next election" with some vague reference to the Tories wanting to be a low tax party when all he's done is made them a high tax party. A vague reference to wanting to get inflation down when he's the one who's been in charge of the purse strings while inflation has ravaged us.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 9:45:49 GMT 1
Anyone on benefits of any kind can look out if the fool Braverman gets selected. Hopefully it won’t happen, but to hear her view on those less fortunate in our society makes me cringe. Tax cuts? No need when the people are being fleeced by those claiming benefits who are taking money out of the system when they could be working . According to her there’s just too many of the idle barstewards . Her compassionate side comes shining through . Yes, a society with Braverman at the helm will look a very hard place . I think this response is a little extreme. I don't think she's trying to get a double arm amputee sorting mail or double leg amputee driving bin wagons, she's simply stating she wants too look at productivity in the labour market and look a little closer at those claiming benefit for non-work status rather than disability. "Right now, those on the workless component of Universal Credit can get out of seeing a job consultant if they do nine hours of work a week."That seems a little ridiculous given that most of the country does that per day, does it not? Some are going to find a way to cheat the system whatever happens. It's more about her attitude, what works best is the carrot, rather than the stick. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 14, 2022 9:48:06 GMT 1
Yes. Just the sort of intervention Sunak's campaign manager wants. Lord Frost rubbishing Mordaunt and effectively backing Truss. Frost isn't backing Sunak either, but Team Sunak clearly wants some votes for Mordaunt to go to Truss. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 14, 2022 9:55:13 GMT 1
Yes. Just the sort of intervention Sunak's campaign manager wants. Lord Frost rubbishing Mordaunt and effectively backing Truss. Frost isn't backing Sunak either, but Team Sunak clearly wants some votes for Mordaunt to go to Truss. Sunak wants the weakest in the final with him, it's the only way he can possibly win. The party needs a fresh start, not a different face doing the same thing. Penny offers that fresh start. |
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 14, 2022 10:03:50 GMT 1
Lord Frost who’s responsible for the negotiations that left us with a border in the Irish Sea no NI assembly and the master plan to then change the rules just to get Brexit done. Perhaps she didn’t want anything to do with Boris’s ready made deal. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 14, 2022 10:09:57 GMT 1
Rishi Sunak, the former chancellor and leadership candidate who came top in the first round of voting yesterday, has given an interview to the Today programme in which he repeatedly sounded evasive. He refused to accept that the government performed a U-turn over free school meals when he was chancellor (even though it did), he refused to say when he realised Boris Johnson was not a good prime minister, and he ducked a question about why he was preparing a campaign website last year. He was also reluctant to discuss what role Gavin Williamson was playing on his campaign, and, when asked if Williamson was a good education secretary, he sidestepped the question.
The Guardian.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 10:14:12 GMT 1
Yes. Just the sort of intervention Sunak's campaign manager wants. Lord Frost rubbishing Mordaunt and effectively backing Truss. Frost isn't backing Sunak either, but Team Sunak clearly wants some votes for Mordaunt to go to Truss. Sunak wants the weakest in the final with him, it's the only way he can possibly win. The party needs a fresh start, not a different face doing the same thing. Penny offers that fresh start. You may be right. For me, the Tories have been in too long and we need an entirely fresh start. But we can't have that with this contest. She's come through hard times with her family, been a magician's assistant to fund her education. Done diverse things. Not been to Eton!
If she says and does the right things for, what they tell us, are her "roots", then she's the one who could retain some of the "red wall" voters.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 10:15:42 GMT 1
Lord Frost who’s responsible for the negotiations that left us with a border in the Irish Sea no NI assembly and the master plan to then change the rules just to get Brexit done. Perhaps she didn’t want anything to do with Boris’s ready made deal. They would rather tell you that was all her fault for shirking. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 14, 2022 10:39:47 GMT 1
Truss dodged questions about whether she was worried about the threat from Mordaunt - leaving the rough stuff to her allies, who have branded the trade minister 'untested' and 'underwhelming'.
Her allies fired salvos at Mordaunt this morning, with Lord Frost saying he asked for her to be sacked as his deputy and has 'grave reservations', while Treasury minister Simon Clarke swiped that the country 'needs a leader who is tested and ready'.
Ms Truss's team hope that Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch will be knocked out in rounds of voting today and early next week, and their backers will dramatically boost her numbers. (and so does Gavin Williamson!)
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 14, 2022 10:46:13 GMT 1
Truss dodged questions about whether she was worried about the threat from Mordaunt - leaving the rough stuff to her allies, who have branded the trade minister 'untested' and 'underwhelming'. Her allies fired salvos at Mordaunt this morning, with Lord Frost saying he asked for her to be sacked as his deputy and has 'grave reservations', while Treasury minister Simon Clarke swiped that the country 'needs a leader who is tested and ready'. Ms Truss's team hope that Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch will be knocked out in rounds of voting today and early next week, and their backers will dramatically boost her numbers. (and so does Gavin Williamson!)
Daily Mail. The difference with Truss is she is 'tested' and proven 'underwhelming'.  |
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Post by kenwood on Jul 14, 2022 11:15:03 GMT 1
Anyone on benefits of any kind can look out if the fool Braverman gets selected. Hopefully it won’t happen, but to hear her view on those less fortunate in our society makes me cringe. Tax cuts? No need when the people are being fleeced by those claiming benefits who are taking money out of the system when they could be working . According to her there’s just too many of the idle barstewards . Her compassionate side comes shining through . Yes, a society with Braverman at the helm will look a very hard place . She's correct. Next. I take it you mean , she’s gone, let’s consider the next Tory chancer. |
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Post by Exkeeper on Jul 14, 2022 11:22:51 GMT 1
Yes. Just the sort of intervention Sunak's campaign manager wants. Lord Frost rubbishing Mordaunt and effectively backing Truss. Frost isn't backing Sunak either, but Team Sunak clearly wants some votes for Mordaunt to go to Truss. Being backed by Frosty must surely be seen as a disadvantage. A clown in the Johnson league. |
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Post by kenwood on Jul 14, 2022 11:31:59 GMT 1
Truss dodged questions about whether she was worried about the threat from Mordaunt - leaving the rough stuff to her allies, who have branded the trade minister 'untested' and 'underwhelming'. Her allies fired salvos at Mordaunt this morning, with Lord Frost saying he asked for her to be sacked as his deputy and has 'grave reservations', while Treasury minister Simon Clarke swiped that the country 'needs a leader who is tested and ready'. Ms Truss's team hope that Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch will be knocked out in rounds of voting today and early next week, and their backers will dramatically boost her numbers. (and so does Gavin Williamson!)
Daily Mail. I too hope Braverman and Badenoch get knocked out today . Their views are very similar . Hopefully Truss won’t make the final two ( please God ) and that Penny M and Sunak go to the Tory Party members for the final decision choosing Penny M . Sunak trying to distance himself from Bozo is just ridiculous. “ It wasn’t me sir , it was him, he made me do it “. Yeah, right , guilty by association but then aren’t they all. What a s**te show this is , with the Country in such a state these Tory w****rs are fighting amongst themselves to be top dog whilst those less fortunate are struggling to feed their families , pay their energy bills and , in certain circumstances see a GP or get a hospital bed in an emergency . Well, they do end up with a bed of sorts but that’s in the back of an ambulance, which arrives eventually. Inflation going up and wages falling further behind . Oh yes, with this lot in charge ( are that Rees - Mogg and Nadine Dorries characters for real or somebodies worst nightmare ) we are truly blessed . |
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Post by block12massive on Jul 14, 2022 11:39:37 GMT 1
Truss dodged questions about whether she was worried about the threat from Mordaunt - leaving the rough stuff to her allies, who have branded the trade minister 'untested' and 'underwhelming'. Her allies fired salvos at Mordaunt this morning, with Lord Frost saying he asked for her to be sacked as his deputy and has 'grave reservations', while Treasury minister Simon Clarke swiped that the country 'needs a leader who is tested and ready'. Ms Truss's team hope that Suella Braverman and Kemi Badenoch will be knocked out in rounds of voting today and early next week, and their backers will dramatically boost her numbers. (and so does Gavin Williamson!)
Daily Mail. I too hope Braverman and Badenoch get knocked out today . Their views are very similar . Hopefully Truss won’t make the final two ( please God ) and that Penny M and Sunak go to the Tory Party members for the final decision choosing Penny M . Sunak trying to distance himself from Bozo is just ridiculous. “ It wasn’t me sir , it was him, he made me do it “. Yeah, right , guilty by association but then aren’t they all. What a s**te show this is , with the Country in such a state these Tory w****rs are fighting amongst themselves to be top dog whilst those less fortunate are struggling to feed their families , pay their energy bills and , in certain circumstances see a GP or get a hospital bed in an emergency . Well, they do end up with a bed of sorts but that’s in the back of an ambulance, which arrives eventually. Inflation going up and wages falling further behind . Oh yes, with this lot in charge ( are that Rees - Mogg and Nadine Dorries characters for real or somebodies worst nightmare ) we are truly blessed . You are quite literally the old man cursing at the weather aren't you? |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 14, 2022 11:42:28 GMT 1
I’ve yet to hear what any of the candidates are proposing to do about the 31% of children in the UK who are living in poverty. I’d like someone to ask them that question to hear their replies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 11:43:28 GMT 1
Great watching and listening to the Tory hierarchy destroy each others careers
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Post by kp on Jul 14, 2022 11:43:49 GMT 1
Anyone on benefits of any kind can look out if the fool Braverman gets selected. Hopefully it won’t happen, but to hear her view on those less fortunate in our society makes me cringe. Tax cuts? No need when the people are being fleeced by those claiming benefits who are taking money out of the system when they could be working . According to her there’s just too many of the idle barstewards . Her compassionate side comes shining through . Yes, a society with Braverman at the helm will look a very hard place . She's correct. Next. Except most people claiming benefits are actually working, it is just they are paid too little. This means that actually it is the employers claiming the benefits, not the employee. Unless, of course, you are talking about the scroungers known as royals or those in the HOL, in which case, she is indeed correct...next. |
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Post by kenwood on Jul 14, 2022 11:50:04 GMT 1
I too hope Braverman and Badenoch get knocked out today . Their views are very similar . Hopefully Truss won’t make the final two ( please God ) and that Penny M and Sunak go to the Tory Party members for the final decision choosing Penny M . Sunak trying to distance himself from Bozo is just ridiculous. “ It wasn’t me sir , it was him, he made me do it “. Yeah, right , guilty by association but then aren’t they all. What a s**te show this is , with the Country in such a state these Tory w****rs are fighting amongst themselves to be top dog whilst those less fortunate are struggling to feed their families , pay their energy bills and , in certain circumstances see a GP or get a hospital bed in an emergency . Well, they do end up with a bed of sorts but that’s in the back of an ambulance, which arrives eventually. Inflation going up and wages falling further behind . Oh yes, with this lot in charge ( are that Rees - Mogg and Nadine Dorries characters for real or somebodies worst nightmare ) we are truly blessed . You are quite literally the old man cursing at the weather aren't you? At 72 yrs I am old I suppose but I can’t do anything about that. As for the weather , I’m lovin it, do like a bit of warmth at my time of life , good for my aching old bones . Thank you for your concern, deeply touched, as was Bozo Johnson but in a different way .👍😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 11:51:45 GMT 1
What a drab launch from Liz Truss this morning. I’m all for substance over style but not sure she had either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 11:54:45 GMT 1
What a drab launch from Liz Truss this morning. I’m all for substance over style but not sure she had either. Indeed, that was very uninspiring. I doubt that she will make the final two. She would certainly not get my vote. |
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