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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 15, 2022 8:46:02 GMT 1
No mention of the Ghandi award then which kind of overturns any question of Corbyn's so called terrorism support. Or no mention that he was talking to both sides and liaising with Paisley.If Corbyn and the Labour party had come categorically and said they supported Brexit in 2019, Johnson would have got nowhere near the majority he obtained. I think we can judge him on his actions, his words as well as those he has associated with. Some award does not overturn that in any way, shape or form. And so he was talking to people on both sides of the divide, where is it stated from those involved in that peace process that he played a big part (or any part) in the peace process considering we have others who are quite clear that he did not. And if Corbyn and Labour had done what they said they would do and honor the result of the referendum I doubt Johnson would have become PM in the first place (nevermind getting himself a majority as he did). I'm sure there were a good many in parliament who were dismayed to see Johnson become PM but I hope a good few will take a good look at themselves and the role they played in getting him there in the first place. If those in parliament who tried to reverse Brexit would have done what they should have done and accepted the result of the referendum then I don't think Johnson would have become PM, I think the divisions now seen in the UK wouldn't have been anywhere near what they are now and I think remain would be on a sound footing to start the campaign to rejoin the EU (however, because of the amount of division caused in trying to reverse the result, people are too scared to go there because they fear they will only stoke the divisions further). Corbyn, Labour, Starmer and others didn't do themselves any favours at all. |
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Post by servernaside on Jul 15, 2022 8:50:04 GMT 1
Shall I start a new thread about the next Tory leader and PM? i think you should. This thread has weirdly morphed into the Comrade Jezza show..............who? |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 15, 2022 8:55:36 GMT 1
Shall I start a new thread about the next Tory leader and PM? i think you should. This thread has weirdly morphed into the Comrade Jezza show..............who? Yeah, that's (in part) on me. Although I wasn't the one who went OT and started talking about 2019, Johnson and Corbyn. In my defense...👍 |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 15, 2022 8:57:01 GMT 1
Please, Conservative MPs amd members, don't vote this person in under any circumstances.
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Post by block12massive on Jul 15, 2022 9:02:46 GMT 1
Please, Conservative MPs amd members, don't vote this person in under any circumsrances. vote for someone because they once got confused trying to leave a room. Do vote for someone who once got confused if they were present in laying a wreath for a terrorist. Ok, got it. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 15, 2022 9:11:46 GMT 1
Please, Conservative MPs amd members, don't vote this person in under any circumstances. vote for someone because they once got confused trying to leave a room. Do vote for someone who once got confused if they were present in laying a wreath for a terrorist. Ok, got it. Weirdly obsessed.
Don't vote for someone who, at her own campaign launch to be leader, this week, couldn't find her way out of a paper bag.
Don't vote for the other one because he isn't standing to be leader of the Tory party.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 15, 2022 9:14:55 GMT 1
Braverman has now come out in support of Truss. I gather a good number of her backers will do likewise.
I'm just not sure about Truss. I was watching PM's questions on Wednesday and Truss was sat alongside Johnson and at times Truss just seemed to be disengaged from it all. I maybe being unfair to her here as I haven't heard her speak this campaign and perhaps that is her manner anyhow but looking to her on Wednesday I was just wondered whether she is having doubts. She doesn't look as confident as others.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 15, 2022 9:18:46 GMT 1
Braverman has now come out in support of Truss. I gather a good number of her backers will do likewise. I'm just not sure about Truss. I was watching PM's questions on Wednesday and Truss was sat alongside Johnson and at times Truss just seemed to be disengaged from it all. I maybe being unfair to her here as I haven't heard her speak this campaign and perhaps that is her manner anyhow but looking to her on Wednesday I was just wondered whether she is having doubts. She doesn't look as confident as others. To me she seems so lightweight. |
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Post by block12massive on Jul 15, 2022 9:19:42 GMT 1
Don't vote for someone because they once got confused trying to leave a room. Do vote for someone who once got confused if they were present in laying a wreath for a terrorist. Ok, got it. Weirdly obsessed.
Don't vote for someone who, at her own campaign launch to be leader, this week, couldn't find her way out of a paper bag.
Don't vote for the other one because he isn't standing to be leader of the Tory party.
I'm just trying to work out a logic in how you and others qualify those you deem to have the requisite credibilities as a potential PM and those who don't. |
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Post by darkshrew on Jul 15, 2022 9:25:22 GMT 1
The knives are out for Penny Maudant. It is going to be Liz Truss. She will win the 1v1 race against Sunak as the members are even more right wing than (most of) the MPs. Boris suddenly looks not so bad...
Nadine Dorries would be worse; is she the most unpleasant person in politics ? There is a lot of competition I know.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 15, 2022 9:39:14 GMT 1
Weirdly obsessed.
Don't vote for someone who, at her own campaign launch to be leader, this week, couldn't find her way out of a paper bag.
Don't vote for the other one because he isn't standing to be leader of the Tory party.
I'm just trying to work out a logic in how you and others qualify those you deem to have the requisite credibilities as a potential PM and those who don't. Lightweight
Versus gravitas, but a flawed liar.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 15, 2022 9:50:56 GMT 1
I'm just trying to work out a logic in how you and others qualify those you deem to have the requisite credibilities as a potential PM and those who don't. Lightweight
Versus gravitas, but a flawed liar.
heres the guy who lectures us about mentions of people not involved in the contest 🙈😩😬😔😳😞😕🫢 |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 15, 2022 9:57:34 GMT 1
Lightweight Versus gravitas, but a flawed liar.
heres the guy who lectures us about mentions of people not involved in the contest 🙈😩😬😔😳😞😕🫢 He is involved in the contest - he's the one we they are vying to replace. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 15, 2022 10:08:40 GMT 1
I really don't want Liz Truss, I don't really want Sunak that much either.
If we can avoid both it'll be a bonus.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 15, 2022 11:09:27 GMT 1
The Tory press were out for Sunak earlier in the week, and now for Morduant. I’ve really seen nothing in Truss that makes me think she has any personality or even oomph about her.
I think she would be the easiest opponent for Labour to attack before the next election, of the top 3.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 15, 2022 11:10:02 GMT 1
heres the guy who lectures us about mentions of people not involved in the contest 🙈😩😬😔😳😞😕🫢 He is involved in the contest - he's the one we they are vying to replace. yeah about as much as pogba is still part of the man u midfield 😜 |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 15, 2022 11:17:42 GMT 1
The Tory press were out for Sunak earlier in the week, and now for Morduant. I’ve really seen nothing in Truss that makes me think she has any personality or even oomph about her. I think she would be the easiest opponent for Labour to attack before the next election, of the top 3. I think she is so lightweight she would be blown away. Good for Labour, but she could be PM until the end of 2024, which would be very very bad for the country. |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 15, 2022 11:29:40 GMT 1
I'd be so disappointed if Truss gets it, may as well concede 2024 a hung parliament tomorrow if she gets it.
Sunak won't change much, people are getting disgruntled with his last 6 months of fiscal work and I doubt he'll drastically change course to appease many.
Change is required, I'd happily take any of the remaining three to be honest. They can all appear to wider parts of the country.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 15, 2022 11:41:41 GMT 1
He is involved in the contest - he's the one we they are vying to replace. yeah as much as pogba is still part of the man u midfield 😜 Nothing like that at all, Pogba was just another player. More like comparisons with the previous leader. As in the change from Fergie to Moyes:
"Sir Alex Ferguson has told Manchester United's fans to stand by David Moyes next season. Ferguson bows out next Sunday after securing a 2-1 win over Swansea in his final home game as manager. After the victory, he addressed the crowd and told them to get behind his replacement. "I would like to remind you this club stood by me in bad times, the players and the staff," he said. "Your job now is to stand by the new manager."
But you stick to your guns with your entrenched viewpoint. I'll stick to my viewpoint and we won't need to perpetuate a needless argument any further.
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Post by block12massive on Jul 15, 2022 11:47:47 GMT 1
I'd be so disappointed if Truss gets it, may as well concede 2024 a hung parliament tomorrow if she gets it. Sunak won't change much, people are getting disgruntled with his last 6 months of fiscal work and I doubt he'll drastically change course to appease many. Change is required, I'd happily take any of the remaining three to be honest. They can all appear to wider parts of the country. The irrelevant Lord Frost seemingly trying to make himself kingmaker and ensure an establishment coup. His wife works for Liz Truss so no conflict of interest there at all!  I fear Mordaunt will fall the same way that Leadsom did in 2016 when despite the early momentum, some of the dirt being thrown her way from within her party will eventually stick and she'll be forced to withdraw. The dark forces will ensure Sunak v Truss in the run off and the reality is everyone will lose. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 15, 2022 12:05:01 GMT 1
I really hope those members with a vote get a better choice than Sunak or Truss.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 15, 2022 12:07:56 GMT 1
I really hope those members with a vote get a better choice than Sunak or Truss. They're doing anything to keep Penny out of the final, she'll wipe the floor with them. I've just watched her extended interview, she is far and away the most competent, level headed candidate. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 15, 2022 12:34:42 GMT 1
im not a fan of any of the candidates but penny mordaunt is the only one iv seen to shut Ian Blackford of the SNP up
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 15, 2022 12:41:35 GMT 1
im not a fan of any of the candidates but penny mordaunt is the only one iv seen to shut Ian Blackford of the SNP up I think just about anybody could put that clown in his place, their record is appalling. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 15, 2022 12:51:42 GMT 1
I think the Mordaunt difference is she has a bit of character, more 3 dimensional. This is supposed to have happened because she lost a bet while training with the navy reserves. www.indy100.com/politics/penny-mordaunt-poultry-welfare-navyClip resurfaces of Penny Mordaunt repeatedly saying 'c**k' in Commons speech |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 15, 2022 12:54:48 GMT 1
im not a fan of any of the candidates but penny mordaunt is the only one iv seen to shut Ian Blackford of the SNP up I think just about anybody could put that clown in his place, their record is appalling. True but how many have acctually done it ? |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 15, 2022 13:34:15 GMT 1
If Truss does make the last two, hopefully she’ll get exposed in the scrutiny of the intense debate. She likes to make out she’s the experienced one, but she hasn’t had that much has she?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 15, 2022 13:59:06 GMT 1
I really hope those members with a vote get a better choice than Sunak or Truss. They're doing anything to keep Penny out of the final, she'll wipe the floor with them. I've just watched her extended interview, she is far and away the most competent, level headed candidate. Perhaps we'll get a better idea of that this evening with the first debate. Gut feeling is that Sunak will come under attack a fair bit but will be happy to keep the others at arms length, Truss will struggle, both Mordaunt and Badenoch will come out strong whilst Tugendhat will try to hard (trying to stay relevant in the race)... |
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 15, 2022 14:14:54 GMT 1
If I had a vote (which I don't) I'd currently pick Penny Mordaunt from the list remaining.
Really hope it's not Snake Sunak
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Post by kenwood on Jul 15, 2022 15:09:09 GMT 1
After Pilch has threatened to expose my posts ridiculing the Tory chancers vying for the top job I have had a rethink and have decided , taking all things into consideration , that Boris the Magnificent is the man for the job.
So, come back Boris , all is forgiven.
Compared to the remaining candidates he is far and away the best alternative if he can be described as his own “ alternative “?
Onward and Upward to those sunlit uplands it is then .
PS Penny M is my real favourite despite Lord Frost putting the boot in , in favour of Truss .
You’d think he’d got some sort of family connection with her wouldn’t you the way he’s carried on. 😉
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