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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jul 15, 2022 15:13:49 GMT 1
As others have said Mordaunt is the only one at the moment that I can see giving Labour trouble at the next election, but purely because people know nothing about her I imagine. With an unknown candidate people can reflect their own projections of what they think the person stands for.
I'm still hoping for Sunak to be honest, seems like he'll be a steady pair of hands until the next election.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 15, 2022 15:29:02 GMT 1
Penny Mordaunt says she would increase income tax thresholds for basic and middle income earners in line with inflation.
These thresholds - the point at which people start paying the tax or paying it at a higher rate - are currently frozen for four years from April 2022. This means when people get a pay rise they can be dragged into paying a higher rate, raising more revenue for the government.
That'll do for me. This is a totally unacceptable stealth tax brought in by Sunak.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 15, 2022 15:38:53 GMT 1
After Pilch has threatened to expose my posts ridiculing the Tory chancers vying for the top job I have had a rethink and have decided , taking all things into consideration , that Boris the Magnificent is the man for the job. So, come back Boris , all is forgiven. Compared to the remaining candidates he is far and away the best alternative if he can be described as his own “ alternative “? Onward and Upward to those sunlit uplands it is then . PS Penny M is my real favourite despite Lord Frost putting the boot in , in favour of Truss . You’d think he’d got some of family connection with her wouldn’t you the way he’s carried on. 😉 but come on, you can't spend months/years doing all you can to overthrow the leader and then after succeeding moan that some sort of process is taking place to find a replacement  |
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 15, 2022 15:44:15 GMT 1
No mention of the Ghandi award then which kind of overturns any question of Corbyn's so called terrorism support. Or no mention that he was talking to both sides and liaising with Paisley.If Corbyn and the Labour party had come categorically and said they supported Brexit in 2019, Johnson would have got nowhere near the majority he obtained. I think we can judge him on his actions, his words as well as those he has associated with. Some award does not overturn that in any way, shape or form. And so he was talking to people on both sides of the divide, where is it stated from those involved in that peace process that he played a big part (or any part) in the peace process considering we have others who are quite clear that he did not. And if Corbyn and Labour had done what they said they would do and honor the result of the referendum I doubt Johnson would have become PM in the first place (nevermind getting himself a majority as he did). I'm sure there were a good many in parliament who were dismayed to see Johnson become PM but I hope a good few will take a good look at themselves and the role they played in getting him there in the first place. If those in parliament who tried to reverse Brexit would have done what they should have done and accepted the result of the referendum then I don't think Johnson would have become PM, I think the divisions now seen in the UK wouldn't have been anywhere near what they are now and I think remain would be on a sound footing to start the campaign to rejoin the EU (however, because of the amount of division caused in trying to reverse the result, people are too scared to go there because they fear they will only stoke the divisions further). Corbyn, Labour, Starmer and others didn't do themselves any favours at all. Let us never forget that the reason May's deal was not accepted was because of her own side failing to vote for it. To people's mind at the time it was a bad deal and Labour duly opposed it. After all they were/are the Opposition!! So we are left with an even worse deal railroaded through with the slogan "Get Brexit Done" And also never let it be said that in the lead up to the referendum the Leave Campaign stated that, as far as trade was concerned, nothing would change. if they had lived up to their promise it would have gone a good way to healing any divisions with no problem over Northern Ireland and a large amount wind taken from the independence campaign of the SNP. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 15, 2022 15:45:13 GMT 1
After Pilch has threatened to expose my posts ridiculing the Tory chancers vying for the top job I have had a rethink and have decided , taking all things into consideration , that Boris the Magnificent is the man for the job. So, come back Boris , all is forgiven. Compared to the remaining candidates he is far and away the best alternative if he can be described as his own “ alternative “? Onward and Upward to those sunlit uplands it is then . PS Penny M is my real favourite despite Lord Frost putting the boot in , in favour of Truss . You’d think he’d got some of family connection with her wouldn’t you the way he’s carried on. 😉 You are only reflecting the Daily Mail editorial, which not only wants Boris back but is claiming that a recent poll says that their readers would rather have Boris than any of the present candidates for his job!  |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 15, 2022 15:59:48 GMT 1
I think we can judge him on his actions, his words as well as those he has associated with. Some award does not overturn that in any way, shape or form. And so he was talking to people on both sides of the divide, where is it stated from those involved in that peace process that he played a big part (or any part) in the peace process considering we have others who are quite clear that he did not. And if Corbyn and Labour had done what they said they would do and honor the result of the referendum I doubt Johnson would have become PM in the first place (nevermind getting himself a majority as he did). I'm sure there were a good many in parliament who were dismayed to see Johnson become PM but I hope a good few will take a good look at themselves and the role they played in getting him there in the first place. If those in parliament who tried to reverse Brexit would have done what they should have done and accepted the result of the referendum then I don't think Johnson would have become PM, I think the divisions now seen in the UK wouldn't have been anywhere near what they are now and I think remain would be on a sound footing to start the campaign to rejoin the EU (however, because of the amount of division caused in trying to reverse the result, people are too scared to go there because they fear they will only stoke the divisions further). Corbyn, Labour, Starmer and others didn't do themselves any favours at all. Let us never forget that the reason May's deal was not accepted was because of her own side failing to vote for it. To people's mind at the time it was a bad deal and Labour duly opposed it. After all they were/are the Opposition!! So we are left with an even worse deal railroaded through with the slogan "Get Brexit Done" And also never let it be said that in the lead up to the referendum the Leave Campaign stated that, as far as trade was concerned, nothing would change. if they had lived up to their promise it would have gone a good way to healing any divisions with no problem over Northern Ireland and a large amount wind taken from the independence campaign of the SNP. no one ever mentioned Northern Ireland on here before the vote , they were too busy being complacent that we would remain and brexit is binary, we went OUT |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 15, 2022 16:06:41 GMT 1
I think we can judge him on his actions, his words as well as those he has associated with. Some award does not overturn that in any way, shape or form. And so he was talking to people on both sides of the divide, where is it stated from those involved in that peace process that he played a big part (or any part) in the peace process considering we have others who are quite clear that he did not. And if Corbyn and Labour had done what they said they would do and honor the result of the referendum I doubt Johnson would have become PM in the first place (nevermind getting himself a majority as he did). I'm sure there were a good many in parliament who were dismayed to see Johnson become PM but I hope a good few will take a good look at themselves and the role they played in getting him there in the first place. If those in parliament who tried to reverse Brexit would have done what they should have done and accepted the result of the referendum then I don't think Johnson would have become PM, I think the divisions now seen in the UK wouldn't have been anywhere near what they are now and I think remain would be on a sound footing to start the campaign to rejoin the EU (however, because of the amount of division caused in trying to reverse the result, people are too scared to go there because they fear they will only stoke the divisions further). Corbyn, Labour, Starmer and others didn't do themselves any favours at all. Let us never forget that the reason May's deal was not accepted was because of her own side failing to vote for it. To people's mind at the time it was a bad deal and Labour duly opposed it. After all they were/are the Opposition!! So we are left with an even worse deal railroaded through with the slogan "Get Brexit Done" And also never let it be said that in the lead up to the referendum the Leave Campaign stated that, as far as trade was concerned, nothing would change. if they had lived up to their promise it would have gone a good way to healing any divisions with no problem over Northern Ireland and a large amount wind taken from the independence campaign of the SNP. In part, yes. But also because many others in parliament were doing their best not to find solutions or find compromise but to stall and reverse the result of the 2016 referendum. Which for many did ultimately result in a worse deal than the one available from May. I do wonder whether they look back and regret not supporting May. |
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 15, 2022 16:08:13 GMT 1
After Pilch has threatened to expose my posts ridiculing the Tory chancers vying for the top job I have had a rethink and have decided , taking all things into consideration , that Boris the Magnificent is the man for the job. So, come back Boris , all is forgiven. Compared to the remaining candidates he is far and away the best alternative if he can be described as his own “ alternative “? Onward and Upward to those sunlit uplands it is then . PS Penny M is my real favourite despite Lord Frost putting the boot in , in favour of Truss . You’d think he’d got some of family connection with her wouldn’t you the way he’s carried on. 😉 You are only reflecting the Daily Mail editorial, which not only wants Boris back but is claiming that a recent poll says that their readers would rather have Boris than any of the present candidates for his job! Which would seem to indicate that it actually is possible to fool some of the people all of the time!! |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 15, 2022 16:20:29 GMT 1
You are only reflecting the Daily Mail editorial, which not only wants Boris back but is claiming that a recent poll says that their readers would rather have Boris than any of the present candidates for his job! Which would seem to indicate that it actually is possible to fool some of the people all of the time!! Yes, at least 30% of the electorate will always vote Tory irrespective of who the leader is or what the policies are. |
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Post by kenwood on Jul 15, 2022 16:30:29 GMT 1
After Pilch has threatened to expose my posts ridiculing the Tory chancers vying for the top job I have had a rethink and have decided , taking all things into consideration , that Boris the Magnificent is the man for the job. So, come back Boris , all is forgiven. Compared to the remaining candidates he is far and away the best alternative if he can be described as his own “ alternative “? Onward and Upward to those sunlit uplands it is then . PS Penny M is my real favourite despite Lord Frost putting the boot in , in favour of Truss . You’d think he’d got some of family connection with her wouldn’t you the way he’s carried on. 😉 but come on, you can't spend months/years doing all you can to overthrow the leader and then after succeeding moan that some sort of process is taking place to find a replacement I take your point but let’s be honest, the list of replacements aren’t very awe inspiring are they . Even John Major would look dynamic compared to this lot . Of course I would prefer a Labour government but you know that . Even then I don’t think Starmer, on reflection , is quite the ticket . I like Chris Bryant , I like his honesty and the way he goes about things but is he a leader ? Perhaps not . Still , it is what it is and we shall eventually see who will take charge of a Government divided . I say this as I reflect on the ridiculous No of candidates putting themselves forward for selection . Someone should have had a word with a few along the lines of. “ you must be having a laugh “. So, I will continue to ridicule , as no doubt others would if the shoe was on the other foot . I’m having a laugh otherwise I’d bloody cry !If nothing else it fills the time before the season starts and then we can all vent our spleen at SC and his team, Or not , whatever the case may be. At the moment alls well in my world, went for a walk into Town, heard Suggs and his lot rehearsing in the Quarry , the sun was shining and people were paddling , rowing on the river . If nothing else I can put aside my vitriolic comments about certain Tory MP’s and enjoy the fact that I live in such a beautiful Town,that’ll do me for now.👍😉 |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 15, 2022 16:52:54 GMT 1
Which would seem to indicate that it actually is possible to fool some of the people all of the time!! Yes, at least 30% of the electorate will always vote Tory irrespective of who the leader is or what the policies are. And a huge chuck only vote Labour because Maggie closed the pits and their Dads and Grandad's have always been "working class"? There's a core on either side then floaters, the Tories have been appealing to the floaters for a decade or more. Labour need to work out why. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 15, 2022 18:09:37 GMT 1
Let us never forget that the reason May's deal was not accepted was because of her own side failing to vote for it. To people's mind at the time it was a bad deal and Labour duly opposed it. After all they were/are the Opposition!! So we are left with an even worse deal railroaded through with the slogan "Get Brexit Done" And also never let it be said that in the lead up to the referendum the Leave Campaign stated that, as far as trade was concerned, nothing would change. if they had lived up to their promise it would have gone a good way to healing any divisions with no problem over Northern Ireland and a large amount wind taken from the independence campaign of the SNP. no one ever mentioned Northern Ireland on here before the vote , they were too busy being complacent that we would remain and brexit is binary, we went OUT No two ways about it being binary but there were promises made by the leave campaign which were never met. |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 15, 2022 18:40:47 GMT 1
but come on, you can't spend months/years doing all you can to overthrow the leader and then after succeeding moan that some sort of process is taking place to find a replacement I take your point but let’s be honest, the list of replacements aren’t very awe inspiring are they . Even John Major would look dynamic compared to this lot . Of course I would prefer a Labour government but you know that . Even then I don’t think Starmer, on reflection , is quite the ticket . I like Chris Bryant , I like his honesty and the way he goes about things but is he a leader ? Perhaps not . Still , it is what it is and we shall eventually see who will take charge of a Government divided . I say this as I reflect on the ridiculous No of candidates putting themselves forward for selection . Someone should have had a word with a few along the lines of. “ you must be having a laugh “. So, I will continue to ridicule , as no doubt others would if the shoe was on the other foot . I’m having a laugh otherwise I’d bloody cry !If nothing else it fills the time before the season starts and then we can all vent our spleen at SC and his team, Or not , whatever the case may be. At the moment alls well in my world, went for a walk into Town, heard Suggs and his lot rehearsing in the Quarry , the sun was shining and people were paddling , rowing on the river . If nothing else I can put aside my vitriolic comments about certain Tory MP’s and enjoy the fact that I live in such a beautiful Town,that’ll do me for now.👍😉 we need another breath of fresh air like tony blair , imagine if boris had invaded an innocent country and slaughtered a million of them 😕 because one of his cabinet had a wild hunch 🤣 |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 15, 2022 18:52:06 GMT 1
I take your point but let’s be honest, the list of replacements aren’t very awe inspiring are they . Even John Major would look dynamic compared to this lot . Of course I would prefer a Labour government but you know that . Even then I don’t think Starmer, on reflection , is quite the ticket . I like Chris Bryant , I like his honesty and the way he goes about things but is he a leader ? Perhaps not . Still , it is what it is and we shall eventually see who will take charge of a Government divided . I say this as I reflect on the ridiculous No of candidates putting themselves forward for selection . Someone should have had a word with a few along the lines of. “ you must be having a laugh “. So, I will continue to ridicule , as no doubt others would if the shoe was on the other foot . I’m having a laugh otherwise I’d bloody cry !If nothing else it fills the time before the season starts and then we can all vent our spleen at SC and his team, Or not , whatever the case may be. At the moment alls well in my world, went for a walk into Town, heard Suggs and his lot rehearsing in the Quarry , the sun was shining and people were paddling , rowing on the river . If nothing else I can put aside my vitriolic comments about certain Tory MP’s and enjoy the fact that I live in such a beautiful Town,that’ll do me for now.👍😉 we need another breath of fresh air like tony blair , imagine if boris had invaded an innocent country and slaughtered a million of them 😕 because one of his cabinet had a wild hunch 🤣 Oh look, he's brought in another name from the distant past so we can devote another couple of pages to not talking about the thread subject, Boris' replacement.  |
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Post by kenwood on Jul 15, 2022 19:28:11 GMT 1
I take your point but let’s be honest, the list of replacements aren’t very awe inspiring are they . Even John Major would look dynamic compared to this lot . Of course I would prefer a Labour government but you know that . Even then I don’t think Starmer, on reflection , is quite the ticket . I like Chris Bryant , I like his honesty and the way he goes about things but is he a leader ? Perhaps not . Still , it is what it is and we shall eventually see who will take charge of a Government divided . I say this as I reflect on the ridiculous No of candidates putting themselves forward for selection . Someone should have had a word with a few along the lines of. “ you must be having a laugh “. So, I will continue to ridicule , as no doubt others would if the shoe was on the other foot . I’m having a laugh otherwise I’d bloody cry !If nothing else it fills the time before the season starts and then we can all vent our spleen at SC and his team, Or not , whatever the case may be. At the moment alls well in my world, went for a walk into Town, heard Suggs and his lot rehearsing in the Quarry , the sun was shining and people were paddling , rowing on the river . If nothing else I can put aside my vitriolic comments about certain Tory MP’s and enjoy the fact that I live in such a beautiful Town,that’ll do me for now.👍😉 we need another breath of fresh air like tony blair , imagine if boris had invaded an innocent country and slaughtered a million of them 😕 because one of his cabinet had a wild hunch 🤣 😂😂😂 yeah, just imagine that . Imagine if Boris had been in charge of a party during a pandemic and allowed patients to be discharged from hospital to residential homes when he knew it was likely that they were still infectious and therefore there was a good chance they would infect other vulnerable elderly . Perhaps even causing further deaths . Imagine that . |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 15, 2022 20:10:41 GMT 1
Watching the Channel 4 debate. Truss is so wooden and out of her depth.
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Post by kenwood on Jul 15, 2022 20:38:12 GMT 1
I’m quite impressed with Tom to be honest .
Truss is hopeless and I must admit I’ve been disappointed with Penny M’s performance so far.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 15, 2022 21:57:08 GMT 1
we need another breath of fresh air like tony blair , imagine if boris had invaded an innocent country and slaughtered a million of them 😕 because one of his cabinet had a wild hunch 🤣 😂😂😂 yeah, just imagine that . Imagine if Boris had been in charge of a party during a pandemic and allowed patients to be discharged from hospital to residential homes when he knew it was likely that they were still infectious and therefore there was a good chance they would infect other vulnerable elderly . Perhaps even causing further deaths . Imagine that . Blair would have cut the middle man out and flown a missile into the care home |
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Post by kenwood on Jul 15, 2022 22:15:59 GMT 1
😂😂😂 yeah, just imagine that . Imagine if Boris had been in charge of a party during a pandemic and allowed patients to be discharged from hospital to residential homes when he knew it was likely that they were still infectious and therefore there was a good chance they would infect other vulnerable elderly . Perhaps even causing further deaths . Imagine that . Blair would have cut the middle man out and flown a missile into the care home Thats where Boris and Blair differ . Boris is all for collective responsibility . That way it’s never his fault . You’ve got to admire him . Of course it also leaves him with a fall back position, he can just lie about it . 😉 |
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Post by darkshrew on Jul 15, 2022 22:18:59 GMT 1
Based purely on that performance I'd rank them:
1. Tugendhat
2. Sunak
3. Mordaunt
4. Badenoch
5. Truss
It cannot be "I deliver" Truss, can it ? She is just awful and there was no thought to anything she said.
Badenoch was uncomfortably aggressive towards Mordaunt and comes across as a bit of a difficult character who believes that she owns the truth.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 15, 2022 22:25:16 GMT 1
Blair would have cut the middle man out and flown a missile into the care home Thats where Boris and Blair differ . Boris is all for collective responsibility . That way it’s never his fault . You’ve got to admire him . Of course it also leaves him with a fall back position, he can just lie about it . 😉 lets get back to topic, I think I was right all along when I said force Boris out at your peril, I think that the girl penny might win this , I don't even know what she looks like but heard a couple of clips on the radio and unlike the pointy ears guy I like her tone and labour must be currently pulling out all the stops to dig up some dirt on her, ultimately they are all the same which is why I won't go as far as voting for someone and then feel the need to defend them |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 15, 2022 22:25:59 GMT 1
No doubt Dorries and Rees-Mogg will say that Truss won hands down.
She was too awful. I know I’m biased but dear me. baddenock also has to read from her notes frequently.
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Post by kenwood on Jul 15, 2022 22:32:23 GMT 1
Based purely on that performance I'd rank them: 1. Tugendhat 2. Sunak 3. Mordaunt 4. Badenoch 5. Truss It cannot be "I deliver" Truss, can it ? She is just awful and there was no thought to anything she said. Badenoch was uncomfortably aggressive towards Mordaunt and comes across as a bit of a difficult character who believes that she owns the truth. Yes, I saw it pretty much the same way . Very disappointed with Mordaunt’s performance , very poor , not a lot of substance . I think it looks very much like Sunak then . Wonder if Ben Wallace is having regrets ? |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 16, 2022 9:23:58 GMT 1
Thats where Boris and Blair differ . Boris is all for collective responsibility . That way it’s never his fault . You’ve got to admire him . Of course it also leaves him with a fall back position, he can just lie about it . 😉 lets get back to topic, I think I was right all along when I said force Boris out at your peril, I think that the girl penny might win this , I don't even know what she looks like but heard a couple of clips on the radio and unlike the pointy ears guy I like her tone and labour must be currently pulling out all the stops to dig up some dirt on her, ultimately they are all the same which is why I won't go as far as voting for someone and then feel the need to defend them It's not just Labour that's critical of Mordaunt. The Daily Mail are at present attacking her relentlessly in order to promote their favoured candidate, the wooden robotic Truss, who is backed by Rees Mogg and Dorries. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 16, 2022 9:40:49 GMT 1
Based purely on that performance I'd rank them: 1. Tugendhat 2. Sunak 3. Mordaunt 4. Badenoch 5. Truss It cannot be "I deliver" Truss, can it ? She is just awful and there was no thought to anything she said. Badenoch was uncomfortably aggressive towards Mordaunt and comes across as a bit of a difficult character who believes that she owns the truth .The Pollsters agree with you 100%! Opinium Poll. 'Tonight we asked over 1000 normal voters to watch the debate and we have just asked them who they thought performed best'. Results: Tugendhat 36% Sunak 25% Mordaunt 12% Badenoch 12% Truss 6% Truss comes over as truly appalling, so those supporting her must also be questioned as to their judgement. I strongly suspect that Team Sunak and Gavin Williamson want her name to be on the ballot to go to the Membership, as she's far less of a threat to them compared to Mordaunt. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 16, 2022 9:47:26 GMT 1
Liz Truss recreated Margaret Thatcher’s wardrobe appearance from her 1979 election broadcast down to the last detail!
'Time bends and stalls when you’re in the parallel universe of a Liz Truss speech. She leaves audiences begging for a lethal injection'.
John Crace. The Guardian.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 16, 2022 9:50:29 GMT 1
Is Boris Johnson an honest man?
Kemi: Sometimes.
Penny: Severe issues & he paid price.
Rishi: Trust & honesty part of reason I resigned.
Liz: He's been clear he made mistakes.
Tom: No (gets applause).
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 16, 2022 10:26:19 GMT 1
As others have said Mordaunt is the only one at the moment that I can see giving Labour trouble at the next election, but purely because people know nothing about her I imagine. With an unknown candidate people can reflect their own projections of what they think the person stands for. I'm still hoping for Sunak to be honest, seems like he'll be a steady pair of hands until the next election. Steady to the point of sleepwalking!
Doesn't seem to offer much, but, perhaps unfettered by the one who shall remain nameless who he would replace, he might be a little more proactive?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 16, 2022 10:29:39 GMT 1
Based purely on that performance I'd rank them: 1. Tugendhat 2. Sunak 3. Mordaunt 4. Badenoch 5. Truss It cannot be "I deliver" Truss, can it ? She is just awful and there was no thought to anything she said. Badenoch was uncomfortably aggressive towards Mordaunt and comes across as a bit of a difficult character who believes that she owns the truth .The Pollsters agree with you 100%! Opinium Poll. 'Tonight we asked over 1000 normal voters to watch the debate and we have just asked them who they thought performed best'. Results: Tugendhat 36% Sunak 25% Mordaunt 12% Badenoch 12% Truss 6% Truss comes over as truly appalling, so those supporting her must also be questioned as to their judgement. I strongly suspect that Team Sunak and Gavin Williamson want her name to be on the ballot to go to the Membership, as she's far less of a threat to them compared to Mordaunt. Truss far less of a threat to Sunak than any of them by the looks of that poll!
Mind you, what's it matter what "normal voters" think when it will be Conservative party members who decide for us?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 16, 2022 10:37:44 GMT 1
No doubt Dorries and Rees-Mogg will say that Truss won hands down. Does anyone actually value an endorsement from those two? |
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