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Post by kenwood on Jul 16, 2022 10:57:45 GMT 1
No doubt Dorries and Rees-Mogg will say that Truss won hands down. Does anyone actually value an endorsement from those two? If I were Truss the last thing I’d want is an endorsement from Dorries or Rees- Mogg. It would be the kiss of death , almost a “ well, if those two f.ckwits like me I must be s**te “ moment . At the moment I cannot see anything but a Sunak victory but there again I’m not a Tory Party member , who knows who those swivel eyed loons will vote for.😳🤔 |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 16, 2022 14:34:35 GMT 1
No doubt Dorries and Rees-Mogg will say that Truss won hands down. Does anyone actually value an endorsement from those two? Probably not, but they take themselves very seriously. The Tweedledum and Tweedledee of British politics. |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 16, 2022 14:54:55 GMT 1
no one ever mentioned Northern Ireland on here before the vote , they were too busy being complacent that we would remain and brexit is binary, we went OUT No two ways about it being binary but there were promises made by the leave campaign which were never met. yes, the trade deal with Russia isn't going well is it ? |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 16, 2022 15:05:32 GMT 1
Does anyone actually value an endorsement from those two? Probably not, but they take themselves very seriously. The Tweedledum and Tweedledee of British politics. They certainly have rivals on the back benches though. Fabricant and Bone for starters! Mind you, I believe that Boris has now promoted Bone to Deputy Leader of the House. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 16, 2022 15:51:04 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2022 15:55:35 GMT 1
Does anyone actually value an endorsement from those two? there again I’m not a Tory Party member , who knows who those swivel eyed loons will vote for.😳🤔 Indeed, wouldn't you like to know (me being one of those "loons" as you so describe). |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 16, 2022 16:07:15 GMT 1
yes the knives are out for her. |
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 16, 2022 16:15:33 GMT 1
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Post by kenwood on Jul 16, 2022 17:13:39 GMT 1
there again I’m not a Tory Party member , who knows who those swivel eyed loons will vote for.😳🤔 Indeed, wouldn't you like to know (me being one of those "loons" as you so describe). Of course I didn’t mean “all “ Tory party members . I suppose it’s to late to apologise . 🤭 |
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 16, 2022 17:24:00 GMT 1
It is a frightening thought that these people who are sticking knives into each other so as to climb a greasy pole will, in a few weeks time, be backing the eventual winner in order to ensure that they stay as MPs in the future
I doubt any of them have any principles apart from putting party before ethics.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 16, 2022 17:51:21 GMT 1
It is a frightening thought that these people who are sticking knives into each other so as to climb a greasy pole will, in a few weeks time, be backing the eventual winner in order to ensure that they stay as MPs in the future I doubt any of them have any principles apart from putting party before ethics. Being in power is the only principle they recognise. |
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Post by salop27 on Jul 16, 2022 18:26:59 GMT 1
I find it totally depressing that tax cuts and give aways seem to be the main topic of debate. Meanwhile the NHS struggles continue, my wife's experience of trying to see a GP has been shocking and who can afford dental care?
The NHS needs major reform but no one wants to do it.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 16, 2022 18:30:48 GMT 1
It is a frightening thought that these people who are sticking knives into each other so as to climb a greasy pole will, in a few weeks time, be backing the eventual winner in order to ensure that they stay as MPs in the future I doubt any of them have any principles apart from putting party before ethics. Being in power is the only principle they recognise. just look at them tories , I can't stand any of em  |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 16, 2022 18:55:31 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 17, 2022 8:20:06 GMT 1
from a security point of view there was no justification for that meeting equally how many MP's lobby for china as they flex there muscles; www.cityam.com/china-lobby-tells-uk-embrace-beijing-or-suffer-business-backlash/The UK will lose billions of pounds in private sector investment if it does not reverse its growing hostility toward China, according to a pro-Beijing business lobby. The China Chamber of Commerce in the UK – which counts Huawei, ZTE and Air China as members – warned that its members may rethink their future UK strategies unless there is a thawing of the Beijing-London relationship. Its chair also warned that there could be backlash against UK companies that are popular in China, such as Jaguar Land Rover and Burberry. from the mail A powerful network of British business and political elites rub shoulders with Chinese dignitaries and top executives, an insider has revealed to MailOnline. London's 48 Club, which aims to strengthen the UK's commercial ties with Beijing, has come under the microscope after an explosive new book claimed its members were being 'groomed' by the Chinese state. The Club has rubbished the claims made in the Hidden Hand as 'inaccurate' and insisted it is an 'independent' company. from the mail it is hard to belive but she was allowed to stay in the uk!! Christine Lee, 58, secretly funnelled cash to prospective MP she hoped would secure her influence long term They did not succeed in gaining office, it emerged last night Chinese solicitor exposed as a Communist agent by MI5 boasted of her influence with 'government ministers, senior civil servants and peers' She posted photos of herself in Downing Street, Houses of Parliament and Supreme Court |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 17, 2022 9:13:33 GMT 1
Yes, at least 30% of the electorate will always vote Tory irrespective of who the leader is or what the policies are. There's a core on either side 32.1% voted for Corbyn in 2019. Say no more.👍 |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 17, 2022 9:26:53 GMT 1
there again I’m not a Tory Party member , who knows who those swivel eyed loons will vote for.😳🤔 Indeed, wouldn't you like to know (me being one of those "loons" as you so describe). Someones shouting at clouds again.  Appreciate you may not wish to share your thoughts on this and fully understand that but some of us (well me at least) would like to know where you stand on things. As when looking at the news this morning there does seem to be a difference of opinion when it comes to the party and the membership. Sunak having most MP's backing him (at the minute anyhow) but Badenoch leading a poll from ConservativeHome (Sunak in 4th place)...which does suggest this is all very much up in the air... DOUBLE DIGIT MEMBERSHIP POLL LEAD FOR INSURGENT KEMI |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 17, 2022 9:40:40 GMT 1
Indeed, wouldn't you like to know (me being one of those "loons" as you so describe). Someones shouting at clouds again. Appreciate you may not wish to share your thoughts on this and fully understand that but some of us (well me at least) would like to know where you stand on things. As when looking at the news this morning there does seem to be a difference of opinion when it comes to the party and the membership. Sunak having most MP's backing him (at the minute anyhow) but Badenoch leading a poll from ConservativeHome (Sunak in 4th place)...which does suggest this is all very much up in the air... DOUBLE DIGIT MEMBERSHIP POLL LEAD FOR INSURGENT KEMIWhich confirms that Team Sunak will move heaven and earth to make sure that the useless Truss is the other candidate to be put to the Membership. They've certainly got the Daily Mail helping them by remorselessly promoting Truss and bad mouthing Mordaunt. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 17, 2022 10:00:53 GMT 1
Someones shouting at clouds again. Appreciate you may not wish to share your thoughts on this and fully understand that but some of us (well me at least) would like to know where you stand on things. As when looking at the news this morning there does seem to be a difference of opinion when it comes to the party and the membership. Sunak having most MP's backing him (at the minute anyhow) but Badenoch leading a poll from ConservativeHome (Sunak in 4th place)...which does suggest this is all very much up in the air... DOUBLE DIGIT MEMBERSHIP POLL LEAD FOR INSURGENT KEMIWhich confirms that Team Sunak will move heaven and earth to make sure that the useless Truss is the other candidate to be put to the Membership. They've certainly got the Daily Mail helping them by remorselessly promoting Truss and bad mouthing Mordaunt. So looking to this poll, I guess you think the Mail will now start to attack Badenoch? Or maybe they have done already? As I think there have been polls even before now that show both Mordaunt and Badenoch would beat Sunak when it comes to the membership. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 17, 2022 10:10:32 GMT 1
Which confirms that Team Sunak will move heaven and earth to make sure that the useless Truss is the other candidate to be put to the Membership. They've certainly got the Daily Mail helping them by remorselessly promoting Truss and bad mouthing Mordaunt. So looking to this poll, I guess you think the Mail will now start to attack Badenoch? Or maybe they have done already? As I think there have been polls even before now that show both Mordaunt and Badenoch would beat Sunak when it comes to the membership. Yes, I'd expect attacks on Badenoch once we've seen to whom Braverman's and (presumably) Tugenhat's supporters votes have been allocated. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 17, 2022 10:17:05 GMT 1
So looking to this poll, I guess you think the Mail will now start to attack Badenoch? Or maybe they have done already? As I think there have been polls even before now that show both Mordaunt and Badenoch would beat Sunak when it comes to the membership. Yes, I'd expect attacks on Badenoch once we've seen to whom Braverman's and (presumably) Tugenhat's supporters votes have been allocated. We wait and see...👍 |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 17, 2022 11:23:18 GMT 1
i think if the tory leadership was up to the public i would hope most people would not vote for anyone who has sereved in Boris the clowns cabinet as for me they are all complicient in making a mess of things
just as a side point when estonia become independent all the established politicians were swept aside and many of the people who turned the country around where in there early thirtys or younger and they have built a country that is now the economic tiger of the baltic because they thought outside the box,were inclusive and wanted to do there best for there country .
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 17, 2022 11:24:11 GMT 1
The race is still in the hands of Tory MPs is it not? I would hope Tory MPs are more aware of how useless Liz Truss is and more aware of the relative strengths of candidates and less likely to be influenced by the Daily Mail. Hope so anyway - that's probably why Penny M, Tom T and Kemi B are still there - I doubt the public, including Conservative party members, knew much about them before this selection process.
My Current opionion, for what it's worth since I won't have a vote:
Fishy Rishi - One minute there was a magic money tree, then there wasn't. One minute a windfall tax was out of the question, then it wasn't. Has no idea how much small income changes mean to those on tight budgets. Not worthy of being PM.
Liz Truss - Probably a cyborg put together in Rees-Moggs garage. To understand how awful she would be, think if she was your boss at work....
Kemi B - Thoughful. Being criticised about 2050 agreement. But, some of the strands of that need more thinking - stop making diesal and petrol cars by 2030? Why not just try to make them more efficent? Where's all the leccy going to come from if everyone goes EV? If we stop gas boilers soon can we make the alternatives affordable and efficient?
Tom T, Honest, but probably no chance. Can say some things because he wasn't so linked in to the Johnson cabinet.
Penny M - Would be a breath of fresh air for the Tory party. Maybe not perfect, but human like Boris seems to be without the really unacceptable bits.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 11:52:04 GMT 1
Indeed, wouldn't you like to know (me being one of those "loons" as you so describe). Someones shouting at clouds again. Appreciate you may not wish to share your thoughts on this and fully understand that but some of us (well me at least) would like to know where you stand on things. As when looking at the news this morning there does seem to be a difference of opinion when it comes to the party and the membership. Sunak having most MP's backing him (at the minute anyhow) but Badenoch leading a poll from ConservativeHome (Sunak in 4th place)...which does suggest this is all very much up in the air... DOUBLE DIGIT MEMBERSHIP POLL LEAD FOR INSURGENT KEMII'm still undecided at this moment in time to be honest. I have found some of the debates and interviews to date to be disappointing, hopefully tonight's TV debate will change that. Ask me again when the final 2 are announced. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 17, 2022 12:15:07 GMT 1
Someones shouting at clouds again. Appreciate you may not wish to share your thoughts on this and fully understand that but some of us (well me at least) would like to know where you stand on things. As when looking at the news this morning there does seem to be a difference of opinion when it comes to the party and the membership. Sunak having most MP's backing him (at the minute anyhow) but Badenoch leading a poll from ConservativeHome (Sunak in 4th place)...which does suggest this is all very much up in the air... DOUBLE DIGIT MEMBERSHIP POLL LEAD FOR INSURGENT KEMII'm still undecided at this moment in time to be honest. I have found some of the debates and interviews to date to be disappointing, hopefully tonight's TV debate will change that. Ask me again when the final 2 are announced. Best thing, be a floating voter - floating on a lilo somwewhere cool until the MPs have done their bit and given you the final two. What's the point of getting all steamed up about a candidate that you might not even get a chance to vote for? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 12:59:38 GMT 1
I'm still undecided at this moment in time to be honest. I have found some of the debates and interviews to date to be disappointing, hopefully tonight's TV debate will change that. Ask me again when the final 2 are announced. Best thing, be a floating voter - floating on a lilo somwewhere cool until the MPs have done their bit and given you the final two. What's the point of getting all steamed up about a candidate that you might not even get a chance to vote for? Indeed. From day one I had hoped Ben Wallace would have put his name in the ring, but sadly it was not to be. |
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Post by DiglisShrew on Jul 17, 2022 13:06:48 GMT 1
Just watched Penny Mordaunt on Sunday Morning programme .
Obviously been briefed to answer all difficult questions re the economy with the answer “now is not the time to be discussing / deciding this” !! I beg to differ !!
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Post by Valerioch on Jul 17, 2022 13:12:54 GMT 1
Thought Ms Mordaunt looked competent and composed on BBC this morning
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Post by servernaside on Jul 17, 2022 13:54:56 GMT 1
Fail to see why the intimate pros and cons of conservative party leadership are being played out so fully in the media and also on this thread, when none of us - excluding party members - a mere 200,000 people, will be making the decision.
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Post by kenwood on Jul 17, 2022 13:56:54 GMT 1
Best thing, be a floating voter - floating on a lilo somwewhere cool until the MPs have done their bit and given you the final two. What's the point of getting all steamed up about a candidate that you might not even get a chance to vote for? Indeed. From day one I had hoped Ben Wallace would have put his name in the ring, but sadly it was not to be. Yes, I did wonder on a previous post whether Ben Wallace regrets his decision not to stand. I thought he would be decent and it would have been good to have had the opportunity to see where he stands on certain issues . I don’t appreciate the likes of Frost rubbishing Mordaunt and I can’t help but think , well, his wife works for Truss and it’s only to be expected. Sunak remains the big favourite with the parliamentary party , lots of support and he doesn’t seem to be tarnished by his close relationship with Johnson . Truss for me just doesn’t do it . I’m sure Starmer would love to face her across the dispatch box,but as someone who we are looking to to run the Country in effect , forget it. Badenoch is growing on me and I can’t really put my finger on why. Perhaps it’s because she comes across cool and calm , confident and in control . All these certainly and I can see her giving Starmer a run for his money . But is she on top of the big issues ? Anyway, I like her and Tom T . With Tom it’s his lack of experience that goes against him but I do like him. Putting aside my Labour hat and thinking who would be good for the Country it’s a close run thing between Sunak and Badenoch. Sticking my neck out , Badenoch for me . There you have it . |
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