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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 24, 2022 20:23:31 GMT 1
Why, and I hope I am proved wrong, does Russia seem to have the edge with the dirty tactics? The cyber attacks? The assasinations? Because you won't hear about any from this side. It doesn't mean nothing happens. Bring it on.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 24, 2022 20:38:07 GMT 1
"Moscow is willing to negotiate terms of surrender with Kiev regarding the ongoing Russian military offensive currently taking place in Ukraine, Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov said on Thursday.
According to Peskov, Russian President Vladimir Putin has expressed his preparedness to engage in discussions with his Ukrainian counterpart, with a focus on obtaining a guarantee of neutral status and the promise of no weapons on its territory".
~Hmmmm
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 24, 2022 20:56:34 GMT 1
Hey, people! I may have come up with a "positive' arising out of all of this: the possibility that the more sensible senior members of the Republican Party will at last rid themselves of the idiot which is Trump.
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Feb 24, 2022 21:14:17 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 24, 2022 21:32:40 GMT 1
I don't really think so - pretty much PLA normal behaviour, akin to the visits towards the UK's own area of interest by Russian "Bear" aircraft.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 24, 2022 21:38:02 GMT 1
The Daily Mail itself puts this into context with it's sub headline "The number of aircraft involved was well off the last large-scale incursion, 39 Chinese aircraft on January 23, and since then, such fly-bys have been sporadic with far fewer aircraft".
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 24, 2022 21:40:28 GMT 1
The Daily Mail itself puts this into context with it's sub headline "The number of aircraft involved was well off the last large-scale incursion, 39 Chinese aircraft on January 23, and since then, such fly-bys have been sporadic with far fewer aircraft". Exactly!
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Feb 24, 2022 21:49:16 GMT 1
Something strange going on in China.. I was working with a load of Chinese lads recently, non of them can get home , all flights to China cancelled from anywhere, The COVID protocols were crazy if flights were going.. quarantine in the country you’re in for 14 days.. travel to airport have 2 COVID tests in the airport car park, then straight to the plane , then 21 days quarantine when you land in china
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 24, 2022 22:05:42 GMT 1
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Feb 25, 2022 0:04:48 GMT 1
137 Ukrainian citizens - both soldiers and civilians - died on the first day of a massive Russian military assault, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2022 0:46:20 GMT 1
137 Ukrainian citizens - both soldiers and civilians - died on the first day of a massive Russian military assault, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says. All down to one man: Putin. He's had it on the world stage now, will never be listened to again. Until they are rid of him Russia is off the agenda for sports, tourism, commerce, etc. Sad that it's come to this after so many years of relative peace, but the writing has been on the wall since Putin became president. The great bear reduced to a pariah, until he's gone anyway
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 25, 2022 8:10:15 GMT 1
I'm calling this early. Putin is actually insane, he is not a man in control of his own mind, he's lost the plot. I think this will be proven in time. that was one hell of a threat he gave on TV. I think I've only really clocked how significant that was when looking to the comments from the French Foreign Minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian... Asked whether Putin's threat of "such consequences that you have never encountered in your history" was tantamount to threatening Russian use nuclear weapons in the Ukraine conflict, Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said it was indeed understood as such.
"Yes, I think that Vladimir Putin must also understand that the Atlantic alliance is a nuclear alliance. That is all I will say about this," Le Drian said on Thursday on French television TF1.
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Post by neilsalop on Feb 25, 2022 8:19:46 GMT 1
A Latvian woman I work with was saying last week how much she admired Putin and that there was no way he would invade the Ukraine. I've been working away this week, so it will be interesting to hear her opinion now. Once he has stamped out the embers of democracy in Kiev he will be looking to other former Soviet states to repeat the trick on. Unfortunately for him the Baltic countries are actually in NATO, so it would be unlikely that he would try there, but he will do his utmost to destabilise the governments there and shoehorn his own supporters into position of power given the chance.
There are however still a few places left to choose from in the south. He already has effective control of Belarus, has already tried to bring Georgia back under his control, brutally stamped out the Chechen breakaway movement, backed rebels in Moldova and declared that Russia will never leave Nagorno-Karabakh.
Don't think that this conflict is going end his ambitions, because it will only feed his ego and unless the West stop him he will keep going until he has rebuilt the Soviet Union.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 25, 2022 8:20:08 GMT 1
I am sure that there are some "useful idiots", Kremlin apologists, who will repeat the Kremlin line of "NATO expansion" but that is a nonsence: sovereign independent states apply, through the practice of liberal democratic processes, to join that organisation, and it is not for any external power to seek to impose a contrary judgment by military means - it really is as simple as that. I suppose "useful idiots" is one way of putting it. Thankfully they never made it into government and thankfully they no longer make up the Labour front bench. I guess it goes without saying that Corbyn will keep his name to it but...
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Post by shrewder on Feb 25, 2022 9:10:10 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 25, 2022 9:14:49 GMT 1
By coincidence I’d just read this. Even more depressing for everyone.
It’s really hard to accept that one man can cause such harm and distress to people who just want to live their lives as best they can.
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Post by shrewder on Feb 25, 2022 9:18:34 GMT 1
By coincidence I’d just read this. Even more depressing for everyone. It’s really hard to accept that one man can cause such harm and distress to people who just want to live their lives as best they can. Yes a very interesting article. Explains the situation very well.
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Post by TOP MONNER on Feb 25, 2022 9:48:56 GMT 1
You have to wonder if the Russians have the stomach for what could be a long, drawn out and costly campaign for them.
Sanctions are likely to take a while to come into effect and when it does it will be the Russian people that suffer first. Our best hope is appealing to the nature of the Russian people, the majority of whom do not want conflict and view Ukraine as their friends.
A guest on Question Time last night, I don't recall his name, claimed that Russia have 13,000 tanks compared to France, Germany and UK who have approximately 200 each.
Frightening if true.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 25, 2022 10:22:40 GMT 1
By coincidence I’d just read this. Even more depressing for everyone. It’s really hard to accept that one man can cause such harm and distress to people who just want to live their lives as best they can. Tbh, it doesn't really tell me very much more than I knew, or strongly suspected, before.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 25, 2022 10:48:01 GMT 1
unfortently not a suprise china has been esculating the number of intrusions into taiwans air space for the last 14 months , as china got away with stealing a disputed area from vietnam they a putin will exploit any oportunity.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Feb 25, 2022 10:54:27 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2022 10:54:38 GMT 1
The fact is that Ukraine are going to lose. So, to limit the damage they might as well accede to Putin's stated aim - "Nuetrality" sooner rather than later. Ukraine is going to become another Belarus, but it's probably their only option, maybe that will buy them time before Putin manages to get a stooge elected as President of the Ukraine.
Meanwile, Hacker collective ‘Anonymous’ has declared a “cyber war” against Russia, claiming to have disabled several Russian government websites. Good luck folks.
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Post by shrewder on Feb 25, 2022 11:43:49 GMT 1
By coincidence I’d just read this. Even more depressing for everyone. It’s really hard to accept that one man can cause such harm and distress to people who just want to live their lives as best they can. Tbh, it doesn't really tell me very much more than I knew, or strongly suspected, before. It wasn't just written for you.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 25, 2022 11:44:27 GMT 1
The fact is that Ukraine are going to lose. So, to limit the damage they might as well accede to Putin's stated aim - "Nuetrality" sooner rather than later. Ukraine is going to become another Belarus, but it's probably their only option, maybe that will buy them time before Putin manages to get a stooge elected as President of the Ukraine. Meanwile, Hacker collective ‘Anonymous’ has declared a “cyber war” against Russia, claiming to have disabled several Russian government websites. Good luck folks. In the immediate term, you are probably - and regrettably - accurate in your assertion that "Ukraine are going to lose"; however it isn't just Ukraine is it: it is all of us, mainly in the "West" who, for whatever reason, believe in liberal democracy. I do wish the BBC would stop pandering to the Kremlin line of NATO expansionism, as if that organisation had the will or legitimate authority to expand anywhere entirely by itself, although in the broad scheme of things that is a minor and insignificant irritant. On the other hand, whilst accepting that their views are a million miles away from Labour policy, I genuinely do not understand the thinking of those signatories to the "Stop the War coalition"; I do not deny them the right to hold those views - and to characterise them as "treasonous" is to set forth on a dangerous path - but I have to ask whether they are really conscious of the freedoms available to us all, under our current "western" systems, and are therefore prepared to defend it, in the face of an attack by an autocratic, deeply nationalistic, and essentially fascist individual; if they are not prepared to defend those rights which they enjoy, as do the rest of us, then surely they forfeit the right to be Labour candidates or MPs in the House of Commons. Fortunately, from my perspective, these individuals remain a fairly insignificant part of our political discourse, so I won't be paying them any great heed, but if someone is able to enlighten me on their thinking - not the intracacies of the inner workings of the Labour Party - I would be most grateful.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 25, 2022 11:47:08 GMT 1
Tbh, it doesn't really tell me very much more than I knew, or strongly suspected, before. It wasn't just written for you. Absolutely fair comment! 👍
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 25, 2022 11:52:37 GMT 1
The fact is that Ukraine are going to lose. So, to limit the damage they might as well accede to Putin's stated aim - "Nuetrality" sooner rather than later. Ukraine is going to become another Belarus, but it's probably their only option, maybe that will buy them time before Putin manages to get a stooge elected as President of the Ukraine. Meanwile, Hacker collective ‘Anonymous’ has declared a “cyber war” against Russia, claiming to have disabled several Russian government websites. Good luck folks. Don't write them off.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2022 11:56:16 GMT 1
The fact is that Ukraine are going to lose. So, to limit the damage they might as well accede to Putin's stated aim - "Nuetrality" sooner rather than later. Ukraine is going to become another Belarus, but it's probably their only option, maybe that will buy them time before Putin manages to get a stooge elected as President of the Ukraine. Meanwile, Hacker collective ‘Anonymous’ has declared a “cyber war” against Russia, claiming to have disabled several Russian government websites. Good luck folks. In the immediate term, you are probably - and regrettably - accurate in your assertion that "Ukraine are going to lose"; however it isn't just Ukraine is it: it is all of us, mainly in the "West" who, for whatever reason, believe in liberal democracy. I do wish the BBC would stop pandering to the Kremlin line of NATO expansionism, as if that organisation had the will or legitimate authority to expand anywhere entirely by itself, although in the broad scheme of things that is a minor and insignificant irritant. On the other hand, whilst accepting that their views are a million miles away from Labour policy, I genuinely do not understand the thinking of those signatories to the "Stop the War coalition"; I do not deny them the right to hold those views - and to characterise them as "treasonous" is to set forth on a dangerous path - but I have to ask whether they are really conscious of the freedoms available to us all, under our current "western" systems, and are therefore prepared to defend it, in the face of an attack by an autocratic, deeply nationalistic, and essentially fascist individual; if they are not prepared to defend those rights which they enjoy, as do the rest of us, then surely they forfeit the right to be Labour candidates or MPs in the House of Commons. Fortunately, from my perspective, these individuals remain a fairly insignificant part of our political discourse, so I won't be paying them any great heed, but if someone is able to enlighten me on their thinking - not the intracacies of the inner workings of the Labour Party - I would be most grateful. I've not taken much notice of the little gnat bite that is this letter in the grand scheme of things - was it before the invasion? In which case stopping the war was top priority, especially now we know how far it's gone and what it might lead to. Like I say, haven't much notice, it's Putin we have to keep our eyes on, Putin alone, not the Russian people, nor even the Russian nation, apart from one or two Putin lackeys.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2022 12:01:41 GMT 1
The fact is that Ukraine are going to lose. So, to limit the damage they might as well accede to Putin's stated aim - "Nuetrality" sooner rather than later. Ukraine is going to become another Belarus, but it's probably their only option, maybe that will buy them time before Putin manages to get a stooge elected as President of the Ukraine. Meanwile, Hacker collective ‘Anonymous’ has declared a “cyber war” against Russia, claiming to have disabled several Russian government websites. Good luck folks. Don't write them off. This is plucky Shrewsbury Town versus Chelsea - almost literally.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 25, 2022 12:02:58 GMT 1
In the immediate term, you are probably - and regrettably - accurate in your assertion that "Ukraine are going to lose"; however it isn't just Ukraine is it: it is all of us, mainly in the "West" who, for whatever reason, believe in liberal democracy. I do wish the BBC would stop pandering to the Kremlin line of NATO expansionism, as if that organisation had the will or legitimate authority to expand anywhere entirely by itself, although in the broad scheme of things that is a minor and insignificant irritant. On the other hand, whilst accepting that their views are a million miles away from Labour policy, I genuinely do not understand the thinking of those signatories to the "Stop the War coalition"; I do not deny them the right to hold those views - and to characterise them as "treasonous" is to set forth on a dangerous path - but I have to ask whether they are really conscious of the freedoms available to us all, under our current "western" systems, and are therefore prepared to defend it, in the face of an attack by an autocratic, deeply nationalistic, and essentially fascist individual; if they are not prepared to defend those rights which they enjoy, as do the rest of us, then surely they forfeit the right to be Labour candidates or MPs in the House of Commons. Fortunately, from my perspective, these individuals remain a fairly insignificant part of our political discourse, so I won't be paying them any great heed, but if someone is able to enlighten me on their thinking - not the intracacies of the inner workings of the Labour Party - I would be most grateful. I've not taken much notice of the little gnat bite that is this letter in the grand scheme of things - was it before the invasion? In which case stopping the war was top priority, especially now we know how far it's gone and what it might lead to. Like I say, haven't much notice, it's Putin we have to keep our eyes on, Putin alone, not the Russian people, nor even the Russian nation, apart from one or two Putin lackeys. True!
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 25, 2022 12:08:52 GMT 1
Hopefully they’ll also ban Russian owned clubs as well.
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