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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 25, 2022 12:26:02 GMT 1
Hopefully they’ll also ban Russian owned clubs as well. Which of course could completely change the likes of Chelsea. Would they ever be at the same level if Abramovic wasnt allowed to own them?
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2022 12:29:16 GMT 1
Hopefully they’ll also ban Russian owned clubs as well. Not a bad idea - perhaps something that prompts those clubs to be sold on? Any proceeds stay on account here.
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Post by champagneprince on Feb 25, 2022 12:33:21 GMT 1
So, I spoke to my Belarusian fiancee last night and basically she is numb and like jelly inside. She fears we will never meet again and that the iron curtain has fallen over her country because of two men. She feels deep shame that her country has been complicit in aiding Russia and sickened by the footage she has seen of the attacks. She has friends in Ukraine and work acquaintances, who she has known for twenty years or more. She is frightened that her son, aged 30, will be called up to serve.
Her job is now at risk, even after one day the workforce have been banging on the office door asking what will be happening to the business (she is a director in her company in a HR hybrid role). She can't tell them the truth but told me 'it won't be able to survive long'. The workers are upset, angry and frightened.
It was not nice seeing my fiancee, alone in her apartment, shaking with anger, frustration, worry and fear. Just a nice, friendly, peaceful, honest person and with an equally lovely family and friends. Just decent, everyday, people like us, betrayed by the dictators who rule over them.
I have told her she needs to stay cool and keep a calm head, but prepare to get out of Belarus if she is able. But my heart tells me there is nothing she can do and sadly her future lies inside a second Eastern Bloc, with all freedoms gone and no hope of living a life where she can travel beyond her own borders. Probably most of that will be in poverty, along with Ukraine and no doubt other former Soviet countries who are non NATO.
I repeat again, two bullets are needed here, nothing else will work. Those two bullets need to come from the people closest to them and not from citizens or assassins.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 25, 2022 12:37:17 GMT 1
Hopefully they’ll also ban Russian owned clubs as well. Which of course could completely change the likes of Chelsea. Would they ever be at the same level if Abramovic wasnt allowed to own them? Start by throwing them out of the EFL cup with a final on Sunday surely the wrong advertisement?
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Feb 25, 2022 13:06:31 GMT 1
So, I spoke to my Belarusian fiancee last night and basically she is numb and like jelly inside. She fears we will never meet again and that the iron curtain has fallen over her country because of two men. She feels deep shame that her country has been complicit in aiding Russia and sickened by the footage she has seen of the attacks. She has friends in Ukraine and work acquaintances, who she has known for twenty years or more. She is frightened that her son, aged 30, will be called up to serve. Her job is now at risk, even after one day the workforce have been banging on the office door asking what will be happening to the business (she is a director in her company in a HR hybrid role). She can't tell them the truth but told me 'it won't be able to survive long'. The workers are upset, angry and frightened. It was not nice seeing my fiancee, alone in her apartment, shaking with anger, frustration, worry and fear. Just a nice, friendly, peaceful, honest person and with an equally lovely family and friends. Just decent, everyday, people like us, betrayed by the dictators who rule over them. I have told her she needs to stay cool and keep a calm head, but prepare to get out of Belarus if she is able. But my heart tells me there is nothing she can do and sadly her future lies inside a second Eastern Bloc, with all freedoms gone and no hope of living a life where she can travel beyond her own borders. Probably most of that will be in poverty, along with Ukraine and no doubt other former Soviet countries who are non NATO. I repeat again, two bullets are needed here, nothing else will work. Those two bullets need to come from the people closest to them and not from citizens or assassins. Shocking stuff to read mon.. if you need to talk to someone give me a shout.. don’t suffer in silence 👍🏼
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2022 13:09:23 GMT 1
So, I spoke to my Belarusian fiancee last night and basically she is numb and like jelly inside. She fears we will never meet again and that the iron curtain has fallen over her country because of two men. She feels deep shame that her country has been complicit in aiding Russia and sickened by the footage she has seen of the attacks. She has friends in Ukraine and work acquaintances, who she has known for twenty years or more. She is frightened that her son, aged 30, will be called up to serve. Her job is now at risk, even after one day the workforce have been banging on the office door asking what will be happening to the business (she is a director in her company in a HR hybrid role). She can't tell them the truth but told me 'it won't be able to survive long'. The workers are upset, angry and frightened. It was not nice seeing my fiancee, alone in her apartment, shaking with anger, frustration, worry and fear. Just a nice, friendly, peaceful, honest person and with an equally lovely family and friends. Just decent, everyday, people like us, betrayed by the dictators who rule over them. I have told her she needs to stay cool and keep a calm head, but prepare to get out of Belarus if she is able. But my heart tells me there is nothing she can do and sadly her future lies inside a second Eastern Bloc, with all freedoms gone and no hope of living a life where she can travel beyond her own borders. Probably most of that will be in poverty, along with Ukraine and no doubt other former Soviet countries who are non NATO. I repeat again, two bullets are needed here, nothing else will work. Those two bullets need to come from the people closest to them and not from citizens or assassins. I hope things work out. This might come to civil unrest so mighty that even the stare can't stop it. Many of the people of Russia and the old Soviet Union remember what things were like and how things have been in recent years, will they be prepared to let Putin & Co take them back in time? There might come a breaking point in this.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 25, 2022 13:12:46 GMT 1
So, I spoke to my Belarusian fiancee last night and basically she is numb and like jelly inside. She fears we will never meet again and that the iron curtain has fallen over her country because of two men. She feels deep shame that her country has been complicit in aiding Russia and sickened by the footage she has seen of the attacks. She has friends in Ukraine and work acquaintances, who she has known for twenty years or more. She is frightened that her son, aged 30, will be called up to serve. Her job is now at risk, even after one day the workforce have been banging on the office door asking what will be happening to the business (she is a director in her company in a HR hybrid role). She can't tell them the truth but told me 'it won't be able to survive long'. The workers are upset, angry and frightened. It was not nice seeing my fiancee, alone in her apartment, shaking with anger, frustration, worry and fear. Just a nice, friendly, peaceful, honest person and with an equally lovely family and friends. Just decent, everyday, people like us, betrayed by the dictators who rule over them. I have told her she needs to stay cool and keep a calm head, but prepare to get out of Belarus if she is able. But my heart tells me there is nothing she can do and sadly her future lies inside a second Eastern Bloc, with all freedoms gone and no hope of living a life where she can travel beyond her own borders. Probably most of that will be in poverty, along with Ukraine and no doubt other former Soviet countries who are non NATO. I repeat again, two bullets are needed here, nothing else will work. Those two bullets need to come from the people closest to them and not from citizens or assassins. I hope if the opportunity presents itself that she makes the decision to leave. I guess it's extremely difficult to just "leave" though, it doesn't feel right I'd imagine.
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Post by TOP MONNER on Feb 25, 2022 13:16:54 GMT 1
The money laundering thing is an interesting one because at face value it's very difficult for a government to intervene and refuse foreign investment on ethical or moral grounds.
Take the Man City ownership for example and the 'Sportswashing' of hideous human rights abuses in UAE. The current regime has not only bought their way to success on the pitch but it has heavily invested in the local economy, job creation and helped rejuvenate an area which was previously one of the most deprived parts of Manchester.
The Russian model clearly isn't quite as philanthropic and they appear mostly to make foreign investments incentivised by personal financial gain at the cost of social mobility. Such as the extensive property portfolios pushing up prices of real estate in London.
Almost certainly this 'entitles' foreign investors from totalitarian regimes to have considerable influence at government level and herein lies the level of corruption that all we know goes on but are powerless to stop.
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Post by venceremos on Feb 25, 2022 13:30:19 GMT 1
So, I spoke to my Belarusian fiancee last night and basically she is numb and like jelly inside. She fears we will never meet again and that the iron curtain has fallen over her country because of two men. She feels deep shame that her country has been complicit in aiding Russia and sickened by the footage she has seen of the attacks. She has friends in Ukraine and work acquaintances, who she has known for twenty years or more. She is frightened that her son, aged 30, will be called up to serve. Her job is now at risk, even after one day the workforce have been banging on the office door asking what will be happening to the business (she is a director in her company in a HR hybrid role). She can't tell them the truth but told me 'it won't be able to survive long'. The workers are upset, angry and frightened. It was not nice seeing my fiancee, alone in her apartment, shaking with anger, frustration, worry and fear. Just a nice, friendly, peaceful, honest person and with an equally lovely family and friends. Just decent, everyday, people like us, betrayed by the dictators who rule over them. I have told her she needs to stay cool and keep a calm head, but prepare to get out of Belarus if she is able. But my heart tells me there is nothing she can do and sadly her future lies inside a second Eastern Bloc, with all freedoms gone and no hope of living a life where she can travel beyond her own borders. Probably most of that will be in poverty, along with Ukraine and no doubt other former Soviet countries who are non NATO. I repeat again, two bullets are needed here, nothing else will work. Those two bullets need to come from the people closest to them and not from citizens or assassins. I hope things work out. This might come to civil unrest so mighty that even the stare can't stop it. Many of the people of Russia and the old Soviet Union remember what things were like and how things have been in recent years, will they be prepared to let Putin & Co take them back in time? There might come a breaking point in this. Fair point. The Soviet Union and its satellite states always seemed unbreakable from the outside - and then it collapsed.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2022 13:33:42 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 25, 2022 14:51:39 GMT 1
The money laundering thing is an interesting one because at face value it's very difficult for a government to intervene and refuse foreign investment on ethical or moral grounds. Take the Man City ownership for example and the 'Sportswashing' of hideous human rights abuses in UAE. The current regime has not only bought their way to success on the pitch but it has heavily invested in the local economy, job creation and helped rejuvenate an area which was previously one of the most deprived parts of Manchester. The Russian model clearly isn't quite as philanthropic and they appear mostly to make foreign investments incentivised by personal financial gain at the cost of social mobility. Such as the extensive property portfolios pushing up prices of real estate in London. Almost certainly this 'entitles' foreign investors from totalitarian regimes to have considerable influence at government level and herein lies the level of corruption that all we know goes on but are powerless to stop. Whilst I have no detailed knowledge of the financial system, I do think that anyone who pretends that proper restrictions, either in terms of formulating the rules and/or legislation, and then enforcing them, will be an easy task, is fooling themself.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Feb 25, 2022 15:15:16 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 25, 2022 15:24:07 GMT 1
If you have a "Smartspeaker", try asking that for LBC news.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 25, 2022 15:30:52 GMT 1
Neither surprise me to be honest: the effects on German industry and its wider economy (due to its financial links with Russia) would not be welcomed by the Bundesbank, and Italy's economy is fragile at the best of times. France, with its nuclear energy, is less exposed. However, the EU, as a body, doesn't look too clever.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 25, 2022 16:21:07 GMT 1
The EU response is laboured. But that's always the problem, you need everyone to agree and the countries are too different. They need punting out of Swift, Visa & Mastercard ASAP, hit them hard and fast. The economy needs absolutely crippling to wake up their public and start to overturn the oppression.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 25, 2022 16:50:43 GMT 1
Germans and Italians on the wrong side on history again.
Stop thinking of personal financial gain and wack the ****ing sanctions on them. Ban them from everything from Swift to Eurovision, cut them off from the real world.
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Post by champagneprince on Feb 25, 2022 17:00:57 GMT 1
The EU response is laboured. But that's always the problem, you need everyone to agree and the countries are too different. They need punting out of Swift, Visa & Mastercard ASAP, hit them hard and fast. The economy needs absolutely crippling to wake up their public and start to overturn the oppression. Martin, their public is already awake. Trouble is they get brutally put down whenever they dissent. They would need to do it 'en-masse' and likely not even tens of thousands would do the trick. Millions might, but co-ordinating such an effort and 'arming it' would be nigh on impossible and civil war would ensue, probably ending with the opposition in oblivion. Putin and his puppet Lukashenko have gone 'full Tonto', they are capable of anything and definitely capable of appalling acts against their own people, who do not support their actions. So, please, make no mistake this is Putin and Luka's war, not the war of the Russian or Belarusian people.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 25, 2022 17:15:53 GMT 1
not a suprise China has made huge profits from covid and will do the same from Russias invasion of the ukraine www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/2/25/ukraine-russia-crisis-will-china-be-putins-economic-lifeline"Beijing has emerged as a key player with the potential to undermine the international pressure campaign against Moscow.On Thursday, Chinese customs authorities announced the lifting of import restrictions on Russian wheat, which makes up more than one-quarter of the global supply. Although the trade deal was sealed during talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping in early February, the timing of the announcement – on the day Putin launched a full-scale military assault on its neighbour – was interpreted in some quarters as a deliberate attempt to undermine efforts to hold Moscow accountable."After easing restrictions on wheat, China could soften the blow of any economic pain inflicted on Moscow by increasing its share of energy imports. Russia is the world’s third-largest oil producer and the second-largest producer of natural gas."
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Post by kenwood on Feb 25, 2022 17:24:12 GMT 1
A question. Would people be happy to see us accept thousands of Ukraine refugees fleeing from this conflict ?
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 25, 2022 17:27:03 GMT 1
It will doubtlessly be a lesson for future historians, that whilst the existence of nuclear weapons may have made the prospect of war between two nuclear-armed foes unconsciable, it has made it easier for brutal regimes such as Russia, North Korea and the "Peoples Republic of China" to exist and get away with the repression of their own people. The days of "sending a gunboat up the Nile" are long gone, and most will say "a good thing", but there isn't an adequate replacement for gunboat diplomacy which can perform a similar job without costing an untold number of lives; to that extent, the world has become a much more dangerous place.
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 25, 2022 17:30:32 GMT 1
A question. Would people be happy to see us accept thousands of Ukraine refugees fleeing from this conflict ? Speaking for myself, no objections, provided we can assemble the necessary infrastructure, which won't exactly be an easy task.
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Post by champagneprince on Feb 25, 2022 17:35:13 GMT 1
A question. Would people be happy to see us accept thousands of Ukraine refugees fleeing from this conflict ? I wanted Brexit. No doubt many would think I would oppose such a thing (even though I was very 50/50 and deliberated my decision very carefully). But 100% I would support Ukrainian refugees and would support the decision to accept any refugees fleeing war in their country. I think that's the way all human beings should behave, and lets not be too confident that our turn to be refugees won't come in our lifetimes. What would we all want for our kids? A country saying yes, or a country saying FU?
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Feb 25, 2022 17:57:30 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 25, 2022 17:59:01 GMT 1
Gosh. That will panic Putin!!
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Post by armchairfan on Feb 25, 2022 18:09:07 GMT 1
Gosh. That will panic Putin!! A definite step in the right direction; now can we disqualify each and every other participant on the grounds of an assault on music and the need to close the airways to all such drivel....its been beyond dreadful since the days of ABBA..... LOL
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 25, 2022 18:13:03 GMT 1
I see Russia is now blocking Facebook access.
May as well become North Korea at this point.
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 25, 2022 18:20:25 GMT 1
A question. Would people be happy to see us accept thousands of Ukraine refugees fleeing from this conflict ? Simple answer off course, why not?
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Post by davycrockett on Feb 25, 2022 18:26:14 GMT 1
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Post by barrynic on Feb 25, 2022 18:32:03 GMT 1
A question. Would people be happy to see us accept thousands of Ukraine refugees fleeing from this conflict ? Yes without doubt....they are mainly Christian and would easily integrate.
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Post by vladimir on Feb 25, 2022 19:33:49 GMT 1
A question. Would people be happy to see us accept thousands of Ukraine refugees fleeing from this conflict ? Yes without doubt....they are mainly Christian and would easily integrate. This is so true. This country is historically extremely welcoming of slavic people.
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