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Post by servernaside on Sept 27, 2021 11:54:35 GMT 1
Look at the state of them - old farts with nothing better to do on a Friday morning. Shame those women were so reasonable. Surely a couple of wagon drivers could ‘remove’ these losers from the road You could make that observation at the Meadow tomorrow afternoon. What do appearances matter? Do you think they should wear jackets and ties or something? Do old people not have the right to protest now? Who does, exactly? Anyway, there seems to be some inconsistency in the attacks on the protesters and their appearances. Earlier in the week they were described as "the great unwashed who wouldn't know anything about working, earning a living, paying a mortgage or rent", squatters, scroungers, "absolute scum" ..... well, you get the drift. How about if people were only allowed to post such criticism if they put up a recent photo of themselves? That'd be interesting. Always defending the indefensible.
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 27, 2021 12:11:32 GMT 1
The matter of the physical appearance and choice of attire is a thundering irrelevance, and a diversion from the issue at hand, gleefully taken up by those who support and condone the activities of these people.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 27, 2021 12:13:35 GMT 1
Yes it would be interesting to see how these academic, theorists actually get on with doing the practical work. Having had our last two houses done, it’s very hard, hot, sweaty work in a loft if the sun is shining particularly. Sitting around, inconveniencing others is the easy bit. They wouldn't know a days work if it slapped them about. Professional moaners, squatters, protestors and an all round nuisance to other law abiding citizens going about their daily business.
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 27, 2021 12:42:04 GMT 1
Yes it would be interesting to see how these academic, theorists actually get on with doing the practical work. Having had our last two houses done, it’s very hard, hot, sweaty work in a loft if the sun is shining particularly. Sitting around, inconveniencing others is the easy bit. They wouldn't know a days work if it slapped them about. Professional moaners, squatters, protestors and an all round nuisance to other law abiding citizens going about their daily business. Some of them may actually have worthwhile jobs and thereby make a positive contribution to not only their own lives but those of others too, so not all of those accusations may be justified. However, they have allowed themselves to be led into this cul-de-sac of protest by others who are well-versed in the skills of agitation and disruption, largely by the activists from the Left of politics, probably the "far Left", if I may be permitted a piece of short-hand; their actions are not in any way those who claim to be proponents of "Social democracy", but of anarchists, and whilst I can understand why some on here will defend Labour, I cannot understand those who defend anarchists, or see anarchy as a viable political system.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Sept 27, 2021 12:44:50 GMT 1
the way the police are dealing with it or rather not dealing with it is an utter farce. Get the football police in. Herd them around, tell them where they can and can't go and then baton them relentlessly. i think you are mixing our police up with the french police
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 27, 2021 12:49:36 GMT 1
Get the football police in. Herd them around, tell them where they can and can't go and then baton them relentlessly. i think you are mixing our police up with the french police No, I'm talking about the British police.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 27, 2021 13:11:23 GMT 1
You could make that observation at the Meadow tomorrow afternoon. What do appearances matter? Do you think they should wear jackets and ties or something? Do old people not have the right to protest now? Who does, exactly? Anyway, there seems to be some inconsistency in the attacks on the protesters and their appearances. Earlier in the week they were described as "the great unwashed who wouldn't know anything about working, earning a living, paying a mortgage or rent", squatters, scroungers, "absolute scum" ..... well, you get the drift. How about if people were only allowed to post such criticism if they put up a recent photo of themselves? That'd be interesting. Always defending the indefensible. Knowing your direction of travel, I thank you for the compliment.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 27, 2021 13:20:35 GMT 1
In 120 years the definition of anarchist has moved on from black clad bomb throwers to peaceful protesting pensioners. Whereas
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 27, 2021 13:36:26 GMT 1
In 120 years the definition of anarchist has moved on from black clad bomb throwers to peaceful protesting pensioners. Whereas That is in no way a " definition", although it may be a DESCRIPTION of the actions of a few; the DEFINITION is an entirely different matter, and is available in any reputable dictionary, and I don't believe that that has changed to any great extent, although the social make-up of its adherents probably have, as you suggest.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 27, 2021 13:40:26 GMT 1
Anarchism is a political philosphy worthy of consideration, armchair. It's not people sitting down on wet road.
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 27, 2021 13:45:04 GMT 1
You disagree with that description? Their actions bear all the hallmarks of the rejection of authority and hierarchical systems, and on top of that, their evident anti-capitalist views would seem to place them on the political Left. We’re the protestors at Grenham common all anarchists?
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 27, 2021 13:52:39 GMT 1
Anarchism is a political philosphy worthy of consideration, armchair. It's not people sitting down on wet road. It is indeed a political philosophy, but whether or not it is "worthy" of anything, let alone consideration is altogether a different matter...at best implausible and at worst chaotic and dangerous.
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 27, 2021 13:55:31 GMT 1
You disagree with that description? Their actions bear all the hallmarks of the rejection of authority and hierarchical systems, and on top of that, their evident anti-capitalist views would seem to place them on the political Left. We’re the protestors at Grenham common all anarchists? I have not the faintest idea....as far as I know, I never met one....what do you think?
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Sept 27, 2021 14:26:32 GMT 1
They ignored the injunction, now they should be pelted with the full force of the law and can’t complain if they get sent to prison and I bloody well hope they do.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 29, 2021 9:32:57 GMT 1
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Sept 29, 2021 9:43:56 GMT 1
Oooh I'd better get my popcorn out the daily mail comment section is always a good read with a story like this.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 29, 2021 10:31:17 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 29, 2021 10:38:35 GMT 1
"Kent Police will continue to monitor the situation, working with neighbouring police forces and partner agencies to ensure disruption to traffic and local communities is kept to a minimum."
Start volleying them about like you do football fans. Be straight in with tear gas and batons if it were football fans.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 29, 2021 10:53:14 GMT 1
Rubber bullets and pepper spray.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 30, 2021 8:34:04 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Sept 30, 2021 10:59:54 GMT 1
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 1, 2021 9:15:57 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Oct 1, 2021 9:31:13 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10048691/Now-eco-mob-target-M4-M1.htmlInsulate Britain protesters today blocked the M4 close to the M25 and Heathrow - their ninth day of motorway blockades in the past two-and-a-half weeks - as the authorities lost control yet again. In more humiliation for the police and Home Office, Insulate Britain have also shut down the M1 close to Brent Cross in more misery for drivers who have also spent the past week queuing for fuel. There were furious clashes between drivers and protesters on the rain-soaked M4 at around 8.30am, with motorists tearing banners from their hands and hurling abuse as their route to work or school was blocked. Others stuck in long queues of traffic also beeped their horns in frustration. The group have bragged that at least eight people sat on the roads this morning were arrested and released without charge after they twice blocked the M25 at Swanley in Kent on Wednesday.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 3, 2021 9:28:34 GMT 1
I have this sneaking suspicion that the focus of these people will shift to the north-west next week, and they will attempt to disrupt the Conservative conference, and prevent Representatives from attending.....just a suspicion, mind.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 3, 2021 9:54:17 GMT 1
I have this sneaking suspicion that the focus of these people will shift to the north-west next week, and they will attempt to disrupt the Conservative conference, and prevent Representatives from attending.....just a suspicion, mind. M56 or M60 then.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 3, 2021 9:54:48 GMT 1
I have this sneaking suspicion that the focus of these people will shift to the north-west next week, and they will attempt to disrupt the Conservative conference, and prevent Representatives from attending.....just a suspicion, mind. I expect the BBC studios will be on high alert. If I was a radical protester, I'd glue myself to a Tory MP on his way to conference
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Post by northwestman on Oct 3, 2021 10:05:36 GMT 1
I have this sneaking suspicion that the focus of these people will shift to the north-west next week, and they will attempt to disrupt the Conservative conference, and prevent Representatives from attending.....just a suspicion, mind. I expect the BBC studios will be on high alert. If I was a radical protester, I'd glue myself to a Tory MP on his way to conference The opposition to this bunch will probably target the Climate Change Conference.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 3, 2021 10:26:37 GMT 1
I expect the BBC studios will be on high alert. If I was a radical protester, I'd glue myself to a Tory MP on his way to conference The opposition to this bunch will probably target the Climate Change Conference. Climate change conference will probably be more about what goes on outside than in, with a bunch of politicians desparately trying to look like they are doing something and appease Greta inside.
I think the electorate might be sleepwalking into something again -
From the past - Unions have too much power, lots of voters agreed, not realising their union was going to get it's wings clipped too. Cut down on the "scrougers" - people wanted that, not realising their own family, maybe those too sick to work or in their sixties and trying to find another job would be affected.
Now it's: Cut down our fossil fuel use - very popular, unless it means getting rid of YOUR car.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 3, 2021 18:46:43 GMT 1
The opposition to this bunch will probably target the Climate Change Conference. Climate change conference will probably be more about what goes on outside than in, with a bunch of politicians desparately trying to look like they are doing something and appease Greta inside.
I think the electorate might be sleepwalking into something again -
From the past - Unions have too much power, lots of voters agreed, not realising their union was going to get it's wings clipped too. Cut down on the "scrougers" - people wanted that, not realising their own family, maybe those too sick to work or in their sixties and trying to find another job would be affected.
Now it's: Cut down our fossil fuel use - very popular, unless it means getting rid of YOUR car.
Agreed. I have just started reading 'There is no Climate Crisis' by David Craig. I'll comment more fully on the subject of Global Warming when I've read it in full. At this point, suffice it to say that in the 1960s and 1970s numerous scientists were warning about Global Cooling. The reverse is now the case.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 3, 2021 18:54:27 GMT 1
Climate change conference will probably be more about what goes on outside than in, with a bunch of politicians desparately trying to look like they are doing something and appease Greta inside. I think the electorate might be sleepwalking into something again - From the past - Unions have too much power, lots of voters agreed, not realising their union was going to get it's wings clipped too. Cut down on the "scrougers" - people wanted that, not realising their own family, maybe those too sick to work or in their sixties and trying to find another job would be affected.
Now it's: Cut down our fossil fuel use - very popular, unless it means getting rid of YOUR car.
Agreed. I have just started reading 'There is no Climate Crisis' by David Craig. I'll comment more fully on the subject of Global Warming when I've read it in full. At this point, suffice it to say that in the 1960s and 1970s numerous scientists were warning about Global Cooling. The reverse is now the case. Heard on the radio today: Some Greens have not changed their stance that we need to use a lot less energy. What they should be saying is we need to drastically reduce pollution created when we use energy.
Electric cars have a problem because they need Lithium mined. Mazda believe they can carry on making the petrol engine more efficient - their Skyactiv technology seems to offer more than just a marketing slogan. Either way, let's get the pollution right down.
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