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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 18, 2021 9:08:31 GMT 1
I didn't realise they had coal mines in British Columbia. You learn something every day. Who mentioned coal? Don't know what your point is here, but anyway, since you raised it: www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/industry/mineral-exploration-mining/british-columbia-geological-survey/geology/coal-overviewThat piece begins: "Coal mining is a major industry in British Columbia. Coal production employs thousands of people and coal sales generate billions of dollars in annual revenue. Coal production currently represents over half of the total mineral production revenues in the province."More on that storm that caused the flooding in BC: 'The provincial minister of transportation, Rob Fleming, told a news conference it was the "worst weather storm in a century". Minister of public safety, Mike Farnworth, said he had "no doubt" that the storm was linked to climate change. Thousands of homes in British Columbia were evacuated after an "atmospheric river" - a long strip of moisture in the atmosphere that transports water from tropical regions towards the poles - dumped the region's monthly rainfall average in just 24 hours.'This comes after the province suffered a 50 degree heatwave and 569 heat related deaths in June - July. All perfectly normal? I ask again (with heavy sarcasm) - what climate emergency? Meanwhile, in the UK, we're gloating about the jailing of Insulate Britain protesters. 'The provincial minister of transportation, Rob Fleming, told a news conference it was the "worst weather storm in a century".
So we have had things like this before then?
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Post by venceremos on Nov 18, 2021 12:51:10 GMT 1
Who mentioned coal? Don't know what your point is here, but anyway, since you raised it: www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/industry/mineral-exploration-mining/british-columbia-geological-survey/geology/coal-overviewThat piece begins: "Coal mining is a major industry in British Columbia. Coal production employs thousands of people and coal sales generate billions of dollars in annual revenue. Coal production currently represents over half of the total mineral production revenues in the province."More on that storm that caused the flooding in BC: 'The provincial minister of transportation, Rob Fleming, told a news conference it was the "worst weather storm in a century". Minister of public safety, Mike Farnworth, said he had "no doubt" that the storm was linked to climate change. Thousands of homes in British Columbia were evacuated after an "atmospheric river" - a long strip of moisture in the atmosphere that transports water from tropical regions towards the poles - dumped the region's monthly rainfall average in just 24 hours.'This comes after the province suffered a 50 degree heatwave and 569 heat related deaths in June - July. All perfectly normal? I ask again (with heavy sarcasm) - what climate emergency? Meanwhile, in the UK, we're gloating about the jailing of Insulate Britain protesters. 'The provincial minister of transportation, Rob Fleming, told a news conference it was the "worst weather storm in a century".
So we have had things like this before then?
No doubt, just like the Wrekin used to be a volcano so, if it erupts tomorrow, someone could say it had happened before. If there's another huge, but slightly less severe, storm in a few years' time do we conclude the climate emergency must be lessening? I think it was a figure of speech from Mr Fleming ..... and I think you do too.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 18, 2021 13:15:24 GMT 1
'The provincial minister of transportation, Rob Fleming, told a news conference it was the "worst weather storm in a century".
So we have had things like this before then?
No doubt, just like the Wrekin used to be a volcano so, if it erupts tomorrow, someone could say it had happened before. If there's another huge, but slightly less severe, storm in a few years' time do we conclude the climate emergency must be lessening? I think it was a figure of speech from Mr Fleming ..... and I think you do too. I think it's the frequency of these "100 year events" that has got the scientists worried. But, as we saw with Covid, they don't always get it right.
Maybe some of these protesters should ask their grandads about the Thames being frozen over in, was it, 1947? Did grandad go out protesting that all the smog was blocking out the sunlight and we were heading towards another ice age? What did the scientists say then?
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Post by venceremos on Nov 18, 2021 13:28:20 GMT 1
No doubt, just like the Wrekin used to be a volcano so, if it erupts tomorrow, someone could say it had happened before. If there's another huge, but slightly less severe, storm in a few years' time do we conclude the climate emergency must be lessening? I think it was a figure of speech from Mr Fleming ..... and I think you do too. I think it's the frequency of these "100 year events" that has got the scientists worried. But, as we saw with Covid, they don't always get it right.
Maybe some of these protesters should ask their grandads about the Thames being frozen over in, was it, 1947 Did grandad go out protesting that all the smog was blocking out the sunlight and we were heading towards another ice age?
The point is that these should be once-a-century events but they aren't any more. Citing historic freak weather events as any sort of evidence that those happening now must also be freak occurrences and couldn't possibly be a consequence of human activity evades the real question. I don't understand your sideswipe at scientists. They make projections based on the evidence available. They don't claim those projections will always be right, so to criticise on that basis is pointless. More often than not, when the scientific consensus tells us something, we'd do well to shut up and listen. Their projections are worth a billion uninformed postulations made by you or me. We trust science unquestioningly in our everyday lives, whether it be the medicines we take, the processed food we eat, the cleaning products we use, the cars we drive ..... We just don't like the inconvenient truth that our behaviour needs to change, but we're not honest or generous enough to accept it.
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 18, 2021 13:33:15 GMT 1
'The provincial minister of transportation, Rob Fleming, told a news conference it was the "worst weather storm in a century".
So we have had things like this before then?
No doubt, just like the Wrekin used to be a volcano so, if it erupts tomorrow, someone could say it had happened before. If there's another huge, but slightly less severe, storm in a few years' time do we conclude the climate emergency must be lessening? I think it was a figure of speech from Mr Fleming ..... and I think you do too. There is doubt, in fact it was never a volcano so we’ll be OK 👍 ‘ Contrary to a common misconception, the Wrekin has never been a volcano in its own right, but is composed mainly of volcanic rocks and is a product of volcanism. Its modern shape, which from certain viewpoints appears to resemble a volcano, has been formed by other natural processes.’
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 18, 2021 13:36:32 GMT 1
No doubt, just like the Wrekin used to be a volcano so, if it erupts tomorrow, someone could say it had happened before. If there's another huge, but slightly less severe, storm in a few years' time do we conclude the climate emergency must be lessening? I think it was a figure of speech from Mr Fleming ..... and I think you do too. I think it's the frequency of these "100 year events" that has got the scientists worried. But, as we saw with Covid, they don't always get it right.
Maybe some of these protesters should ask their grandads about the Thames being frozen over in, was it, 1947? Did grandad go out protesting that all the smog was blocking out the sunlight and we were heading towards another ice age? What did the scientists say then?
No but Grandad should have protested for a different reason www.history.com/this-day-in-history/smog-kills-thousands-in-england
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 18, 2021 13:37:41 GMT 1
No doubt, just like the Wrekin used to be a volcano so, if it erupts tomorrow, someone could say it had happened before. If there's another huge, but slightly less severe, storm in a few years' time do we conclude the climate emergency must be lessening? I think it was a figure of speech from Mr Fleming ..... and I think you do too. There is doubt, in fact it was never a volcano so we’ll be OK 👍 ‘ Contrary to a common misconception, the Wrekin has never been a volcano in its own right, but is composed mainly of volcanic rocks and is a product of volcanism. Its modern shape, which from certain viewpoints appears to resemble a volcano, has been formed by other natural processes.’It was the giant dropping a shovelful of earth wasn't it?
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 18, 2021 13:41:14 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 18, 2021 13:41:18 GMT 1
No doubt, just like the Wrekin used to be a volcano so, if it erupts tomorrow, someone could say it had happened before. If there's another huge, but slightly less severe, storm in a few years' time do we conclude the climate emergency must be lessening? I think it was a figure of speech from Mr Fleming ..... and I think you do too. I think it's the frequency of these "100 year events" that has got the scientists worried. But, as we saw with Covid, they don't always get it right.
Maybe some of these protesters should ask their grandads about the Thames being frozen over in, was it, 1947? Did grandad go out protesting that all the smog was blocking out the sunlight and we were heading towards another ice age? What did the scientists say then?
100 year events seem to be more like every year events
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Post by servernaside on Nov 18, 2021 15:13:25 GMT 1
I didn't realise they had coal mines in British Columbia. You learn something every day. Who mentioned coal? Don't know what your point is here, but anyway, since you raised it: www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/industry/mineral-exploration-mining/british-columbia-geological-survey/geology/coal-overviewThat piece begins: "Coal mining is a major industry in British Columbia. Coal production employs thousands of people and coal sales generate billions of dollars in annual revenue. Coal production currently represents over half of the total mineral production revenues in the province."More on that storm that caused the flooding in BC: 'The provincial minister of transportation, Rob Fleming, told a news conference it was the "worst weather storm in a century". Minister of public safety, Mike Farnworth, said he had "no doubt" that the storm was linked to climate change. Thousands of homes in British Columbia were evacuated after an "atmospheric river" - a long strip of moisture in the atmosphere that transports water from tropical regions towards the poles - dumped the region's monthly rainfall average in just 24 hours.'This comes after the province suffered a 50 degree heatwave and 569 heat related deaths in June - July. All perfectly normal? I ask again (with heavy sarcasm) - what climate emergency? Meanwhile, in the UK, we're gloating about the jailing of Insulate Britain protesters. You mentioned Aberfan in your post...coal mine, slag heap...you know.
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Post by venceremos on Nov 18, 2021 15:21:51 GMT 1
Who mentioned coal? Don't know what your point is here, but anyway, since you raised it: www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/industry/mineral-exploration-mining/british-columbia-geological-survey/geology/coal-overviewThat piece begins: "Coal mining is a major industry in British Columbia. Coal production employs thousands of people and coal sales generate billions of dollars in annual revenue. Coal production currently represents over half of the total mineral production revenues in the province."More on that storm that caused the flooding in BC: 'The provincial minister of transportation, Rob Fleming, told a news conference it was the "worst weather storm in a century". Minister of public safety, Mike Farnworth, said he had "no doubt" that the storm was linked to climate change. Thousands of homes in British Columbia were evacuated after an "atmospheric river" - a long strip of moisture in the atmosphere that transports water from tropical regions towards the poles - dumped the region's monthly rainfall average in just 24 hours.'This comes after the province suffered a 50 degree heatwave and 569 heat related deaths in June - July. All perfectly normal? I ask again (with heavy sarcasm) - what climate emergency? Meanwhile, in the UK, we're gloating about the jailing of Insulate Britain protesters. You mentioned Aberfan in your post...coal mine, slag heap...you know. I wasn't referring specifically to coal but making a wider point that human activity can induce supposedly 'natural' events.
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Post by servernaside on Nov 18, 2021 18:34:26 GMT 1
Who mentioned coal? Don't know what your point is here, but anyway, since you raised it: www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/industry/mineral-exploration-mining/british-columbia-geological-survey/geology/coal-overviewThat piece begins: "Coal mining is a major industry in British Columbia. Coal production employs thousands of people and coal sales generate billions of dollars in annual revenue. Coal production currently represents over half of the total mineral production revenues in the province."More on that storm that caused the flooding in BC: 'The provincial minister of transportation, Rob Fleming, told a news conference it was the "worst weather storm in a century". Minister of public safety, Mike Farnworth, said he had "no doubt" that the storm was linked to climate change. Thousands of homes in British Columbia were evacuated after an "atmospheric river" - a long strip of moisture in the atmosphere that transports water from tropical regions towards the poles - dumped the region's monthly rainfall average in just 24 hours.'This comes after the province suffered a 50 degree heatwave and 569 heat related deaths in June - July. All perfectly normal? I ask again (with heavy sarcasm) - what climate emergency? Meanwhile, in the UK, we're gloating about the jailing of Insulate Britain protesters. You mentioned Aberfan in your post...coal mine, slag heap...you know. Well, as I said before, you mentioned it.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Nov 19, 2021 17:51:59 GMT 1
No chance of that happening now - far too much hot air being spouted about climate change 😇
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 19, 2021 18:17:56 GMT 1
nearly all big car companys are stoping making small cars (that pollute less as they have a small profit marging and have to seell vast numbers to make a resonable return for building more SUVs that make more profit but pollute more )the other reason is the EU are bringing in new safty measuers for small cars that would cost thousands per car and make them unprofitable europe.autonews.com/sales-segment/automakers-fight-rescue-small-cars-extinction-eu-rules-bite
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Post by martinshrew on Nov 19, 2021 20:28:44 GMT 1
nearly all big car companys are stoping making small cars (that pollute less as they have a small profit marging and have to seell vast numbers to make a resonable return for building more SUVs that make more profit but pollute more )the other reason is the EU are bringing in new safty measuers for small cars that would cost thousands per car and make them unprofitable europe.autonews.com/sales-segment/automakers-fight-rescue-small-cars-extinction-eu-rules-biteWe should be well away from that nonsense anyhow.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Nov 19, 2021 21:12:17 GMT 1
I'm OK my car is the Tesla of the 80s apparently. Mine is one of the greenest cars on the road: it never does more than 2,000 miles a year. The video is interesting with regard to safety regulations being used as protectionism.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 19, 2021 22:05:14 GMT 1
I have a Rolls Canardly, it rolls down the hills but canardly get up 'em.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 20, 2021 18:06:25 GMT 1
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