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Post by Pilch on Sept 22, 2021 8:47:38 GMT 1
38 arrests today, Β up on yesterdays number of 23, although it was a Monday yesterday so numbers may be lower. I think we need to learn to live with themΒ How many deaths within 28 days due to "brake failure"? Doctor doom and gloom has arrived Iβm not speaking to you anymore Can everyone do the same please π
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Sept 22, 2021 9:55:15 GMT 1
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-58649286A court injunction has been granted to National Highways against protesters targeting the M25, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said. Climate change activists from Insulate Britain could face imprisonment as a result of the High Court decision. The group has blocked various parts of the M25 five times in the last week. On Twitter, Mr Shapps said the "activists will face contempt of court with possible imprisonment if they flout".
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2021 10:08:06 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 22, 2021 11:18:43 GMT 1
Complete and utter cracks. Rank hypocrisy.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 22, 2021 11:41:15 GMT 1
Complete and utter cracks. Rank hypocrisy. Bringing the UK's poor housing stock up to standard is an expensive business.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 22, 2021 11:45:26 GMT 1
He forgets the words of Amber Frost: "You're taught to be constantly morally & politically insecure. So you have to get morally & politically confident. Or they will bowl you over. You have to get your s**t together. You have to figure out what you believe. You have to stand for it ruthlessly, unapologetically" He should be advocating for a wholescale upgrading of the UK's poor housing stock. What arrangements he has made in his home (assuming he's not a renter) is besides the point entirely. Meanwhile blocked roads are something we're seeing in Belgium and Germany www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2021/jul/16/aftermath-germany-belgium-floods-in-pictures
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2021 11:47:49 GMT 1
Complete and utter cracks. Rank hypocrisy. Bringing the UK's poor housing stock up to standard is an expensive business. The government could start with getting on with replacing unsafe cladding, rather than trying to protect the developers, owners and builders at the expense of the blameless tenants.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 22, 2021 11:52:56 GMT 1
Bringing the UK's poor housing stock up to standard is an expensive business. The government could start with getting on with replacing unsafe cladding, rather than trying to protect the developers, owners and builders at the expense of the blameless tenants. You can "bet your wage packet" (as the saying goes) that the government will not do that. Leaseholders need to start donating to the Conservative - quickly and heavily.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 22, 2021 15:01:46 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2021 15:03:49 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Sept 22, 2021 17:28:24 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10016219/Government-gets-INJUNCTION-against-M25-eco-anarchists.htmlEco-zealots from Insulate Britain have thwarted an injunction that could see them chucked in jail by descending on the Home Office. Activists blocked off a road, lit a fire and burned manuscripts in the central London street - which dodges the court order that only covers the M25. The limited scope of the injunction was quickly realised by the eco-warriors as they simply moved to other roads the order does not cover. Insulate Britain also indicated that they will continue blocking the M25 despite the injunction. It said in a statement earlier today that 'right now our campaign goes on'.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 22, 2021 18:07:15 GMT 1
I wonder if any opinions on here will have changed after watching this patronising hypocritical clown? Sadly, I doubt it
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Post by londonshrew75 on Sept 22, 2021 18:08:15 GMT 1
For all their faults the lad was not comparing himself to Churchill. Merely giving an example of 'being in the minority but doing the right thing'. All I can say about Madeley is you can see where Steve Coogan got his ideas from....
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 23, 2021 8:22:15 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Sept 23, 2021 8:41:13 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 23, 2021 9:18:43 GMT 1
It's the hypocrisy for me. Maybe the landlord with 6 or 7 homes should insulate his for his tenants before calling on others to do theirs? No, he'd rather milk the cash and run about the country causing misery to everyone going about life in a law abiding manor.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 23, 2021 11:10:48 GMT 1
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 23, 2021 11:16:00 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 23, 2021 11:40:59 GMT 1
I accept that you think yourself cleverer than most of us, possibly with justification, but what on earth are you talking about: if I recall,"mean reversion" is a term used in economics; the issue here is how you - particularly you - would react in the event of delays caused which would save your life, or anyone close to you...."oh dear, the anarchists have a much more important case"?....I wonder....
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Post by davycrockett on Sept 23, 2021 12:46:15 GMT 1
The demonstrators have got a point but going about it the wrong way.
Over the last 10 years weβve had Greendeal followed by ECO and the latest environmental measure to make homes more efficient. All have failed due to being badly thought out (an interest free loan against the property repaid when you sell it wasnβt very attractive)β¦ Free insulation used to be on offer but only by locality and still many properties are very inefficient. The majority of those because insulating a property with solid walls is very expensive. The government have promised through various schemes over many years to tackle this problem but havenβt.
At the moment Boris is on his soapbox preaching a good storey to the rest of the world on what they need to do. Weβve had petitions, failed schemes with the government (s) unable to solve the immediate problem similar to the cladding fiasco. The plan was to make it compulsory for landlords to make their propertyβs more efficient but the government back tracked due to pressure from landlords so created a loophole
Landlords don't need to carry out energy efficiency improvements unless they take on a new tenant. If the property still doesn't reach the minimum EPC band E, despite improvement works being carried out up to the cost cap, landlords can register an exemption.28 Jan 2020. They also allowed landlords to have free boiler replacements if their tenant was eligible.
The demonstrators are trying to take action as nothing else has worked but as usual with demonstrations that have to be drastic to be effective and arenβt winning any friends.
Meanwhile weβre all talking a lot about efficiency and global warming and doing nothing.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 23, 2021 13:12:43 GMT 1
I looked closely at what the government produced last year and the details meant that I would need to buy stuff that I didn't want to get help with things that I did want but not in their timescales. I'm in the process of funding these things myself - with the emphasis on insulation and then looking at upgrading the heating and then generation according to my own timescales.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 23, 2021 13:36:34 GMT 1
Boris Johnson has always been a man of flexible views, able to transform his political philosophy at the flick of a switch according to whom he is trying to impress. His speech to the UN β from a man who once scorned wind farms and told us sun spots would cool the Earth β is merely an especially breathtaking example. Behind his conversion to a mop-haired Greta Thurnberg, of course, lies a cold calculation. He has reckoned that the British public is concerned about climate change, wants something done about it, and that his chief political weapon β his ability to find popularity with people well beyond the limits of traditional Tory voters β is best-served by leaping on the climate bandwagon.
But there is a danger to this, and one which β thanks to the current energy crisis - looks like becoming apparent sooner rather than later. On climate, the British public demonstrates the same fickleness as the Prime Minister himself. Save the planet? Save polar bears? Slash carbon emissions to zero? People will back you all the way. But accept a diminution in living standards in order to achieve that latter aim? Thatβs a very different matter. A YouGov poll from March sounds the warning: while two thirds agreed that climate change was an urgent problem, only 11 per cent were prepared to pay more for their domestic heating, and the same percentage wanted to see gas boilers banned.
This week has given us a taste of the price shocks which lie in store as the government ploughs on with trying to reach the legally-binding target of achieving net zero emissions by 2050 which it has unilaterally imposed upon itself. Much as the British public loves bunnies and hedgehogs, it is not going to be impressed if it is left shivering while other countries which have not tied their arms behind their backs in such a way are able to continue to enjoy affordable energy.
Ross Clark - Daily Telegraph.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 23, 2021 13:55:30 GMT 1
I looked closely at what the government produced last year and the details meant that I would need to buy stuff that I didn't want to get help with things that I did want but not in their timescales. I'm in the process of funding these things myself - with the emphasis on insulation and then looking at upgrading the heating and then generation according to my own timescales. Like you, I looked, then decided I would have what I wanted and pay for it myself. The Green scheme was a total disaster, it even gave me the feeling that it was designed to line the pockets of certain, perhaps not very good contractors - and there were a lot of contractors who didn't want to join the party, including the tradesman I used who I had used before and knew he did a quality job.
Mr Corbyn produced a green manifesto, we will never know if this would have been enough to avoid these protedsts now, Boris' green plans certainly were not enough.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 23, 2021 14:32:28 GMT 1
Forty years of disinformation about climate change leaves us now in a position that gradual change won't address the situation. Instead we're going to have a "climate realism" where business as usual will work for less and less of us and countries will depart from democratic norms more and more to ensure the economic growth ball keeps rolling. Until it can't. And then we'll have a steady state circular economy based on neo-feudalism. These ideas are already circulating where they matter: www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/23/tech-industry-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 23, 2021 14:57:45 GMT 1
A mate of mine said he was driving round the M25, he didnt realise they had installed speed humps πππ
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Post by northwestman on Sept 23, 2021 15:43:34 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 23, 2021 16:23:26 GMT 1
They do love a sensationalist headline dont they the Daily Fail
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Post by Pilch on Sept 23, 2021 16:37:20 GMT 1
They do love a sensationalist headline dont they the Daily Fail THE DAILY FAIL isn't that a sensationalist headline ?
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 23, 2021 17:04:49 GMT 1
A mate of mine said he was driving round the M25, he didnt realise they had installed speed humps πππ Naughty, naughty...
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 23, 2021 17:15:22 GMT 1
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