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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 20, 2021 17:39:57 GMT 1
If a society can't cope with some local traffic disruption without resorting to violence (or wishing it on others of course, that's the easy way), its chances of coping with the disruption caused by the developing consequences of global heating are negligible at best. Never mind, we can carry on kidding ourselves that putting out the recycling every fortnight will do the job. I used to think it might be our great grandchildren who'd be cursing the failure of our generations to take the problem seriously, but it seems more likely to be our grandchildren or perhaps even our children. I take it you arent driving anywhere near the M25 any time soon 😀 Me too (sadly) 🙄
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 20, 2021 17:57:36 GMT 1
Right to protest and all that, but why can't they line the side of the M25? Most of its pretty slow anyway and the police would have to put in place speed limits for safety, but the traffic would keep moving without the waste involved in this (when we have enough trouble with HGV deliveries at the moment). Point would be made, press would cover, authorities would be protested against.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 20, 2021 18:15:45 GMT 1
If a society can't cope with some local traffic disruption without resorting to violence (or wishing it on others of course, that's the easy way), its chances of coping with the disruption caused by the developing consequences of global heating are negligible at best. Never mind, we can carry on kidding ourselves that putting out the recycling every fortnight will do the job. I used to think it might be our great grandchildren who'd be cursing the failure of our generations to take the problem seriously, but it seems more likely to be our grandchildren or perhaps even our children. I take it you arent driving anywhere near the M25 any time soon 😀 Me too (sadly) 🙄 No, I'm not, and if I was I'd find another route. I understand people getting frustrated but I also respect those with the courage to make a stand, and I believe what they're protesting is of greater importance than a slip road on the M25 being closed for a while. Blocked roads are hardly a novelty, are they, just this time it's with people not traffic. I don't know whether I agree with the tactics being used. If they provoke a widespread negative response that might do more harm than good. But at least the protesters are trying to keep the issue on the news agenda - and succeeding. I've little time for those who continue to deny what's in front of our eyes, but most of us feel helpless in the face of the global heating problem and, let's be honest, we're not the ones who can solve it. The power to do so lies with governments and big business and they need to take difficult and probably unpopular decisions to effect real change.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 20, 2021 18:17:45 GMT 1
Right to protest and all that, but why can't they line the side of the M25? Most of its pretty slow anyway and the police would have to put in place speed limits for safety, but the traffic would keep moving without the waste involved in this (when we have enough trouble with HGV deliveries at the moment). Point would be made, press would cover, authorities would be protested against. The media wouldn't cover that to anything like the same extent and the risk of accident would be far higher, even with reduced speed limits. I bet there'd be no thread on b&a either!
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Post by northwestman on Sept 20, 2021 18:37:46 GMT 1
Protesters have asked for the motorway speed limit to be cut to accommodate their demonstrations ahead of further action on the M25 on Monday.
Members of Insulate Britain brought chaos to the motorway last week, blocking it on three separate occasions.
They vowed to return to the M25 from 7am on Monday, amid fears that the campaign will last for weeks or even months.
The group said they had written to National Highways, formerly the Highways Agency, to request that the traffic is slowed down on the parts of the M25 where they were protesting.
Frustrated that a similar request was ignored last week, they wrote: “Insulate Britain are asking the Highways Agency to review their previous decision not to reduce speed limits, even though they had been made aware that major disruption will be taking place.
Roger Hallam, the mastermind of the Insulate Britain group, is hoping that scores of activists are jailed in the run up to the COP26 summit in Glasgow in November, in order to humiliate Boris Johnson, it has been claimed.
The co-founder of Extinction Rebellion is said to have told supporters earlier this year: “The whole world's going to be looking at Johnson and saying ‘You're Mr Green and you've got 200 people in prison because they want you to insulate some houses?’ It's not going to look good.”
Insulate Britain is demanding that the government "immediately promise to fully fund and take responsibility for the insulation of all social housing in Britain by 2025".
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 20, 2021 18:38:34 GMT 1
Do all these demonstrators live within walking distance of the M25 or have they wasted fuel and polluted the atmosphere getting there?
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 20, 2021 18:39:01 GMT 1
Right to protest and all that, but why can't they line the side of the M25? Most of its pretty slow anyway and the police would have to put in place speed limits for safety, but the traffic would keep moving without the waste involved in this (when we have enough trouble with HGV deliveries at the moment). Point would be made, press would cover, authorities would be protested against. The media wouldn't cover that to anything like the same extent and the risk of accident would be far higher, even with reduced speed limits. I bet there'd be no thread on b&a either! I don't know, if they could form a hand holding chain all around the M25 it would be pretty newsworthy, even if they only covered a proprtion of it.
There's always a risk of accident, even walking on the pavement around Shrewsbury.
The problem with what they are doing is that the public are going to get less symperthetic to their "cause", the police will eventually crack down and Pritti will get the green light to ban protests.
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Post by belfastshrew on Sept 20, 2021 19:41:51 GMT 1
Maybe, as Town fans, we could block the A5 in protest of the lack of signings! Or maybe a 'Bring Back Lenny' campaign. Chain and glue ourselves to the darwin statues etc etc
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Post by Pilch on Sept 20, 2021 20:26:32 GMT 1
I've never been on the M25, from all reports nothing ever moves on there anyway
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 20, 2021 21:39:37 GMT 1
I've never been on the M25, from all reports nothing ever moves on there anyway It certainly has it's moments.....
With the HGV driver shortage you would think a rail route around London would be an option? Maybe a sort of ROLO rail ferry?
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Post by Pilch on Sept 20, 2021 21:57:45 GMT 1
I've never been on the M25, from all reports nothing ever moves on there anyway It certainly has it's moments.....
With the HGV driver shortage you would think a rail route around London would be an option? Maybe a sort of ROLO rail ferry?
Rail routes are maxed out already
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 20, 2021 22:26:12 GMT 1
It certainly has it's moments.....
With the HGV driver shortage you would think a rail route around London would be an option? Maybe a sort of ROLO rail ferry?
Rail routes are maxed out already Not according to the opponents of HS2!
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 20, 2021 22:29:53 GMT 1
It certainly has it's moments.....
With the HGV driver shortage you would think a rail route around London would be an option? Maybe a sort of ROLO rail ferry?
Rail routes are maxed out already Power: Expensive and we are short of capacity.
Transport: Expensive and we are short of capacity. Shopping, including food: Expensive and the shelves aren't full. The NHS: Expensive to the taxpayer and we are short of capacity. Adult social care: Expensive and in short supply.
Not really doing very well are we?
On the plus side, food banks are booming.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 21, 2021 6:42:57 GMT 1
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 21, 2021 8:20:46 GMT 1
They're back out again this morning, odious losers
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 21, 2021 8:27:44 GMT 1
Do all these demonstrators live within walking distance of the M25 or have they wasted fuel and polluted the atmosphere getting there? No doubt the celebs will soon start jetting in for a photo op...
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 21, 2021 8:47:25 GMT 1
They're back out again this morning, odious losers Good work. Hopefully they will be tooled up for any drivers who are looking to "knuckle" them. Stop singing and start swinging environmentalists.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Sept 21, 2021 9:06:28 GMT 1
I have no doubt I'd be pretty annoyed if they disrupted my morning commute but I also believe we're sleepwalking into a climate disaster so they do have some of my sympathy.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 21, 2021 9:06:45 GMT 1
They're back out again this morning, odious losers Good work. Hopefully they will be tooled up for any drivers who are looking to "knuckle" them. Stop singing and start swinging environmentalists. Wonder how you'd react if you were stuck in it every day, perhaps with a very sick relative too like has been the case for some - hypocrite Atleast the police have finally done the job and arrested the lot within 30 mins
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 21, 2021 9:13:36 GMT 1
I think Priti Awful Patel has put a stop to this hasn’t she? More than likely it’s the sort of thing she would do. Not sure how that works to be honest SSS, I'm sure the actions of Insulate Britain will only strengthen support to the The Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill as it's supposed to... uphold the right to peaceful protest while providing the police with the necessary powers to stop disruptive protests from disproportionately infringing on the rights and freedoms of others
The bill is there to counter such demonstrations. Whether the police already have cause to take action I'm not 100% sure but if the bill does help the police stop, hinder or deal with such protests and disruption then I think most will welcome it...👍
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 21, 2021 9:20:53 GMT 1
Good work. Hopefully they will be tooled up for any drivers who are looking to "knuckle" them. Stop singing and start swinging environmentalists. Wonder how you'd react if you were stuck in it every day, perhaps with a very sick relative too like has been the case for some - hypocrite Atleast the police have finally done the job and arrested the lot within 30 mins They actually went on to the motorway today too not just the slip road as has been the case. Selfish reckless oxygen thieves.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 21, 2021 9:21:15 GMT 1
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 21, 2021 9:25:41 GMT 1
The absolute state of them in those photos. They look like they wouldn’t have a clue what day it is. Dangerous and deranged.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 21, 2021 9:36:20 GMT 1
I have no doubt I'd be pretty annoyed if they disrupted my morning commute but I also believe we're sleepwalking into a climate disaster so they do have some of my sympathy. But it’s not just a commute is it. People will be using the motorway for all sorts of reasons- vital hospital appointments, funerals, visiting a sick relative in need of urgent help, taking blood supplies somewhere. There are numerous reasons why the motorway needs to be clear of these hypocrites- because you can bet your life they all contribute to global warming and energy waste in some form or another - they should not be allowed to disrupt other fellow beings lives.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 21, 2021 9:36:39 GMT 1
Perhaps if the police had brought in a few dog handlers that might have dissuaded them from going onto the motorway.
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Post by champagneprince on Sept 21, 2021 10:02:33 GMT 1
If the World's leaders really wanted to slow down, halt or even reverse climate change, they could.
But it never seems that it's top of their agenda and maybe that's because its not the top of our agenda.
For example if the government said that we want a voluntary £50 a month off everyone to combat climate change (there goes your Sky package or gym membership or mobile phone upgrade) then how many of us would?
Not many I guess.
That's because it's not something that's immediately important to us. We are all concerned, for sure, but nowhere near concerned enough.
And because we're not concerned enough, we don't put pressure on our governments to be concerned enough.
Hats off to the M25 protesters for at least trying to put some pressure on. But the wrong choice of protest IMO. This won't get people on their side, in fact in many cases the opposite would be true. And you need people to get behind the cause if you want governments to change.
But I would ask 'why' aren't governments doing enough? Why do they 'us' to put pressure on. Surely, just like Covid, it should be the other way around.
From what we are told, climate change could end the human race within 100 years or so. Erm, that's pretty serious isn't it? Much more serious than COVID. But, our leaders don't seem convinced and they didn't need us to put pressure on them to do something about it.
Yet, they know of the climate change dangers and do nowhere near enough to change it.
One thing Covid has taught us is they can change things very quickly if they want to. Must wear masks, must socially distance, must stay at home etc.
But with regards to climate change, the scientists tell them they are doing nowhere near enough.
Have they already given up and accepted our fate? Do they not believe the evidence that's put in front of them?
Why do they need us to change them? When with Covid they changed us.
I really don't understand why they don't do more.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 21, 2021 10:10:59 GMT 1
The great unwashed back out again. I'm gutted the trucks managed to stop in time.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 21, 2021 10:11:40 GMT 1
They're back out again this morning, odious losers Good work. Hopefully they will be tooled up for any drivers who are looking to "knuckle" them. Stop singing and start swinging environmentalists. If there was anyone on this thread defending them I'd have bet next months pay packet on it being you. So predictable and pathetic.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 21, 2021 10:19:45 GMT 1
Good work. Hopefully they will be tooled up for any drivers who are looking to "knuckle" them. Stop singing and start swinging environmentalists. If there was anyone on this thread defending them I'd have bet next months pay packet on it being you. So predictable and pathetic. There he is. If any of them are brown perhaps we'll strip them of their citizenship? I'll defend them to the absolute hilt. They aren't the extremists. Use your head for something other than hammering nails into walls.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 21, 2021 10:27:30 GMT 1
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