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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 21, 2021 10:34:00 GMT 1
It’s not just the inconvenience of being stuck in traffic.
Imagine being that driver that suddenly has to slam the breaks on or swerve as these people charge into the motorway. Imagine being the one right behind that suddenly has to react to an emergency stop at 60/70mph. Must be utterly terrifying.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 21, 2021 10:38:27 GMT 1
If there was anyone on this thread defending them I'd have bet next months pay packet on it being you. So predictable and pathetic. There he is. If any of them are brown perhaps we'll strip them of their citizenship? I'll defend them to the absolute hilt. They aren't the extremists. Use your head for something other than hammering nails into walls. Not sure what this has to do with race? The colour of your skin doesn't define whether you're a w****r or not, gluing yourself to the M25 does. You need to take your head out of the clouds and realise the world isn't one big, happy, floaty place where everyone gets along and everyone behaves within the law, those breaking the law and endangering lives are being rightly called out for what they are. The great unwashed wouldn't know anything about working, earning a living, paying a mortgage or rent. They just scrounge, squat and cause carnage to others trying to go about life in a lawful way. They're absolute scum and should be dealt with in the heaviest way possible.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 21, 2021 10:40:09 GMT 1
There he is. If any of them are brown perhaps we'll strip them of their citizenship? I'll defend them to the absolute hilt. They aren't the extremists. Use your head for something other than hammering nails into walls. Not sure what this has to do with race? The colour of your skin doesn't define whether you're a w****r or not, gluing yourself to the M25 does. You need to take your head out of the clouds and realise the world isn't one big, happy, floaty place where everyone gets along and everyone behaves within the law, those breaking the law and endangering lives are being rightly called out for what they are. The great unwashed wouldn't know anything about working, earning a living, paying a mortgage or rent. They just scrounge, squat and cause carnage to others trying to go about life in a lawful way. They're absolute scum and should be dealt with in the heaviest way possible. Complete ****ing b******s - as I would expect. I don't realise that this isn't one big happy floaty place? Of course it ****ing isn't.
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 21, 2021 10:41:23 GMT 1
If it isn’t extreme to stop people going about their lawful business then I don’t know what is. If they were a government force blocking the motorway there would be uproar.
It doesn’t matter who is doing it the result to the general public is exactly the same.
There are plenty of other places to demonstrate that won’t affect people, in some cases, very seriously.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 21, 2021 10:43:16 GMT 1
If it isn’t extreme to stop people going about their lawful business then I don’t know what is. If they were a government force blocking the motorway there would be uproar. It doesn’t matter who is doing it the result to the general public is exactly the same. There are plenty of other places to demonstrate that won’t affect people, in some cases, very seriously. So it can be ignored. No. And if you're struggling with what is extremism then I have posted two examples of it relating directly to the climate crisis.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 21, 2021 10:53:01 GMT 1
If it isn’t extreme to stop people going about their lawful business then I don’t know what is. If they were a government force blocking the motorway there would be uproar. It doesn’t matter who is doing it the result to the general public is exactly the same. There are plenty of other places to demonstrate that won’t affect people, in some cases, very seriously. So it can be ignored. No. And if you're struggling with what is extremism then I have posted two examples of it relating directly to the climate crisis. You live in a fantasy world. If it was one of your relative's ambulance being blocked I'd like to say you'd think differently, although I don't think you're wired up right.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 21, 2021 11:05:50 GMT 1
So it can be ignored. No. And if you're struggling with what is extremism then I have posted two examples of it relating directly to the climate crisis. You live in a fantasy world. If it was one of your relative's ambulance being blocked I'd like to say you'd think differently, although I don't think you're wired up right. The ambulances should be let to the front of the queue by other drivers and then get them let through. Let's use a public service to defend private wealth continue to profit from the climate crisis is like using a child as a human shield in gun battle. The people you call scum include an army veteran, a buddhist teacher and a cleric. Better people than me and certainly better people than you.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 21, 2021 11:09:35 GMT 1
There he is. If any of them are brown perhaps we'll strip them of their citizenship? I'll defend them to the absolute hilt. They aren't the extremists. Use your head for something other than hammering nails into walls. Not sure what this has to do with race? Just how some go about things these days looking to vilify and undermine others. Like the comment regarding Marsha de Cordova on the reshuffle thread. Weird one that considering the people I guess it was aimed at go about electing the most diverse cabinet in UK history. But there you go, it is what it is. Thankfully most people see straight through it these days...👍
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 21, 2021 11:10:01 GMT 1
And people who should, in theory, have a far better sense of responsibility towards their fellow men, particularly a priest for goodness sake.
I’m sorry I cannot agree that this particular action is justified in any way.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 21, 2021 11:13:05 GMT 1
The solution is simple , as soon as a protest starts close the m25, leave the protesters there to ponder on the sides effect of what they are doing And then arrest them when they have had enough
no need to drive into them like a crazed selfish terrorist
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Post by armchairfan on Sept 21, 2021 11:20:30 GMT 1
This isn't "protest" just sheer anarchy; so they don't like what is being done, or promised, or not done and not promised; neither do I,in many areas, but out of respect for my fellow human beings, you won't find me trying to block the Labour Conference, and preventing the comrades from enjoying their week of pie-in-the-sky idiocy.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 21, 2021 11:23:46 GMT 1
no need to drive into them like a crazed selfish terrorist Yep. Whilst I'm sure its not meant its not exactly the best look hoping to see the idiots blocking the road come to some harm. Just need them out of the way and efforts made to stop them repeating the action.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Sept 21, 2021 11:26:04 GMT 1
The dilemma of protest, a polite demo that inconveniences nobody will be ignored.
Something that gets noticed will alienate, as Gandhi and MLK showed.
We are facing an existential threat which these people are putting on front pages.
I’m conflicted, I sympathise with the cause but doubt it will affect those responsible for emissions or those with the power to do anything about it.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 21, 2021 11:26:55 GMT 1
Not sure what this has to do with race? Just how some go about things these days looking to vilify and undermine others. Like the comment regarding Marsha de Cordova on the reshuffle thread. Weird one that considering the people I guess it was aimed at go about electing the most diverse cabinet in UK history. But there you go, it is what it is. Thankfully most people see straight through it these days...👍 It's the classic "I'm losing the argument" or "I'll forcefully put my argument over" and use the race card as extra weight. Absolutely nothing to do with race? No idea where that came from, but it's obvious why. It's about absolute morons breaking the law, endangering others and also inconveniencing others! That and directly affecting the "cause" they allegedly care about.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 21, 2021 11:32:26 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 21, 2021 11:34:59 GMT 1
We need hover cars now.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 21, 2021 11:54:08 GMT 1
Bunch of tossers. Minimum 6 months inside needed. No questions, down you go.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 21, 2021 12:07:00 GMT 1
The absolute state of them in those photos. They look like they wouldn’t have a clue what day it is. Dangerous and deranged. They look like ordinary people to me. You and your fellow venomous critics would probably have said the same about Emily Davison in another era.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 21, 2021 12:10:14 GMT 1
Good work. Hopefully they will be tooled up for any drivers who are looking to "knuckle" them. Stop singing and start swinging environmentalists. Wonder how you'd react if you were stuck in it every day, perhaps with a very sick relative too like has been the case for some - hypocrite I'd find another route, wouldn't you? And I'd be angry that my very sick relative didn't have an ambulance (and I have direct recent experience of the unavailability of ambulances in emergencies). But no, never criticise those who are truly responsible for our problems. Always easier to blame some fellow victims instead.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 21, 2021 12:18:58 GMT 1
Wonder how you'd react if you were stuck in it every day, perhaps with a very sick relative too like has been the case for some - hypocrite I'd find another route, wouldn't you? And I'd be angry that my very sick relative didn't have an ambulance (and I have direct recent experience of the unavailability of ambulances in emergencies). But no, never criticise those who are truly responsible for our problems. Always easier to blame some fellow victims instead. How on Earth do you find another route, if you’re in the middle of a stand still motorway, with a mile of traffic infront, and a mile behind? And I didn’t realise an Ambulance is able to evade mile long tail backs if it’s gridlocked either. Those blue lights must have special powers. You do realise how motorways work? Pretty obvious some on here have never been near the M25 in a normal rush hour, let alone when these dick heads are out in force
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Post by northwestman on Sept 21, 2021 12:27:47 GMT 1
The absolute state of them in those photos. They look like they wouldn’t have a clue what day it is. Dangerous and deranged. They look like ordinary people to me. You and your fellow venomous critics would probably have said the same about Emily Davison in another era. The backers of the King's horse Anmer might well have held a similar opinion!
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Sept 21, 2021 12:32:12 GMT 1
I have no doubt I'd be pretty annoyed if they disrupted my morning commute but I also believe we're sleepwalking into a climate disaster so they do have some of my sympathy. But it’s not just a commute is it. People will be using the motorway for all sorts of reasons- vital hospital appointments, funerals, visiting a sick relative in need of urgent help, taking blood supplies somewhere. There are numerous reasons why the motorway needs to be clear of these hypocrites- because you can bet your life they all contribute to global warming and energy waste in some form or another - they should not be allowed to disrupt other fellow beings lives. I wasn't condoning their actions I was sympathising with the point of the protest. We live in a world where actions like this get publicised whereas if it was just a peaceful protest on the side of the road they wouldn't get any coverage.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 21, 2021 12:33:32 GMT 1
I'd find another route, wouldn't you? And I'd be angry that my very sick relative didn't have an ambulance (and I have direct recent experience of the unavailability of ambulances in emergencies). But no, never criticise those who are truly responsible for our problems. Always easier to blame some fellow victims instead. How on Earth do you find another route, if you’re in the middle of a stand still motorway, with a mile of traffic infront, and a mile behind? And I didn’t realise an Ambulance is able to evade mile long tail backs if it’s gridlocked either. Those blue lights must have special powers. You do realise how motorways work? Pretty obvious some on here have never been near the M25 in a normal rush hour, let alone when these dick heads are out in force Would you have used the M25 today, knowing how it's being targeted? I wouldn't - that's "how on earth". Ambulances have to get through traffic blockages all the time. I believe in some countries it's a legal requirement to move your vehicle to the side of the motorway lane if there's a standstill, so that emergency vehicles have a clear route through. That should be the case here too. Over the years I've commuted using the M6, M4, M54, M56, M25 ..... Yes, thanks, I know how motorways work.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 21, 2021 12:34:56 GMT 1
Well done everyone involved. Back tomorrow hopefully.
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 21, 2021 12:35:05 GMT 1
How on Earth do you find another route, if you’re in the middle of a stand still motorway, with a mile of traffic infront, and a mile behind? And I didn’t realise an Ambulance is able to evade mile long tail backs if it’s gridlocked either. Those blue lights must have special powers. You do realise how motorways work? Pretty obvious some on here have never been near the M25 in a normal rush hour, let alone when these dick heads are out in force Would you have used the M25 today, knowing how it's being targeted? I wouldn't - that's "how on earth". Ambulances have to get through traffic blockages all the time. I believe in some countries it's a legal requirement to move your vehicle to the side of the motorway lane if there's a standstill, so that emergency vehicles have a clear route through. That should be the case here too. Over the years I've commuted using the M6, M4, M54, M56, M25 ..... Yes, thanks, I know how motorways work. Complete ignorance to the fact that if hundreds, or thousands, of others drivers have the same idea to take the nearest detour, you’re just moving the problem elsewhere
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Post by SeanBroseley on Sept 21, 2021 12:37:47 GMT 1
One tip I've got from Salopcast is this Waze app. I'll use it the next time I need to drive down to the south east as the M25 is an appalling road. It will be useful around here too when the M56 blows up (almost a weekly event in Cheshire) and the local roads between here and Northwich fill up with through traffic.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 21, 2021 12:40:19 GMT 1
I have no doubt I'd be pretty annoyed if they disrupted my morning commute but I also believe we're sleepwalking into a climate disaster so they do have some of my sympathy. But it’s not just a commute is it. People will be using the motorway for all sorts of reasons- vital hospital appointments, funerals, visiting a sick relative in need of urgent help, taking blood supplies somewhere. There are numerous reasons why the motorway needs to be clear of these hypocrites- because you can bet your life they all contribute to global warming and energy waste in some form or another - they should not be allowed to disrupt other fellow beings lives. It's not really an argument to label protesters "hypocrites". We're all hypocrites. We live in a carbon-based society so it's impossible to escape being a participant and therefore open to the accusation of hypocrisy. I have far more respect for a hypocrite trying to change that which makes them a hypocrite than those who affect concern but immediately oppose any change to their comfortable way of life.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 21, 2021 12:42:29 GMT 1
Would you have used the M25 today, knowing how it's being targeted? I wouldn't - that's "how on earth". Ambulances have to get through traffic blockages all the time. I believe in some countries it's a legal requirement to move your vehicle to the side of the motorway lane if there's a standstill, so that emergency vehicles have a clear route through. That should be the case here too. Over the years I've commuted using the M6, M4, M54, M56, M25 ..... Yes, thanks, I know how motorways work. Complete ignorance to the fact that if hundreds, or thousands, of others drivers have the same idea to take the nearest detour, you’re just moving the problem elsewhere Oh, welcome to one of the biggest transport problems of 21st century industrial society! Have you ever driven in rush hour? Is the notion of finding an alternative route a novelty to you? It's been a regular part of daily life for decades for some of us.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 21, 2021 12:47:46 GMT 1
How on Earth do you find another route, if you’re in the middle of a stand still motorway, with a mile of traffic infront, and a mile behind? And I didn’t realise an Ambulance is able to evade mile long tail backs if it’s gridlocked either. Those blue lights must have special powers. You do realise how motorways work? Pretty obvious some on here have never been near the M25 in a normal rush hour, let alone when these dick heads are out in force Would you have used the M25 today, knowing how it's being targeted? I wouldn't - that's "how on earth". Ambulances have to get through traffic blockages all the time. I believe in some countries it's a legal requirement to move your vehicle to the side of the motorway lane if there's a standstill, so that emergency vehicles have a clear route through. That should be the case here too. Over the years I've commuted using the M6, M4, M54, M56, M25 ..... Yes, thanks, I know how motorways work. You really, really dont have a clue do you. "Use another route....", great idea down there especially. Ever wondered why the M25 was built 40 years ago, erm....
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Post by Valerioch on Sept 21, 2021 12:49:53 GMT 1
Complete ignorance to the fact that if hundreds, or thousands, of others drivers have the same idea to take the nearest detour, you’re just moving the problem elsewhere Oh, welcome to one of the biggest transport problems of 21st century industrial society! Have you ever driven in rush hour? Is the notion of finding an alternative route a novelty to you? It's been a regular part of daily life for decades for some of us. Appears your attempting to move the discussion here so I’ll put it back on track. Why should anybody on a morning commute, trip to the airport, something worse as has been discussed, or quite frankly any reason at all, have to suffer at the hands of these fools. If it carries on I can see the good folk on the M25 taking matters in to their own hands - now that would be fun to see
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