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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 21, 2021 11:01:25 GMT 1
So many people desperate for an experimental jab that they don't need. I really don't get it.
Edit: by this I mean from people who are not at risk of serious complications from covid 19.
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 21, 2021 11:13:51 GMT 1
So many people desperate for an experimental jab that they don't need. I really don't get it.
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 21, 2021 11:14:25 GMT 1
So many people desperate for an experimental jab that they don't need. I really don't get it.
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 21, 2021 11:15:58 GMT 1
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 21, 2021 11:20:04 GMT 1
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 21, 2021 11:31:44 GMT 1
So many people desperate for an experimental jab that they don't need. I really don't get it. So what are you trying to say? People shouldn’t be glad their vaccinated? Strange post. It’s a vaccine not an experiment! Or are you a COVID denier?
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Post by servernaside on Jun 21, 2021 11:41:34 GMT 1
So many people desperate for an experimental jab that they don't need. I really don't get it. Perhaps you should have a chat with Steve Cotterill.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 11:45:34 GMT 1
So many people desperate for an experimental jab that they don't need. I really don't get it. Even if you disagree with the jab, surely you can understand why people are desperate or even just willing to have it?
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2021 12:33:23 GMT 1
So many people desperate for an experimental jab that they don't need. I really don't get it. Even if you disagree with the jab, surely you can understand why people are desperate or even just willing to have it? I can see why many are/were desperate, I was myself one sniff of covid and I was a goner 100% , could still be despite long having had both jabs whilst compared to elsewhere our vaccine roll out has been phenomenal except its still likely to take best part of a year, the next issue is if we will need booster jabs it really neds to be our employers and chemists local surgeries getting involved in this to get these done regular and swiftly, we need to start putting things in place I think wouldn't it be good if an oral pill could be taken to achieve this
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 21, 2021 12:47:59 GMT 1
So many people desperate for an experimental jab that they don't need. I really don't get it. I was far from desperate for it, but it’s evident the government, and lockdown fanatics, will keep us living like this until almost all of us have been jabbed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 13:02:36 GMT 1
Even if you disagree with the jab, surely you can understand why people are desperate or even just willing to have it? I can see why many are/were desperate, I was myself I wasn't desperate but certainly understand why some people were. If you are high risk and/or shielding for 12 months then a vaccine is your way out, no wonder people would want it. I'm fortunate enough to be low risk so wasn't in any rush but was willing to have it to reduce any risk to myself but more importantly the people I come into contact with. The bit I don't like is the tactics employed to try and force people to have it but I guess the powers that be will argue the tactics will save lives.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 21, 2021 13:07:36 GMT 1
So many people desperate for an experimental jab that they don't need. I really don't get it. If you mean younger people like yourself then I can kind of understand the position, I’ve had it but it’s more to do with doing my duty as opposed to saving myself. Whether we should be made to feel like it’s our civic duty to get injected is another issue, but I was happy to do it to save others and play my part in unlocking the country. If you mean all people in general then I couldn’t disagree more with your statement as there’s more than enough evidence now to suggest it saves lives.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 21, 2021 13:14:44 GMT 1
So many people desperate for an experimental jab that they don't need. I really don't get it. I was far from desperate for it, but it’s evident the government, and lockdown fanatics, will keep us living like this until almost all of us have been jabbed Agree totally. Just need some light at the end of the tunnel that it WILL actually mean we move towards just living with it. Some of the decisions in the last few weeks (freedom day put back, jabbed people still having to quarantine coming from countries with lower figures than UK) seem to suggest it wont be the passport to freedom like it was intended. Needs to be a big push for those that have kept their side of the bargain (got jabbed) dont still get met with huge restrictions. Can see things turning quite ugly if that doesnt happen.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 21, 2021 14:19:17 GMT 1
Me and the Mrs have our appointment for this Thursday morning. Finally been able to get things rolling.
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 21, 2021 14:41:21 GMT 1
Sundorne Bowling Centre open for walk ins today, Mon, Tues and Wed mornings for over 18s or for 2nd jabs if first one was before 25th April. AZ only. Take NHS number if poss. I have no reason to doubt you on this but where did you see/hear that? www.sath.nhs.uk/news/walk-in-vaccination-clinics/ seems to think it's only over 40's who are allowed to walk in? Apologies. It changed Sunday to walk in for over forties Sun, Mon and Tuesday and walk in for over 18s on Wednesday morning.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 21, 2021 14:45:57 GMT 1
So many people desperate for an experimental jab that they don't need. I really don't get it. I'm 99.9% sure this is a wind up.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jun 21, 2021 15:00:19 GMT 1
Apologies. It changed Sunday to walk in for over forties Sun, Mon and Tuesday and walk in for over 18s on Wednesday morning. No need to apologise, thanks for the info
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 21, 2021 15:16:15 GMT 1
So many people desperate for an experimental jab that they don't need. I really don't get it. So what are you trying to say? People shouldn’t be glad their vaccinated? Strange post. It’s a vaccine not an experiment! Or are you a COVID denier? No I do not deny covid. Believe it not you can still question the jab without being a covid denier. In fact I haven't seen anyone that has stated that covid isn't real. My belief is that the jab isn't fully tested, the adverse reactions are not fully known, the long term effects are definitely not fully known, clinical trials are not predicted to finish for another two years. Add to that the fact that all the adverse reactions are being hidden in the media on the most part and a lot of Facebook groups or posts that question the safety of the jab are being censored. Covid is serious for a minority of people, I totally get why they want a vaccine and I hope it brings them some comfort. As for everyone else I don't understand the celebrations. If your not in the at risk group you're taking more of a risk with an experimental jab than you are with getting Covid imo. If it's because people are under some illusion that having it will give them their freedom back and things will get back to normal then they are delusional. The only way to get rid of these pathetic restrictions is to stop consenting to them. I used to be very worried about covid at the start as my Mrs was pregnant at the time. Once I stopped listening to the news, realised how much of a ****ed up way the deaths are counted, how the deaths were being minipulated to scare people and more research became available I came to the conclusion that the pandemic is being used by governments to take peoples freedom away. There are a lot of conspierency theories knocking about in regards to covid. Some of them seem logical in line with events. Some of the decisions that the govenement have made have not made any sense at all which gives more credit. I keep looking for things to discredit them but as more and more predictions come true and the government tell more and more lies it just gives the theories more credit.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 21, 2021 15:22:11 GMT 1
So what are you trying to say? People shouldn’t be glad their vaccinated? Strange post. It’s a vaccine not an experiment! Or are you a COVID denier? No I do not deny covid. Believe it not you can still question the jab without being a covid denier. In fact I haven't seen anyone that has stated that covid isn't real. My belief is that the jab isn't fully tested, the adverse reactions are not fully known, the long term effects are definitely not fully known, clinical trials are not predicted to finish for another two years. Add to that the fact that all the adverse reactions are being hidden in the media on the most part and a lot of Facebook groups or posts that question the safety of the jab are being censored. Covid is serious for a minority of people, I totally get why they want a vaccine and I hope it brings them some comfort. As for everyone else I don't understand the celebrations. If your not in the at risk group you're taking more of a risk with an experimental jab than you are with getting Covid imo. If it's because people are under some illusion that having it will give them their freedom back and things will get back to normal then they are delusional. The only way to get rid of these pathetic restrictions is to stop consenting to them. I used to be very worried about covid at the start as my Mrs was pregnant at the time. Once I stopped listening to the news, realised how much of a ****ed up way the deaths are counted, how the deaths were being minipulated to scare people and more research became available I came to the conclusion that the pandemic is being used by governments to take peoples freedom away. There are a lot of conspierency theories knocking about in regards to covid. Some of them seem logical in line with events. Some of the decisions that the govenement have made have not made any sense at all which gives more credit. I keep looking for things to discredit them but as more and more predictions come true and the government tell more and more lies it just gives the theories more credit. The vaccines are the best way out of this pandemic. We’d be back in lockdown more than likely if it wasn’t for them. You can have your opinion, it’s your choice whether you want it or not but I think this is a strange way of looking at it.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 21, 2021 15:24:58 GMT 1
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 21, 2021 15:28:26 GMT 1
No I do not deny covid. Believe it not you can still question the jab without being a covid denier. In fact I haven't seen anyone that has stated that covid isn't real. My belief is that the jab isn't fully tested, the adverse reactions are not fully known, the long term effects are definitely not fully known, clinical trials are not predicted to finish for another two years. Add to that the fact that all the adverse reactions are being hidden in the media on the most part and a lot of Facebook groups or posts that question the safety of the jab are being censored. Covid is serious for a minority of people, I totally get why they want a vaccine and I hope it brings them some comfort. As for everyone else I don't understand the celebrations. If your not in the at risk group you're taking more of a risk with an experimental jab than you are with getting Covid imo. If it's because people are under some illusion that having it will give them their freedom back and things will get back to normal then they are delusional. The only way to get rid of these pathetic restrictions is to stop consenting to them. I used to be very worried about covid at the start as my Mrs was pregnant at the time. Once I stopped listening to the news, realised how much of a ****ed up way the deaths are counted, how the deaths were being minipulated to scare people and more research became available I came to the conclusion that the pandemic is being used by governments to take peoples freedom away. There are a lot of conspierency theories knocking about in regards to covid. Some of them seem logical in line with events. Some of the decisions that the govenement have made have not made any sense at all which gives more credit. I keep looking for things to discredit them but as more and more predictions come true and the government tell more and more lies it just gives the theories more credit. The vaccines are the best way out of this pandemic. We’d be back in lockdown more than likely if it wasn’t for them. You can have your opinion, it’s your choice whether you want it or not but I think this is a strange way of looking at it. We have very few deaths. At what point would you class us as "out of the pandemic"? It's probably been a long time since someone has actually died due to the covid virus. We'll never know for sure as covid deaths are counted in a way to inflate the figures.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 21, 2021 15:30:30 GMT 1
People die, without an autopsy we'll never know the reason for his death.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 21, 2021 15:33:28 GMT 1
The vaccines are the best way out of this pandemic. We’d be back in lockdown more than likely if it wasn’t for them. You can have your opinion, it’s your choice whether you want it or not but I think this is a strange way of looking at it. We have very few deaths. At what point would you class us as "out of the pandemic"? It's probably been a long time since someone has actually died due to the covid virus. We'll never know for sure as covid deaths are counted in a way to inflate the figures. Wow. When was the last time someone died from COVID? Really? Accrington Chairman Andy Holt tweeted that yesterday afternoon one of his friends died after being on a ventilator these last few days.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 21, 2021 15:34:52 GMT 1
We have very few deaths. At what point would you class us as "out of the pandemic"? It's probably been a long time since someone has actually died due to the covid virus. We'll never know for sure as covid deaths are counted in a way to inflate the figures. Wow. When was the last time someone died from COVID? Really? Accrington Chairman Andy Holt tweeted that yesterday afternoon one of his friends died after being on a ventilator these last few days. Are you going to ignore my question then? Whilst you answer that one can you also answer if you find it strange that nobody has died from the flu this year when usually 650k people die worldwide from it?
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Post by venceremos on Jun 21, 2021 15:38:47 GMT 1
So what are you trying to say? People shouldn’t be glad their vaccinated? Strange post. It’s a vaccine not an experiment! Or are you a COVID denier? No I do not deny covid. Believe it not you can still question the jab without being a covid denier. In fact I haven't seen anyone that has stated that covid isn't real. My belief is that the jab isn't fully tested, the adverse reactions are not fully known, the long term effects are definitely not fully known, clinical trials are not predicted to finish for another two years. Add to that the fact that all the adverse reactions are being hidden in the media on the most part and a lot of Facebook groups or posts that question the safety of the jab are being censored. Covid is serious for a minority of people, I totally get why they want a vaccine and I hope it brings them some comfort. As for everyone else I don't understand the celebrations. If your not in the at risk group you're taking more of a risk with an experimental jab than you are with getting Covid imo. If it's because people are under some illusion that having it will give them their freedom back and things will get back to normal then they are delusional. The only way to get rid of these pathetic restrictions is to stop consenting to them. I used to be very worried about covid at the start as my Mrs was pregnant at the time. Once I stopped listening to the news, realised how much of a ****ed up way the deaths are counted, how the deaths were being minipulated to scare people and more research became available I came to the conclusion that the pandemic is being used by governments to take peoples freedom away. There are a lot of conspierency theories knocking about in regards to covid. Some of them seem logical in line with events. Some of the decisions that the govenement have made have not made any sense at all which gives more credit. I keep looking for things to discredit them but as more and more predictions come true and the government tell more and more lies it just gives the theories more credit. I'm not here to have a go at you but some things leap out from your post. If adverse reactions to the vaccination are being "hidden in the media", as you put it, how do you know about them? Facebook groups? Seriously, how do you know those sources of information are verified and trustworthy? Saying Covid is serious for a minority of people is like saying heart disease, or specific cancers, or war, or terrorism, or traffic accidents are serious for a minority of people. Most people won't die from any one of those things but that doesn't mean they're not serious for everyone. It doesn't mean we don't all have a responsibility to take preventative measures for the benefit of everyone else, as well as possibly ourselves. You're an intelligent person, you know viruses are transmitted by hosts who might themselves suffer no, or minimal, symptoms. Does that mean the virus isn't serious, even though it might kill or seriously damage a person catching it from someone who's asymptomatic? OK, you've turned off the news. Perhaps you should also turn off social media and the nonsensical conspiracy theories and disinformation that spreads like wildfire on there and that you seem to be following. Talk to some health professionals who've spent the past 15 months treating people, many of whom will have contracted the virus from someone like you, who thought Covid wasn't serious for them, and many of whom will have died. Then come back and tell us whether or not you think it's serious.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 21, 2021 15:45:33 GMT 1
People die, without an autopsy we'll never know the reason for his death. Are you aware that most deaths aren't followed by a post-mortem? This was true before the pandemic as well as since. It doesn't mean the cause of death is unknown.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 21, 2021 15:58:13 GMT 1
Wow. When was the last time someone died from COVID? Really? Accrington Chairman Andy Holt tweeted that yesterday afternoon one of his friends died after being on a ventilator these last few days. Are you going to ignore my question then? Whilst you answer that one can you also answer if you find it strange that nobody has died from the flu this year when usually 650k people die worldwide from it? Do you understand what a pandemic is? It's defined as "a widespread occurrence of an infectious disease over a whole country or the world at a particular time." The disease may not be killing many people in the UK now but it remains highly infectious and widespread, and even more so in other parts of the world. Why isn't it killing many now? Why do you think? Because it was never dangerous in the first place? Or because people have taken measures to limit the spread and opted to take that "experimental vaccine", as you call it? I know which I believe. Where did you get that "nobody died from the flu this year" nonsense? One of your conspiracy websites? Check the statistics for yourself, they're not hidden, they're not suppressed, they're just ignored or deliberately misinterpreted by those whose motivations remain unclear. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 21, 2021 16:01:17 GMT 1
Don’t want to orchestrate a pile on one persons opinions, especially given recent problems on the board, but it staggers me that after the last 15 months anybody can hold the opinions recently posted on this thread.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jun 21, 2021 16:07:15 GMT 1
No I do not deny covid. Believe it not you can still question the jab without being a covid denier. In fact I haven't seen anyone that has stated that covid isn't real. My belief is that the jab isn't fully tested, the adverse reactions are not fully known, the long term effects are definitely not fully known, clinical trials are not predicted to finish for another two years. Add to that the fact that all the adverse reactions are being hidden in the media on the most part and a lot of Facebook groups or posts that question the safety of the jab are being censored. Covid is serious for a minority of people, I totally get why they want a vaccine and I hope it brings them some comfort. As for everyone else I don't understand the celebrations. If your not in the at risk group you're taking more of a risk with an experimental jab than you are with getting Covid imo. If it's because people are under some illusion that having it will give them their freedom back and things will get back to normal then they are delusional. The only way to get rid of these pathetic restrictions is to stop consenting to them. I used to be very worried about covid at the start as my Mrs was pregnant at the time. Once I stopped listening to the news, realised how much of a ****ed up way the deaths are counted, how the deaths were being minipulated to scare people and more research became available I came to the conclusion that the pandemic is being used by governments to take peoples freedom away. There are a lot of conspierency theories knocking about in regards to covid. Some of them seem logical in line with events. Some of the decisions that the govenement have made have not made any sense at all which gives more credit. I keep looking for things to discredit them but as more and more predictions come true and the government tell more and more lies it just gives the theories more credit. I'm not here to have a go at you but some things leap out from your post. If adverse reactions to the vaccination are being "hidden in the media", as you put it, how do you know about them? Facebook groups? Seriously, how do you know those sources of information are verified and trustworthy? Saying Covid is serious for a minority of people is like saying heart disease, or specific cancers, or war, or terrorism, or traffic accidents are serious for a minority of people. Most people won't die from any one of those things but that doesn't mean they're not serious for everyone. It doesn't mean we don't all have a responsibility to take preventative measures for the benefit of everyone else, as well as possibly ourselves. You're an intelligent person, you know viruses are transmitted by hosts who might themselves suffer no, or minimal, symptoms. Does that mean the virus isn't serious, even though it might kill or seriously damage a person catching it from someone who's asymptomatic? OK, you've turned off the news. Perhaps you should also turn off social media and the nonsensical conspiracy theories and disinformation that spreads like wildfire on there and that you seem to be following. Talk to some health professionals who've spent the past 15 months treating people, many of whom will have contracted the virus from someone like you, who thought Covid wasn't serious for them, and many of whom will have died. Then come back and tell us whether or not you think it's serious. I know some of the adverse reactions due to the yellow card reporting system which have been examined and reported on in a clear manner. Here is an example. www.e-bmc.co.uk/You don't see information like that in the MSM. By serious for the minority I refer to the people that were classed as high risk. If you're relatively healthy, not obese and under 60 then you have a miniscule chance of suffering serious complications from covid 19. I might question the severity of covid and the safety of the vaccine but I am not trying to say we should put our fingers up to those at risk from covid. They should be protected but the methods need to be realistic. Now that every single person who is classed as high risk has been vaccinated (where possible) I really don't see the need for continued restrictions, the scaremongering and the constant properganda to convince everyone that we need the vaccine. The government and media are now conditioning people into believing that the lives of our children should be put at risk. I'll add for context,I have had my children vaccinated with all the standard vaccines that have been extensively trailed.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 21, 2021 16:10:14 GMT 1
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