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Post by martinshrew on Apr 7, 2021 21:02:25 GMT 1
Meanwhile the only ones with masses off egg on their faces are the EU who simply werent at the races and are all mow paying the price. Well done Boris on this one Yes, now Boris, can you explain what happened to all the money spent on Trace? "The world's best Trace system" Hmmmm. Have a day off Stafford Christ. You hate the government, you hate Tories, you hate the colour blue, we get it. Jesus.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 7, 2021 21:12:48 GMT 1
Yes, now Boris, can you explain what happened to all the money spent on Trace? "The world's best Trace system" Hmmmm. Have a day off Stafford Christ. You hate the government, you hate Tories, you hate the colour blue, we get it. Jesus. Total nonsense, blue is my favourite colour
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 7, 2021 21:47:52 GMT 1
Absolutely spot on. I know it isnt everything about leaving the EU but if we hadnt we could well have been caught up in this total balls up they have, and are still making. Shambles is a massive understatement. Not just that, but if we had a Labour or Lib Dem government too we could’ve been up s**t creek like Europe with regards vaccines Both parties were massively critical at the Governments decision to not join the EU Vaccines scheme in July 2020 Europe’s vaccination program is a success story No really. Just look at the numbers.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 8, 2021 9:04:48 GMT 1
Few of my work colleagues have been invited to register for their vaccine and they are in their early 30's. Living in Powys as well which is always known for being slow! Can we all give a round of applause to Drakeford on this one as well please? Seems to be moving faster then England!
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Post by Minormorris64 on Apr 8, 2021 9:07:04 GMT 1
Few of my work colleagues have been invited to register for their vaccine and they are in their early 30's. Living in Powys as well which is always known for being slow! Can we all give a round of applause to Drakeford on this one as well please? Seems to be moving faster then England! Just a small matter of Population size or are you talking percentages?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 8, 2021 9:49:10 GMT 1
for europes sake i hope it is true, obviously the new guidlines for the oxford vaccine is a blow for the uk and will slow the roll out for the under 30's age group but we do have 17 million doses of moderna orderd and deliveries have started then a uk plant will be producing Novavax 60 million from june/july and valena 40 million plus ( not sure when this will start) the oxford plant produces 2 milion doses a week( although i thought i heard working 24 hours a day htey could produce 5 million. so in the medium to long term we have new vaccines coming through another uk company was at phase one of clinical trials .
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 8, 2021 10:10:39 GMT 1
for any on the board who are under 30 and are in the health field www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9446173/Covid-19-UK-Ive-AstraZeneca-jab.html"Professor Adam Finn, a member of the The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI ), said: 'We’ve not seen a single case of thrombosis after a second dose of AZ so far. So there is no evidence of a problem after the second dose."
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 8, 2021 10:34:25 GMT 1
Few of my work colleagues have been invited to register for their vaccine and they are in their early 30's. Living in Powys as well which is always known for being slow! Can we all give a round of applause to Drakeford on this one as well please? Seems to be moving faster then England! Just a small matter of Population size or are you talking percentages? Purely anecdotal as I don't think they've got to the 30's in England yet
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Post by servernaside on Apr 8, 2021 10:40:25 GMT 1
Easy, he chucked the sort of money he chucked at Trace into ordering tens of millions of unproven vaccines, luckily most actually worked. This time he came up trumps, could have been left with a lot of egg on his face. But crucially he wasn't. If it had been a different PM and a different party you would doubtless have been lauding the far-sightedness and timely investment.
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Post by servernaside on Apr 8, 2021 10:44:00 GMT 1
Few of my work colleagues have been invited to register for their vaccine and they are in their early 30's. Living in Powys as well which is always known for being slow! Can we all give a round of applause to Drakeford on this one as well please? Seems to be moving faster then England! You must be another one taken in by the almost daily briefings of Drakeford and Sturgeon, proudly telling the world how great they are when in reality they have done nothing. It is the UK government which has made everything possible. They're just a couple of jumped-up parish councillors enjoying their ten seconds of fame.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 8, 2021 11:02:52 GMT 1
Few of my work colleagues have been invited to register for their vaccine and they are in their early 30's. Living in Powys as well which is always known for being slow! Can we all give a round of applause to Drakeford on this one as well please? Seems to be moving faster then England!
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 8, 2021 11:56:47 GMT 1
Few of my work colleagues have been invited to register for their vaccine and they are in their early 30's. Living in Powys as well which is always known for being slow! Can we all give a round of applause to Drakeford on this one as well please? Seems to be moving faster then England! You must be another one taken in by the almost daily briefings of Drakeford and Sturgeon, proudly telling the world how great they are when in reality they have done nothing. It is the UK government which has made everything possible. They're just a couple of jumped-up parish councillors enjoying their ten seconds of fame. No offence but my comment was more in jest that everyone seems to hate Drakeford for his handling of the pandemic and yet it was Westminter pulling the strings all along and yet people are praising Boris.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 9, 2021 13:29:35 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Apr 9, 2021 13:45:32 GMT 1
They’re not suggesting under 30 are more susceptible to blood clots just that they are at much less at risk from Covid so balancing the slight risk of a clot over Covid doesn’t make the Astra Zeneca vaccine worth that slight risk when there’s an alternative.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 9, 2021 14:36:33 GMT 1
They’re not suggesting under 30 are more susceptible to blood clots just that they are at much less at risk from Covid so balancing the slight risk of a clot over Covid doesn’t make the Astra Zeneca vaccine worth that slight risk when there’s an alternative. At curent low levels however the goverment presentation looked at mid levels of covid and then high levels back when we were in the last wave and then the risk ratio changes to higher risk of covid death or covid related complications and lowere risk from the oxford vaccine.so as you say this change makes sense from a risk perspective and fortunently we have vaccines.
"They’re not suggesting under 30 are more susceptible to blood clots just that they are at much less at risk from Covid so balancing the slight risk of a clot over Covid doesn’t make the Astra Zeneca vaccine worth that slight risk when there’s an alternative."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 11:54:33 GMT 1
I've just been chatting with a colleague in the Republic of Ireland and the subject of jabs came up.
I said that sometimes the UK just gets it right. He is desperate to get his jab. I asked if he would take the AstraZeneca/Oxford jab and he said yes without hesitation.
This weekend could have the biggest day of jabs so far as this is 12 weeks since the end of January when the UK hit over 600,000.
The worry now is that there are some real basket cases in the World (e.g. Brazil and South Africa) that could develop new strains that could possibly lower the effectiveness of the vaccines. I know new variants can have boosters developed for them but I'd rathe not have to worry about this.
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Post by wakemanender on Apr 12, 2021 13:44:05 GMT 1
SCC at the RSH due to close for good as a vaccine centre in the next couple of weeks but the Bowls Centre in Sundorne and the International Centre in Telford will be reopening for second doses and then hopefully the younger age groups.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 12, 2021 17:02:03 GMT 1
I've just been chatting with a colleague in the Republic of Ireland and the subject of jabs came up. I said that sometimes the UK just gets it right. He is desperate to get his jab. I asked if he would take the AstraZeneca/Oxford jab and he said yes without hesitation. This weekend could have the biggest day of jabs so far as this is 12 weeks since the end of January when the UK hit over 600,000. The worry now is that there are some real basket cases in the World (e.g. Brazil and South Africa) that could develop new strains that could possibly lower the effectiveness of the vaccines. I know new variants can have boosters developed for them but I'd rathe not have to worry about this. whilst mutations are a real concern, countrys like brazil is just a breeding ground for more mutations and you would think the WHO would prioratize that country for vaccinations. on a posative note the developments in vaccines has dramatically improved and they can tweek existing vaccines in 8 weeks for any mutations that prove problamatic.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 12, 2021 17:04:36 GMT 1
my wife had her second jab at the health education center by shrewsbury hospital and they were bringing forward appointments due to low demand , she was early for hers and was in and out in a few minutes ,what was noticable was the questions about any history of blood clots which was not asked the first time.
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Post by welshshrew on Apr 12, 2021 17:22:45 GMT 1
Few of my work colleagues have been invited to register for their vaccine and they are in their early 30's. Living in Powys as well which is always known for being slow! Can we all give a round of applause to Drakeford on this one as well please? Seems to be moving faster then England! You must be another one taken in by the almost daily briefings of Drakeford and Sturgeon, proudly telling the world how great they are when in reality they have done nothing. It is the UK government which has made everything possible. They're just a couple of jumped-up parish councillors enjoying their ten seconds of fame. Simply not true. You only need to look at the fact that Wales has spent proportionately half of what England have spent on PPE and Test and Trace (and far less again in terms of the discretionary elements) to achieve slightly better outcomes, for an example of this. The availability of vaccine has been a UK Government success no question, but again rollout has been locally delivered. The ONS excess death rates also point to significantly less worse outcomes in Wales than England. Finally the Welsh gov poll much better than the UK gov on the handling of the crisis albeit the gap has narrowed due to the second part of the second wave and the aforementioned vaccine contract success.
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Post by servernaside on Apr 13, 2021 10:01:29 GMT 1
You must be another one taken in by the almost daily briefings of Drakeford and Sturgeon, proudly telling the world how great they are when in reality they have done nothing. It is the UK government which has made everything possible. They're just a couple of jumped-up parish councillors enjoying their ten seconds of fame. Simply not true. You only need to look at the fact that Wales has spent proportionately half of what England have spent on PPE and Test and Trace (and far less again in terms of the discretionary elements) to achieve slightly better outcomes, for an example of this. The availability of vaccine has been a UK Government success no question, but again rollout has been locally delivered. The ONS excess death rates also point to significantly less worse outcomes in Wales than England. Finally the Welsh gov poll much better than the UK gov on the handling of the crisis albeit the gap has narrowed due to the second part of the second wave and the aforementioned vaccine contract success. No vaccine, no rollout. All else is petty window-dressing.
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Post by welshshrew on Apr 14, 2021 6:26:36 GMT 1
Simply not true. You only need to look at the fact that Wales has spent proportionately half of what England have spent on PPE and Test and Trace (and far less again in terms of the discretionary elements) to achieve slightly better outcomes, for an example of this. The availability of vaccine has been a UK Government success no question, but again rollout has been locally delivered. The ONS excess death rates also point to significantly less worse outcomes in Wales than England. Finally the Welsh gov poll much better than the UK gov on the handling of the crisis albeit the gap has narrowed due to the second part of the second wave and the aforementioned vaccine contract success. No vaccine, no rollout. All else is petty window-dressing. My post was about more than the vaccine.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 14, 2021 7:47:43 GMT 1
Easy, he chucked the sort of money he chucked at Trace into ordering tens of millions of unproven vaccines, luckily most actually worked. This time he came up trumps, could have been left with a lot of egg on his face. But crucially he wasn't. If it had been a different PM and a different party you would doubtless have been lauding the far-sightedness and timely investment. And the EU did the very same from what I can see. Only they didn't throw enough money and they threw it in the wrong direction.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 14, 2021 7:50:39 GMT 1
Simply not true. You only need to look at the fact that Wales has spent proportionately half of what England have spent on PPE and Test and Trace (and far less again in terms of the discretionary elements) to achieve slightly better outcomes, for an example of this. The availability of vaccine has been a UK Government success no question, but again rollout has been locally delivered. The ONS excess death rates also point to significantly less worse outcomes in Wales than England. Finally the Welsh gov poll much better than the UK gov on the handling of the crisis albeit the gap has narrowed due to the second part of the second wave and the aforementioned vaccine contract success. No vaccine, no rollout. All else is petty window-dressing. Not really. You still have to manage the rollout itself. Which is also a huge task. Look to what is happening over here at the moment. As I understand it we have the vaccines available but our rollout is not yet on a par with the UK's. Just getting the vaccine in is by no means the end of the story.
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Post by servernaside on Apr 14, 2021 9:46:05 GMT 1
For any organised health system such as they have in Germany, the roll out, while a large task, is hardly ground breaking technology. Each year most European countries dispense millions of flu jabs to their elderly citizens. The problem with the EU roll-out it seems to me, has largely been adequate supply, or at least the adequate supply of an approved vaccine.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Apr 14, 2021 9:51:39 GMT 1
Anyone know if there's a similar Vaccine reserve list operating around Shrewsbury? Most of my friends have now been vaccinated in Powys due to being on the list but I can't find a similar operation in Shropshire? And unfortunately I'm registered at a GP in Shrewsbury so can't sign up to the Powys reserve list.
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Post by servernaside on Apr 14, 2021 10:12:38 GMT 1
No vaccine, no rollout. All else is petty window-dressing. My post was about more than the vaccine. See my earlier post. No vaccine, no roll-out.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 14, 2021 10:13:57 GMT 1
But crucially he wasn't. If it had been a different PM and a different party you would doubtless have been lauding the far-sightedness and timely investment. And the EU did the very same from what I can see. Only they didn't throw enough money and they threw it in the wrong direction. i was shocked at how little money the EU actually spent
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 14, 2021 10:17:02 GMT 1
Anyone know if there's a similar Vaccine reserve list operating around Shrewsbury? Most of my friends have now been vaccinated in Powys due to being on the list but I can't find a similar operation in Shropshire? And unfortunately I'm registered at a GP in Shrewsbury so can't sign up to the Powys reserve list. i phoned my GP radbrook and they said they did not have one( by a coincidence i got a text a week later) but its worth phoning your gp to see if they do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 8:34:22 GMT 1
I came across this, this morning and confirmed that the Welsh are ahead of the rest of the UK when it comes to their approach
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